Apple iPhone

[skelstar]

Apple have announced their much anticipated iPhone. Here are the specs from MacRumors site:

Hardware Features
- 3.5" Widescreen touch-sensitive display
- 11.6 mm thin
- 2 megapixel camera
- proximity sensor, accelerometer, and ambient light sensors
- Quad-band GSM/EDGE + WiFI + Bluetooth 2.0
- Battery Life: 16 hours audio, 5 hour talk/video/browse time

Software Features
- Runs version of OSX. "Full desktop-class applications"
- conference call support with up to 3 participants
- multiple SMS session support (iChat-like interface)
- Safari: first fully useable HTML browser on a phone
- "coolest photo management app ever"
- Widget support
- Yahoo IMAP mail
- Google Maps (with satellite image) integration

I think this looks shit hot. I haven't had too a hard a look at the specs etc but having a look at it on www.apple.com it looks real nice. Its Quad GSM which means it would work on the Vodafone network here (I think). I believe the prices are US$499 (4G) and US$599 (8G)...

Not interested in Apple-brand bashing on this thread thanks...I'm an Apple fan, but am posting this because its a damn good looking product.

[NighthawkNZ]

.... Machave ... MacRumors ...

I'll have a 2 Big Macs and fries, and a MacShake to go thanx... :dodge:

[sAsLEX]

Looks alright. Whats the case though, metal?

[TerminalAddict]

yup .. been there read the news ;)
macworld is today .. so lots of new goodies coming out (like @tv )

the iphone looks the bizzo, but no 3g network on it, so its gsm/gprs only, not packet switched .. so no video calling etc etc

Does have wifi tho' .. I'd use that a whole more than I would 3g

[skelstar]

Doesn't say...you'd think it would be the same case design that they use for the latest large iPods though eh?

[sAsLEX]

Doesn't say...you'd think it would be the same case design that they use for the latest large iPods though eh?

Looks too fragile as my phone normally jumps off my desk at least once a day.

[skelstar]

Whats quite cool is that I think the LCD is the same size as the PSP (3.2" although I haven't checked yet)...and they're mint!

[edit] actually scrub that, the PSP screen is 4.3".

[ManDownUnder]

Looks too fragile as my phone normally jumps off my desk at least once a day.

Stop shagging the PA at work then

[Trudes]

Sounds awesome, I'll have one!

[jrandom]

I liked Steve Jobs' comment in the keynote address that the killer app for the iPhone would be phone calls.

Cellphones, apart from the $100 bottom-end models like my Nokia 2125, have become impossible to use.

If the iPhone fixes that and still works very well as a PDA and browser, it will win bigtime.

I agree that GSM + WiFi is a good solution. It's cheap for the user, and let's face it - most of us spend most of our time bathed in the happy glow of an freely available 802.11 network, whether it be at home, work or a Starbucks in Shenzhen.

The fact that it runs full-blown OS X is also a big turnon.

If those USD prices were in NZD, I'd be very tempted to buy one.

[bugjuice]

I know what I'm trading my shitty Motorola ROKR phone now... piece-of-wanna-be-crap..

just off to the.... errr..... bathroom....

[skelstar]

Again, I haven't read the whole thing through (Im working apparently) but I dont think they address the PDA solution at all...its more iPod/iPhoto/Video/Phone fusion. I agree about the +$100 phone useability though.

[Ghost Lemur]

I want to have Steve Jobs baby.

Seriously, that thing is Sex wrapped in Sex.

[Sam I Am]

Yep totally wicked and yes its GSM so will work with Vodafone but Voadfone dont support EDGE so i dont think you will be able to use lots of fetures unless you are conected to a wifi conection

i'm still getting one as soon as i can :gob:

[jrandom]

Again, I haven't read the whole thing through (Im working apparently) but I dont think they address the PDA solution at all...

Jobs did talk about (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote) calendar, email, browsing etc. I think that qualifies as PDA. He didn't mention office suite type apps, but presumably if the device runs OS X it'll just be a matter of time before the relevant ports are done.

[skelstar]

Fair enough...I haven't seen the keynote etc. There wouldn't be many Treo/iPaq converters though I reckon.

[riffer]

USD - $499 for the 4GB, $599 for the 8GB.

But remember, that these are the prices in the USA for a 2 year plan, which commonly sees phones discounted by USD$500 or more.

I would expect that, if Vodafone carried them, that if you didn't want a plan, you may be paying $1300-$1500 NZD for them.

Nice though, to finally see that the rumours about an embedded OSX were true.

[dawnrazor]

i expect the fact that is in fact the new ipod as well as the new iphone/pda/web browser and blackberry and whatever else it'll do in the future, will ensure its place at the top of the pile of must have devices for YEARS to come...

wonder how long before it'll be available over here

[skelstar]

As soon as its on eBay? ;)...hope this is the 'way things are going'. I think the PSP will be too...in cracked firmware form its getting/could get quite useful. sort of like a universal LCD display unit. Streamed video, music etc.

[riffer]

i expect the fact that is in fact the new ipod as well as the new iphone/pda/web browser and blackberry and whatever else it'll do in the future, will ensure its place at the top of the pile of must have devices for YEARS to come...



Indeed ... wither the might Zune now? :shutup:

[Jeremy]

I'm unsure whether I'd want it more than an Nokia E70 though. Or how long the battery will last in number of recharges, a screen that size will use a lot of power. It'd really annoy me if I had to buy new batteries every few months for it, or worse still you couldn't change the battery easily.

[skelstar]

Battery:
* Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
* Up to 16 hours Audio playback

I saw more defined specs somewhere else though.

[Kendog]

Was on the TV1 6pm news, looked very very nice.

[SimJen]

Waste of time to me.
I want a phone with a decent camera built in (ie 4-5 megapixels and a decent flash) as well as small etc.
If it had one i'd get one for sure.
TV1 said it would be $900 NZD.....but I'm sure that will change.
It'll be full of all the usual quirks and copy protection of other Apple crap.

[imdying]

The ghey.
Given the quality of iPods, especially there batteries, would you want to be locked into that piece of crap for two years? That'll be fun when you go to change the battery... although like the iPod I guess you could take it to the shop and be raped in the arse again on price, or void your warranty and replace it yourself, although it took more than 2 years for decently priced kits to come out. Doesn't do anything that a PocketPC phone hasn't already been doing for year either. I wonder if it'll be like the nano and get the arse scratched out of it in a week? I wonder if that new tech touch screen will still work with a screen protecteor (one assumes so). iTunes... nuff said.

The yay
Has a HDD built in which is nice. GSM and CDMA apparently which is a bonus. I would be surprised if the usability wasn't pretty awesome though... the iPod may be an unreliable piece of crap, but damn they're nice to use when they're going :yes:


I think for me the biggest concern is the battery. iPods are notoriously shitty in the battery department, this one is small and even their quoted figures show a pretty short life... and apparently the battery is swappable (please let that rumour be wrong!).

[scracha]

Has a HDD built in which is nice. GSM and CDMA apparently which is a bonus. I
GSM & CDMA on one phone? Blimey.

Waste of time if you're out in the sticks and not getting 3G though....I can't see many people downloading video at 9600bps!!!

[imdying]

Dunno if it's in the one phone or two different versions like the iMates.

[Indiana_Jones]

i'd be too scared to buy something like that. Costs too much and I'ld always be worried about cracking the screen etc.

-Indy

[riffer]

It'll be full of all the usual quirks and copy protection of other Apple crap.

Please explain to me how Apple copy protection works 'cause I'm damned if I can find any.

Are you sure you're not confusing it with the "Plays for Sure" players or a Zune?

[Deviant Esq]

The amount of times you get Apple iPods come back to you with fiddly little issues as a retailer, means you really hate seeing someone walk through the door with an iPod in their hand and cables in the other, looking to cause trouble. It's like "here we go, another stupid iPod issue..."

Probably won't be too much different with the iPhone. And quite expensive. Bloody Apple and their brand-exposed monopoly on mp3 players... the iPods really aren't all that fantastic, but they're the only brand your average Joe recognises and the only brand average Joe's kids will be demanding, so Vodaphone NZ would be silly not to range them.

[jrandom]

Please explain to me how Apple copy protection works

I imagine he's talking about the DRM scheme on the AAC files you get from iTunes.

Personally, I don't have a problem paying for music, and I haven't yet run into the necessity of bypassing protection schemes (http://hymn-project.org/) from online services.

Although I have when it comes to actual CDs, strangely enough. I bought 'Demon Days' by Gorillaz and realised it was copy-protected. I detested the horrid software that had to be used to play it on my PC, so I un-copy-protected and re-imaged it.

Now I can listen to that CD at full quality whenever I like through my SB Audigy at work, and I can also distribute full-quality unprotected copies of it as a 'fuck you' to the publisher in recompense for the couple of hours it took me to 'fix' it.

Want one?

[skelstar]

I managed to import Demon Days in iTunes (on a Mac) without a problem...does the issue arise elsewhere?

[jrandom]

I managed to import Demon Days in iTunes (on a Mac) without a problem...does the issue arise elsewhere?

I wouldn't be surprised if iTunes was in cahoots with the copy-protection scheme on that CD, or something. Or maybe Macs are just smarterer about munged CDs.

If you pop it into a vanilla WinPC, you can't see the audio tracks on the CD to rip - it just comes up as a data CD with a horrible little player app you can run that automagically accesses the hidden music partition, or whatever it is, so that you can listen to it.

[limbimtimwim]

It runs MacOSX, and they don't get in my way, it'll be totally hackable and it will be possible to install whatever software I want on it.

Ok, compiling said software is going to ages on something like that.

I, for one, welcome our Apple iPhone overlord.

[imdying]

Yep... it's all bad. The monopolistic tendencies of Apple make Microsoft look like amateurs.

[skelstar]

Thats great, but its a good looking PRODUCT though isn't it?

[sAsLEX]

Thats great, but its a good looking PRODUCT though isn't it?

Form over Function.


I would rather a utilitarian looking thing that does what I need and doesn't fail the first time it jumps a few metres off my desk on to concrete......

[jrandom]

compiling said software is going to ages on something like that.

Dude. Cross-compilers, dude. You obviously got out of embedded systems development sometime before the 1970s...

[skelstar]

Form over Function.


I would rather a utilitarian looking thing that does what I need and doesn't fail the first time it jumps a few metres off my desk on to concrete......

Im all for function over form too. However, will you get somerhting that will do all that and fit in your pocket? Maybe they have a minimum dexterity requirement? ;)

[limbimtimwim]

Dude. Cross-compilers, dude. You obviously got out of embedded systems development sometime before the 1970s...Yeah I know, but I don't have a MacOS X box, and getting libraries and shit all at the same version and yada yada yada.. If I were to compile something for my Playstation 2 it would be done on the Playstation. And likewise the 40MHz SparcStation.. You just go watch TV or make dinner :)

[Fatjim]

Can i be a sad git too and join in the conversation? Can someone help me with all the acronyms?

[imdying]

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/10/apple_iphone_cisco1/

Hahahha, take that Jobs ya smarmy prick!

Form over function? Given that the iPod is good looking with excellent functionality that the others have been falling over themselves unsuccesfully trying to better, I seriously doubt that this will be anything but nice to use.

As for compiling on embedded devices... normally you would compile on the host and pump up the binary to the unit, no reason why that should be slow.

[sAsLEX]

Form over function? Given that the iPod is good looking with excellent functionality that the others have been falling over themselves unsuccesfully trying to better, I seriously doubt that this will be anything but nice to use.


They still wont change there form to add function that has been asked for by many such as Voice recording and FM radio, as its too hard to ensure the quality/"form" of these things .......

[imdying]

They still wont change there form to add function that has been asked for by many such as Voice recording and FM radio, as its too hard to ensure the quality/"form" of these things .......Stop and think about this... why would they? You've seen an iPod right? The dock connector at the bottom? Yeah, that's what they call proprietary. They sell the rights to be able to make things to plug into it for big money. The lack of voice recording and FM radio is a marketing thing, they could easily fit it in an iPod if they wanted to. It has absolutely nothing to do with form over function.

[sAsLEX]

Stop and think about this... why would they? You've seen an iPod right? The dock connector at the bottom? Yeah, that's what they call proprietary. They sell the rights to be able to make things to plug into it for big money. The lack of voice recording and FM radio is a marketing thing, they could easily fit it in an iPod if they wanted to. It has absolutely nothing to do with form over function.

Actually it does.

Your reason does have some basis to it.

Another is that the form of the Ipod cannot be controlled with say a FM receiver. Quality will drop according to signal strength and Ipod has no way of ensuring a decent sound from this. Hence they let other brands take the rap for poor "form" of FM .....

[jrandom]

FWIW, the lack of FM radio is the main reason I don't use an iPod. I prefer my Philips GoGear. In fact, it gets used as an FM radio the majority of the time. National Radio is actually interesting and diverting to have on while one is cycling for more than an hour at a time, which quite frankly is fucking boring otherwise.

Mmmm. Kim Hill...

[imdying]

Actually it does.

Your reason does have some basis to it.

Another is that the form of the Ipod cannot be controlled with say a FM receiver. Quality will drop according to signal strength and Ipod has no way of ensuring a decent sound from this. Hence they let other brands take the rap for poor "form" of FM .....

(said slowly)... The form, has no bearing, on the function of an iPod, with respect to missing features. Even if it had, an FM radio, a voice recorder, and an FM transmitter, the form, would not change. It would still look the same. It would still be operated the same.

Clear enough for you?

[sAsLEX]

(said slowly)... The form, has no bearing, on the function of an iPod, with respect to missing features. Even if it had, an FM radio, a voice recorder, and an FM transmitter, the form, would not change. It would still look the same. It would still be operated the same.

Clear enough for you?

oh sarcasm fun.

Silly 300 level uni paper must of been wrong.

[jrandom]

(said slowly)

That won't help you, numbnuts. He's reading this over the interweb, isn't he?

You have to type slowly.

[imdying]

Silly 300 level uni paper must of been wrong.Given the level of understanding of this simple concept, I suspect you just misinterpreted what you were supposed to studying.

[skelstar]

Aaaaannnnnyyyhooooww...theres more and more objective articles on the web now about the iphone. Coping a bit of critizism (dammit spelling) about the Cingular partnering. Will be interesting to watch...

[jrandom]

Given the level of understanding of this simple concept, I suspect you just misinterpreted what you were supposed to studying.

You're still typing too quickly.

You should make sure to pause between each word, after (not before) you hit the space bar.

See?

[sAsLEX]

Given the level of understanding of this simple concept, I suspect you just misinterpreted what you were supposed to studying.

And how poor performance of "functions" within a product can affect its "form". Not purely physical form but the iPod cool that they love.


A toaster that no longer cooks bread is not a toaster, looks like a toaster but aint. Form says its a toaster but function says it aint.

[imdying]

Aaaaannnnnyyyhooooww...theres more and more objective articles on the web now about the iphone. Coping a bit of critizism (dammit spelling) about the Cingular partnering. Will be interesting to watch...Sure be interesting to see who picks it up here... I guess we wait to see if Vodafone in Europe gets it?


You're still typing too quickly.

You should make sure to pause between each word, after (not before) you hit the space bar.

See?Ahh, I see my mistake :lol:

There's a lot of good reasons to hate on the iPods, I don't think that a lack of functionality as a result of the form however is one of them.

[jrandom]

a lot of good reasons to hate on the iPods

Name some.

[sAsLEX]

Name some.

i T u n e s .

[riffer]

Yawn. You guys don't argue very well.

Here are some much more interesting arguments both for and against the new iPhone:

roughlydrafted (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/4DD0941D-9097-4FAE-A3BB-29DA5CA07199.html)
aceshardware (http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120072973&forumid=1)
techdigest (http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/nokia_responds.html)
makezine (http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/01/iphone_we_cant.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890)

[imdying]

Name some.
We could start with battery life, and/or its ability to be readily replaced.

/edit: Be be honest, that's not totally fair, a geek with a strong consitution can change one, but mum , dad and your average kid is rooted.

[imdying]

i T u n e s .

Yeah, it is crap, but that's not really an iPod fault as such... and it's pretty easy to give that the flick. Winamp comes with nice iPod support built in now :)

[sAsLEX]

Yeah, it is crap, but that's not really an iPod fault as such... and it's pretty easy to give that the flick. Winamp comes with nice iPod support built in now :)

I buy an iPod...... how do I, with a clean install of OSX or XP, get music on to the thing?

Considering every other player on the market just appears as a USB HDD?

[imdying]

If it were me, I would install the drivers from the iPod disc, along with the iPod updater. You may or may not be able to that without installing iTunes for the duration of those tasks, you would have to try to be sure.

Once it has been 'setup' (formatted, updated etc), then you just drag n drop in winamp.

[skelstar]

iTunes works perfectly well on a Mac. Dont need to use it in HDD mode...iTunes sorts all the music for me already.

[ArcherWC]

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/68CA5FFD0B0234CACC25726000090148

Already LOL

[GR81]

i hope they both run each other into the ground !haha

damn competition!

[imdying]

Yep... it's all bad. The monopolistic tendencies of Apple make Microsoft look like amateurs.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01/12/no_third_party_apps_on_iPhone/

Steve Jobs can suck my left nut.

[kro]

I read somewhere recently that Apple don't even own the rights to use the "iPhone" name, as it officially belongs to some other crowd, who aren't giving it up easily.

Not that that actually refers to any feature or function of the iPhone, I just wanted to be part of the discussion is all....

If you are geek minded, or have more than a passing interest in Scientific stuff, I found this website (http://www.dailyrotation.com) to be the best there is for bringing all the info on the many major Science and tech websites together, with excellent little "summary" mouse-overs on each topic heading.
I understand very little of it, but it is broadening my knowledge, and some of it is downright fascinating.

[imdying]

Yep, linked twice here. Cisco own the iPhone trademark, have done for 7 odd years, and are now sueing Apple.

[phaedrus]

It runs MacOSX, and they don't get in my way, it'll be totally hackable and it will be possible to install whatever software I want on it.

Ok, compiling said software is going to ages on something like that.

I, for one, welcome our Apple iPhone overlord.

sorry but no.
I'd rather have one of these (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html)


Moreover, Mr. Jobs also appears to be restricting the potential for third-party software developers to write applications for the new handset — from ringtones to word processors.

....

“We define everything that is on the phone,” he said. “You don’t want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesn’t work anymore. These are more like iPods than they are like computers.”

[TerminalAddict]

any one else got an iPhone yet?.

I got mine yesterday

[Finn]

Cisco own the iPhone trademark, have done for 7 odd years, and are now sueing Apple.

I wonder if Cisco will get an "iSorry" from Steve Jobs.

[bugjuice]

any one else got an iPhone yet?.

I got mine yesterday
have you tried your sim card in it yet? see if it works?
everyone in the media is dead set that it won't, but I reckon it will.. sooooo wanna get one
and can i come play with it....?

[sAsLEX]

have you tried your sim card in it yet? see if it works?
everyone in the media is dead set that it won't, but I reckon it will.. sooooo wanna get one
and can i come play with it....?

Didn't a kiwi guy set up a company to onsell the "sim card adjuster thing".... technical term ...... from some Eastern block country that allows you to unlock the iPhone....

lookkeeee http://stuff.co.nz/4197170a6430.html

[judecatmad]

From the sounds of the report on TV the other night, NZers would be better off duct-taping their iPod and their existing mobile phone together. Et voila.....an instant "iPhone" that actually makes calls...LOL

[TerminalAddict]

I've got it going already .. took me about 20 minutes.

Requires windows, iTunes, and a little bravery :)

There is a dude in CHCH that does Turbo Sim cards, but I choose to go the software hack way.
Edge doesn't work (of course), but gprs data does.

[TerminalAddict]

Screenie of a few apps that I have installed

[ManDownUnder]

LOL... iPhone....

latest, newest fastest, have to get one got to get one, NEED one piece of technology whch is great except..

I don't give a poo. Got a phone, got a map, got a life. I'll leave this to the hip latte set and the wannabes that can't afford it

[skelstar]

I'll leave this to the hip latte set and the wannabes that can't afford it
Great, so why you posting here then?

Awesome Term... reckon its a great looking piece of kit!

[ManDownUnder]

Great, so why you posting here then?

Awesome Term... reckon its a great looking piece of kit!

Coz I know the Apple PR Manager for Oz... and she's good!

Yeah it's a good looker but I'm always cynical about the big budget marketing that makes "world class" anything when in fact there is better kit out there - they just have the marketing budget to conquor those that do int he market.

I offer McDonalds, Microsoft, and vhs as examples of world beating crap. Big budget - they got popular, and anything better simply didn't get market share, revenue, and the market was denied a better tool for the job.

Form <> Function. Never ever forget that.

[imdying]

Heh, I see Apple have had to slash the crap out of the pricing... that didn't take long :lol:

[skelstar]

Heh, I see Apple have had to slash the crap out of the pricing... that didn't take long :lol:
Yeah :) thought that was a little amusing. Well so long as they do it before it reaches our shores.

[sAsLEX]

Coz I know the Apple PR Manager for Oz... and she's good!

Yeah it's a good looker but I'm always cynical about the big budget marketing that makes "world class" anything when in fact there is better kit out there - they just have the marketing budget to conquor those that do int he market.

I offer McDonalds, Microsoft, and vhs as examples of world beating crap. Big budget - they got popular, and anything better simply didn't get market share, revenue, and the market was denied a better tool for the job.

Form <> Function. Never ever forget that.

Well Betamax shot itself in the foot by not supporting porn....... no technical reason but not really a marketing reason why VHS succeeded...


and you would like the current Dogbert/Dilbert marketing piss take on the Daily Dilbert

[ManDownUnder]

Well Betamax shot itself in the foot by not supporting porn....... no technical reason but not really a marketing reason why VHS succeeded


and you would like the current Dogbert/Dilbert marketing piss take on the Daily Dilbert

Oh cheers for that - that's just gone to Apple PR LOLOL! She'll love it

[caesius]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

A must read.

[skelstar]

LOL

*looks for E70 on trademe*

[TerminalAddict]

this post is brought to you by terminaladdict, and safari on an iphone :)

[imdying]

this post is brought to you by terminaladdict, and safari on an iphone :)Welcome to three years ago ;)

[TerminalAddict]

I've had tinternet on my phone for years but this browser is awesome

[imdying]

Opera mobile, Thunderhawk, Minimo...

[TerminalAddict]

is an apple zealot.

resistance is futile.

[imdying]

iPhone not to crash hot on capital letters eh... must be the awesome keyboard :rofl:

[Lil_Byte]

APPLE has been forced into an embarrassing recall of the entire first batch of its long awaited iPhone after users reported problems with its on-board toaster.

Carl Knutz, an early adopter of San Andreas, California, said his two-slot iPhone produced one raw slice of toast and one that was burnt to a cinder and inedible.

He said the problem was particularly frustrating as the iPhone’s built-in roasting oven and low fat grill “worked a treat”.

Mr Knutz said: “I was sold the iPhone as the perfect solution for satisfying all my breakfast time needs. I could read emails, surf the web, grill some bacon and do toast all at the same time with the one gadget. Well I can’t, the toast is rubbish.”

Despite the toaster glitch most users are reporting themselves delighted with the iPhone. Bobby Killitz, 23, a glasses wearer, also of San Andreas, said he had cooked an entire chicken dinner in his phone, and it had emailed him to tell him when it was ready.

Danny Kravitz, 25, the brother of a musician, said his phone had babysat his 11-month old daughter while he went to a bar and did not email him when she started crying as it knew it was nothing serious.

Even so Apple user forums are buzzing with complaints about the quality of iPhone toast and the company’s boffins are said to be working around the clock to sort the problem.

Steve Jobs has put up a personal video message on the Apple website apologising for the toaster glitch but reassuring users that it is a software issue that will be sorted soon.

Mr Jobs said: “We updated the iPhone software after all our laptops overheated and blew up but that appears to have affected the element in the toaster. Or it maybe it just needs a new washer.”

Meanwhile it has emerged that all the first batch of iPhones have also been built without any microphones being installed. This was not discovered until all of them had been sent to the shops as no one had thought to use one to make a call.

[smoky]

I had a play with Terminals iphone - I'TS COOL

I haven't seen anything as classy - ever, gets my vote
And by the way, for those of you who are Macbashing - I've had a G4 and ipod for over 5 years - no problems, never go back (at this stage anyway).

[The Pastor]

I don't see the benifit in tading in my normal old fone for one of these? Looks kinda nerdy.

Me, i prefer motorbikes _b

[Disco Dan]

They get withdrawn from being sold on trademe. Heard you can get them here form parralel imports?

Anyone going overseas?

Got to get me one of these babies...

[Kendog]

Heard you can get them here form parralel imports?


Sure can (http://paralelimported.co.nz/search.php?main_category=iPhone)

[TerminalAddict]

this guy is much cheaper
http://macdirectseller.co.nz/

[imdying]

Interesting that they can't sell them in Korea... the Koreans aren't stupid enough by Apple's marketing, and they're simply feature deficient compared to their local market phones.

/edit: not to mention the cat n mouse that's about to start: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/28/unlocked_iphones_partially_bricked_by_update/1 Too much effort for an overpriced cell phone imho.

[skelstar]

Too much effort for an overpriced cell phone imho.
Yeah yeah we get it now.

[imdying]

Yeah yeah we get it now.Ahhh, you've had some time to use one too then? :yes:

[NZsarge]

this guy is much cheaper
http://macdirectseller.co.nz/

Bugger it! I really like the look of these phones and i'm a Mac fan I guess but i'll wait until they start bringing them in officially I think, less bullshit to worry about. Btw the iPod touch looks sweet too.

[skelstar]

Ahhh, you've had some time to use one too then? :yes:
Well done.

[caesius]

Does anyone else get pissed off with people who use anything Mac thinking they're part of the master race?

[smoky]

My Mac’s white with a blue screen (blond with blue eyes).

Kind like an Aryan race

[Sam I Am]

Does anyone else get pissed off with people who use anything Mac thinking they're part of the master race?

yep i admit i like mac's but i am master of nothing.........

[jimevo]

iPhone is cool, but not that cool I reckon. It is afterall a 2.5G handset with NO video calling. Plus, the 3G coverage isn't that common in every major U.S. metropolitan cities anyway!

I had a play of the new iTouch at a local Apple store, which has most of iPhone's technology, is really really cool. The Wi-fi capability alone is worth the investment... a perfect Christmas pressie for me I think!

[NZsarge]

iPhone is cool, but not that cool I reckon. It is afterall a 2.5G handset with NO video calling. Plus, the 3G coverage isn't that common in every major U.S. metropolitan cities anyway!

I had a play of the new iTouch at a local Apple store, which has most of iPhone's technology, is really really cool. The Wi-fi capability alone is worth the investment... a perfect Christmas pressie for me I think!

Any idea of how much the iPod touch will cost?

[skelstar]

Does anyone else get pissed off with people who use anything Mac thinking they're part of the master race?
Strangely you'll find them all going out of their way to post in this thread.

[jimevo]

Any idea of how much the iPod touch will cost?

The 8GB is currently selling for $299 USD, 16GB is going for $399 USD.

Check out the link:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&node=home/ipod/ipod_touch

[gijoe1313]

Strangely you'll find them all going out of their way to post in this thread.

Must ... resist ... damn, couldn't. Had to post in this thread using my Mac :slap:

I uses a Mac 'cause I be too dumb to work out a PC :drool: Hyuk!

Meh, all is good in the world of computing .. whatever works for people. :whocares: (well I do, that's why I use a Mac :lol:) And I be shure dere be anudder thread fer all'uva this! :scratch:

[NZsarge]

The 8GB is currently selling for $299 USD, 16GB is going for $399 USD.

Check out the link:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&node=home/ipod/ipod_touch

Cheers bud.:2thumbsup

[Sam I Am]

Strangely you'll find them all going out of their way to post in this thread.

Yep we have to sing out as there aren't may of us out there :2thumbsup

[Finn]

I picked one up yesterday and it works great. I'm waiting for my new Mac to arrive before I try connecting it. Don't want to try it on my PC - kinda like sleeping with your sister...

Okay, so who's the resident iPhone expert? I have a question about updating and locking etc, etc...

[sAsLEX]

I picked one up yesterday and it works great. I'm waiting for my new Mac to arrive before I try connecting it. Don't want to try it on my PC - kinda like sleeping with your sister...

Okay, so who's the resident iPhone expert? I have a question about updating and locking etc, etc...

oh no
http://digg.com/gadgets/Dangerous_chemicals_found_in_Apple_s_iPhone

[TerminalAddict]

I picked one up yesterday and it works great. I'm waiting for my new Mac to arrive before I try connecting it. Don't want to try it on my PC - kinda like sleeping with your sister...

Okay, so who's the resident iPhone expert? I have a question about updating and locking etc, etc...

I'm the local iPhone hacker in these parts.

Don't upgrade to 1.1.1 just yet .. it can be done, but its tricky

[Finn]

I'm the local iPhone hacker in these parts.

Don't upgrade to 1.1.1 just yet .. it can be done, but its tricky

I'll wait until I have my new Mac, but when I do connect it and upgrade, will it lock. If so, can it be unlocked?

I've got 1.0.2 by the way...

[TerminalAddict]

you can connect to yer mac, and when it ask to upgrade .. just say "no thanks" ;)

You will still be able to sync with mail.app address book, iTunes, etc etc

Just don't upgrade, otherwise you'll end up with an iBrick

I'm going to give this: http://hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12863 a crack tonight

[Finn]

Cool. Let me know how you get on...

The only trouble I'm having is connecting to Wireless. I got close to smashing things last night.

[Mikkel]

I wouldn't want to waste my breath when I have other people to do the work for me:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

[imdying]

It's not all bad! They're going to open it up to developers soon. Ok, sometime. Maybe in Q2 next year. If they can figure out how to secure it. Hopefully.

[Finn]

I wouldn't want to waste my breath when I have other people to do the work for me:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

Considering an iPhone costs more than your bike (and is probably faster), I think you're just jealous.

[Mikkel]

Considering an iPhone costs more than your bike (and is probably faster), I think you're just jealous.

Good point there... not only that, it drinks more gas and is more expensive to service as well. I do doubt that an iPhone will hold it's value quite as well though and in 18 years it'll be obsolete.

Reminds me of this:

Microsoft vs General Motors (http://survivalplus.com/forward/page0004.htm)

Not even wankers would want an iPhone... the screen is too small for pr0n.

[imdying]

Give it time, it is there first phone after all. Just wait till gen 2, I have no doubt they're learning lessons left right and centre... of course, being Apple, they'll just ignore them, but we live in hope :yes:

[skelstar]

Give it time, it is there first phone after all. Just wait till gen 2, I have no doubt they're learning lessons left right and centre... of course, being Apple, they'll just ignore them, but we live in hope :yes:
I've only been in the Mac game for about 2 years, what lessons have they not learned in the past? I can only think of the Newton, and also discounting the iPhone so close to releasing it.

[Finn]

Good point there... not only that, it drinks more gas and is more expensive to service as well. I do doubt that an iPhone will hold it's value quite as well though and in 18 years it'll be obsolete.

I have a Company. Depreciation is good.

Little rant: So I want a Mac Pro as an accessory for my iPhone with a big arse screen but do you think there are any in stock? Of course not. This is NZ. None for 2 months apparently. Dick heads.

[skelstar]

Apparently the Mac Pro's are due for a model change/upgrade (term escapes me).... but yeah, they're not really that great with stock levels in NZ sometimes.

[Finn]

Apparently the Mac Pro's are due for a model change/upgrade (term escapes me).... but yeah, they're not really that great with stock levels in NZ sometimes.

Might just go for an iMac with a 24" screen. Are they any good for general use with the odd video edit etc?

[imdying]

Apparently the Mac Pro's are due for a model change/upgrade (term escapes me).... but yeah, they're not really that great with stock levels in NZ sometimes.That's a lesson they have yet to learn... they habitually bring out new or upgraded products without a whisper in advance, leaving joe bloggs who brought it a week ago with an obsolete product. My Apple friends keep an ear to the ground when they're looking to upgrade, nothing pisses them off more than finding out if they'd waited a week they'd have a got a better cpu and twice as much memory for the same money. I would've thought Finder would, but apparently not :lol:

[imdying]

Might just go for an iMac with a 24" screen. Are they any good for general use with the odd video edit etc?Don't be a fag, go the 30" Cinema display... can't be more than $3000 now? 2560x1600 res... oh yes :yes: Dell have the same monitor for $2200 at the moment, essentially the same unit inside, the Apple one has some interesting features the Dell one doesn't, and vice versa. $800 buys you a lot of white spray paint though :yes:

/edit: What does the res mean?? It means you can edit your high def home porn, in full size, and still have room for the video editing toolbars around the outside of the video. Phat.

[skelstar]

Might just go for an iMac with a 24" screen. Are they any good for general use with the odd video edit etc?
I would say so... just make sure you chuck lots of RAM in it. Find some reviews on the web if you're not sure. I'll look for some for you if you can't find any.


My Apple friends keep an ear to the ground when they're looking to upgrade, nothing pisses them off more than finding out if they'd waited a week they'd have a got a better cpu and twice as much memory for the same money.
Yeah, suppose. But the Mac Rumour mill usually gets it about right. If you do your research then you wouldn't miss out.

[Finn]

Don't be a fag, go the 30" Cinema display... can't be more than $3000 now? 2560x1600 res... oh yes :yes: Dell have the same monitor for $2200 at the moment, essentially the same unit inside, the Apple one has some interesting features the Dell one doesn't, and vice versa. $800 buys you a lot of white spray paint though :yes:

/edit: What does the res mean?? It means you can edit your high def home porn, in full size, and still have room for the video editing toolbars around the outside of the video. Phat.

Does iMac come in a 30" config?

[imdying]

I would say so... just make sure you chuck lots of RAM in it.

Yeah, suppose. But the Mac Rumour mill usually gets it about right. If you do your research then you wouldn't miss out.That's another thing that rubs me funny, what's with giving the fan boy sites the smack down?


Does iMac come in a 30" config?An iMac, doubtful, you'll probably have to buy a real one. Whatever you do though, take skelstar's advice, spend up large on RAM if you're going to be editing video, that and plenty of HDD space... video is super hungry if you're not a tidy Kiwi file system wise (i.e. shit like working files that you leave lying around, they can be quite large!)

[montsta56]

Got me a Nokia N95 Pretty much tha same feature's an more. Lov:woohoo:e It

[NighthawkNZ]

I don't use all the functions on my fone I have now... which has a few games, web, schedular, alarm, calculater, timer, stopwatch, addressbook and a few other things...

Nor did I use my PDA (which I am now selling on tardme) other than the odd time as a mp3 player. and that did more depending on the installed application and the size of the SD card.


Would I use a:
Cell phone camera very much doubt it, the quality is usually to low for anything I would need it for. Have a semi decent digital camera for that. (it has a fone attachment apparently.

Email to phone: doubt it if its that important ferking important that you need to contact me in a hurry... ferking ring me and speak to me... I have cell phone.

Phone web browser: I have better things to do... and its not that cheap. I'll wait to get home on nice big screen and broadband.

Picture viewer: nope have a 19inch LCD monitor at home to veiw them... I hate squinting...

Movie player: errr why? again have a big screen TV or monitor at home

Texting: Only cause I have to... wanna speak to me... ferking ring and speak to me.

MP3 Player on a phone: Maybe, but as long as if it doesn't just drain the battery to quick and I can call out when needed. I am also an audio snob... so the quailty of the standard mp3 even at 128-192kbps is crap. 320 at least for me but then the mp3 becomes 20 odd mb, so does it have SD card reader which is compatible with my other devices.

Address book: Not really... usually only storing the my contacts phone number not address. or any other details. I have a full on contact manager database for that.

Video Phone: I doubt it... waste a money time and effort... too use to putting phone to me ear, and not holding in front of yourself looking like a prat

Games: the odd occasion as a time waster and filling in time... heck even my PC hasn't got any games on it... including the standard windows games

GPS: Well this one I would possibly use from time to time for GeoCaching... but we have 4 GPS units around the place why buy another.

Telephone: Well it is why I bought the phone in the first place. and yes it is cheap to Txt... but I hate txting.

PDA: The other half uses her one on her Trio-phone-thingy so I will give her that... as for me no, I didn't use her old PDA, I thought I might but nope

Coffee Maker If it did I would :D

So I doubt I would use anything on the iPhone other than a phone and txting and I definately aint paying that much to do that...

[imdying]

Wait till you travel for a living... nothing like having a few episodes of your favourite show to watch when your flight is delayed for a few hours. Basically, the reason that you see no use in a device like that, is because you're not the target market.

[sAsLEX]

Got me a Nokia N95 Pretty much tha same feature's an more. Lov:woohoo:e It

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

Here is a good comparison and analytical analysis of the iPhone compared to Nokia

[Mikkel]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

Here is a good comparison and analytical analysis of the iPhone compared to Nokia

I actually did post that link a bit further up - but good on ya ;)

The run down on the one thing that PC users can do that Mac users can't is also quite interesting (Shut the fuck up!).

[skelstar]

I actually did post that link a bit further up - but good on ya ;)
Actually its already appeared in this thread at least once before your post, but good on ya ;)


The run down on the one thing that PC users can do that Mac users can't is also quite interesting (Shut the fuck up!).
Strangely, theres been just as much moaning about mac users in this thread. Might be time to change the record huh?

[imdying]

Blah blah, Mac and PC users both suck, next news flash :yawn:

How about the iPhone Nano? There has been the odd rumor... you guys think they'll make a 'girls' (something about back pockets and fine arses apparently) version of the iPhone? If so, before or after the iPhone Gen2?

[Mikkel]

Actually its already appeared in this thread at least once before your post, but good on ya ;)

I'll get me coat... :Oops:

[TerminalAddict]

Cool. Let me know how you get on...

The only trouble I'm having is connecting to Wireless. I got close to smashing things last night.

so I finally did the upgrade to day :)

took about 1.5 hours .. but all seems well, although barely any difference so far

[Blairos]

I'm the local iPhone hacker in these parts.

Don't upgrade to 1.1.1 just yet .. it can be done, but its tricky

Hi There

I have just returned from the USA this morning.

Prior to my leaving, a guy at work had an iPhone that had been JailBreaked/Unlocked on v1.0.2 - I was instantly impressed with this little piece of technology, & decided I wanted one.

So, in the USA they are now available via the Apple Stores (and online) for USD$399 +local taxes, with a maximum purchase of 2 per Customer - credit card only - more on this in a sec...

So I popped down to the Apple Store located in the Cherry Creek Mall in Denver, grabbed myself a pair of these things (after telling a white lie about how I had just moved to the USA in the previous 4 days, hence my ID was NZ etc).

I then set to work - these had v1.1.1 loaded on them, and as luck would have it, there were plenty of online resources telling you which was the best thing to do to unlock them bla bla bla...

I farked around with the first one for about 8 hours, following various instructions to the letter, then I happened across the iphonesimfree.com site.

For around $USD 60.00, they provided me with instructions on how to Jailbreak/Unlock the v1.1.1 phones - and bugger me if it didnt work first time... BIG UPS to these guys...

Simply put, you dont use a PC/Mac at all - you go thru a manual "dialling" of numbers to get into the phone - set up your WiFi, off to a URL, and away you go from there.

took all of 10 mins, and worth every cent I say...

The Itunes software should be v7.4.x - do not upgrade this if asked - also decline any request to upgrade the firmware to v1.1.2...

I have the v1.1.1 restore file too, in case I screwed up the unlock, so I could go back to out-of-box if required.

So, I ended up buying 6 of these iPhones (1 for me, one for the missus, 2 for a couple of people at work, one more "possible" sale - this guy may not have the money, and another that MAY end up on Trademe)

I note that Parallel Imported are selling these for 1100 bucks unlocked (not sure of the Firmware, its likely to be 1.0.2)

If you take into account the USD prices I paid, I would be more than happy (should I put this up on Trademe) to walk away with $900... unlocked, v1.1.1...

Now back to the purchasing experience...

The first 2 I got from Cherry Creek, went back there a couple of days later and managed to get another 2 without any questions asked.

On Friday US Time, just before i headed to the airport to come home, I went to another Apple Store to get the last 2 - then I got pulled up as their system stated I had already used this paricular credit card to buy an iPhone.

Quickly I came up with this story about how I had placed an order online, and then canceled it - that could be the reason (knowing full well it was bullshit) - they bought my "excuse" and out I walked with another 2...

Looks like AT&T up there have been getting a bit snaky with the numbers of phones sold, and number of activations actually taking place.

I read somewhere that of the 1.2 million iPhones sold in the first 3 months, up to 250,000 were not activated with AT&T - so pretty quickly they imposed these restrictions on numbers etc.

So, that was my experience last week - they are a pretty cool device these iPhones!

[TerminalAddict]

dude .. .that's like sooo last week :nya:

so you haven't upgraded to 1.1.2 yet?

[Blairos]

dude .. .that's like sooo last week :nya:

so you haven't upgraded to 1.1.2 yet?

Ha ha - naaa, not yet - will wait for the free upgrade from iphonesimfree to come out

[YellowDog]

Following years of research, Steve Jobs from Apple has annouced the latest innovation in MP3 technology. The new MP3 player is implanted into womens breasts and has been codenamed the i-boob. Apparently for many years women have been complaining that men keep looking at their breasts rather than listening to them.

[Sollyboy]

Im thinking of getting one , has any one here get one if so..

is the GPS a real gps or just a map system?
are there any hidden cost like $1 per map or somethings?
did it come with headphone in the box ,the monkey at the shop wasnt sure and couldnt open the box?
can i put a video onto hard drive and watch?
was it worth the money?
anything cool or not cool?

real answers from iphone user only please

[phaedrus]

the next innovation from apple. the iGiveup

http://www.hackaday.com/2008/07/12/igiveup-bluetooth-handset/

[Sollyboy]

Got me a Nokia N95 Pretty much tha same feature's an more. Lov:woohoo:e It

does it have GPS?

[skelstar]

Not alot of answers, so I'll just say that I believe that the GPS system they use requires the use of 3G antennaes/transmitters and I think its kinda expensive as a result. Maybe that answer will suffice until a user comes along.

Honestly, better off finding an iPhone site... too many witless comedians here mate.

[Forest]

Not alot of answers, so I'll just say that I believe that the GPS system they use requires the use of 3G antennaes/transmitters and I think its kinda expensive as a result. Maybe that answer will suffice until a user comes along.

Honestly, better off finding an iPhone site... too many witless comedians here mate.

It has a real GPS inside - but the problem with GPS is that it is fairly slow to get a lock and doesn't work so well in cities where there is often no clear line of sight.

So the iPhone first queries the cell-towers to triangulate its position. If that fails then it tries to get a signal directly from the satellites.

[Sollyboy]

It has a real GPS inside - but the problem with GPS is that it is fairly slow to get a lock and doesn't work so well in cities where there is often no clear line of sight.

So the iPhone first queries the cell-towers to triangulate its position. If that fails then it tries to get a signal directly from the satellites.

does the gps work when there is no vodafone coverage ? eg i cant make call but gps work in the bush in coromandel?

[Forest]

does the gps work when there is no vodafone coverage ? eg i cant make call but gps work in the bush in coromandel?

Yes. The iPhone 3G can get a signal directly from the GPS satellites.

But if you want to do route tracking or navigation, I'd advise you to get a proper automotive GPS.