2006 New Zealand Bike of the Year - Your Vote

[Star Insurance]

Star Insurance is sponsoring the Road Motorcycle of the Year at the Motorcycle Trader Awards and are asking KiwiBikers for your opinion.

This poll will be factored into one vote for the Bike of the Year at the Motorcycle Trader Awards.

We wish you a happy year's riding for 2007.

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[riffer]

No contest. It's the Daytona.

[nudemetalz]

No contest. It's the Daytona.

Agree there.

[ArcherWC]

Aprilia :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

[NighthawkNZ]

No contest. It's the Daytona.

I'll have to agree on that too....

[RM125king]

Yamaha R6 :first: :first: :first:

[ZeroIndex]

I'd have to say the Trumpy... what a pretty bike

[Bartman10]

I agree the Trumpy looks nice, but it's British so will probably leak a oil over the back tyre, causing an accident.

Therefore I'd have to choose the Gixxer 750.

[James Deuce]

And that's the selection?

No contest. It's none of them.

[madmal64]

Aprilia :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

Another vote for!:rockon: But I am one eyed!

[Hitcher]

Wow! Hardly a complete list. It may just as well have been restricted to the 2006 squid bike models.

What about the new FJR1300 or the all new Bandit? What about cruisers -- surely the M109R should rate a mention? Harley Davidson launched a whole new range of bikes with a new engine in 2006. Where's the Suzuki GSX600? I could go on, but hopefully my point is made.

Fazer 1000, Triumph Scrambler, BMW F800, mutter, mumble...

[James Deuce]

No one tell Hitcher the M109R is in the list.

Oops....

[Bonez]

What about cruisers -- surely the M109R should rate a mention? Have another look......

[Hitcher]

No one tell Hitcher the M109R is in the list.

I was having difficulty focusing through the foam...

But there's no way a poll like this should be used to inform a BOTY competition.

I challenge others to name the 2006 new models I've forgotten!

[Ixion]

Hm. 6 squidlies, one grand tourier, one crusier and one all rounder. Do I detect a slight bias here.

And not a Hardley in the lot.

[imdying]

GSXR750K7 is 2007 model?

I somewhat agree with Hitcher, we need a few polls, one for each 'category' (yeah, bit of pidgeonholing to do), and then one final poll with the previous winners. Bit of a mammoth task but...

[James Deuce]

I reckon the KTM and the ER6n are the only two bikes in that list that "normal" people could live with on a day to day basis.

[Bonez]

Hm. 6 squidlies, one grand tourier, one crusier and one all rounder. Do I detect a slight bias here.

And not a Hardley in the lot.Far too common I believe.

[carver]

hmm...call me partial to parallel twins, but i loved the ER6n when i rode it, its got heaps more power than my GS but feels smaller, better balanced, and just as heavy.
a bike for NZ and our roads me thinks.

[Bonez]

I reckon the KTM and the ER6n are the only two bikes in that list that "normal" people could live with on a day to day basis.


Agreed hense my vote for the ER.

[The Stranger]

May I ask, on what basis have you have chosen the bikes we may choose from?
Surely there is a criteria or reason to select these bikes, but I can't figure out the common denominator.

[carver]

I reckon the KTM and the ER6n are the only two bikes in that list that "normal" people could live with on a day to day basis.




yep, im with you there, i could see myself riding to work on the ER6, then doing a 500+k fast ride in the weekend, or a gentle tour...its a great bike

[carver]

May I ask, on what basis have you have chosen the bikes we may choose from?
Surely there is a criteria or reason to select these bikes, but I can't figure out the common denominator.

smae line up as the two wheels mag i think, they were selected by readers i think..cant quite remember though

[The Stranger]

I reckon the KTM and the ER6n are the only two bikes in that list that "normal" people could live with on a day to day basis.




Define normal.
Most normal people don't even ride a motorbike do they?

[Hitcher]

It shouldn't be too hard a task to compile a list of "new" model bikes released in 2006. And by "new" I don't mean facelifted or slightly tweaked models e.g. Suzukis with a new colour scheme and "K7" added at the end of the model descriptor.

That may produce a long list, and some sensible judging criteria should help whittle that back to an overall "winner". I agree with Jim2 that the focus should be on an accessible day-to-day bike, rather than a two-wheeled equivalent of Angelina Jolie.

[Maha]

May I ask, on what basis have you have chosen the bikes we may choose from?
Surely there is a criteria or reason to select these bikes, but I can't figure out the common denominator.

Stop being a tit and just choose one, fucken' hate to be with you in an ice-cream palour......:killingme


PS: Happy New Year Noel......:sunny:

[SimJen]

Haven't seen the K7 750 and probably neither has anyone else only the K7 1000 has been released so far....
Redo the poll if you want people to vote, this poll is inconsistent and as such should be deemed invalid.
Bike of the year should be guaged from all types/brands of bikes, not just the ones that the importers let Motorcycle trader play on.
There are plenty of other bikes that should be on the list: CBR600RR, GSX-R1000, ZX6R etc etc
Its for the Bike of the Year so the criteria for judging is always going to be weird, how can a Supersport bike be compared with a cruiser or a super tourer or even a learner bike?
I never really care for bike of the year as they mean absolutely sweet f-all to most people, as most have their own opinions of what bike is best for them.
How many bike enthusiasts buy a bike based on what an NZ magazine tells them?

[Brian d marge]

What about Royal Enfield ??? One if not the largest selling bike in Britain a year or so ago??

Stephen

[Pumba]

Well I had to vote for the Kawaka ER6 as it was the only one on the list I had a chance to ride this year

[Bonez]

The new Harley range are 2007 models. Hence the reason why they're not included I guess.

[Squeak the Rat]

Any poll like this is bound to disgruntle some punters. Buy any mag and the top lists are biased towards sportsbikes, after all that's where all the technology and money goes.

What would you rather see in a car poll, DB9's or toyota corollas?

Are these bikes the list of the awards finalists, or does each sponsor have the opportunity to nominate their own, and this is Star's list? Either way i reckon it's good to have a say regardless of how limited it is.....

:drinkup:

[disenfranchised]

I'd like to see the Triumph Speed Tripple in there, that's a beauty.

The list does seem a bit limited, are these the nominees or something?

[Star Insurance]

There is a couple of other bikes on the list which we couldn't fit on the poll as the site only allows 10 options. They are Honda Goldwing, Triumph ST 1050, Yamaha FZ1, BMW F800S. So if a mod can add these bikes it would be great

These bikes are nominated by the distributors in New Zealand.

[James Deuce]

Again, not bikes for mere mortals.

When are bike mags and bike manufacturers going to wake up to the fact that most people don't have $25-$40k to biff at a bike every year or two?

Where's the bike capable of touring two up in reasonable comfort, commuting, and going round corners in an entertaining way, for less than $15k new? The ER6n would have a stab at that, but with no fairing and little scope for adding a fly screen thanks to that headlight, touring might be a bit tiresome.

In answer to the chap who made the comment about DB9 or Corolla? Corolla's and their ilk DO win car of year awards. The Fiat Multipla won Top Gear's car of the year award in 2000. The car guys seem to get it. People want to read about what they can afford to own and run as well as the alpha dogs in each category, and they want them celebrated, not the usual desultory single page "review" that whinges about them not being as good as the flagship models.

Look at how many people own or have owned Hornet 900's in NZ for instance.

[Hitcher]

The 2006 Honda Goldwing wasn't a "new" model. Apart from the addition of an airbag, it's no different from the 2005 model.

And don't the Harley distributors get a vote or do they choose not to participate?

And adding extra choices after 57 people have already voted on the poll is a bit pointless really.

[ArcherWC]

Any poll like this is bound to disgruntle some punters. Buy any mag and the top lists are biased towards sportsbikes, after all that's where all the technology and money goes.

What would you rather see in a car poll, DB9's or toyota corollas?

Are these bikes the list of the awards finalists, or does each sponsor have the opportunity to nominate their own, and this is Star's list? Either way i reckon it's good to have a say regardless of how limited it is.....

:drinkup:

Absolutly agree

[imdying]

Hitcher, why would you like only new models in the list?

As an example, the GSXR750 hasn't changed much recently, but just keeps on winning.

[Hitcher]

Hitcher, why would you like only new models in the list?

As an example, the GSXR750 hasn't changed much recently, but just keeps on winning.

I agree with you. There are lots of "current" models (i.e. sold "new" by distributors) that have been around for years and just keep on keeping on. But this is a "Bike of the year" competition, the last word of that descriptor being the kicker. It's not a "Stood the test of time" competition.

[sels1]

[LEFT]
Where's the bike capable of touring two up in reasonable comfort, commuting, and going round corners in an entertaining way, for less than $15k new?

The Triumph ST does all that...but it is around $20K new

But I see your point

[Squeak the Rat]

If this list of bikes is not for every day people, why are sales of sportbikes so high? People buy them..... But I also agree with the sentiments of real-worldliness which is why i voted er6..... (followed if i could by ktm, then trumpy).



Where's the bike capable of touring two up in reasonable comfort, commuting, and going round corners in an entertaining way, for less than $15k new?

Good point. I'm riding it :yes:

[James Deuce]

Shhhhhhhh:shifty:

[Scouse]

Star Insurance is sponsoring the Road Motorcycle of the Year at the Motorcycle Trader Awards and are asking KiwiBikers for your opinion.

This poll will be factored into one vote for the Bike of the Year at the Motorcycle Trader Awards.

We wish you a happy year's riding for 2007.

Star Insurance
Motorcycle Insurance Only
0800 96 80002006 Triumph Speed Triple should be on your poll

[imdying]

I agree with you. There are lots of "current" models (i.e. sold "new" by distributors) that have been around for years and just keep on keeping on. But this is a "Bike of the year" competition, the last word of that descriptor being the kicker. It's not a "Stood the test of time" competition.Hmmm. I do see what you're getting at, but I wouldn't want to rule out a bike that is an 05 model if it's still the best bike of the year, even if it was designed and first sold last year. Know what I mean?

[Indiana_Jones]

Daytona hands down.

1. I like Triumphs

2. It is good. Took them some time to get there, but they have work very hard on this machine.

-Indy

[Maha]

Daytona hands down.

1. I like Triumphs


Im keen on the 06' Daytona 955i as my next bike.....$17K is a good price...:yes:

[Trudes]

My bike is the best bike.:nya: Look at it just sitting there saying "I'm a sexy bitch" and practical too! Even the hubby's is pretty cool too.

[Swoop]

They had this battle on telly a while back...

The Honda Cub!!!!!:rockon:

[MD]

There is a couple of other bikes on the list which we couldn't fit on the poll as the site only allows 10 options. They are Honda Goldwing, Triumph ST 1050, Yamaha FZ1, BMW F800S. So if a mod can add these bikes it would be great

These bikes are nominated by the distributors in New Zealand.

Argh! Don't add the F800S NOW that I've spent my penny and voted on the triumph. Irrespective of what I have I would have voted for whatever is substantially new and innovative. Hence the 675 and BMW F800 which are both out of left field, achieved stylish looks while still being very functional in terms of their design brief. Others are just minor tweaks on a long running theme.
Polls are great. You can erect tents on them, kick out politicians with them and see their country when in Europe. Or argue over them.

[MD]

Here you are Hitcher, just for you,
Bike most liked by Hitcher;
1. Yamaha FJR1300
2. Yamaha FJR1300
3. Yamaha FJR1300
4. Yamaha FJR1300

That should be enough for a diverse result.

[Ixion]

What about the Buell?

[RantyDave]

Where's the bike capable of touring two up in reasonable comfort, commuting, and going round corners in an entertaining way, for less than $15k new? The ER6n would have a stab at that, but with no fairing and little scope for adding a fly screen thanks to that headlight, touring might be a bit tiresome.
So get the faired version. Isn't the half faired SV1000 remarkably cheap these days too? I believe something called a Z750 can be called into action if necessary as well.

Dave

[James Deuce]

None of which are in the poll. Get my drift?

There's carry over models in the poll too, so that lot DO qualify.

[Indiana_Jones]

Im keen on the 06' Daytona 955i as my next bike.....$17K is a good price...:yes:

I was looking at getting a 2003ish 955i for when I got my full.

Also, are they still making them?

Cause' I can't find any pages on them on the Triumph site, there used to be a page for it, but seems to have gone.

I know that they had a few recalls I belive for the 06' Daytona? but yeah, I hope they don't stop. fingers crossed they might be improving it :D

-Indy

[Maha]

Have a look at this.....Its in the South Island and i want it....:yes:

http://proxy.tcimages.net/DisplayImage.aspx?PD=12397277&S=IS

[Maha]

Or this one?.....for you Indy....its in the Naki........$13,495

http://proxy.tcimages.net/DisplayImage.aspx?PD=9749000&S=IS

[Fatjim]

. Hence the 675 and BMW F800 which are both out of left field, achieved stylish looks while still being very functional in terms of their design brief.
The F800 Stylish?? It's got about as much style as the zit growing happily on my left arse cheek right now.

[Big Dog]

I agree with Jim2 that the focus should be on an accessible day-to-day bike, rather than a two-wheeled equivalent of Angelina Jolie.

I dunno, Angelina would make a good daily rider.

[James Deuce]

Ms Jolie is the feminine equivalent of a Ducati - too much maintenance.

[Big Dog]

Well I never thought I would see the day that there would be a BOTY poll that would only contain bikes I would hesitate to buy.
The only ones that tick all the boxes in my mind are the Aprillia and the k7 750.
K7 disqualified leaves only the Aprillia.
The K14 meets all of the physical needs but lacks any personality.

[Big Dog]

Ms Jolie is the feminine equivalent of a Ducati - too much maintenance.


Better sucked dry than never lived.....

If you want reliable and only needs servicing 40,000+ goes get a Toyota.

[James Deuce]

Hahahaha, it's all in the lips.

[justsomeguy]

How many of you have ridden the 675?? It's a fucking boring thing....

Gixxer750 all the way!!!!!

Categorise the bikes.... it's rare that a person will look at Boulevard or a CBR1000RR while deciding to buy only one bike.

[MD]

The F800 Stylish?? It's got about as much style as the zit growing happily on my left arse cheek right now.

So long as the zit is 'happy' that's all that counts.

[Hitcher]

Bike most liked by Hitcher;
1. Yamaha FJR1300
2. Yamaha FJR1300
3. Yamaha FJR1300
4. Yamaha FJR1300

OK then, next time we meet, you are going to take it for a ride. Only then will you appreciate the full extent of my objectivity.

[madandy]

Trumpet 675=beautiful:yes:
KTM=most relevant in NZ back roads...

Can I have both please?

[Nicksta]

dude..... GSXR750 all the way......
and that goes for Bruce's vote too... he talked often of the latest 750, and parking it in his garage one day....

[orangeback]

it will be

[terbang]

2006 Triumph Speed Triple should be on your poll

Jeez man, you been on the curries again..? Oh yeah and I reckon the S/Triple should be there too.

[Quasievil]

Only one bike on the list of options has truly broken the barriers the rest are mostly anoher model slightly better than the previous, mostly in the same mould.
The ZX14 is New and from the start is a brilliant sports bike as well as a hyper tourer, it has out of the box enabled HP unfound in other new bikes
It is a brilliant handling bike, Fast as hell and comfortable, it caters for everything in one, and its a new bike model.
The others are yeah sure great bikes, but nothing new here!!

ZX14 Without a doubt

[The_Dover]

fuck off.

GSXR1000 every year.

[imdying]

ZX14 Without a doubtFunny, all the bike mags reckon it's a disappointment with insufficient bottom end.

[riffer]

How many of you have ridden the 675?? It's a fucking boring thing...

Get real. I've ridden the 675. I don't think I'd ever get sick of that induction roar.

The gixxer is a nice bike but its not really that different to the previous one. Whereas I believe the 675 completely moved the bar for a middleweight sprotsbike.

[justsomeguy]

I don't think I'd ever get sick of that induction roar.

How bout the power delivery?

[The_Dover]

Get real. I've ridden the 675. I don't think I'd ever get sick of that induction roar.

The gixxer is a nice bike but its not really that different to the previous one. Whereas I believe the 675 completely moved the bar for a middleweight sprotsbike.

Sorry mate, you don't know what the fuck you're on about.

675 induction roar? nothing on the 750 on a wide open throttle

750K5 and 750K6 not much different? they're a fucking world apart.

yes, I've ridden all three.

[imdying]

the 675 completely moved the bar for a middleweight sprotsbike.That would be the new R6 that you're thinking of there... The 675 is a slow ugly whale in comparison, but then again, everything is...

[quackquack]

I would say the ER-6 just because it is probley the best all round bike. The honda for best sports bike

[Quasievil]

Funny, all the bike mags reckon it's a disappointment with insufficient bottom end.

Not all the mags I read, do you know how much torque this produces? it has heaps of bottom end, the bike however does have a restriction under 4500rpm this is so its not to much of a handful for the masses, I have put in a OEM T.R.E to override this and it has more pull low end than a 16 year old schoolboy at the playboy mansion, 9.14 sec quarter mile out of the box is a good result for the power curves.
its a winner

the suzuki's , whilst a good bike they are just another one in a boring line up with nothing particulary fantastic about it, certainly nothing amazing enough to be a bike of the year.

Bike of the year should be something new and inspiring, the 14 is all of this and more, handling like a 600, awesome looks, power of a 747 with comfort to boot, what else is there exactly:dodge:

[imdying]

handling like a 600Your dillusions get funnier by the minute :rofl:

[imdying]

handling like a 1989 CBR600Oh, my mistake, I misread your post and I apologise. :innocent:

[SimJen]

Oh, my mistake, I misread your post and I apologise. :innocent:

Nice. Haha,
Quasi, are you serious?.....if you are you need a doctors appointment ;) or a trip to Henry Bennet's :yes:
ZX14 is a great bike for sure (performance wise), personally I hate the look of it - to me it looks far too big and bulky and the front end looks like something from the 90's.
But everyone to their own.

[Toast]

From that crowd, gotta be the Daytona, for taking it to the establishment, and winning.

[inlinefour]

rather limited choices there, so I chose the one Id want to most ride, even if its a Suzuki...
Bit hard to compare different cc ratings for me, especially being a 600cc supporter and ex rider Still think the 07 CBR600RR is the best, however the Fireblade was a real dog in the 05, hope they have got their act together...

[imdying]

personally I hate the look of it - to me it looks far too big and bulky and the front end looks like something from the 90's.Sir, I take offence to that. :nono: The George Foreman Grill is the best looking things in my kitchen after my wife!


Ok ok, you're right, I just had the word... the 90s called and they want their RF900 fairing back :scooter:

[Quasievil]

Your dillusions get funnier by the minute :rofl:

Not dillusions at all, Ive pretty much steped of a 600 ZXR 2006 and on to a ZX14 , I think the ZX14 is very close to the handling of a 600, it is extremely nimble light and agile, I speak from actual experience having owned a 600 and a ZX14, the ZX14 feels very planted in the tight twisties even more so than most bikes I have ridden.
The actual wheelbase is something like 10mm longer than the ZX10, it is not actually a very big bike at all, 215kg , with the new light two bros pipes it would be nearer 200kg now and with the geometry and power it is exceptional in the handling department, surprisingly so.
Go ride one and get an informed opinion :yes:

[sAsLEX]

what else is there exactly

<img src=http://www.saltoninc.com/images/products/foreman/gforeman.jpg>

you missed a point......

[Mrs Busa Pete]

and witch one off these was made in new zealand to be the nz bike of the year as apposed to the jap or brit or italian bike of the year
ANY WAY WHERE IS THE BUSA OR IS THAT JUST BIKE OFF THE CENTURY:first: :first: :first: :first: :first:

[grego]

Again, not bikes for mere mortals.

When are bike mags and bike manufacturers going to wake up to the fact that most people don't have $25-$40k to biff at a bike every year or two?

Where's the bike capable of touring two up in reasonable comfort, commuting, and going round corners in an entertaining way, for less than $15k new? The ER6n would have a stab at that, but with no fairing and little scope for adding a fly screen thanks to that headlight, touring might be a bit tiresome.

In answer to the chap who made the comment about DB9 or Corolla? Corolla's and their ilk DO win car of year awards. The Fiat Multipla won Top Gear's car of the year award in 2000. The car guys seem to get it. People want to read about what they can afford to own and run as well as the alpha dogs in each category, and they want them celebrated, not the usual desultory single page "review" that whinges about them not being as good as the flagship models.

Look at how many people own or have owned Hornet 900's in NZ for instance.




Actually I am surprised just how easy it is to sit upright on the Er6n and sometimes I wonder where the wind goes.
I remember testdriving a Kawasaki 650W and from 120mkh upwards it was a bastard to hang on. I had the Er6n up to (indicated) 185kmh and still was ok. (closed road officer) I think one could happyly cruise at 140 the whole day with either a Givi or the optional Kawasaki screen.
BUT: pretty it aint !!!!!!!

[Dodgyiti]

I have only ridden 3 on the list so it had to be one of those. Has anybody been on all listed?
Now that opinoin I would like to hear

[MVnut]

So.......why didn't you include the best bike in your Poll.......MV1000R:yes:

[James Deuce]

Actually I am surprised just how easy it is to sit upright on the Er6n and sometimes I wonder where the wind goes.
I remember testdriving a Kawasaki 650W and from 120mkh upwards it was a bastard to hang on. I had the Er6n up to (indicated) 185kmh and still was ok. (closed road officer) I think one could happyly cruise at 140 the whole day with either a Givi or the optional Kawasaki screen.
BUT: pretty it aint !!!!!!!

I wasn't talking about the ER6. I was talking about the bikes listed in the post immediately prior to the post of mine you quoted that had been left out of the poll. I had also already made the comment that the Er6 and KTM were the only bikes in the poll that "normal" folk could live with as transport.

The ER6 is the token "affordable" bike in a poll of rich bastard's bikes.

[Quasievil]

http://www.saltoninc.com/images/products/foreman/gforeman.jpg

you missed a point......

BIG BLACK AND A WORLD CHAMP, OH AND MEAN ???????

[Finn]

however the Fireblade was a real dog in the 05

Nothing wrong with a real dog mate. The Fireblade is a Rottweiler, not that fast but sure footed. A pedigree you wouldn't mess with or it will bite you and hard. The GSXR1000 is an inbred pitbull. Very aggressive, typically owned by mongrels and is often put down.

[beyond]

Again, not bikes for mere mortals.

When are bike mags and bike manufacturers going to wake up to the fact that most people don't have $25-$40k to biff at a bike every year or two?

Where's the bike capable of touring two up in reasonable comfort, commuting, and going round corners in an entertaining way, for less than $15k new? The ER6n would have a stab at that, but with no fairing and little scope for adding a fly screen thanks to that headlight, touring might be a bit tiresome.




Well, the GSX1400 fits the bill perfectly. Less than 15g's new, a lot of bike for the money, way under rated.... Ok, so no fairing but at least you know you are doing the speeds you are actually doing and did I mention it's heaps of fun with heaps of torque, comfortable solo and two up, thrives on the twisties and.........

Oh, it's not on the list. :( :( I'll get my coat on the way out. :)

[Indiana_Jones]

Well, the GSX1400 fits the bill perfectly. Less than 15g's new, a lot of bike for the money, way under rated.... Ok, so no fairing but at least you know you are doing the speeds you are actually doing...

Tell the truth, while working on my CB750F model, I've kinda gone of fairings a little bit, I like it how you get to show off the engine :D

-Indy

[Big Dave]

Triumph Scrambler was my favourite bike - by a considerable margin.

[Indiana_Jones]

Triumph Scrambler was my favourite bike - by a considerable margin.

The scrambler looks mint :D

but I think I'd still get a Bonnie over it, and the sixty8 range of mods is mint :love:

-Indy

[James Deuce]

Well, the GSX1400 fits the bill perfectly. Less than 15g's new, a lot of bike for the money, way under rated.... Ok, so no fairing but at least you know you are doing the speeds you are actually doing and did I mention it's heaps of fun with heaps of torque, comfortable solo and two up, thrives on the twisties and.........

Oh, it's not on the list. :( :( I'll get my coat on the way out. :)

Exactly my point. Brilliant real world bike. But no WSBK, WSS, or MotoGP kudos so it's not on the radar.

[inlinefour]

Nothing wrong with a real dog mate. The Fireblade is a Rottweiler, not that fast but sure footed. A pedigree you wouldn't mess with or it will bite you and hard. The GSXR1000 is an inbred pitbull. Very aggressive, typically owned by mongrels and is often put down.

Now ain't that the truth!

Must have a minature rotty f/s then... :shit:

[Big Dave]

If it was 'best bike ever':
http://www.davidcohen.co.nz

[N4CR]

'06 zx10r ftw. what about the new rs125? rocket 3 etc etc etc. so many bikes could be on that list but you don't see them.

harleys havn't really changed in 45 years. did the new engine have watercooling and no pushrods or something or did they actually put 4 valves per cylinder. lmao. vrod engine was the only decent change and decent thing they have done for years, even so...

'new hardly 2029' "lolz we put more chrome on it and some stock tassles, thats new right?>???". jesus they look so plastic and crappy hyosh1tta styles now, old harleys are much better to look at than the new harleys.

[jetboy]

No Hyosung SB50 Super Cab then? Well thats my vote lost....