ZX7R Vs ZX10R

[-df-]

Well, I've been thinking of upgrading my ZX7R and decided to take a 2004 ZX10R for a test ride to see how it went and figured I might as well let people know how it went if they are also thinking of the same thing.

Straight line performance:
Ok...lets not kid our selves, the difference is "HOLY SHIT"....period. 150hp at the wheel vs 100-110hp at the wheel, its huge! The 7R will pull fine from 4k upwards, and really come into its own at around 8k+ where the 10R will pull from 2.5-3k fine and then SCREAMS to the redline (not that I took it all the way, front wheel was in the air at 120km/h even with all my wieght over the front handle bars). Strangly though, the "pull" factor of the bikes felt the same, I didnt get back on my bike thinking damn this is a slow POS. I was rather surprised, the difference came when you looked at the speedo and realised you were at about 2/3s the speed of the 10R.

Handling:
Note: I didn't push the 10R all the way as I was test riding a bike with a $2500 excess!!
The 10R felt alot more unstable then the 7R, this I guess is because its alot lighter of a bike, and the one I rode had VERY hard suspension and seemed to jump all over the place...even in a straight line on the motorway...lets just say I took it to a very nice pace of speed (fastest I've ever gone on the 7R) and dropped nuts, not from the speed, but becuase I swear I felt like I was going to get thrown from the bike (note its windy today and had cross wind, although riding my 7R home I felt fine on the M/W). With saying this, I'd be a LOT happier taking my 7R faster around courners (and its still not setup for my wieght/driving style).
The 10R felt more "flickable" around the courners and would be happier changing direction on that bike more then mine, but then knowing how to ride the 7R I think I could flick it just as well...but would take more time to get it right then on the 10R...but when done right I think the 7R would just do that part better, waybe the weight actually helps once you have a dedicated line to follow around a courner...not sure on this one.

Riding position:
I like the 7R alot more then the 10R, maybe its just because I'm used to my bike, I can't really say...everyone is different in this so its a make your own mind up I guess.

Instrument panel:
REALLY dont like the 2004 panel, rev counter sucks, can't easily see what you are doing when going hard...although I love the digital speedo. Again, personal preference, where the 7R has the tried and true analogue rev/speed that you can't go wrong with.

Looks:
I love the look of the 7R, its the main reason I purchased my bike...So I'm totally biased on this one and wont go any further :dodge:

over all, I think I want a 7R with the power of the 10R as I enjoyed the ride home alot more on the 7 then the 10, but missed looking down at the speedo thinking to myself...:bye: :bye: License after a small twist of the throttle.

Thats about it I think, I'll add more if I have forgotten anything.

Cheers for reading the long post :sunny:

[kiwifruit]

good review :sunny:
they do give the feeling of "im gonna spit you off in a sec", but some people like that :scooter:

[-df-]

good review :sunny:
they do give the feeling of "im gonna spit you off in a sec", but some people like that :scooter:

Do you mean that in a straight line performance way or a cournering way? Just wondering what you ment exactly

Cheers.

[kiwifruit]

Do you mean that in a straight line performance way or a cournering way? Just wondering what you ment exactly

Cheers.

i mean at high speeds,
my gsxr1000 felt much more stable at say 280kmh, the zx10r feels like its flying

they are less stable cornering too, more of a knife edge ride

[-df-]

i mean at high speeds,
my gsxr1000 felt much more stable at say 280kmh, the zx10r feels like its flying

they are less stable cornering too, more of a knife edge ride

Ahhh, fair enough...I guess I like my ride nice and smooth at high speeds...although my backpack wasn't helping as it felt like it was half pulling my off the bike (although get that with the 7 as well) :shit: .

Also, something I forgot. The wind protection onto the face is a lot less on the 10R, but thats just because it has a smaller screen (well, I presume so anyway)...again, nothing that would turn me off the bike as it was the most fun I've had in a long time!!

[saul]

i mean at high speeds,
my gsxr1000 felt much more stable at say 280kmh, the zx10r feels like its flying

they are less stable cornering too, more of a knife edge ride

Ha that is flying lol:innocent: :yes:

[kiwifruit]

just guessing saul, wouldn't REALLY know

[Karma]

Can't really compare the two as they are totally different, the 7r is a total whale, over weight for it's power, whereas the 10r is a lot smaller and nible.

Chalk and cheese really.

[-df-]

Can't really compare the two as they are totally different, the 7r is a total whale, over weight for it's power, whereas the 10r is a lot smaller and nible.

Chalk and cheese really.

Not really, it shows the evolution of Kawasaki's race bikes over the years.

[SPman]

just guessing saul, wouldn't REALLY know

:whistle:......................

[N4CR]

i have pretty much same feedback after riding a modded 7r. my shocks were way too hard stock on teh 10r and it bounced around everywhere too made the 7r feel more planted. remember the 7r is renowned for having one of the best front ends ever.. so damn planted. i've got shocks almost right now but they are a tad too soft now.. balancing act. the 7r feels like a joke with power now.. hahahaha. can ride the 10 round in 6th everywhere pulling 2 up 34kmh and acceling up a steep hill nuff said, 7r ya clunking around the box all the time :/

[R6_kid]

gremlin rides a 7R, thats reason enough for me to go for the 10R, just gotta get my 04 back off of kiwifruit.

[Clivoris]

df. Performance Bike Magazine have recently run a series of articles on upgrading a ZX7R. If you have the money some serious improvements are possible.



they do give the feeling of "im gonna spit you off in a sec", but some people like that :scooter:

Aaah. Reminds me of an old girlfriend. Didn't like me talking about how hot her sister was.

[Karma]

df. Performance Bike Magazine have recently run a series of articles on upgrading a ZX7R. If you have the money some serious improvements are possible.

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Have you called Jenny yet?

[-df-]

df. Performance Bike Magazine have recently run a series of articles on upgrading a ZX7R. If you have the money some serious improvements are possible.

Do you have an online link to these articles? or the issue number?

I'd probably be better off either getting a ZX7RR as I've read those engines can make some nice power with a few mods or putting a ZX9R engine in.



Have you called Jenny yet?

I think the weight is half the reason the bike handles so well around courners, you just have to know how to throw the bike around...Why would I want it to lose any weight?? As I said before, I want a ZX7R with the power of a 10R...now thats a bike I'd be keeping for a long time.

[Karma]

I've just upgraded to the gixxer k1 thousand, it's easily as big as the 7r, but has a shedload more power.

I have seen a 700 bored out to 900 cc, but personally once the carbs start getting that big it can be a pain in the ass, I used to have to use choke and that all the time on my 4r, but never have to on the gix.

[Clivoris]

Do you have an online link to these articles? or the issue number?


Sorry mate. I scab them from the Welly Library. They were around the middle of last year though.

[Paulus]

I rode an 04 ZX-10R myself a few weeks back. It was strong but certainly didn't pop the front up at 120kph with me on board. In fact it actually felt a little slow through the midrange compared to my 98 R1 (several roll on tests have confirmed this). It did have a noticeably stronger top end pull however.

The front brakes were some weird two stage affair with very little and then suddenly lots of power. Has anyone else noticed this?

I felt you sat up on top of the bike rather than in it. The pegs were very high. Suspension action was pretty harsh. Handling was quick and skittery - again very like the old R1.

I liked it a lot but I no longer feel the strong urge to upgrade my current bike (just as well as I've just bought a new car). I felt that it wasn't as big of an improvement as I had been led to believe by all the magazine reviews. Still a great bike though. Pity about what they did to the styling in 06.

[-df-]

I rode an 04 ZX-10R myself a few weeks back. It was strong but certainly didn't pop the front up at 120kph with me on board. In fact it actually felt a little slow through the midrange compared to my 98 R1 (several roll on tests have confirmed this). It did have a noticeably stronger top end pull however.

The front brakes were some weird two stage affair with very little and then suddenly lots of power. Has anyone else noticed this?

I felt you sat up on top of the bike rather than in it. The pegs were very high. Suspension action was pretty harsh. Handling was quick and skittery - again very like the old R1.

I liked it a lot but I no longer feel the strong urge to upgrade my current bike (just as well as I've just bought a new car). I felt that it wasn't as big of an improvement as I had been led to believe by all the magazine reviews. Still a great bike though. Pity about what they did to the styling in 06.

the 120km/h was in first with just wind back on throttle from 50km/h and weight over the handle bars (110kg I might add....time for a run me thinks)...this one definatly lifted the front very easy...pretty sure it was standard as well.

The brakes was something else I forgot to mention, I did notice they seemed to be just on, or very on...didn't put much thought into it until you said that...figured I just wasnt' used to it

Riding position is exactly as you said, definatly sitting on the bike rather then in it.

[kiwifruit]

Pity about what they did to the styling in 06.

BOOOYAH!

i agree

[Karma]

Wheelies
All litre bikes have the potential to wheelie, just some do it easier than others

Seating
Depends what you're looking for really... seems bikes are now following the fashion world and starting to get bikes looking slightly anorexic, not my style or that comfy for a guy my size, so in this case a slightly older bike, being a bit bigger, might suit you better, the loss of power would be negligable really.

[Matt Bleck]

Pity about what they did to the styling in 06.
BOOOYAH!

i agree


you guys just got no class!!

[deeknow]

I'd probably be better off either getting a ZX7RR as I've read those engines can make some nice power with a few mods or putting a ZX9R engine in.

not really much point in swapping for a ZX7RR, there really arent that many differences, the ZX9 powerplant option tho seems popular, I thought about it for awhile when I had my ZX7R, check these articles out if you havent already...

* http://homepage.ntlworld.com/webzxr/zxr750r/Features/sigvart.html
* http://homepage.ntlworld.com/webzxr/zxr750r/Features/skydork.html
* http://www.brgracing.com/zx7-9.html

oh, and you might be interested in my wiki where I've kept notes on the various teams and riders who competed on the RR over the years...

* http://www.deeknow.com/wiki/view.pl/KIndex

[T.W.R]

[QUOTE=deeknow;893926]not really much point in swapping for a ZX7RR, there really arent that many differences, the ZX9 powerplant option tho seems popular.

There are enough differences between a std ZX7R & a RR WSB homoligin special to be really noticable :yes:

ZX9 repowers have been happening for years (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25509&d=1139191479)

[deeknow]

There are enough differences between a std ZX7R & a RR WSB homoligin special to be really noticable :yes:

Ahhh, not as far as the powerplant goes, which is what I think he's looking to improve. Other than uprated flatside carbs on the RR (from 39 to 41mm) I don't think there was any diff powerplant wise (tho I guess the close-ratio box would also help w performance, either that or the el-cheapo slip in a smaller front sprog option which is what I did to mine :-)

[Damon]

Do you have an online link to these articles? or the issue number?


I think i have that issue at home, i'll have a look and PDF it if i can find it

[DMNTD]

you guys just got no class!!
Bloody oats!! Ok the standard cans look "average" but I sorted that good 'n proper :yes
As you were....:

[-df-]

I think i have that issue at home, i'll have a look and PDF it if i can find it

That would be awesome if you could

[redr1]

I still think the ZX7 is 1 of the most beautiful bikes around. Wish Kwaka had continued its development like Suzuki did with the GSXR750. I test rode an 06 ZX10 and in standard suspension setting, the rear was way too hard for mean and I am quite light. The back would skip out in corners over the smallest bump. Easily adjusted though. Also found the low rpm response not quite as good as the GSXR1000, CBR or R1. Good top end.

[N4CR]

i still think the zx7 is 1 of the most beautiful bikes around. wish kwaka had continued its development like suzuki did with the gsxr750. i test rode an 06 zx10 and in standard suspension setting, the rear was way too hard for mean and i am quite light. the back would skip out in corners over the smallest bump. easily adjusted though. also found the low rpm response not quite as good as the gsxr1000, cbr or r1. good top end.

get rid of the secondary throttle valves on the 10r with a pc3r or just take them out and remap with pc3 to avoid hazardous af ratios and you'll be a'sh1ttin yaself down low. the zx14 makes +20ft/lbs and +10hp more at 3krpm or so with them removed. nuff said.

[-df-]

I still think the ZX7 is 1 of the most beautiful bikes around. Wish Kwaka had continued its development like Suzuki did with the GSXR750.

I'd have to agree with you there, my second (probably only because I've loved the look of the 7R for so long) favourite looking bike is the one in your garage...the 2004 onwards R1 is a damn sexy bike.

Might have to test ride one of them as well and see how she goes.

[Paulus]

I'd have to agree with you there, my second (probably only because I've loved the look of the 7R for so long) favourite looking bike is the one in your garage...the 2004 onwards R1 is a damn sexy bike.

Might have to test ride one of them as well and see how she goes.

Compared to the ZX-10R the word I'd use for the 04+ R1 would be refined. It does everything well but is a tad less exciting to ride than the Kwacka (I rode an 06 R1 back to back with the 04 ZX-10R). Deceptively fast.

[-df-]

just wondering as I never took it all the way in first gear, but what speed are you redlining the 10R in first? cause at 5k it was doing 70ish km/h...which means something like 150-160km/h...

Was this bike just geared high or is that what they actually do?

[N4CR]

just wondering as i never took it all the way in first gear, but what speed are you redlining the 10r in first? cause at 5k it was doing 70ish km/h...which means something like 150-160km/h...

was this bike just geared high or is that what they actually do?

'06 does 165 bouncing off the limiter

[redr1]

I'd have to agree with you there, my second (probably only because I've loved the look of the 7R for so long) favourite looking bike is the one in your garage...the 2004 onwards R1 is a damn sexy bike.

Might have to test ride one of them as well and see how she goes.

I have to say the R1 has exceptional handling and good all round performance. My rear suspension is set hard, but it does not skitter like the ZX10 and thats testing both on Metzeler Sportec M1s. I can give it full power out of fast corners and it handles it well, even with a bumpy road. It also seems to carry faster corner speed which really shows in sweeping corners. I reckon it will give the new 600s a good run for their money in the twisties.

[Paulus]

I have to say the R1 has exceptional handling and good all round performance. My rear suspension is set hard, but it does not skitter like the ZX10 and thats testing both on Metzeler Sportec M1s. I can give it full power out of fast corners and it handles it well, even with a bumpy road. It also seems to carry faster corner speed which really shows in sweeping corners. I reckon it will give the new 600s a good run for their money in the twisties.

I noticed this too. Performance in bumpy corners was way better than my old R1.

[crash harry]

Do you have an online link to these articles? or the issue number?

I'd probably be better off either getting a ZX7RR as I've read those engines can make some nice power with a few mods or putting a ZX9R engine in.


I think the weight is half the reason the bike handles so well around courners, you just have to know how to throw the bike around...Why would I want it to lose any weight?? As I said before, I want a ZX7R with the power of a 10R...now thats a bike I'd be keeping for a long time.

What you want is a 9R then... maybe not quite the stonk of the 10R, but close, and similar weight to the 7R. I love my 9R, best handling bike (for my big fat arse anyway) that I've ridden. I know what you mean about it feeling more planted in the corners, I feel the same way about the 9R vs the 'busa.

[-df-]

What you want is a 9R then... maybe not quite the stonk of the 10R, but close, and similar weight to the 7R. I love my 9R, best handling bike (for my big fat arse anyway) that I've ridden. I know what you mean about it feeling more planted in the corners, I feel the same way about the 9R vs the 'busa.

Never been a big fan of the looks of the 9R, they are a nice bike, but I just love the looks of my 7R...I just need your engine...wana swap? :done:

[speed63]

good review:yes:

what you have with comparisons - test rides is the attachment/comfort you have with your own bike that influences your view. i had a c1 9r and loved it. spent $$$ on it.
took the plunge and upgraded to 05 10r. takes awhile to get used to the change. the whole package.

the 10r does feel nervous on the road. i like it as you never get bored. it comes into its own on the track(MasterBike). i have sorted mine now with a lot of tweaking. there is no comparison to the 9r. there is a 10 year technology difference between them.:rockon:

[Gremlin]

7r. Most one has been bored to, to my knowledge, is about 1024cc. 9r transplant is common. Other common ones are the crank from an earlier model, about 793cc, or the big bore kit, around 810cc I think. Really comes down to how much you want to spend, as you really can spend shitloads modifying the bike.

Compared to a 04 10r... I had one for a couple of very wet days. Found it very behaved, until I let the revs run on, going up a hill, and found myself without traction once the power came on :shit: Got used to the seating very quickly, and loved how nimble it was. Roll on excellent, yada yada. Handling I thought was quite good... I'm struggling to figure out if it something bad on it, as it was better than an 06, when it should be the other way around. Mind you, I never nailed it, partly for license reasons, and also knowing it would lose traction, rather than wheelie. :rockon:

Downside, I feel I could ride the 7r harder, and in corners, I feel like I can just keep on leaning. 10r, more power to watch for, can't just nail it through corners (well, until I get used to it).

On the whole... 10r... the 7 just doesn't have the power, I feel like its lacking. Hard choice indeed... but yeah, once you have played with the more powerful bikes, you notice where the 7 is lacking, mostly braking hard into downhill corners, you feel the weight.

PM me an email addy if you want a scanned copy of an article in PB, I have one. (Their mods ranged in effect and cost - again depends how far you want to go)

The biggest issue for me, is trying to compare bikes that I wouldn't even own. ie, any one I owned would be quite modified, similar to my 7, so riding stock stuff is sorta pointless.

I just need to steal gareth's 10 off him ;)

[-df-]

Yeah I guess alot of it is just me being in my comfort zone with the 7R. Definatly know what people are talking about when they say its a bit on the slow side now.

One thing that still annoys me about the 7R is its wheelie ability...either I just can't crack the bike, or I suck...thing is I can wheelie my mrs rgv150 a hell of a lot better then the 7r...which is just weird...

Gremlin: PM sent, cheers :Punk:

[deeknow]

One thing that still annoys me about the 7R is its wheelie ability...

I dropped a tooth on the front sprocket on mine, makes a world of difference, drops some top speed of course but definately lightens up the front under power :Punk:

[N4CR]

i'm struggling to figure out if it something bad on it, as it was better than an 06, when it should be the other way around. mind you, i never nailed it, partly for license reasons, and also knowing it would lose traction, rather than wheelie. :rockon:


bone stock vs modded 10 no comparo....

[Madmax]

the stock 04 ZX10Rs are plenty of fun but
i think i ride best on a ZX7R its just not so
brutal on the gas and does not spend as
much time on the back wheel
(the 10 when ridien hard the front wheel just skims the ground most off the time):yes:

[N4CR]

end as
much time on the back wheel
(the 10 when ridien hard the front wheel just skims the ground most off the time):yes:

with a 85-90kg pillion if i remember correct it was coming up at around ~220 on very flat 'surfaces'

[Gremlin]

One thing that still annoys me about the 7R is its wheelie ability...either I just can't crack the bike, or I suck...thing is I can wheelie my mrs rgv150 a hell of a lot better then the 7r...which is just weird...
for the 7, it does depend on a few factors, it ain't no 160hp 170kg bike. Power of the bike, gearing etc, makes more of a diff to it. Don't forget it has a lot of weight over the front, which makes it so awesome through the corners (2up, right up behind a 600 :lol:)

I can get little wheelies in first off the line, but using the extra power near the top of first gear, nothing major... don't really want to, either. It also has stock gearing, and a slight change would yield some results.

[Damon]

sorry for the delay, here's those PDF's

[Lazy7]

I dont think your going to get a new litre toy bike thats going to feel as "planted" or as "stable" as the 7R cause they weigh nothing and have shit load too much power these days.

to be honest though - i remember reading a bunch of reviews on the 04 zx10 and the editors of the magazines shitting themselves saying it was one of the scariest bikes they had ridden in terms of 'biting' the rider if they got something slightly wrong.

7R has never really scared me. my first 'big' bike and i am still quite happy with it. It could be a bit more comfortable but it will never look better.

[ams67]

Well, the ZX10-06/07 is a totally different riding experience.
It's improved a lot, starting with a good steering dumper in place (finally).
http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/ZX10R/ZX10R.asp

[Back Fire]

Well, the ZX10-06/07 is a totally different riding experience.
It's improved a lot, starting with a good steering dumper in place (finally).
http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/ZX10R/ZX10R.asp

good is debateable... even set at max it's softer than ice cream... yes it's Ohlins but my god its not Ohlins... have a Ohlins damper on a SV1000 and jeez the diff between that one (which I consider REAL ohlins) and the damper on the 10r is a joke... couple a clicks and its nice and firm, go all the way out and you can barely turn the bars... but... I guess something is better than nothing :D

[N4CR]

well, the zx10-06/07 is a totally different riding experience.
it's improved a lot, starting with a good steering dumper in place (finally).
http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/zx10r/zx10r.asp

it doesn't need the damper, nor does the damper on it do much as you said. put it back down over 200kmh and it's fine. keep the pressures set and susp tuned up and slappers are fine if you get one, mainly with pillions for me (lofty front wheel haha wheelie ballast).

[speed63]

it doesn't need the damper, nor does the damper on it do much as you said. put it back down over 200kmh and it's fine. keep the pressures set and susp tuned up and slappers are fine if you get one, mainly with pillions for me (lofty front wheel haha wheelie ballast).

agree. the media/journos had to find something to pick on! If properly set up no headshake:yes:

[ams67]

Uhmm, the ZX10 Ohlins works pretty well for me. However, the difference between the 2004 and 2006 model is not only the additional steering dumper. The 2006 model is a different bike. The handling is great and also the engine is more smooth. I tested the ZX10 2004 after my bad experience with the CBR1000R. Compared to the CBR the ZX10 required a lot of work to keep it on the right track.
Then I bought the RSV1000 Aprilia. It was great. Handling and breaking made it as a 'dream come true'. Unfortunatelly good things don't last for long. So my dear Italian bike started to have the usual problem, as most of Italian bikes: electrical/electronic issues. Bloody Italians (by the way I am Italian)
The Aprilia distributor in NZ is particulary crap. The said that it would take several weeks to get the part that translated in a more realistic language, it means several months. So, thanks to the bike dealer, i was able to get a brand new ZX10.
Finger crossed it is a great bike...

[speed63]

Uhmm, the ZX10 Ohlins works pretty well for me. However, the difference between the 2004 and 2006 model is not only the additional steering dumper. The 2006 model is a different bike. The handling is great and also the engine is more smooth. I tested the ZX10 2004 after my bad experience with the CBR1000R. Compared to the CBR the ZX10 required a lot of work to keep it on the right track.
Then I bought the RSV1000 Aprilia. It was great. Handling and breaking made it as a 'dream come true'. Unfortunatelly good things don't last for long. So my dear Italian bike started to have the usual problem, as most of Italian bikes: electrical/electronic issues. Bloody Italians (by the way I am Italian)
The Aprilia distributor in NZ is particulary crap. The said that it would take several weeks to get the part that translated in a more realistic language, it means several months. So, thanks to the bike dealer, i was able to get a brand new ZX10.
Finger crossed it is a great bike...

congratulations on the new bike, am sure you will love it, the 06 is definately softer than the 04/05 model

[Madmax]

bone stock vs modded 10 no comparo....
My one is blue printed has a micron can,power commander,
Bloody thing picked up about 10 hp from the blue printing alone.
Have never put a steering damper on.
(Mind you i do have an old H1 tripple as well, they do need a
damper) :love:

[Clivoris]

My one is blue printed has a micron can,power commander,
Bloody thing picked up about 10 hp from the blue printing alone.
Have never put a steering damper on.
(Mind you i do have an old H1 tripple as well, they do need a
damper) :love:

Dude. If I may be so bold, what did it cost to blueprint your engine?

[aussieinauckland]

have rode the 06 zx10 and fark me are they a machine , just pure power , ate took out the redarders and shit does she go , it's just all power but they shake like shit , if you took the dampner off you could not ride it ,

but hey that's what's it's all about , take one for a ride

[Madmax]

Dude. If I may be so bold, what did it cost to blueprint your engine?
Kawasaki did the bottom end
(mine was one of the first ones and had an assembly fault,
they put the wrong bearings in) i had the top end done state side.
There is not that much you can do with the top end!..
Cost? too much..
(problems now include
it eats chains, tires ETC,)
I thought i would put a damper on it at one point
but just got used to it shaking its head some times!!
The 04s feel more alive than the 06s
(its like they removed its guts somewhat)
:dodge:

[scracha]

Looks:
I love the look of the 7R, its the main reason I purchased my bike...So I'm totally biased on this one and wont go any further :dodge:


Totally agree with you on that. Did they get the purple ones out there? Everyone else was drooling over 916's but I reckon the ZX7 was one of the best looking bikes ever made. Why the hell Kawasaki couldn't style the ZX9 to look like it's smaller sibling was just bizzarre.

[Karma]

Why the hell Kawasaki couldn't style the ZX9 to look like it's smaller sibling was just bizzarre.


Smaller in ccs but not in weight, perhaps the reason they didn't do the same with the 9r was because they wanted it to move.

[Gremlin]

...perhaps the reason they didn't do the same with the 9r was because they wanted it to move.
I count them as different bikes, you take a look at the seating position. 9 is far more fast tourer. I looked at a 9 for a sec, when going to the 7, but discounted it for a second bike. The 7 is a much better step from a 250. Do not discount its front end either... it rocks. If you are good, the 9's power means fuck all against the handling of the 7.

It looks one hell of a lot better than the 9 too. The new shape 9 with the bug headlights was even more ugly that the older one, imho.

[-df-]

I count them as different bikes, you take a look at the seating position. 9 is far more fast tourer. I looked at a 9 for a sec, when going to the 7, but discounted it for a second bike. The 7 is a much better step from a 250. Do not discount its front end either... it rocks. If you are good, the 9's power means fuck all against the handling of the 7.

It looks one hell of a lot better than the 9 too. The new shape 9 with the bug headlights was even more ugly that the older one, imho.

couldn't have said it better myself.

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If you are good, the 9's power means fuck all against the handling of the 7.

Assume the rider on the 9 is a noob, otherwise it'd nail you


It looks one hell of a lot better than the 9 too. The new shape 9 with the bug headlights was even more ugly that the older one, imho.


Now that's just out and out bollocks... some people love the 7r, that's fine, I can handle that, but those are the same people that eat brussel sprouts and wear silk undergloves!

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Smaller in ccs but not in weight, perhaps the reason they didn't do the same with the 9r was because they wanted it to move.

I wasn't talking about power or weight. Some people prefer bikes making "only" around 100 ponies and don't bother about having a few extra kilos.

I can't see how changing the styling to make it look like the 750 would have added more weight to the 9r?

Come to think of it. A few peeps bunged 9r motors in the 7. Wonder if anyone grafted a 7 fairing onto a 9 ?

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I wasn't talking about power or weight. Some people prefer bikes making "only" around 100 ponies and don't bother about having a few extra kilos.

Are these the same people that buy sportsbikes? I was under the impression that market forces are driving high HP and low KG bikes these days.


Come to think of it. A few peeps bunged 9r motors in the 7. Wonder if anyone grafted a 7 fairing onto a 9 ?


Wouldn't have a clue on that one, but I have seen a 750 that was bored out to a 900.

It's each to their own really, I just personally can't vibe with the styling on a 7r.

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It's each to their own really, I just personally can't vibe with the styling on a 7r.

you on a 7r wouldn't work dude.... fat on fat... just wouldn't mesh right... WHAT YOU RIDIN ON BLOBBY!

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Are these the same people that buy sportsbikes? I was under the impression that market forces are driving high HP and low KG bikes these days.
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I blame the magazines. "blah blah...3kg lighter and 2bph more....woooo". Not everyone who buys a sportsbike is interested in having the pinnacle of performance. I see it as a safety aspect myself. I'm sure if I'd been on a modern sportsbike this afternoon I'd have been able to stop or swerve before hitting the car that pulled out in front of me. Doesn't mean I want 150 ponies, have to do 200kmph or get my knee down on every corner.

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Doesn't mean I want 150 ponies, have to do 200kmph or get my knee down on every corner.

aaah BUT... out of all those things, apart from the 150 ponies... the rest is up to you! you dont 'have' to do that just because the bike can etc

[Madmax]

Totally agree with you on that. Did they get the purple ones out there? Everyone else was drooling over 916's but I reckon the ZX7 was one of the best looking bikes ever made. Why the hell Kawasaki couldn't style the ZX9 to look like it's smaller sibling was just bizzarre.
I think the ZX7s with the green/purple paint look bloody excellent
purple back end and wheels

[Toaster]

Isn't bike shopping just the bizzo :)

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http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/480579/

Green and red also quite nice.

[Karma]

No no no no no...

Best 7s that I've seen are all one colour, fantastic in black (or at least as good as they'll get anyways)

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No no no no no...

Best 7s that I've seen are all one colour, fantastic in black (or at least as good as they'll get anyways)

no way, best colour is the P6 Green with the black lines on the bottom....perfect.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/photos/a-87817850/p-35735998.htm
that's the one (dudes on KB somewhere...can't remember his name though).

[Lazy7]

thats me! buy it buy it buy it.

[Gremlin]

thats me! buy it buy it buy it.
sorry... thats a bit subtle for me... did you mean mine? Everybody likes the tricked out ones over the prettiness :dodge:

don't they :whistle: