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limbimtimwim
12th January 2007, 07:43
I got the chance to ride Dreamer's (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=5079) R6 last night up and down the Featherston side of the Rimutaka hill road and made some observations, mostly in comparison to my GSXR.

Short: Yamaha R6, totally fucking brilliant.

Long: It's great fun. Heaps of fun. Painfully fun. Why is it so much fun?

The whole bike is incredibly thrash friendly. All it's components made it very easy for me (Or any other dim witted fool) to get on and just ride it.

It's probably poor writing to describe the R6's centrepiece, the engine, first. But I will anyway. The throttle is very responsive, but your right hand is a noise requester as much as it is a forward progress requester. Kinda like a boy racer car that makes all this noise, but doesn't actually go very fast. And that is why it is so much fun. The piss weak screaming engine makes you feel like a motorcycle riding god, while keeping the speed down to a level my dim witted brain can cope with.

Once the engine is really spinning, yes, there is power there. Heading uphill on the straight just after the two bridges on the Featherston side I got a little wiggle as the front tyre skimmed the road surface and the speedo said.. Something. Otherwise, if it is in the wrong gear and you exit a corner and you open the throttle, you get that feeling of serious disappointment because you have fucked it up by being in a gear to high.

The engine is very smooth. It also lacks engine braking. 'Cos I am a retard I managed to completely close and then open the throttle mid corner, and that didn't upset the bike. My GSXR discourages such behaviour and punishes you for it.

The suspension is firm, but not harsh. I wasn't quite sure about the rear though. On some of the rougher bits coming down the hill it skipped a little where I know my GSXR would have sailed through. No issues with the front though, that was great.

The biggest difference between the R6 and the GSXR is that the R6 didn't seem to stand up under brakes as much (Or did it stand up at all?) as the GSXR. I've heard people blame the Bridgestone BT-014 that is on the front for this behaviour. Personally, I don't have a problem with it on the GSXR (I enjoy the reaction) but on the R6 it was very conspicuous in it's absence, and that was really good. The brakes I didn't think were as good as the GSXR's, but then perhaps I am linking 'stand up' with how good the brakes are? Anyway, the brakes are pretty damn good on the R6.

The bike tips in quicker than the GSXR. It really reminded me of my 400 a lot. It feels very stable when heeled over, unlike my 400, which gets a little wiggly. That's 12 years progress for you :) .

It's not as comfy as the GSXR, there is more weight on your wrists. Initially I found this off-putting, but actually it was fine while going up and down the hill. God knows what it will be like on a straight road, it could be torture. You kinda sit 'on' the R6, rather than 'in'.

I couldn't get my feet down that well on the R6, but it feels very light so you don't really need to get your feet down as well as the GSXR, which feels heavier.

I missed the GSXR's gear indicator, and the speedo readout was smaller or something and harder to read. Not that I looked at it much.

So, would I swap in my GSXR for it? No. If I had this R6 and rode a K6 GSXR would I swap it for a GSXR? No, unless it was uncomfortable doing what I am doing on my bike these days (A fair amount of distance 2up).

I was thinking afterwards: This bike is the death-knell for the old 400s really, it handles better, isn't 10+ years old and falling to bits, doesn't have carbs, and isn't faster by as much as the 45-50hp difference would imply. Those who want a thrash machine for some really tight and twisty roads, meet your new tool.

LilSel
12th January 2007, 07:47
Awesome write-up :):rockon:

Coyote
12th January 2007, 07:57
It's kinda disappointing to hear that if you find yourself in the wrong gear there's no power and how the throttle just makes noise. That's what I hate about <251cc bikes

Good write up though. The rest of the bike sounds awesome

limbimtimwim
12th January 2007, 08:18
It's kinda disappointing to hear that if you find yourself in the wrong gear there's no power and how the throttle just makes noise. That's what I hate about <251cc bikesWell, it's not that bad. It is more like "I could have done that much much better". There is more leeway on the 750. It's not just the 150cc difference, it's the 'attitude', if you will, of the engine.

It is very good, if I had one I'd be very very happy.

Coyote
12th January 2007, 08:25
Well, it's not that bad. It is more like "I could have done that much much better". There is more leeway on the 750. It's not just the 150cc difference, it's the 'attitude', if you will, of the engine.

It is very good, if I had one I'd be very very happy.
150cc is the difference to whether my bike is moving or not

That's fair. I would be happy with one. Think a motard would be a smarter choice for me cause they generally get back up again and keep on going after a fall. I've run out of spare parts, if I drop the RG again it's gonna cost me uber muchos

skelstar
12th January 2007, 08:30
Good writeup Simon. Do you regret ot riding more bikes before deciding on your 750 yet?

limbimtimwim
12th January 2007, 08:34
Good writeup Simon. Do you regret ot riding more bikes before deciding on your 750 yet?Hell no. It's still the best bike ever. Even if it is the wrong colour. And a Suzuki.

skelstar
12th January 2007, 08:43
Hell no. It's still the best bike ever. Even if it is the wrong colour. And a Suzuki.

I've never seen so many concessions made in one post before! ...so you can backpedal on a Suzuki then? ;)

limbimtimwim
12th January 2007, 09:00
I've never seen so many concessions made in one post before! ...so you can backpedal on a Suzuki then? ;)Nah. Ask me to show you the corrosion sometime. Or hear the squeaking whizz-bang throttle thingy.

RantyDave
12th January 2007, 09:42
Ask me to show you the corrosion sometime.
Corrosion? On a less than year old bike? And you don't live by the sea?

Sheeeat!

Dave

Trudes
12th January 2007, 09:46
Great write up LBTW! :rockon:
I felt privileged to merely sit on Dreamer's beautiful new baby last night, and was pleasantly surprised that I could tippy toe on it!
As much as I love the R6, I still don't think it's a bike I could ever own or ride for any amount of time, as just sitting on it, as much as it felt initially comfy, all that weight on my wrists would do my head in fairly quickly I think. It is obviously not designed for nannas such as me, it's meant to go fast!!
Dreamer, I am so happy for you getting your dream bike, she really is gorgeous, no that's wrong, it's sex on wheels baby!!!:love:

James Deuce
12th January 2007, 10:17
Corrosion? On a less than year old bike? And you don't live by the sea?

Sheeeat!

Dave

Standard Suzuki feature. They don't normally last a year, so why bother protecting it from corrosion?

vifferman
12th January 2007, 10:24
The biggest difference between the R6 and the GSXR is that the R6 didn't seem to stand up under brakes as much (Or did it stand up at all?) as the GSXR. I've heard people blame the Bridgestone BT-014 that is on the front for this behaviour. Personally, I don't have a problem with it on the GSXR (I enjoy the reaction) but on the R6 it was very conspicuous in it's absence, and that was really good.
Some of it is the bike's geometry, but most is due to the tyre's profile.

R6_kid
12th January 2007, 10:33
I think that essentially you have discovered the fact that the R6 is a pure race bike as opposed to what some road bikes have been over the last few years.

I have the idea that previously 'race' bikes in the supersport and superbike classes tended to have a good balance between road and track, with the bikes in the classes mentioned getting some extra 'race' parts to make them go better. The new R6 on the other hand has been refined and perfected for track use, hence the 'no power til 10k plus' feeling that will reward you greatly for being in the right gear come the apex-exit of a corner.

I would have to ride both first to compare but currently the 750 takes my cake simply due to the fact that it has that extra torque and a much beefier mid-range (from reading) and because im a fat bastard at nearly 100kg.

Awesome write up dude, im looking forward to getting out on a few new bikes later in the year when it comes time for me to upgrade!

jimbo600
12th January 2007, 12:39
Hell no. It's still the best bike ever. Even if it is the wrong colour. And a Suzuki.

Jeez the GSXR police are coming after you lad.

Coyote
12th January 2007, 12:54
I'd get the R6 purely for it's looks. I'm vain enough

And they were by far the nicest sounding bikes at Wanganui. They had a higher pitch howl to any other 600. A ZX6R would go past and sound kinda disappointing