Muslims have more right to Australia than convicts...

[LilSel]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10418810

From article: Speaking in Arabic on Egyptian television Sheik Alhilali said, according to a Seven Network translation, that white Australians arrived in the country shackled as convicts.

"We (Muslims) came as free people. We bought our own tickets. We are entitled to Australia more than they are," he said.
:laugh:.... oh dear....

hmmm.... what are the papers up to??!?!?....Media stirring it up bout this group here and over the ditch so it seems

kinda follows on from http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=41939

[DMNTD]

Two Muslim mothers are sitting in the cafe chatting over a pint of goat's milk. The older of the moms pulls out her bag and starts flipping through pictures and reminiscing.

"This is my oldest son, Mohammed. He would be 24 now."

The other mom replies, "I remember him as a baby."

Mom says, "He's a martyr now."

The other mother says, "Oh, so sad, my dear."



Mom flips to another picture. "And this is my second son, Khalid. He would be 21."

The second mother says, "Oh I remember him. He had such curly hair when he was born."

Mom sighs, "He's a martyr, too."

"Oh gracious me," says the second mother.



Mom whispers, "And this is my third son. My beautiful Ahmed! He would be 18."

"Yes," says her friend enthusiastically, "I remember when he first started school."

"He's a martyr also", Mom says with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Muslim mother looks wistfully at the photos and says, "They blow up so fast, don't they?"

[R6_kid]

ahahahha... gonna be another fun summer in cronulla if this crony doesnt shut his mouth

[Grahameeboy]

Silly thing to say but I think he was trying to counter issues surrounding Muslim's living in Aussie and I can kinda see what he was trying to say......not defending him just trying to look at another angle.

At end of day we all have same rights..........look at the Maori issues over here in NZ...........they have re-defined definition of indigenous.

One day we will all accept that we all have the same rights until we abuse them and that we are simply keepers in time of the land we walk.........

[Lias]

One day we will all accept that we all have the same rights until we abuse them and that we are simply keepers in time of the land we walk.........

One day people like you will be ground under the bootheels of someone bigger and stronger :-P

[Damon]

It's looks like they are starting their move to take over the world, first they want their own "public" swimming pools, now terrorists and suicide bombers have more of a claim to a country than convicts? I'm pretty sure the greeks/europeans and asians we're there before Sheik Taj Hedup Hizass and they paid their own way too.

[ManDownUnder]

One day people like you will be ground under the bootheels of someone bigger and stronger :-P

Underestimate people like me at your peril.

[Street Gerbil]

Don't you know that Australia is the 4th holiest place of Islam?

[Lias]

Underestimate people like me at your peril.

Dont make me scrape you off my boots MDU, I just had them spit polished by my fillipino houseboy :-P

[thatHurt]

Having a Filipino "houseboy" could be constued as being rather gay.

[Fatjim]

I'd have to agree. The average Ozzy is rather retarded, and should be steralised so the Muslims can really enjoy their new homeland.

[Fatjim]

Dont make me scrape you off my boots MDU, I just had them spit polished by my fillipino houseboy :-P

shit for a minute I thought you said boobs, not boots.

[Lias]

Having a Filipino "houseboy" could be constued as being rather gay.

Hey just because I support slavery doesnt mean I'm gay :-(

[Grahameeboy]

One day people like you will be ground under the bootheels of someone bigger and stronger :-P

Ha ha...I have a friend..........................anyway, size does not matter and like Ghandi, it is the little people who do count...........

[Grahameeboy]

Underestimate people like me at your peril.

and me....I am right with you MDU

[Hillbilly]

ahahahha... gonna be another fun summer in cronulla if this crony doesnt shut his mouth

This isn't that same idiot the compared women to pieces of raw meat is it?

[Biff]

One day people like you will be ground under the bootheels of someone bigger and stronger :-P

Are the nasty men still out to get you mate?

You really should stop smoking that shit.:doobey:

[peanuteater]

Nah, its just the funny voices in the head-lol

[Skyryder]

Wonder what the Sheik will utter when he learns that NZ was once administed from Australia.

Skyryder

[Fat Tony]

It's looks like they are starting their move to take over the world

Yes but it'll be a peaceful takeover if the UK is anything to go by... the average British family have what, 2.5 kids? Whereas the average British muslim family appear to have 25 kids ;)

[Flatcap]

Yes but it'll be a peaceful takeover if the UK is anything to go by... the average British family have what, 2.5 kids? Whereas the average British muslim family appear to have 25 kids ;)

You need a few spare for martyrdom and such..

[Sniper]

I wish NZ would adopt this attitude


The Aussies Get It! Muslims Who Want Sharia Law - Get out!

Not sure of the true origin of this.......but it sure has a "powerful ring"..........

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians." "However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle." "This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

[mooks]

This isn't that same idiot the compared women to pieces of raw meat is it?

yep - thats the bloke .....

in a similar vein ..... have a look at this:

http://glumbert.com/media/wifebeat

good grief

[Skyryder]

So if the wife wants to 'beat' the husband do the same rules apply??

Skyryder

[Fat Tony]

I wish NZ would adopt this attitude

OK so now I'm considering moving to Australia instead, lol

[Hillbilly]

Well, if they're from Pakistan, it's perfectly OK to murder the wife or daughter if she "shames" the family or brings "dishonour". It's part of the culture, and there have been many documentaries on the subject.

[Sniper]

OK so now I'm considering moving to Australia instead, lol

Lol, like hell, you will come here and like it dammit! British are ok, you have good humour in your blood

[Fat Tony]

Lol, like hell, you will come here and like it dammit! British are ok, you have good humour in your blood

You just don't want to lose your commission on the car rental ;)

I do like Australia's approach to moaning immigrants though - fit in or go home :)

[Lou Girardin]

I'm so sick of these fundamentalist fanatics using religion as justification for the slaughter of innocent people. You know, "God speaks to them'.
Islamists like this guy piss me off too.

[jetboy]

Silly thing to say but I think he was trying to counter issues surrounding Muslim's living in Aussie and I can kinda see what he was trying to say......not defending him just trying to look at another angle.

At end of day we all have same rights..........look at the Maori issues over here in NZ...........they have re-defined definition of indigenous.

One day we will all accept that we all have the same rights until we abuse them and that we are simply keepers in time of the land we walk.........
As I see it land (as in a country in general) belongs to all who live there. The beaches, mountains, lakes, even airspace should "belong" to everyone.

If you CHOSE to move to a country then you should abide by those country's law of the land and respect their customs.

Whether or not you are indegenous now-a-days has nothing to do with it. NZ was colonised by the British, Spain went and mowed down the Aztecs and Incas in South America - it happens!! But thats a whole other story....

I will add a post below from a letter written by a kiwi to a local newspaper which I think defines the way it should be.

[jetboy]

After Wellington not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up
Xmas
lights.


After hearing that we are going to let a Muslim woman have her picture
on her drivers license with her face covered.

This prompted this editorial written by a New Zealand Citizen.
Quote:

IMMIGRANTS, NOT NEW ZEALANDERS, MUST ADAPT. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some

individuals or their culture. I am not against immigration, nor do I
hold
a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to New

Zealand.

However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our
country and apparently some born here, need to understand.


This idea of New Zealand being a multicultural community has served
only
to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As New Zealanders,
we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own

lifestyle.



Our culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom, even
died
for it.



We Speak ENGLISH or MAORI, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,

Japanese, Russian or any other language. Therefore if you wish to
become
part of New Zealand society, -- Learn the language!



"In God we trust "is our national Motto. This is not some Christian,
right
wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and

women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is
clearly
documented.

It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If
God offends you, then it is recommended that you consider another part
of
the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.



If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A FAIR GO", then
you
should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.



We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we
really
don't care how you did things where you came from, This is OUR COUNTRY,

OUR LAND, AND OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to

enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and or

griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way Of

Life, then you are HIGHLY ENCOURAGED to take advantage of one other
great
New Zealand freedom "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE"



LEAVE if you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to
come
here.

YOU asked to be here. So Accept the country YOU accepted, it's pretty
easy
really, when you think about it

[scumdog]

What pisses me off is that people come here to get away from a perceived 'problem' - and bring major features of that 'problem' to NZ with them!!!!

Move here - blend in.

[jetboy]

What pisses me off is that people come here to get away from a perceived 'problem' - and bring major features of that 'problem' to NZ with them!!!!

Move here - blend in.
... like the suitcase murder of that asian student and many more stories

[boomer]

What pisses me off is that people come here to get away from a perceived 'problem' - and bring major features of that 'problem' to NZ with them!!!!

Move here - blend in.

More than likey they will blend in Scumdog, they are lazy, dole bludgening uselss layabouts too! Wanna buy my musket?

[Ixion]

,,
"In God we trust "is our national Motto.

Is it? When did that happen?


But once you are done complaining, whining, and or griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way Of Life, ,,,

We have a Pledge?

Gee, you'd think that folk so enthusiatic about OUR country would be able to defend it without plagiarising some other countries rant.

[iwilde]

I think a few people here are getting religion and culture mixed up. Religion is religion and cant be adapted. Culture can be blended to a certian point, but whats wrong with people speaking their own language at home? I agree that it's rude to talk non-english in front of NZ'rs if it can be helped and practice does make perfect. Why are we all looking at the problems that immigration bring? How about our own problems sorted first? People, weather Muslim, black, yellow or Hindu should be treated as people on an indivudal basis as we do ourselves. Theirs bad bastards and stirers all over the world, and believe it or not theirs some in this country as well. Don't judge all of Islam from what some idiot in Ozzy is saying, thats only his view, not mine or every Muslim's view.

[Grahameeboy]

I think a few people here are getting religion and culture mixed up. Religion is religion and cant be adapted. Culture can be blended to a certian point, but whats wrong with people speaking their own language at home? I agree that it's rude to talk non-english in front of NZ'rs if it can be helped and practice does make perfect. Why are we all looking at the problems that immigration bring? How about our own problems sorted first? People, weather Muslim, black, yellow or Hindu should be treated as people on an indivudal basis as we do ourselves. Theirs bad bastards and stirers all over the world, and believe it or not theirs some in this country as well. Don't judge all of Islam from what some idiot in Ozzy is saying, thats only his view, not mine or every Muslim's view.

I agree...........if we let Muslims in then we have to respect their religion as we should not expect them to change their faith........but equally, they should respect our culture and laws as we would in their Country and how many of us criticise other cultures because they do not suit us?

A lot of people think that cutting off the hand of a thief is aweful, however, it is their culture and if you know the consequences of your actions then what is the problem.

The Driving Licence photo issue? Well I don't see a real problem.....the licence requires a signature so that is a form of identification. There is a way around the issue......isn't that the Kiwi way?

I remember in the UK a while ago when there was some Sikh saying that he could not wear a helmet when riding a motorbike because he had to wear his head wear..........what's the problem.........he won his case.

When I was in Kenya, the locals caught 2 thieves, doused them in petrol and set fire to them. Okay, not my way but those guys would have known the risks and did not respect the culture / way of life.

Like you say we have to treat people on an individual basis like we would anyone else. If a person acts improperly then we have a choice to cut ties with that person.......at the end of the day it is our choice to take offence or not to take offence.

Get over it.

[jetboy]

Points taken. But I know of a friend who lived and worked in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and she was required to wear the veils and scarves etc, even though she does not believe in their religion. She respected that and wore the veil accordingly, but why does this not work the other way around? Why, when requested (as seen recently in schools across France), do the women not take the veils off when in another country?

I see your point Grahameeboy regarding us critisising other cultures, but I am not in that respective country so I have no need to follow their customs and culture.

All I am saying is if you go to another country (whether it be NZ, Australia or North Korea) then you should be expected to follow that country's laws, customs, and requirements. Does this not seem fair?

You are correct in saying its our choice to take offence or otherwise...but when we do take offence nothing happens, as with the veils (and I am only using the veils as it is an example on the top of my head).

[Grahameeboy]

Points taken. But I know of a friend who lived and worked in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and she was required to wear the veils and scarves etc, even though she does not believe in their religion. She respected that and wore the veil accordingly, but why does this not work the other way around? Why, when requested (as seen recently in schools across France), do the women not take the veils off when in another country?

I see your point Grahameeboy regarding us critisising other cultures, but I am not in that respective country so I have no need to follow their customs and culture.

All I am saying is if you go to another country (whether it be NZ, Australia or North Korea) then you should be expected to follow that country's laws, customs, and requirements. Does this not seem fair?

I think in a roundabout way we agree.

I do agree with you on the Saudi Arabia thing though with your friend......is it a cultural / custom thing over there, not purely religious? If so then in your final paragraph you agree with what happened to your friend.

[Grahameeboy]

Points taken. But I know of a friend who lived and worked in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and she was required to wear the veils and scarves etc, even though she does not believe in their religion. She respected that and wore the veil accordingly, but why does this not work the other way around? Why, when requested (as seen recently in schools across France), do the women not take the veils off when in another country?

I see your point Grahameeboy regarding us critisising other cultures, but I am not in that respective country so I have no need to follow their customs and culture.

All I am saying is if you go to another country (whether it be NZ, Australia or North Korea) then you should be expected to follow that country's laws, customs, and requirements. Does this not seem fair?

You are correct in saying its our choice to take offence or otherwise...but when we do take offence nothing happens, as with the veils (and I am only using the veils as it is an example on the top of my head).

This is all I could find about Business Dress in Saudi Arabia

Business women should make certain that their collarbones and knees are covered and that their clothes are not form-fitting.

Are you sure she had to wear a veil....obviously scarf would cover collarbones.

[Patrick]

I'm so sick of these fundamentalist fanatics using religion as justification for the slaughter of innocent people. You know, "God speaks to them'.
Islamists like this guy piss me off too.

One day someone might point out it is not god, it is just the voices in their heads because they're farken nuts....

[Grahameeboy]

One day someone might point out it is not god, it is just the voices in their heads because they're farken nuts....

Well I have to point out that Bush says that he invaded Iraq in the name if God............just misguided............

[Patrick]

"In God we trust "is our national Motto.

[QUOTE=Ixion;897455]Is it? When did that happen?

Nearly right...

"In god we trust... all you other farken arseholes must pay cash" is the exact phrase, I believe...or summit similar....

[Grahameeboy]

Have we not forgotten that Aussies believed they have more rights than Aborigines once...............and only made it illegal to shoot them in the 70's.

Aussie's...get over it...........

[98tls]

Fuck it...........give em Australia..........they will ban ball sports and we might actually be able to win something....................

[LilSel]

Fuck it...........give em Australia..........they will ban ball sports and we might actually be able to win something....................

LOL!!!! Im going over there on Thurs with my balls n I plan to win :D...
Lemme do that first... then you can gift it to the muslims

[WarlockNZ]

not quite on topic ... but you get the idea.

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and as for my 2 cents .. a drivers licence is indeed a form of identification, "PHOTO IDENTIFICATION!" .. if you can't see a persons face how are you to know that they are in fact the holder of the license in question... do you think for a second that a Muslim would be allowed to have her face covered in a passport photo?? .. of course not .. that would be stupid.

This entire debate hinges around the fact that a lot (not all) muslims in both NZ and Australia feel that they should be exempt from the laws of the country, simply because it conflicts with their religion.

They knew that was the case before they chose to immigrate, but once they arrive they think that they can use religion to flout the law.

If I rode without a helmet (as stupid as that is) and was ticketed for it, do you think i could use religion to get off?? .. hell no!

This is no different. people are made aware of the laws and customs and standards of a country before they move there, you cannot, once you arrive, start claiming that your culture is above the laws of the land, or that the laws (religious or otherwise) from the country you left for a better life are more important and should be obeyed to the detriment of the society that you are now a part of... that's just stupid! ... unless you can become a part of your new homeland go back to where you came from or harden the fuck up!!

[Lou Girardin]

Fuck it...........give em Australia..........they will ban ball sports and we might actually be able to win something....................

Even with having to wear Burquas and having to pray towards Mecca 5 times a day, their cricket team will STILL dick ours.

[mstriumph]

erm :Offtopic: all very interesting, but ---- to get back to Sheik Alhilali ----

since his ill-considered comments were published there have been prominent Australian Muslims on the box actually apologising for the offence he's continuing to cause and trying to at least partially counter the damage he has done ............. and many of his erstwhile supporters are distancing themselves from him

can't be all bad, no?

notwithstanding all that, if i met the jerk-off i'd probably grab his hand and shake it ['cause he'd probably have to cautorize it to cleanse it, me being an unclean woman and white[ish] to boot] before festooning him with pig-entrails ....................... but then, i can't TOLERATE intolerance :sunny: :innocent:

[mstriumph]

and yes, Lou, watever happens, your cricket team WILL be dicked!! lol

[Skyryder]

erm :Offtopic: all very interesting, but ---- to get back to Sheik Alhilali ----

since his ill-considered comments were published there have been prominent Australian Muslims on the box actually apologising for the offence he's continuing to cause and trying to at least partially counter the damage he has done ............. and many of his erstwhile supporters are distancing themselves from him

can't be all bad, no?

notwithstanding all that, if i met the jerk-off i'd probably grab his hand and shake it ['cause he'd probably have to cautorize it to cleanse it, me being an unclean woman and white[ish] to boot] before festooning him with pig-entrails ....................... but then, i can't TOLERATE intolerance :sunny: :innocent:

I saw one of the apologies. Don't recall the name of the guy but what struck me was the excuses that were being made at the same time.

Skyyrder

[SixPackBack]

I saw one of the apologies. Don't recall the name of the guy but what struck me was the excuses that were being made at the same time.

Skyyrder

Thats a bit rough! first the Muslims get branded broadly as suicide bombers and when the masses apologise and distance themselves they still get shit.

Make an effort to meet some Muslims Skyryder, they is pretty dam cool.:rockon:

[Grahameeboy]

not quite on topic ... but you get the idea.

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and as for my 2 cents .. a drivers licence is indeed a form of identification, "PHOTO IDENTIFICATION!" .. if you can't see a persons face how are you to know that they are in fact the holder of the license in question... do you think for a second that a Muslim would be allowed to have her face covered in a passport photo?? .. of course not .. that would be stupid.

This entire debate hinges around the fact that a lot (not all) muslims in both NZ and Australia feel that they should be exempt from the laws of the country, simply because it conflicts with their religion.

They knew that was the case before they chose to immigrate, but once they arrive they think that they can use religion to flout the law.

If I rode without a helmet (as stupid as that is) and was ticketed for it, do you think i could use religion to get off?? .. hell no!

This is no different. people are made aware of the laws and customs and standards of a country before they move there, you cannot, once you arrive, start claiming that your culture is above the laws of the land, or that the laws (religious or otherwise) from the country you left for a better life are more important and should be obeyed to the detriment of the society that you are now a part of... that's just stupid! ... unless you can become a part of your new homeland go back to where you came from or harden the fuck up!!

I do agree and I was just looking at ways around the issue but at the same time, Govt's know what certain religions are like so they are niave if they think by allowing them in etc there will not be issues...

A signature is a form of identification.

[iwilde]

not quite on topic ... but you get the idea.

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and as for my 2 cents .. a drivers licence is indeed a form of identification, "PHOTO IDENTIFICATION!" .. if you can't see a persons face how are you to know that they are in fact the holder of the license in question... do you think for a second that a Muslim would be allowed to have her face covered in a passport photo?? .. of course not .. that would be stupid.

This entire debate hinges around the fact that a lot (not all) muslims in both NZ and Australia feel that they should be exempt from the laws of the country, simply because it conflicts with their religion.

They knew that was the case before they chose to immigrate, but once they arrive they think that they can use religion to flout the law.

If I rode without a helmet (as stupid as that is) and was ticketed for it, do you think i could use religion to get off?? .. hell no!

This is no different. people are made aware of the laws and customs and standards of a country before they move there, you cannot, once you arrive, start claiming that your culture is above the laws of the land, or that the laws (religious or otherwise) from the country you left for a better life are more important and should be obeyed to the detriment of the society that you are now a part of... that's just stupid! ... unless you can become a part of your new homeland go back to where you came from or harden the fuck up!!

Once again, confusing religious with a cultural issue. My personal view is that they should be bare headed, or at the most just the scarf covering the hair in any official photo. If you have any further confusion about which is cultural and which is religious, you can always ask.

[Fat Tony]

There are moves underway here to start letting bikers go in to banks wearing full face helmets now - all in the name of equality ;)

[Grahameeboy]

There are moves underway here to start letting bikers go in to banks wearing full face helmets now - all in the name of equality ;)

Excellent..how many bank robbers use helmets anyway?
I often pop into New World wearing my helmet cause it is easier if I need a basket and it is always quiet!!!!

[SixPackBack]

There are moves underway here to start letting bikers go in to banks wearing full face helmets now - all in the name of equality ;)

Perhaps we should micro-chip all Muslim women.:Pokey:

Worry about the shit that matters, not if some random lady wears a scarf. :whocares:

[Lou Girardin]

and yes, Lou, watever happens, your cricket team WILL be dicked!! lol

Not mine, when it comes to cricket, I'm Italian.

[SixPackBack]

Not mine, when it comes to cricket, I'm Italian.

Should help with Motogp then Lou:rockon:

[Grahameeboy]

Perhaps we should micro-chip all Muslim women.:Pokey:

Worry about the shit that matters, not if some random lady wears a scarf. :whocares:

Yep, have to agree......we worry about the stuff that does not in the whole scheme of things matter eh?

Sad that we let one Muslim woman who has an issue with having a full face photo eh.................funny thing is I seem to recall people having issues with photo licence in the first place............short memory syndrome?

[Grahameeboy]

Should help with Motogp then Lou:rockon:

He throws the ball at Hayden...........................

[Lou Girardin]

Should help with Motogp then Lou:rockon:

6 months to Mugello. Yeeeeehhhhaaaawwww.

[Fat Tony]

Perhaps we should micro-chip all Muslim women.:Pokey:

Mate, it won't be long until everybody in the UK is micro-chipped. Big Brother gets bigger by the day.

[Skyryder]

Thats a bit rough! first the Muslims get branded broadly as suicide bombers and when the masses apologise and distance themselves they still get shit.

Make an effort to meet some Muslims Skyryder, they is pretty dam cool.:rockon:

I can not help what I hear. Met plenty when I was driving the busses. Mostly students and teenagers. Most good. Some realy arsholes.

Did I tell you the time when a there was a group of about eight or nine middle eastern teenagers sitting in the back of the bus. No problem untill two young white girls came on board. Then they started parictising their English with them. "Do you 'do' it" and "I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours." Then hn they would speak their 'jabberwocky and laugh like hell. They were taking the piss out of these girls. And for what? Well to cut a long story short I stopped the bus walked down the back and said I'll teach you an English phase. They all looked up at me with that 'smart arse' look in their eyes that all troublemakers have. So I said 'do you know what 'sling your hook' means? 'Smart arse # 1' pipes up thinking that all men are like him. "No, you teach me English." he then turns to his mates with more jabberwocky and it's all a big joke at my expense. So I open the back door, eyeball this bozo and told him that Sling your hook means 'FUCK OFF.' And fuck off they did. Later the two girls came up and thanked me. I could tell many stories of a similar vein where 'middle eastern men have deliberatley intimidated females publicaly. Like the Somali teenagers who I caught rubbing their cocks up against asian woman who are trying to get past and down to the back of the bus.

I've seen only the worst of them but if you make a public apology that is going to be taken seriously then that must be without excuses. That after all is what an apology is.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

ahahahha... gonna be another fun summer in cronulla if this crony doesnt shut his mouth

Can't help but wonder what influence his words have on the youth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/3929599a6009.html


Skyyrder

[WarlockNZ]

A signature is a form of identification.

Yes it is, but! .. a drivers license and a passport are a form of "photo" identification.

Give me five minutes with your signature and i'll bet i could fool your wife/girlfriend, although on the same note .. my ex could sign my name and even i couldn't tell the difference .. lol .. put us both under a sheet and tell me you can tell who's who from the signature..

Don't be stupid!

[Guitana]

Yes it would appear our hairy sandal clad freinds across the ditch are making a move to take Australia over! Good luck I say!!! But the Aussies have a secret weapon - Pauline the Ginger Ninja Hansen if she gets back into power we are gauranteed more exciting scenes from the beach fronts and mosques of Australia.

[SixPackBack]

Yes it would appear our hairy sandal clad freinds across the ditch are making a move to take Australia over! Good luck I say!!! But the Aussies have a secret weapon - Pauline the Ginger Ninja Hansen if she gets back into power we are gauranteed more exciting scenes from the beach fronts and mosques of Australia.

Gauranteed a civil war if that thick bitch gets in. She is hated by a lot of Aussies as well.

[scumdog]

Gauranteed a civil war if that thick bitch gets in. She is hated by a lot of Aussies as well.

'Specially the black, asian and any wog ones eh?

[SixPackBack]

'Specially the black, asian and any wog ones eh?

Well any one with an IQ over 105....so yeah the cops love her:rockon:

[Grahameeboy]

Yes it is, but! .. a drivers license and a passport are a form of "photo" identification.

Give me five minutes with your signature and i'll bet i could fool your wife/girlfriend, although on the same note .. my ex could sign my name and even i couldn't tell the difference .. lol .. put us both under a sheet and tell me you can tell who's who from the signature..

Don't be stupid!

Okay...just looking at it from a different angle...........but the if we are under the sheets I would worry about your signature:gob:

[Lias]

Pauline Hanson might have been a bit of a washout, but I still like alot of One Nation's policies, such as:

Pursuse nationalistic and protectionistic polices on all fronts.
Revitalizing Australias manufacturing & industrial capacity by means of tax breaks for local companies, import tariffs, etc.
Relaxation of firearms laws for law abiding citizens.
Increased military force, all equipped with australian manufactured guns, tanks, planes etc.
Treating all natural resources as treasured of assets of australia, and heavily taxing the exploitation of them by foreign owned companies.
Restoration of the "White Australia" policy

I could go on.

Pity our local rightwing parties have never done as well in the elections as they did.

[ManDownUnder]

Restoration of the "White Australia" policy


So explain that one to me (seriously - I could make assumptions but would rather not)

[Lias]

So explain that one to me (seriously - I could make assumptions but would rather not)

I'll quote Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy


The White Australia Policy refers to a range of legislative Acts of the Australian Parliament which all but excluded Non-European immigration into Australia. The three key Acts which are the Immigration Restriction Act (1901), the Pacific Island Labourers Act (1901) and the Naturalisation Act (1903). The term "White Australia" emerged in the 1890's as an ideal to strengthen racial homogeneity and the overwhelmingly European character of the population. The Federation of Australian colonies in 1901 made the realisation of the White Australia Policy possible. Previously to this the six Australian colonies had to implement separate and at times inconsistent legislation. Australian Federation made it possible for the Australian Parliament to enact legislation which covered the entire continent. While the "White Australia Policy" was usually regarded as a policy of immigration restriction, or exclusion, the deportation of thousands of Melenesian people from Queensland before 1907 was also considered an important aspect of the initial policy.

Discriminatory immigration policies were gradually removed between the end of World War II and 1982 with racially discriminatory aspects of the Migration Act officially overturned in 1973.

In contemporary Australian public and academic discourses, the term 'White Australia Policy' is commonly used to refer to the conception of Australia in ethno-nationalistic terms.

[ManDownUnder]

I'll quote Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

Why an ethnic basis instead of an economic one though? Racial integrity is a hard thing to justify...

Economic integrity on the other hand. No money, people starve and die. Not so hard to understand

[Lias]

I don't nescesarily think that modern immigration policy should match the original policies which are 100+ years out of date, but there is IMHO a definite need to restrict immigration to ensure we dont face an erosion of our culture & society.

Immigrants of any race need to follow our culture and traditions as well as there own, and defer to ours where these clash etc.

I've known 3rd generation asians who are as kiwi as you or I, and also known 2nd/3rd generation greeks where the older family members barely speak english, and only socialise with other greeks for the most part, despite having been here for 60+ years . I know which ones I'd rather have as immigrants and isnt my mate Spiro's family :-P

I very firmly believe noone should be allowed to migrate to NZ unless they speak GOOD english, and show a willingness to understand and adapt to our culture. As I understand it to get american citizenship you have to pass a reasonably tough quiz which covers american history, core beliefs, system of law etc. We really need something like that here.

[mstriumph]

Gauranteed a civil war if that thick bitch gets in. She is hated by a lot of Aussies as well.

many aus-dwellers don't hate her at ALL ....... because many, like me, have given up any hope of getting honesty, common-sense or wise leadership from our politicians and are, therefore, willing to settle for ENTERTAINMENT VALUE!!

........ she was a HOOT, the best value i've had for my tax $ since Joh Bjelke-Petersen

i miss her :bye:

*sigh*

:dodge:

[Lias]

Why an ethnic basis instead of an economic one though? Racial integrity is a hard thing to justify...

Economic integrity on the other hand. No money, people starve and die. Not so hard to understand

I believe it should be based on cultural integrity rather than racial integrity, but given recent history can anyone truly claim that it was a good idea for example to allow such massive muslim and lebanese immigration into Australia in the past 50 years?

If that migration had been muted with policies ensuring that the people spoke english, and understood australian culture, traditions and laws before they were granted citizenship I suspect we'd never had had the Cronulla riots, the mad hatter muslim cleric, or the Aussie government breaking up terrorist rings with plans to attack the Lucas Heights reactor.

[mstriumph]

.................I very firmly believe noone should be allowed to migrate to NZ unless they speak GOOD english.......................


oh c'MON Lias ........ that'd keep out most Australians and a fair number of POMs as well!!! :innocent:

[Lias]

........ she was a HOOT, the best value i've had for my tax $ since Joh Bjelke-Petersen


I quite liked Sir Joh.. He had a "Fuck the lot of ya" attitude much like my hero Muldoon.

[Lias]

oh c'MON Lias ........ that'd keep out most Australians and a fair number of POMs as well!!! :innocent:

And all the Americans.. and really is that a bad thing?!?! Sorry sarge :-P

[SixPackBack]

many aus-dwellers don't hate her at ALL ....... because many, like me, have given up any hope of getting honesty, common-sense or wise leadership from our politicians and are, therefore, willing to settle for ENTERTAINMENT VALUE!!

........ she was a HOOT, the best value i've had for my tax $ since Joh Bjelke-Petersen

i miss her :bye:

*sigh*

:dodge:

BAHAHAHA........who was that?...Jo Bjelke-Gorbachev!...how the fuck do moron's like him get into power?...its nearly as puzzling as george Bush.:rockon:

[Grahameeboy]

oh c'MON Lias ........ that'd keep out most Australians and a fair number of POMs as well!!! :innocent:

Well I was born in London, parents were English and I was asked to produce proof that I had been taught English at school.........had to go to 3 schools to get this.

When I was waiting to get my NZ licence, there was an Asian guy at the desk with an interpreter.

Now I am not and have never been racist. However, I believe that speaking English has to be a pre-requisite. Okay, culture has to be respected but that works both ways and presumably, say take Muslim's, they are coming here for a better life sp should embrace it.

But it is Govt's that decide who gets in so we have to accept and make them welcome like you made us Pommie Bastards eh...he he...and rather than complain we embrace and help them to be part of this wonderful Country because if we don't then the Greeks mentioned earlier will not speak English....if you get my drift.

So there....

[mstriumph]

BAHAHAHA........who was that?...Jo Bjelke-Gorbachev!...how the fuck do moron's like him get into power?...its nearly as puzzling as george Bush.:rockon:

oh c'MON honey - lighten UP ........... there's a world of difference between the two

Jo Bjelke-Peterson was funny
Bush is just a joke

:yes:

[Skyryder]

oh c'MON honey - lighten UP ........... there's a world of difference between the two

Jo Bjelke-Peterson was funny
Bush is just a joke

:yes:

That depends just where you are sitting. Not much fun if you were into the alternitive life style in Queensland under J B-P, or for that matter if you are now in Iraq.

Skyryder

[mstriumph]

sorry
didn't mean to offend
- was meant to be a sort of two-lined one-liner



- failed, obviously :o

[MisterD]

Increased military force, all equipped with australian manufactured guns, tanks, planes etc.

Well that kind of points towards a basic lack of intelligence, just think how much it would cost to develop and manufacture a plane with the capabilities of the F-18? For how many for your own forces? What kind of international market share are you going to get competing with the Septics?

Nice, easy rhetoric with no basis in logic. What do you call it here? Dog-whistle politics?

[Guitana]

But as we all debate the problems in the Middle east and social problems with the refugees that have been displaced by war and corporate greed, our Chinese freinds in the east amass a huge arsenal of modern weaponry the likes of which have never been seen before.
The Americans are very nervous as the chinese have just demonstrated they have the capability to knock out orbiting satelites at any time leaving western armies that rely on satelite information blind and stumbling about in the dark.
But they still cant build a decent motorbike!!!!!

[Steam]

our Chinese freinds in the east amass a huge arsenal of modern weaponry the likes of which have never been seen before.
Eh? What's never been seen before?


The Americans are very nervous as the chinese have just demonstrated they have the capability to knock out orbiting satelites at any time

Eh? When was that and how?

[Sniper]

The Americans are very nervous as the chinese have just demonstrated they have the capability to knock out orbiting satelites at any time leaving western armies that rely on satelite information blind and stumbling about in the dark.


Hahahaha, reading too many stories in a book compiled by Stephen Coonts called COMBAT


Eh? When was that and how?

He is talking bullshit. Its a story called "Flight of the Endeavour" by R.J Pinero. Its one of the short stories in a book by Stephen Coonts as I stated above

[MisterD]

He is talking bullshit. Its a story called "Flight of the Endeavour" by R.J Pinero. Its one of the short stories in a book by Stephen Coonts as I stated above

Except that according to aunty Beeb:

Missile test (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6281247.stm)

[Sniper]

Yep, read that too


The US has asked China to explain its intentions after Beijing reportedly carried out a weapons test in space last week.

It is thought the Chinese used a ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile to destroy a weather satellite.

Could be anyone, Russia, USA, failing satelite. Its not confirmed as of yet

[Lias]

Well that kind of points towards a basic lack of intelligence, just think how much it would cost to develop and manufacture a plane with the capabilities of the F-18? For how many for your own forces? What kind of international market share are you going to get competing with the Septics?

Nice, easy rhetoric with no basis in logic. What do you call it here? Dog-whistle politics?
You dont have to fully develop it in country, but you do want to at least license the design to build them yourselves from the ground up, rather than buying them from overseas, to ensure your supply chain.

[MisterD]

Could be anyone, Russia, USA, failing satelite. Its not confirmed as of yet

Yeah, but that's like the use of the word "allegedly" when dealing with court cases. We know they did it, we just can't quite prove it.

[Guitana]

Hahahaha, reading too many stories in a book compiled by Stephen Coonts called COMBAT

He is talking bullshit. Its a story called "Flight of the Endeavour" by R.J Pinero. Its one of the short stories in a book by Stephen Coonts as I stated above

I shit you not my freind this happened late last week the chinese targeted a satelite of their own that was failing and took it out with an ICBM don't you guys watch the news???
Just flexing their biceps to show the west we are a superpower and don't fuck with us!!
The Yanks are right fucked off because the debri is scattered all over the orbiting paths of other satelites.Bummer!!
Lets hope they hit the satelite that airs all those shite american sitcoms and give us all a break!!

[Sniper]

I shit you not my freind this happened late last week the chinese targeted a satelite of their own that was failing and took it out with an ICBM don't you guys watch the news???

Media is overrated, and I dont think it would be an ICBM, most stated it was a medium range ballistic missile. Not that Im up with large lande based or air based fired rockets, but I doubt t would be a large ICBM type.

Happy to be proven wrong

[Patrick]

Yeah, but that's like the use of the word "allegedly" when dealing with court cases. We know they did it, we just can't quite prove it.

Thats the media "trying" not to convict by media... Shit, that was almost funny...

[Biff]

Media is overrated..

Fairy snuff, but I'd suggest it's fair to say that the Brit and US intelligence agencies (for once) are not making this story up.


As for the xenophobic crap that Lias is spouting about halting immigration - dude, do you realise that NZ ranks as one of the leading countries in the world for the migration of its own people overseas? Do some basic maths and you'll soon realise that if it wasn't for immigrants like me then this country would be a third world state within a decade, primarily due to lack of inward investment. This country already suffers from labour shortages, and now you want to compound that? Is ruining your country’s economy really the foundation for true nationalism? That’s not nationalism, that’s common racism hidden behind a semi-acceptable label.

Check out the immigration website - look at the attrition rate of Kiwis to overseas countries looking to earn more money in the UK or Ozzie, then look at the number of people migrating here. I did last night, it was quite an eye opener actually. Scary even.

Or maybe by immigrants you're referring to those with a suntan?

[xxblackbirdxx]

I wish NZ would adopt this attitude

Good on ya for telling it like it is.