Australia stands up for itself

[Sniper]

I posted this in another thread, but thought it worth is own thread too.

Im a firm believer that if you move to a country, you live by the laws they set and if you dont like it, then you can just get the fuck out of there. Im glad Australia is standing up for itself and telling those PC artists where to go.

Good on ya Australia, now if we could only get the NZ govt to adopt the same attitude.


The Aussies Get It! Muslims Who Want Sharia Law - Get out!

Not sure of the true origin of this.......but it sure has a "powerful ring"..........

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians." "However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle." "This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

[Deviant Esq]

It's a very hard nosed approach, one that's not likely to earn them many popularity contests, but too bloody right. About bloody time someone in that position stood firm and said "You're in our place, not yours, you can't expect us to change it just because it doesn't suit you."


...we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others."

Good speech, John Howard.

[MSTRS]

Too bloody right.
But just to play Devil's Advocate - how far back is a country deemed to be a nation with it's own laws and customs? After all, the Maoris and the Aborigines could use the same arguements (to turn the clock back).
Alernatively, isn't a country supposed to move with the times else it stagnates and dies?

[Sniper]

Too bloody right.
But just to play Devil's Advocate - how far back is a country deemed to be a nation with it's own laws and customs? After all, the Maoris and the Aborigines could use the same arguements (to turn the clock back).
Alernatively, isn't a country supposed to move with the times else it stagnates and dies?

Thats true, but moving to another culture instead of improving your own is just turning another part of country X. You lose your individuality.

When it comes to religion its different, but no one ever agrees on religion

[MSTRS]

.... but no one ever agrees on religion

It's a lie. We agnostics all agree. Bullshit until proof positive provided....:innocent:

[iwilde]

Why is Bush imposing his views on how Iraq should be run (and the rest of the middle east)? Maybe he should fuck off as well. If the Muslims want Sharia Law, no problem, they just need to be elected to parliment through the system thats put in place. Democratically as I remember it being called.

[Skyryder]

Can't fault the logic. Sometimes some blunt, plain speaking is required so that the options are laid out for all to see. Trouble is that when someone here issues a simular set of values there's a host of kiwi's prepared to call it the 'race card.'

Skyryder

[ZeroIndex]

Why can't New Zealand have John Hubbard as our Prime Minister

[sunhuntin]

i think thats the best speech ive ever read! the americans have been sayin the same thing "speak english or go home" but on the same token, as mentioned above, iraq would be an exception.

[R6_kid]

Why can't New Zealand have John Hubbard as our Prime Minister

who the fuck is John Hubbard?

[Damon]

politicians standing up of the majority?:gob: what's with that? how do we get some?

[Steam]

That makes me glad I don't live in Australia.
That speech is exactly what the bad guys would have said in "V for Vendetta".
In the western world we used to have what Karl Popper called the "Open Society", but it's being destroyed by demagogues like Costello and Howard.
It's nothing to do with principles or vision, it's just a cheap grab for the redneck Australian vote.
Shame, shame.

[riffer]

Bollocks its for the rednecks.

John Howard, in one speech you just completely changed my opinion of you.

Steam - your open society is a dream. Try going to an Islamic country and saying they should tolerate your lifestyle - you'd be hanged by lunchtime.

No wonder Aussie is the lucky country.

[avgas]

PR is bullshit for those that dont recieve it.
"Hi, im a white, Kiwi born, working class, average person. I dont cause crime, i dont whine - if i have a problem i will have to fix it myself....why.....cos the government hates me"
Now if i were a muslim id get my own swimming pool, unemployed - id get money, foreigner from a country at war - id be a refugee (see unemployed), criminal - fuck lotto cos my life is sorted [anything and everything i everwanted without working], non-average - student allowence.
This country is a fucking joke and the whole world is laughing

[Marmoot]

if you guys like him and his policy so much, why don't you just move to Australia?

No?

I thought so......

[Hillbilly]

Yep! Aussie has a lot to offer, (apart from Wharfies ;) ) like penalty rates for wages, ie. time and a half on Asaturdatys, as well as Double time on Sundays. BTW, did you hear that a pile of rocket launchers were stolen from the Aussie Army and sold to...well... no body knows. Only one has been recovered. Now you can see why there's a 'no PC" attitude here from the politicians. Of course, we don't have a woman as PM either. :shutup:

[Laava]

I like the fact that I live in a country that is prepared to take major steps to address wrongs done in the past and that may include the poor fucks that got showered in the yanks dirty fuckin chemicals during the Vietnam war. We are a progressive country and other than all the PC bullshit that I hate, I'm proud to be a Kiwi over any other country that I know.[ Wipes tears from eyes and takes hand from over heart] There is a place for non PC too but that aussie speech was a bit strong I thought.

[SixPackBack]

Some reassurance to the general [i.e moderate] Muslim population would have been in order IMO. Bunching all Muslims together with the nutty bunch is less than accurate.

In my experience the average Muslim within N.Z does not condone violence in any form. I have meet some good ones, in fact I have yet to meet one I dislike. The politicians within Oz are not helping matters with vote grabing red neck comments, and while they may have a point, there collective ability to manage radicals and educate the general populace is left wanting.

[BarBender]

I posted this in another thread, but thought it worth is own thread too.

Im a firm believer that if you move to a country, you live by the laws they set and if you dont like it, then you can just get the fuck out of there. Im glad Australia is standing up for itself and telling those PC artists where to go.

Good on ya Australia, now if we could only get the NZ govt to adopt the same attitude.

Interesting that you should titled the thread - "Australia Stands Up For Itself."
IMHO - I read the 'article' you supplied as "Liberal Party Leadership Games Begin - Australian Federal Treasurer Comments on Muslims and PM Jumps on the Bandwagon."

[Sniper]

IMHO - I read the 'article' you supplied as "Liberal Party Leadership Games Begin - Australian Federal Treasurer Comments on Muslims and PM Jumps on the Bandwagon."

World of media, making up titles to make the article seem like a praise of a dig.

[peanuteater]

Makes me wonder where the hell this countries going wrong-at least aussies have the balls not to pamper to every minority group, perhaps is why this country is showing cracks in healthcare etc, was an article in the paper a few months back, about hot good old N.Z. gave a few million in aid annualy to some small country, thing was, it worked out to be $13000 for every citizen in that country !!
should make sure there own house is in order first.

[jtzzr]

[QUOTE=Sniper;895939]I posted this in another thread, but thought it worth is own thread too.

Im a firm believer that if you move to a country, you live by the laws they set and if you dont like it, then you can just get the fuck out of there.


I agree wholeheartedly :dodge:

[peanuteater]

Yep, if you want to be a foriener in another country, and like the place enough to live there, go by there rules-do your own thing by all means, but dont try to change there ways to fit. !!

[Timber020]

This is just john howards government spouting shit to help hide the fact that hes screwed up with iraq and get the rednecks on side.

I can see how this is appealing to alot of the population, the PC bullshit gets on my wick but there was alot of jealousy of outside nations when they saw Hiter have the balls to make laws against the Jews, Gypsys, handicapped, communists and etc. This is the government in the eyes of many racist and ignorant yobos, saying its okay to target certain areas of the population that doesnt fit in.

Austrailias perception of past, present and future is predominantly written on fresh WHITE paper. Racial harmony over there means everyone living in different suburbs, which just makes things worse.

They are a huge geographical mass rich in minerals with a relatively small population, thats what makes them the lucky country.
Without that luck, they would be royaly screwed

[davereid]

I think the problem may be extremists and crusaders of any kind - religious, political, cultural, safety.

Basically anyone with firm opinions about how I will live my life, and a belief that they have a special right to use force to save me.

[sexy beast]

if you guys like him and his policy so much, why don't you just move to Australia?

No?

I thought so......


EXACTLY!!!!

[Dai]

Bollocks its for the rednecks.

...

Steam - your open society is a dream. Try going to an Islamic country and saying they should tolerate your lifestyle - you'd be hanged by lunchtime.
...

For example;

In Saudi Arabia it is illegal to have a Christian church, but they expect a mosque wherever the think they should have one. If they are not allowed they cry diiscrimination on religious grounds.

Hypocracy and double standards here i THINK.

[Dai]

I like the fact that I live in a country that is prepared to take major steps to address wrongs done in the past and that may include the poor fucks that got showered in the yanks dirty fuckin chemicals during the Vietnam war. We are a progressive country and other than all the PC bullshit that I hate, I'm proud to be a Kiwi over any other country that I know.[ Wipes tears from eyes and takes hand from over heart] There is a place for non PC too but that aussie speech was a bit strong I thought.

What a load of ...

My father was one of those so called "poor fucks". He died 6 years ago at the age of 68 with major respiratory problems.

Is my mother getting anything, like fuck.

Those reperations they are giving are so restricted that something like only 100 people are going to get anything. Thats from 10 years over there with literally thousands of NZ soldiers having served.

Its not even our governments money. The USA paid this to the NZ gov years ago to be paid out to the Vetnam vets and NZ is trying to keep as much as they can for themselves.

Dont talk about a caring, progressive gov here in NZ. Its the same as every other gov. Looking after its own arse above everything and dominating those sheep that follow.

We used to be world leaders in social welfare for our populace, now we are no better than a lot of 3rd world countries.

If our country is so progressive and caring then answer me this,

WHat exactly do we get for the taxes we pay to them?

A health service? What a joke.
Better roads and transport systems? a Farce
An effective police force? Self funding through fines now
The armed Services? Even more of a joke
Education? Dont even start me on this one

All I can see is a gov that gives away our taxes by signing stupid agrrements.
Supports development in other countries at the detriment of ours.
More Beaurocrats to bolster the gov ego.

This isnt just the party in power now (why do they call it POWER), but every party now in the system. They are all just feathering their own nests.

I belong tho the most heavily taxed and least represented group in the country, I'm of European decent, male, hetrosexual, employed and middle class.

A caring govenment here is a load of fucking bollocks.

[Ixion]

Took 40 odd years of fighting against a savage, ruthless , ideologically driven enemy, vastly wealthier and better equipped , for the Vietnam veterans to win even that grudging admission from their enemy, the NZ government, and a token compensation for a few.

Thanks, but small thanks.

Don't even start me on the ICI firemen.

Anyone who imagines that any NZ govenment in the last 30 years has been in any way caring progressive humanitarian or just, or in any way interested in righting past worngs (unless at someone elses expense), needs to take a deep breath and open their eyes. You have nothing to lose but illusions.

[Deviant Esq]

if you guys like him and his policy so much, why don't you just move to Australia?

No?

I thought so......


Not so much that we like him or his policy, it's too much of a hard line approach to take over here. Most of us love New Zealand and don't want to move to Australia. The trouble is, there seems so many things Australia's government is doing better than ours. Taxes are lower, wages are higher. It's really no surprise there's a steady stream of disgruntled Kiwis leaving to look for a better life in Australia, and JH's speech voiced things that have been getting under our skins recently. I'd rather had a government that stands up for the nation, even though the speech was a bit extreme.

Special allowances are being made for muslims, like their own public places of worship and it seems special swimming pools just for muslims as well. What's wrong with going to our swimming pools? Too many icky christians in them? I like this line in JH's speech: "We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

I don't think special allowances should be made to make an incumbant religious group happy. They've chosen to move over here, and in doing so they accept New Zealand as home. Then they try ty change it to make it more like their old home. The government should be concentrating more on keeping Kiwis happy. But! I hear you say, the government has been voted in by New Zealanders. Ah, has it? Labour has never gained 50% of the vote in the last few elections. The only way it's been in has been by coalitions. We didn't elect three parties to join forces just so Labour could govern, did we?

Bah, politics, I'm getting off topic.
I apologise for the rant, but it's an issue that fucks me off. We vote them in based on their policies (not that I voted Labour!), and then laws get passed through government the public weren't given a say in. Especially those who didn't even vote for the current shambles.

[Marmoot]

I saw some comments in this thread from other posters saying "if you want to stay, get on with it. If you don't like it here, get the f**k out"

Well, if some don't like what we are having in here and you like John Howard's approach better, then shouldn't they get the f**k out?
Stop groaning and take some action. Australia is beckoning.....Where the bloody hell are you?

Don't want to get out and want this country to change instead?
I thought so.....just the same as those radicals :yes:

[Swoop]

Of course, we don't have a woman as PM either.
You can have ours... FREE! (No brain included since there was never one installed by the manufacturer...)
We'll even throw in a set of ginzu steak knives! Send NO money now.
I'll personally cover the shipping costs!

PLEASE take the bitch!!!

[Laava]

What a load of ...

My father was one of those so called "poor fucks". He died 6 years ago at the age of 68 with major respiratory problems.

Is my mother getting anything, like fuck.

Those reperations they are giving are so restricted that something like only 100 people are going to get anything. Thats from 10 years over there with literally thousands of NZ soldiers having served.

Its not even our governments money. The USA paid this to the NZ gov years ago to be paid out to the Vetnam vets and NZ is trying to keep as much as they can for themselves.

Dont talk about a caring, progressive gov here in NZ. Its the same as every other gov. Looking after its own arse above everything and dominating those sheep that follow.

We used to be world leaders in social welfare for our populace, now we are no better than a lot of 3rd world countries

Mate, you must have been reading with one eye shut.:msn-wink: I said 'may' include vets. I know as well as anyone that almost no compensation has been paid out, and any that does will most likely be too little too late. Sorry about your Dad, I have a friend with a nasty skin problem as a result, so I'm not ignorant of what people have to suffer. I also am not naive enough to call our governments progressive but I believe as a 'country' on the whole, we are. Also, I have been to many 3rd world countries including Egypt and Israel, and I believe this is the land of milk and honey, in comparison.

[Dai]

....., I have been to many 3rd world countries including Egypt and Israel, and I believe this is the land of milk and honey, in comparison.

Sore point touched.

In comparrison to those other countries yes this one is good, but it is capable of being so much better.

Been away for 25 years before coming home 4 years ago.

The whole time away I missed this place terribly.