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Panther
14th January 2007, 09:38
this one time, at boy scout camp.......

i bought a 2000 cbr6 on friday. road it up the street an back. I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT LICENCE SO DONT RIDE IT On THE ROAD, then around manfield a few times on saturday.

im pretty slow so went out in the slow group. next person to overtake me up the inside going around a corner will get slashed tyres.

karma got the koon on the repsol who came out an carved up slow group. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA low side.

(kiwifruits mum) gave me a maddddd tank slapper when she stopped going through splash to check her eye lash extensions were stil curling properly, but casue im so good i didnt crash. i rode it out.

then went back to andys an had a bourbon beer a rum. what a good cunt.

Crasherfromwayback
14th January 2007, 09:43
what's wrong with a (as long as it is) clean up the inside pass?
Are you not supposed to do it in the slower groups?

Panther
14th January 2007, 09:49
what's wrong with a (as long as it is) clean up the inside pass?
Are you not supposed to do it in the slower groups?

in the slow group you wouldnt expect guys on repsols/gsxr thous trying to hit race pace when they cant ride proper an go up the inside of you but then taking your line out cause they are to scared to lean there bikes over a bit, forcing you wide. once said crashed repsol rider was confirmed alive, a few people had a quiet snigger when his bike got trailored back in.

same with the front end charlie guy. what is the point? if your going a lot faster tha the majority of the group, then fuck off to another group. its why there are different groups, right?

Crasherfromwayback
14th January 2007, 09:56
in the slow group you wouldnt expect guys on repsols/gsxr thous trying to hit race pace when they cant ride proper an go up the inside of you but then taking your line out cause they are to scared to lean there bikes over a bit, forcing you wide. once said crashed repsol rider was confirmed alive, a few people had a quiet snigger when his bike got trailored back in.

same with the front end charlie guy. what is the point? if your going a lot faster tha the majority of the group, then fuck off to another group. its why there are different groups, right?

Yep....but there will always be tossbags that feel they're really 'doing' it by carving up the poor people simply out for a good time....it's a shame.

They're generally the same twats that pass cars on blind corners on the street to show us all how fast they are....

Hope this helps.... if you find yourself sharing the track with these twats.....try and ride really tight lines to give them no option other than to go around the outside.

ajturbo
14th January 2007, 10:50
you made my day matey......


aks ME to show you around a track that i had been on only twice before... yer i am the MAN... move over rossi ya tosser!
( i could hardly stand up from laughing so much....i had these vissions of you following me wobbling like i do... taking 7 lines around each corner)

NOTE:...
must get MORE bourbon and RUM ... some buggers drank it ALL....
what are friends for eh?
hey, found one beer left this morning ya pussies:done:

Karma
14th January 2007, 10:52
They're generally the same twats that pass cars on blind corners on the street to show us all how fast they are....


Hey!! I wasn't even there!

limbimtimwim
14th January 2007, 12:55
Virtual tissues for you

kiwifruit
14th January 2007, 13:02
(kiwifruits mum) gave me a maddddd tank slapper when she stopped going through splash to check her eye lash extensions were stil curling properly, but casue im so good i didnt crash. i rode it out.


how could she give you a tank slapper?
surely that was a result of your inputs on the controls?

Riff Raff
14th January 2007, 14:38
Hey Sally, I found a bag containing your missing spelling, grammer and punctuation. Do you want it back for your next post? :devil2:

Swoop
14th January 2007, 14:48
Hey Sally, I found a bag containing your missing spelling, grammer and punctuation. Do you want it back for your next post? :devil2:
The "grammar" dropped out of the bag...

boomer
14th January 2007, 14:51
how could she give you a tank slapper?
surely that was a result of your inputs on the controls?


ahh.. that explains a lot..she gave me a flat tyre too...!!! :angry:

ahahahahaa

R6_kid
14th January 2007, 15:20
how could she give you a tank slapper?
surely that was a result of your inputs on the controls?

rofl... shes blonde, giver her a break.

i need to have words with your mum dude, my bike aint fuelling right, my clutch is slipping, and i cant do wheelies for shit... gonna slash that bitches tyres man!

White trash
15th January 2007, 09:29
what's wrong with a (as long as it is) clean up the inside pass?
Are you not supposed to do it in the slower groups?

No mate. In this crazy, fucked up, PC world, you're NOT allowed to overtake on the inside at trackdays now.

Seems we've got to hold peoples hands the whole way 'round now.

Way i see it, if you wanna do a trackday, expect to get overtaken.

SlowHand
15th January 2007, 09:36
Dang. I do own a girl's bike... :shit:

limbimtimwim
15th January 2007, 09:39
No mate. In this crazy, fucked up, PC world, you're NOT allowed to overtake on the inside at trackdays now.
Seems we've got to hold peoples hands the whole way 'round now.
Way i see it, if you wanna do a trackday, expect to get overtaken.You gotta cut those in the slow group some slack though. You can see some are already intimidated by the machine they are on, giving them the shits by passing on the inside into a corner isn't really fair.

But if you move out of the slow group, you should be ready for more aggressive moves.

Sparky Bills
15th January 2007, 09:59
There were some real wankers in that slow group, bitching about people going too slow!?

As if they were the best riders out there!
But hey..
Its always going to be the same.
You gotta start somewhere. i mean, i started in the slow group. And now look at me... Im the best rider of all time!:innocent:

ajturbo
15th January 2007, 10:02
how could she give you a tank slapper?
surely that was a result of your inputs on the controls?
it was your mum.. i saw it from behind....... well i was watching the bike...! the BIKES i tell ya... there it was your mum caused sallo's bike to tank slap... i see you showed your mum EVERYTHING you know...
hahahha.. na sallo just came it a bit tooo quick.. and found that the brakes work funny when you are leaning over and suddenly aply them...

ajturbo
15th January 2007, 10:06
There were some real wankers in that slow group, bitching about people going too slow!?

As if they were the best riders out there!
But hey..
Its always going to be the same.
You gotta start somewhere. i mean, i started in the slow group. And now look at me... Im the best rider of all time!:innocent:

yer they were ALL going to slow for me... i realy should have moved up a couple of groups....
but then all i would have heard in the pits is the bitchin about how some tosser on a 125 cut you up on the sweeper:done: :scooter: :rockon:

kiwifruit
15th January 2007, 10:07
:nono: :Oi: :mad:

*defends Mother with life*

Kickaha
15th January 2007, 10:16
There were some real wankers in that slow group, bitching about people going too slow!?


If they're bitching about people being to slow they should be moved up a group



No mate. In this crazy, fucked up, PC world, you're NOT allowed to overtake on the inside at trackdays now.

is that in all groups? you wouldn't be fast enough to pass anyone anyway :bleh:

Crasherfromwayback
15th January 2007, 10:17
No mate. In this crazy, fucked up, PC world, you're NOT allowed to overtake on the inside at trackdays now.

Seems we've got to hold peoples hands the whole way 'round now.

Way i see it, if you wanna do a trackday, expect to get overtaken.

I can fully apreciate that they may well get intimidated and spooked pretty easily, and it's only fair to give them plenty of room......but as you say.....for fucks sake!

Surely if you don't want to overtake etc....you could go on a Ulysses run or something....mind you....some of those people really honk along!

ajturbo
15th January 2007, 12:20
:nono: :Oi: :mad:

*defends Mother with life*
hahah.. na matey she was great out there.. go and ask her, we had LOTS of fun (her and i).. trading places meany times...(apart from the straights)....

sallo just came in a bit hot and had a bit of a "wooooops...fug that was fun... NOT, moment)

all cool matey

Fatjim
15th January 2007, 12:26
The slow group was also called the novice group. Get it?

Where do people who ride in the fast/race group get off criticizing those who ride in the slow group. They're meant to be slow and scared. Most of them haven't been on a track before and some of them even get worried on group rides. Some of them are even girls!

Skunk
15th January 2007, 12:40
Slow/novice group was no passing on the inside.

Slow and medium had a lead rider that you couldn't pass. If you caught him you should move up a group.

I was in the slow group on my bucket and got blocked on most corners by slow riders... but that's to be expected and I never complained about it, just commented on it. I expect to have to give way to slower/novice riders at a trackday not carve them up. On a race day it's a different story. :)

Panther
15th January 2007, 15:14
The slow group was also called the novice group. Get it?

Where do people who ride in the fast/race group get off criticizing those who ride in the slow group. They're meant to be slow and scared. Most of them haven't been on a track before and some of them even get worried on group rides. Some of them are even girls!

you're the cu^t who put tomato sauce all over my bike!!!

limbimtimwim
15th January 2007, 15:39
The slow group was also called the novice group. Get it?
Where do people who ride in the fast/race group get off criticizing those who ride in the slow group. They're meant to be slow and scared. Most of them haven't been on a track before and some of them even get worried on group rides. Easy big boy, I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting that people wanting to be in the slow group should bugger off/harden up.

Despite her munted rave in pigeon english, sallo is quite right to be a annoyed if she was persistently being cut up by others in the slow group.

Kendog
15th January 2007, 15:45
There were some real wankers in that slow group, bitching about people going too slow!?

That is pretty disappointing really. What do they expect the pace to be in a group called the 'Slow' group!

I think the genuine novice riders did really well on Saturday, the slow group was way faster than last years slow group (from my memory) and it can be very intimidating being passed on the inside on a corner.

I can understand riders wanting more track time so ride in multiple groups, but if you are riding in the slow group then there has to be some concessions made, like you say we all gotta start somewhere.

Panther
15th January 2007, 16:01
my street fightered (almost) 600

gijoe1313
15th January 2007, 16:06
Cheez whizz girl! Thats a nice bike - so when do you qualify to ride it legally? :yes: Sounds like you had fun :woohoo: moments and :shit: moments, but at least you kept it all rubber side down (not withstanding inside passers!)

Have fun coming to grips with the new beastie! :scooter:

Satch
15th January 2007, 16:49
Dang. I do own a girl's bike... :shit:

nah you dont! does this look like a girls bike??

not once did it get called one thats for sure!

Sparky Bills
15th January 2007, 17:04
That is pretty disappointing really. What do they expect the pace to be in a group called the 'Slow' group!




Thats exactly my point.
However was great to see so many first timers out there too!
Track riding is getting very popular in this country. Im stoked to see it!

Sparky Bills
15th January 2007, 17:06
yer they were ALL going to slow for me... i realy should have moved up a couple of groups....
but then all i would have heard in the pits is the bitchin about how some tosser on a 125 cut you up on the sweeper:done: :scooter: :rockon:


Steady on mate!
Thats so long as you had someone to push that poor thing to start it aye:innocent:

Fatjim
15th January 2007, 18:56
you're the cu^t who put tomato sauce all over my bike!!!

Hey it's stretching a bit to call that muck tomato sauce.

Trudes
15th January 2007, 19:24
Ok, I was the slowest of the slow group, and I plainly heard that in the slow/novice group, there was to be no 'carving people up on the inside'. I took this as I should be able to ride on the track at my own pace without someone overtaking me on the inside and should hence be able to pick my own lines and cut down as close to the inside as I like without endangering myself or cutting anyone off as they try to pass me, they should be on the outside of me.
How wrong I was.
It didn't really worry me, just made me aware that at any point someone may try to squeeze past me on the inside and for the whole day I changed my lines so if someone was doing that they may have room to do so.
If anyone had a problem with how slow I was going, they should have told me to my face that I needed to go faster, too bad that I may have then crashed or put someone else in danger by going faster. I paid my money and don't recall being told that I had to go at a certain speed. I also recall it being said that it was not a race day or a speed test, but a day to practice stuff that I do on the road, which is how I rode, and it's been a while now that I've had a car up my arse wishing I would hurry up.
I'm happy with how I rode on the track, I rode safely, I'm sorry if you got stuck behind me, (somehow it matters too that I ride a 900 and was getting passed by people on smaller bikes, I don't give a flying fuck how big my bike is or how big your bike isn't, it doesn't mean I have to ride it any faster!) a good rider should have been able to get around me piece of piss as I didn't hurtle down the straights so fast that people couldn't pass me there either. If you're that good of a rider that the slow group was too slow for you, then harden up and fuck off to a faster group, there wasn't a slower group for me to go to.
Rant over and out.:dodge: Cheers.

White trash
15th January 2007, 19:48
I'm understanding all this, but when I first started doing trackdays, there were no "passing" rules. Slow/Fast whatever. If you were passing, you had to do it safely.

Then, somone said "No passing on the inside for the slow group", Ohhhh-kaaaay, I can see the logic but NOW, at the GSXR only day (which by the way was the most stunning trackday I've ever attended), we are told.

"NO PASSING ON THE INSIDE" Full Stop.

What?

Karma
15th January 2007, 19:50
"NO PASSING ON THE INSIDE" Full Stop.

What?

If you're man enough to move outta the slow group, then you're man enough to handle someone passing on the inside.

limbimtimwim
15th January 2007, 19:59
Then, somone said "No passing on the inside for the slow group", Ohhhh-kaaaay, I can see the logic but NOW, at the GSXR only day (which by the way was the most stunning trackday I've ever attended), we are told."NO PASSING ON THE INSIDE" Full Stop. What?Really?!? That's no fun. Did anyone actually obey that in the fast group(s)? One of the best moments from saturday for me was being passed masterfully on the inside into turn 1 by the guy on the identical gsxr as mine. That looked bloody awesome from my point of view, his knee skimming the ground. I would have clapped but I was too busy going around the same corner and trying to catch him.

Str8 Jacket
15th January 2007, 20:04
Some of them are even girls!

At least us "girls" remember to have a full tank of gas before they get on the track.... :dodge:

Flyno
15th January 2007, 20:12
if people are going to cut you up in slow group they should have a taste of race pace, they will shit bricks with us guys taking any gap to pass, those wankers that are in a class that go and cause havovk can go. no need for them!

phantom
15th January 2007, 20:42
Ok, I was the slowest of the slow group,

I am sure I was slower and am sure some of the quicker slow ones would have preferred I wasn't there but I was concentrating on travelling at a pace that myself and my bike of advanced years with shit brakes , tyres and suspension could cope with. I paid my money and had my fun. Didn't feel particularly intimidated by the quicker riders but in a previous life raced in a completely different discipline and new that if you wanted to pass someone it was up to the person doing the passing that had to change their line as long as the person being passed didn't deliberately block you.

Loved the old BSA race bike, that had class:rockon:

R6_kid
15th January 2007, 20:43
"NO PASSING ON THE INSIDE" Full Stop.

What?

would seem that the motards at the trackdays i've been to dont know that rule, so you just scare the fuck out of them and go inside them knee down... shows them who the crazy fucker is.


my street fightered (almost) 600
looks like its just been crashed to me

boomer
15th January 2007, 20:45
If you're man enough to move outta the slow group, then you're man enough to handle someone passing on the inside.

and you'd know this how??

I know the rules have changed from a few years ago, BUT if the rules state no passing in slow/medium on the inside then surely people should respect this?

I nearly hit arpu at taupo for doing it to me on the hairpin.. but the fact that he out braked himself and ran off the track was enough happy joy joy for him to appreciate his nose the way it is for a 'bit' longer

Trudes
15th January 2007, 20:51
As I said, I don't have a problem with being overtaken on the inside, just surprised at people doing so after we had been told that it was not to be done in the slow group, surprised me how many people have hearing problems.
Was also surprised how well some people can scan the track while going at fast pace on the 'check the track' session. It was a great introduction to my first time on the track, to be lapped on my second lap, I think the speed of that would have put a lot of other less experienced riders off as a first time ever on the track, I was just lucky that I was told that the slow group wouldn't be anywhere near as fast as that!!
Please don't get me wrong, I had a ball and I would hate for these 'fun days' to become all Nazified and unfun, or worse still, too much of a bloody hassle for the organisers, as they do an awesome job, but if you are going to have rules, then maybe people need to try to abide by them so as not to ruin other people's fun or put someone else in danger for the sake of their own ego.
Sorry ranting again, I'm just feeling very passionate? after my first day back at work.:sick:

White trash
15th January 2007, 20:55
OK, for arguments sake, let's chuck the jandal on the other foot.

You're in a trackday group (it doesn't matter the pace) and you're catching somone going slower than you (but not by much). Do you A: Pass them where you believe to be a safe spot so you can get on with doing your thing or B: Follow them around at their pace in a procession?

I aggree, homos that burgle the slower groups so they can "prove" something need to be spoken to and shifted or asked to leave, but even within a slower paced group, there's going to be a difference in speed. Someone's going to get passed.

boomer
15th January 2007, 21:07
OK, for arguments sake, let's chuck the jandal on the other foot.

You're in a trackday group (it doesn't matter the pace) and you're catching somone going slower than you (but not by much). Do you A: Pass them where you believe to be a safe spot so you can get on with doing your thing or B: Follow them around at their pace in a procession?

I aggree, homos that burgle the slower groups so they can "prove" something need to be spoken to and shifted or asked to leave, but even within a slower paced group, there's going to be a difference in speed. Someone's going to get passed.

i'll bling you for the burgle comment ;)


i'll argue the point tho.. cos i can :p
a) should be the answer, cos it makes that person 'learn' the art of overtaking on a track. They learn to carry more speed through a corner or more drive out of a corner. all whilst observing strengths & weakness's OR pull in and let the fucker get half way round teh track then start again(this would piss me off though)

I'd be spewing in teh medium group if some fucker lowsided into me after being told not to undertake, i'd torch teh remains of his trike and then piss on it.

R6_kid
15th January 2007, 21:10
i agree with white trash, although of recent i have been in the 'fast' group and exempt from such rules, i did use to find that bikers with more straight line speed would 'block' the inside line, either by intent or inexperience which stopped people with more skill in the corners getting a clean pass.

How do you define passing on the inside though? This may sound stupid, but it can leading in to the corner, before the apex, at the apex or on the exit... i will generally try and get my pass sorted out before the apex, but if the guy is just going to try and nail me on the straights with his 1000cc grunt then i'll try and make a point so that it doesnt become a problem if he does manage to pass me on the straight...

of course the other more 'sensible' option is to back off and let them get ahead again, but then you lose out on your tracktime because some numpty might get upset with you 'scaring them' by passing up the inside.

For the slow group things may be different, i liked the way the manfield day was run when i attended last year, of course i was in jeans and a cordura jacket so was stuck in the slow group (plus i was slow anyway...) and didnt have any problems passing on the inside or being passed on the inside.

SlowHand
15th January 2007, 21:11
nah you dont! does this look like a girls bike??

not once did it get called one thats for sure!

I dunno, yellows a lil girly.

(and dang those are some clean wheels!)

Red's much fasterer and manly.

Trudes
15th January 2007, 21:13
As I don't have an ego and get passed by other bikes all the time, I don't have a problem with being passed, as long as it's done safely, the same consideration I try to give those that I pass. I will hang back and wait until I think it's safe to pass, even if it means I have to sit for a few minutes.

My main concern was for the blatant disregard of the rule clearly stated at the beginning of the day.
From then on I had to think twice on every corner, was someone going to come flying round on the inside where I was thinking of riding to improve my lines and learn, which is why I was there.

Next time I think I'll leave at least one of my mirrors on.

boomer
15th January 2007, 21:14
gareth, theres quite a lot of satisfaction had from doing someone (especially the fuckers that twist on the power. you know who you are ya bastard thousand riders,:p ) on teh outside,

Me, Aff & Dover got shitty with the new zx10r rider but i was proud of myself after i followed him for a lap and finally did him on the outside of a sweeper :D... gotta love THAt shit bro, even a slow cunt like me!

R6_kid
15th January 2007, 21:18
I don't have a problem with being passed, as long as it's done safely, the same consideration I try to give those that I pass.

agreed


I will hang back and wait until I think it's safe to pass, even if it means I have to sit for a few minutes.

im impatient


My main concern was for the blatant disregard of the rule clearly stated at the beginning of the day.

Rules are rules, they should be inforced otherwise there is no point in having them in the first place.


Next time I think I'll leave at least one of my mirrors on.

dont bother, it'll only slow you down.


Good to see you out and giving it a good go!

Clivoris
15th January 2007, 21:21
OK, for arguments sake, let's chuck the jandal on the other foot.

You're in a trackday group (it doesn't matter the pace) and you're catching somone going slower than you (but not by much). Do you A: Pass them where you believe to be a safe spot so you can get on with doing your thing or B: Follow them around at their pace in a procession?

I aggree, homos that burgle the slower groups so they can "prove" something need to be spoken to and shifted or asked to leave, but even within a slower paced group, there's going to be a difference in speed. Someone's going to get passed.

Gotta be "A" WT, and the burglers definitely need to be spoken to. The only problem I've seen is when the dickhead who wants to be a hero on his new GSXR1000 cuts through the slow group, grabs too much brake, loses the front end and leaves someone with lifelong head injuries (this really happened). I guess he would have done this even if there was a rule about not passing on the inside (which there wasn't). But I can't help thinking that this rule is at least an attempt to educate people about the appropriate attitude for the slow group. In the end I agree. Inside or outside, who gives a flying fuck as long as it's safe.

Trudes
15th January 2007, 21:22
Thanks R6 Kid, I can't wait till next time! At least then I'll have a better understanding of what to expect too.:sunny:

Korea
15th January 2007, 21:23
I got passed by an older woman, and on the inside no less!

She was on a mobility scooter,
I was on foot.

Maniac~!

NhuanH
15th January 2007, 21:25
OK, for arguments sake, let's chuck the jandal on the other foot.
You should ensure jandals are on both feet. Otherwise more chance of being slapped upside the head by the one you don't have on.

Karma
15th January 2007, 21:45
I dunno, yellows a lil girly.

Red's much fasterer and manly.

And yet... you seem to be riding it?


gareth, theres quite a lot of satisfaction had from doing someone (especially the fuckers that twist on the power. you know who you are ya bastard thousand riders,:p ) on teh outside,


Sorry :dodge:

Fatjim
15th January 2007, 21:50
Then, somone said "No passing on the inside for the slow group", Ohhhh-kaaaay, I can see the logic but NOW, at the GSXR only day (which by the way was the most stunning trackday I've ever attended), we are told.

"NO PASSING ON THE INSIDE" Full Stop.

What?

That sucks mate, but thats what you get with a bunch of Gixer riders. I'd have been happy with that rule for all gixer riders in all classes.

Funny, the only twat I saw, was the twat on a cbr who overtook me on the inside on the sighting laps ffs, and ran wide right onto my line, from behind. What a prise twat. Did I mention he/she was a twat?

Karma
15th January 2007, 21:53
Funny, the only twat I saw, was the twat on a cbr who overtook me on the inside on the sighting laps ffs, and ran wide right onto my line, from behind. What a prise twat. Did I mention he/she was a twat?


I'm sensing some hostility between you two, I think the best way to sort this would be with a pool full of jelly. That'd be good for a laugh.

mikey
15th January 2007, 22:07
what are you on about you stupid old slow cunt whose been over the hill, far away and back again and then back over the hill, jimmy
you couldnt pass someone up the inside if they ran off the track.

you got passed by jesus on his donkey 2007 years ago........

Beemer
15th January 2007, 22:11
If there were any passing manouvres going on that people were concerned about, did ANY OF YOU bother to tell the organisers? They have a hard enough job keeping track of all of you during the day without standing on every corner watching to make sure people obey the rules.

I've been a member of this club since 1999 and EVERYONE gets told the rules at the riders' briefing. If complaints ARE passed on to the organisers, they ARE acted on and anyone they deem to be riding in an unsafe manner is asked to leave - and trust me, it DOES happen.

I find it hard to believe that you were actually passed in an unsafe manner on the inside during the slow laps, in fact I am more of the opinion that you were slow going into a corner and someone got there before you. Would you rather they ran up your arse? I've been out in the slow laps myself and I have been passed on both the left and the right. You may have been in the wrong position - too far to the left or right for a particular corner - and someone who was riding a bit faster than you had to alter their position to ride through that corner. There is no rule against overtaking in any of the laps - you are just not allowed to overtake the leader.

If you believe you have a valid complaint, pass it on to the club president. But I would refrain from making smart comments about the guy who crashed as he happens to be one of our members. And thanks for alerting us that you are riding a CBR 600 without a valid licence, I'll be watching out for you around Levin, as will - no doubt - all the cops who read this forum!

Crasherfromwayback
15th January 2007, 22:14
OK, for arguments sake, let's chuck the jandal on the other foot.

You're in a trackday group (it doesn't matter the pace) and you're catching somone going slower than you (but not by much). Do you A: Pass them where you believe to be a safe spot so you can get on with doing your thing or B: Follow them around at their pace in a procession?

I aggree, homos that burgle the slower groups so they can "prove" something need to be spoken to and shifted or asked to leave, but even within a slower paced group, there's going to be a difference in speed. Someone's going to get passed.

For a cabbage you have a reasonable point or two mate!

I wanna know though.....if you're 'allowed' to pass in any particular group.....why they think 'up the inside' is any more dangerous than 'round the outside'?...yeah I know if some desperado locks the front they may well take you out with their sliding bike......BUT......if the same person goes outside of you....then carves you up cutting your fucking headlights off on his/her way to the apex leaving you nowhere to go other than straight into them.....what have you acheived....? Oh I know.....you've now made the innocent party the naughty 'up the inside' person!

Great.

RantyDave
15th January 2007, 22:26
i did use to find that bikers with more straight line speed would 'block' the inside line, either by intent or inexperience which stopped people with more skill in the corners getting a clean pass.
I plead guilty by reason of inexperience. By the time it became apparent exactly how crowded the track was; the fecking state of the track itself and how tightly knotted it could get, any memories of the briefing had faded and were replaced by a survival instinct.

However, in my defence I got passed on the inside myself more than once. FFS I got passed by a nutjob on a dirt bike once ... pretty low moment that was. And, yes, having heaps of straight line speed made me tend to drag race the straights and Nana the corners but ... at least I realise, right?

Hey, I have to start somewhere.

Dave

boomer
15th January 2007, 22:28
If there were any passing manouvres going on that people were concerned about, did ANY OF YOU bother to tell the organisers? They have a hard enough job keeping track of all of you during the day without standing on every corner watching to make sure people obey the rules.

I've been a member of this club since 1999 and EVERYONE gets told the rules at the riders' briefing. If complaints ARE passed on to the organisers, they ARE acted on and anyone they deem to be riding in an unsafe manner is asked to leave - and trust me, it DOES happen.

I find it hard to believe that you were actually passed in an unsafe manner on the inside during the slow laps, in fact I am more of the opinion that you were slow going into a corner and someone got there before you. Would you rather they ran up your arse? I've been out in the slow laps myself and I have been passed on both the left and the right. You may have been in the wrong position - too far to the left or right for a particular corner - and someone who was riding a bit faster than you had to alter their position to ride through that corner. There is no rule against overtaking in any of the laps - you are just not allowed to overtake the leader.

If you believe you have a valid complaint, pass it on to the club president. But I would refrain from making smart comments about the guy who crashed as he happens to be one of our members.

'Cos he's a member means he's exempt?

Wrong position??? there is no fukin wrong position on a track, well maybe the ones Cowpoos takes when he goes cross country, but any lines a good line.. almost.

you my friend are an ass.

Crasherfromwayback
15th January 2007, 22:36
I plead guilty by reason of inexperience. By the time it became apparent exactly how crowded the track was; the fecking state of the track itself and how tightly knotted it could get, any memories of the briefing had faded and were replaced by a survival instinct.


Hey, I have to start somewhere.

Dave

Way to go Dave!.....I can still remember how 'knotted' my stomach was on my first foray onto a race track.....

That Speed Four of your's must be a real hoot to ride round Manfeild.

Crasherfromwayback
15th January 2007, 22:41
you my friend are an ass.

That's a bit rough mate!

I'm sure you'll find 'Beemer' is/was trying to help!

And people in the organising clubs are unsung heros....it's no easy job mate.....

boomer
15th January 2007, 22:47
That's a bit rough mate!

I'm sure you'll find 'Beemer' is/was trying to help!

And people in the organising clubs are unsung heros....it's no easy job mate.....

no doubt they do a great job , however i thought i was the master of 'obnoxious' , this bloke just put me to shame.



...I find it hard to believe that you were actually passed in an unsafe manner...
...Would you rather they ran up your arse?
...You may have been in the wrong position..
..But I would refrain from making smart comments about the guy who crashed as he happens to be one of our members.

Crasherfromwayback
15th January 2007, 22:56
no doubt they do a great job , however i thought i was the master of 'obnoxious' , this bloke just put me to shame.

Indeed they do....and often for no more than the love of motorcycles.

can't agree with you on that bit though.....as for starters...that 'bloke' is a woman. And a well meaning one too.....

boomer
15th January 2007, 23:00
Indeed they do....and often for no more than the love of motorcycles.

can't agree with you on that bit though.....as for starters...that 'bloke' is a woman. And a well meaning one too.....


In that case, she's a horses ass :p

RantyDave
15th January 2007, 23:02
That Speed Four of your's must be a real hoot to ride round Manfeild.
Ahhh, we're getting there. I'm too slow into corners, far too slow round them and seem to exit well provided I've gone round in the right gear. The exit from turn six (six? right hander at the far side of the field) was absolutely glorious though.

Roll on the 4th March.

Dave

Beemer
15th January 2007, 23:07
'Cos he's a member means he's exempt?

Wrong position??? there is no fukin wrong position on a track, well maybe the ones Cowpoos takes when he goes cross country, but any lines a good line.. almost.

you my friend are an ass.

Excuse me, but it seems I am not the only one who very much doubts the accuracy of Sallo's recollection of events, and no matter what, making smart arsed comments about people who crash, no matter who they are, is pathetic.

Perhaps Sallo (is it missing the 'w'?), seeing as she apparently lives in Levin, would like to join the CDMTCI and put in the hard yards required to run an event like this. Or perhaps she would rather come here and whinge rather than taking her concerns up with the organisers, ON THE DAY. It's a bit pointless coming on a forum like this, days after the event, and moaning that someone did something wrong. If she had approached any of the club members ON THE DAY and raised her concerns, they could have been addressed.

And, this is MY personal opinion only, and not that of the club, but I think she's full of shit.

boomer
15th January 2007, 23:16
You're a fiesty wee one, i'd hazard a guess at you being germanian by descent. cheers for the red rep and comment ;) wanna buy my xbox360.. cheap??

Beemer
15th January 2007, 23:24
You're a fiesty wee one, i'd hazard a guess at you being germanian by descent. cheers for the red rep and comment ;) wanna buy my xbox360.. cheap??

Nope, not Germanian, Welsh actually. But whatever my background, I get extremely pissed off at people criticising our club when it takes a shit load of work to put together one of these days, for YOUR enjoyment. No one is perfect and we can't be expected to prevent every person from doing a dodgy manouevre - but if we are informed about it ON THE DAY, you can bet your arse we will take it seriously and follow it up.

If Sallo IS telling the truth, then maybe whoever allegedly passed her on the inside did it to someone else. If all these people had mentioned it, this person could have been spoken to - see where I'm going with this? We can't act if we are unaware there is a problem.

And if said Repsol rider was the one she is complaining about, trust me, member or not, he would have been spoken to. Whatever caused him to crash, sniggering about his misfortune, especially on a forum like this, is not appreciated and I am sure if any of you knew him personally you would be the first to stick up for him.

Crasherfromwayback
15th January 2007, 23:39
Ahhh, we're getting there. I'm too slow into corners, far too slow round them and seem to exit well provided I've gone round in the right gear. The exit from turn six (six? right hander at the far side of the field) was absolutely glorious though.

Roll on the 4th March.

Dave

Well the fact that you know where you're going wrong means there's every hope of getting it right soon mate!

Next time you're in the shop....come and see me....I'll draw you a wee map of where you wanna be-when on the track....

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 00:18
What a bunch of whining babies, like Beemer said (well said lady) - did anyone actually report anything?? Do you all think organising trackdays (riders, marshalls, ambulances, insurance, props, etc) and securing the venue through advance payment are easily done?

Or is this the usual current KB lets pick on someone sob session??

Yes, there are levels of passing and the slow group is for novices. There are even some riders there with learner licenses and mere months riding perhaps only commuting experience; usually passing is limited to the straights.

The medium group usually pass on the outside only, however the front of the group is a bit more aggressive.

The fast group - it's all fun and games and usually people only hurt themselves.

Now all this is old news.......despite what the rules say we all know what happens in the real world.....so why the debate??.......:zzzz:

It's also real funny how all the relative newbies here are making fun of the track veterans......:innocent:

I'm not saying I'm a saint and I don't care about passing or being passed as long as I feel it is safe. Sometimes I get it wrong and anger others, having said that some of us don't go to track days for their social aspects - we go there to go push ourselves. Remember the waiver you sign when you get your sticker?? It's no coincidence you sign that piece of paper.

Try being passed mere inches on either side by racers (on a trackday at pretty much race pace) doing over 200kmph in the Jennian home sweeper while you're already on your limit close to 200kmph at your personal max lean angle. It's part of the fun and the rush of being out there.

Get used to it or go have a word with the person, he or she may not know how insecure you were with their behaviour. Don't moan like a donkey on heat on a forum populated by people interested in what seems less and less with bikes and more with being politically correct, conformist, whiners.

Kendog
16th January 2007, 05:56
I find it hard to believe that you were actually passed in an unsafe manner on the inside during the slow laps, in fact I am more of the opinion that you were slow going into a corner and someone got there before you. How do you know????


There is no rule against overtaking in any of the laps - you are just not allowed to overtake the leader.

Bullshit, the rules were stated at the beginning of the day, that is the point.
Where you even at the track day?


Excuse me, but it seems I am not the only one who very much doubts the accuracy of Sallo's recollection of events

It is her recollection none the less. I know of two others that had similar experiences, one being me with someone almost hitting me as my line was about to hit the apex (at least the apex I had planned) of the last turn onto pit straight. He had dived right down the inside in my blind spot.


would like to join the CDMTCI and put in the hard yards required to run an event like this.

I don't think this post in any way is aimed at the organisers who did do a fantastic job, often thankless but very much appreciated.


It's a bit pointless coming on a forum like this, days after the event, and moaning that someone did something wrong.

I agree with a lot of comments about making concerns known on the day. But like it or not this forum is another means of expressing any concerns which is not pointless.
The organisers read this stuff (I hope) and so too a lot of other riders who may be thinking about attending a track day. The more information out there the better.

Trudes
16th January 2007, 07:04
I would just like to say that I personally am not intentionally having a whine, just stating what happened, and I'm not usually one to go running off to the teacher every time someone pulls my pigtails.
If I had reported every person who undertook me on Saturday, I'm pretty sure I would have been on the track with three other people (obviously the ones that heard the rules) (actually, that would have been quite nice, if a bit boring).
Honestly I couldn't tell you who passed me how, although I do remember some of the more considerate ones, as I didn't give enough of a shit to think 'oh that asshole on that ..... just passed me again'.
We were also told that it is the overtaker's responsibility to overtake carefully and safely, not the overtakee to change their lines or ride so people can pass them.

Anyway, :whocares: this is getting boring, go do some work you useless bums! :sunny:

White trash
16th January 2007, 07:52
OK, both jandals on both feet this time.

I'm obeying the "rules" because I'm not allowed to overtake round the outside, and the wobbly person who's not very comfortable, sees a bike to their outside, freaks out, grabs a fist full of picks and slides into me.

Am I then allowed to beat the shit outta them and torch the remains of their bike Boomer?

Beemer
16th January 2007, 08:52
I would just like to say that I personally am not intentionally having a whine, just stating what happened, and I'm not usually one to go running off to the teacher every time someone pulls my pigtails.
If I had reported every person who undertook me on Saturday, I'm pretty sure I would have been on the track with three other people (obviously the ones that heard the rules) (actually, that would have been quite nice, if a bit boring).
Honestly I couldn't tell you who passed me how, although I do remember some of the more considerate ones, as I didn't give enough of a shit to think 'oh that asshole on that ..... just passed me again'.
We were also told that it is the overtaker's responsibility to overtake carefully and safely, not the overtakee to change their lines or ride so people can pass them.

Anyway, :whocares: this is getting boring, go do some work you useless bums! :sunny:

Right, let me clarify a few things - NO, I wasn't at our track day on this occasion because I had a prior engagement. Usually you are allowed to overtake in any of the sessions - you are just NOT allowed to overtake the person leading each session, who is always wearing a reflective safety vest. Obviously this year it was decided that there would be no overtaking in the slow laps, which is fine, and as people have stated here, it WAS mentioned at the riders' briefing. Therefore, as everyone in the slow laps was aware of that rule, you can be damned sure that if any of you who say you were overtaken had bothered to bring this to the attention of the organisers (it's not like you had to identify every rider who overtook you), this rule would have been mentioned again at the start of the next session and people would have been keeping an eye out for anyone breaking the rule. The fact that NOT ONE of you bothered to mention this means you forfeit the right to complain about it later. Rest assured, any offenders would have been left in no doubt that they would be asked to leave if they had not obeyed the rules. It's not just YOUR arses on the line at these track days, it's ours too.

And with regards to Sallo's comment about why have the "front end charlie" going at a much faster pace than the rest of the riders and why didn't he fuck off into a faster class, I am assuming she means the CDMTCI member leading the laps? If so, it is his job to LEAD the laps, so of course he will be going faster than the rest of the riders, who are then able to go at any pace they feel comfortable with, as long as they don't pass HIM. The laps are usually led at not much more than the open road limit to allow novices to go a little faster than they can on the road. If he led them at 100kph or less, he would end up with a huge bunch of riders right on his tail, all complaining that they thought the whole point of a track day was to go a bit faster and have a bit of a play on a race track.

If there were that many people overtaking in the slow laps when they had been told not to, then this is an issue that definitely should have been raised with the organisers ON THE DAY. I would place money on this being stressed and monitored closely at subsequent track days.

And thank you to all of you who have supported my stance on this matter. As a club, we try our best to host events like this and they have always been well patronised and enjoyable for riders. We go to great lengths to ensure we have marshalls, ambulance staff, crash rescue, etc and it does cost a lot to do it right. If it rains on the day and hardly anyone turns up, we would have to wear the loss.

But I cannot stress strongly enough that we are unable to act on any complaints of dangerous or stupid behaviour AFTER the event. If these two (and any others who were similarly pissed off) had raised their concerns with ANY of our club members ON THE DAY, they would have been taken seriously and dealt with. We all know what it's like to be a scared learner and we want to encourage people to increase their skills, not put them off returning. Maybe Sallo could bring her mum along to the next track day so she could speak up on her behalf if there are any problems.

boomer
16th January 2007, 08:56
What a bunch of whining babies....
Yes, there are levels of passing and the slow group is for novices. There are even some riders there with learner licenses and mere months riding perhaps only commuting experience; usually passing is limited to the straights.

The medium group usually pass on the outside only, however the front of the group is a bit more aggressive.

thats why you're an idjiot, you DON't listen..FULLSTOP.


NO UNDERTAKING IN SLOW OR MEDIUM GROUPS!!!!


OK, both jandals on both feet this time.

I'm obeying the "rules" because I'm not allowed to overtake round the outside, and the wobbly person who's not very comfortable, sees a bike to their outside, freaks out, grabs a fist full of picks and slides into me.

Am I then allowed to beat the shit outta them and torch the remains of their bike Boomer?

agreed mate, there's lots of scenarios that can pan out, from my perspective the slow, medium & fast groups should be utilised as follows.
ANYONE unsure, wobbly or a novice should go slow or medium. ANYONE who can ride a bike competantly should go fast group. Yes this would feck the fast group of but they at least know they can pass without having to worry about what theyre trying to do.

we could argiue this forever, the organisers make it quite clear.. well for some huh JSG, that undertaking is NOT allowed for what ever reason in anything BUt teh fast groups.. this should be adhered to.

and you wouldn't be the first to piss on ma bike Jimmy

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 09:04
OK, both jandals on both feet this time.

I'm obeying the "rules" because I'm not allowed to overtake round the outside, and the wobbly person who's not very comfortable, sees a bike to their outside, freaks out, grabs a fist full of picks and slides into me.

Am I then allowed to beat the shit outta them and torch the remains of their bike Boomer?


No, only Dunkey is allowed to beat people up, he suffers from pent up aggression caused by the adversities in life he faces by being a pussy homo.

Do not be alarmed by this as his pussy homo’ness renders him unable to cause any lasting damage to others since he is a weak little chimp, who likes nothing more than eating “bananas”.

However, being a pussy homo he wont take no for an answer and always tries to prove himself by brandishing masculine challenges to others in the hope that they may bring some much needed normalcy to his queer life.

Dunkey – if you don’t understand what I’ve said ask your mentor His High and Drunkeness “The Dover” to translate.

boomer
16th January 2007, 09:12
No, only Dunkey is allowed to beat people up, he suffers from pent up aggression caused by the adversities in life he faces by being a pussy homo.

Do not be alarmed by this as his pussy homo’ness renders him unable to cause any lasting damage to others since he is a weak little chimp, who likes nothing more than eating “bananas”.

However, being a pussy homo he wont take no for an answer and always tries to prove himself by brandishing masculine challenges to others in the hope that they may bring some much needed normalcy to his queer life.

Dunkey – if you don’t understand what I’ve said ask your mentor His High and Drunkeness “The Dover” to translate.

I can comprehend what you're saying and implying thanks. What i don't understand is how you have the audacity to post comments and offer advice when you're one of the, if not biggest, culprits of complete and utter negligence.

Maybe you'd like to stop and contemplate that as i too contemplate my percieved thuggery

Satch
16th January 2007, 09:19
I dunno, yellows a lil girly.

(and dang those are some clean wheels!)

Red's much fasterer and manly.

well it did seem to go faster in red!!

but got alot more positive attention in yella

best thing tho was removing that little handle on the back. practical but oooh sooo ugly

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 09:31
thats why you're an idjiot, you DON't listen..FULLSTOP.


NO UNDERTAKING IN SLOW OR MEDIUM GROUPS!!!!




agreed mate, there's lots of scenarios that can pan out, from my perspective the slow, medium & fast groups should be utilised as follows.
ANYONE unsure, wobbly or a novice should go slow or medium. ANYONE who can ride a bike competantly should go fast group. Yes this would feck the fast group of but they at least know they can pass without having to worry about what theyre trying to do.

we could argiue this forever, the organisers make it quite clear.. well for some huh JSG, that undertaking is NOT allowed for what ever reason in anything BUt teh fast groups.. this should be adhered to.

and you wouldn't be the first to piss on ma bike Jimmy


Ya dada, I kno wha da rool book sais, bhat dere iz alwayz da pazzing on zee inzide at zee front of zee medium group, no matter wha zat rool book sayz oh-khay!!

Zee rool book alzo zays tha ye shall not do 260kmph on ze Coro Loop.

Don'tchu wurry tho mon ami cos I vil nt b on eh NZ track or dem pablic road racez fer a loong taim.

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 09:37
Maybe you'd like to stop and contemplate that as i too contemplate my percieved thuggery

What thuggery?? Despite all your noise, you're one of the nicest people I know on KB and I do like ya in a brotherly fashion ya donut.

Yeah mate - notice the bike "In hiatus" status. Will be a while before I buy that 750 or thou, not gonna bother with 6's ........ and then will try and stick to the track... ec, pi, wakefield :love:

I've gotten away with so much I should have been killed at least 50 times (or more) or serving years behind bars and I'm not talking bout pubs.

Arpu :)

Fatjim
16th January 2007, 09:42
Lets stick to facts. As usual, people just show up and muddy the waters by getting it all wrong.

As boomer said, we're talking about passing on the INSIDE on the SIGHTING laps, and the SLOW and MEDIUM group, all of which were a nono at the trackday SOME of us were at last week. If you want to talk about fast/race pace, other track days, homos, chimps, xboxes, bananas.. have I got all the bases covered guys?.... Fuck offfff.

We're also talking about the riders, not complaining about how the the track day was run. Most people aren't "tell on, na na na na" types of people. So Beemer, put your nickers straight, we LOOOVED the trackday.

Kendogs, go back to work :)

Oh and did I mention that twat on the old cbr who but for some drastic avoiding action on my part, would have wiped me out on the sighting laps. Bloddy twat.

Goblin
16th January 2007, 09:50
- notice the bike "In hiatus" status. Will be a while before I buy that 750 or thou, not gonna bother with 6's ........ and then will try and stick to the track... THAT IS A RELIEF AND A WORRY!

I've gotten away with so much I should have been killed at least 50 times (or more) or serving years behind bars and I'm not talking bout pubs.

Arpu :)You forgot to mention the 50 or more "other people" you could have taken out with you.

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 10:17
You forgot to mention the 50 or more "other people" you could have taken out with you.

Pot - kettle - black -:shutup: ...... anyway lets not get into that.

50 other people? You know something I don't??

Remarkable fluke isn't it that I do what I do everytime I'm on the road or track for the last two years and no one actually crashes or gets hurt..... I must be really lucky......:yes:

Goblin
16th January 2007, 10:32
Pot - kettle - black -:shutup: ...... anyway lets not get into that.

50 other people? You know something I don't??

Remarkable fluke isn't it that I do what I do everytime I'm on the road or track for the last two years and no one actually crashes or gets hurt..... I must be really lucky......:yes:

Have you ever seen me ride dangerously? I'd like to know if you have. I saw you do some shocking overtaking manourvers on that ride with sugi. Three times you overtook me under brakes then stood it up and ran wide. You came very close to me and I did tell you that I wasnt happy with your dangerous overtaking. In the end I stopped to let you get far enough ahead so I could go at MY own pace around the corners and not have to worry about you running me off the road. If you cant handle a modern 600cc bike then why the hell would you want a 750 or a thou?

Fatjim
16th January 2007, 10:54
Ooohhh. CATFIGHT!

Goblin
16th January 2007, 10:57
Ooohhh. CATFIGHT!
Yeah...and all that AFTER we had to wait for over a minute for him to catch up on the other side of the Takas.:angry:






Mods can chuck my posts in pd....it is after all horribly off topic.

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 11:20
Yeah...and all that AFTER we had to wait for over a minute for him to catch up on the other side of the Takas.:angry:

Mods can chuck my posts in pd....it is after all horribly off topic.

You comparing my riding abilities to yours and Sugilite's - a couple of racers?? WOW - I'm stoked!!!!

and this off topic stuff is fun....

come on Fatjim get in here - you could do with the exercise fatty....

Goblin
16th January 2007, 11:31
You comparing my riding abilities to yours and Sugilite's - a couple of racers?? WOW - I'm stoked!!!!

No comparison whatsoever! Owning the lastest, greatest, fandangled machinery does NOT give you riding ability!

Deano
16th January 2007, 11:38
It wasn't me on the Repsol !!

Fatjim
16th January 2007, 11:56
It never is.

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 12:19
No comparison whatsoever! Owning the lastest, greatest, fandangled machinery does NOT give you riding ability!

You sure?? Cos that's what the salesman told me.......... :cry:

Damn... wait till I buy a Hayabusa - then I'll be faster than you :D


...... eh, just to calm a little indian's curiosity - what were your lap times around the full 3.5K Taupo track??
I did it in 3 minutes, fifty one seconds.... :third:

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 12:20
It wasn't me on the Repsol !!

You sure?? Don't lie now.....I could swear on my dairy reciept book it was you.

Fatjim
16th January 2007, 12:25
Sorry, can't resist.

Q. Why don't Indians make good racers.

A. Cause every time they get to a corner they open a dairy.

Goblin
16th January 2007, 12:43
...... eh, just to calm a little indian's curiosity - what were your lap times around the full 3.5K Taupo track??
Lap times are irrelevant. I'd just like you to be aware of how dangerous riding like you did that day really is. You're not only risking your own life and safety but the people you are overtaking aswell. If you rode like that in an actual race, you'd be blackflagged pretty quick....so why do it on the road?

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 12:43
Sorry, can't resist.

Q. Why don't Indians make good racers.

A. Cause every time they get to a corner they open a dairy.


Dammit it Fatarse..... I'm fookin pissed off at you posting that...... and me sitting here at work trawling the damn net and not being able to come up with a better Indian joke.........

Can someone help out puleeessseee???????

justsomeguy
16th January 2007, 12:51
If you rode like that in an actual race, you'd be blackflagged pretty quick....so why do it on the road?

I know......blackflagged and blacklisted too.....funnily enough these were BlackBuell's words..... very black scenario huh.....

The thrill is visceral...... I ride for kicks, plain and simple.... hence the break for a while to go get my kicks somewhere else, before I really run out of luck.... sky diving or maybe competitive kick boxing ..... then wallet depending a return to bikes later......got 50 years left to figure it out....damn.... must hurry.

Shit.... are we in PD yet?? I better start talking bout cages then, cos I seem to be in a shit stirring mood..... :killingme

ajturbo
16th January 2007, 15:01
Have you ever seen me ride dangerously? I'd like to know if you have.?

shit matey.. i would lucky just to see ya in the distance... or when you stop and wait for me.... if i am even that lucky:sunny: hahahah

boomer
16th January 2007, 16:15
Ooohhh. CATFIGHT!


HEY..i'm trying to sell my bleedin Xbox360 here.. do you mind ???

Beemer
16th January 2007, 16:18
HEY..i'm trying to sell my bleedin Xbox360 here.. do you mind ???

Xbox - is that one of those sanitary disposal bins you find in ladies' loos?

boomer
16th January 2007, 16:28
Xbox - is that one of those sanitary disposal bins you find in ladies' loos?

Did you just try to crack a funny?

mikey
16th January 2007, 17:06
If there were any passing manouvres going on that people were concerned about, did ANY OF YOU bother to tell the organisers? They have a hard enough job keeping track of all of you during the day without standing on every corner watching to make sure people obey the rules.

I've been a member of this club since 1999 and EVERYONE gets told the rules at the riders' briefing. If complaints ARE passed on to the organisers, they ARE acted on and anyone they deem to be riding in an unsafe manner is asked to leave - and trust me, it DOES happen.

I find it hard to believe that you were actually passed in an unsafe manner on the inside during the slow laps, in fact I am more of the opinion that you were slow going into a corner and someone got there before you. Would you rather they ran up your arse? I've been out in the slow laps myself and I have been passed on both the left and the right. You may have been in the wrong position - too far to the left or right for a particular corner - and someone who was riding a bit faster than you had to alter their position to ride through that corner. There is no rule against overtaking in any of the laps - you are just not allowed to overtake the leader.

If you believe you have a valid complaint, pass it on to the club president. But I would refrain from making smart comments about the guy who crashed as he happens to be one of our members. And thanks for alerting us that you are riding a CBR 600 without a valid licence, I'll be watching out for you around Levin, as will - no doubt - all the cops who read this forum!

No one bothered to complain about hte guy on the repsol who binned it who was carving up in the slower group, did i mention he crashed? A member of your precious club? pass this onto him. HAHA SHOULD OF KNOWEN BETTER COCK

an pass this one onto yourself, then slap yourself to for being a stupid woman.

You WERENT AT THE TRACK DAY,
you did not hear what was said at riders briefing,
you did not see anything at all of the slow group that day
your in no position to comment.
iwas there and not riding, was watching, with eyes....
they saw a few people being passed up the inside.
so shut the fuck up.
no one cares if your old an been i nthe club since the 60s. or if your a really nice person when your not bitching.
how do you no sally rode her bike up there? she didnt. someone took it up there for her as its not in road trim at the moment. and she doesnt have the right licence.
make up your mind, are you speaking on behalf of your club or just prattling your own shit, we both know its your own shit so dont wank on about being part of the club. if your "club president" ever gets on here and does reply im sure it wont read anything like what yours does. bet ya a box of beers to be drunk before the next track day.


Right, let me clarify a few things - NO, I wasn't at our track day on this occasion because I had a prior engagement. Usually you are allowed to overtake in any of the sessions - you are just NOT allowed to overtake the person leading each session, who is always wearing a reflective safety vest. Obviously this year it was decided that there would be no overtaking in the slow laps, which is fine, and as people have stated here, it WAS mentioned at the riders' briefing. Therefore, as everyone in the slow laps was aware of that rule, you can be damned sure that if any of you who say you were overtaken had bothered to bring this to the attention of the organisers (it's not like you had to identify every rider who overtook you), this rule would have been mentioned again at the start of the next session and people would have been keeping an eye out for anyone breaking the rule. The fact that NOT ONE of you bothered to mention this means you forfeit the right to complain about it later. Rest assured, any offenders would have been left in no doubt that they would be asked to leave if they had not obeyed the rules. It's not just YOUR arses on the line at these track days, it's ours too.

And with regards to Sallo's comment about why have the "front end charlie" going at a much faster pace than the rest of the riders and why didn't he fuck off into a faster class, I am assuming she means the CDMTCI member leading the laps? If so, it is his job to LEAD the laps, so of course he will be going faster than the rest of the riders, who are then able to go at any pace they feel comfortable with, as long as they don't pass HIM. The laps are usually led at not much more than the open road limit to allow novices to go a little faster than they can on the road. If he led them at 100kph or less, he would end up with a huge bunch of riders right on his tail, all complaining that they thought the whole point of a track day was to go a bit faster and have a bit of a play on a race track.

If there were that many people overtaking in the slow laps when they had been told not to, then this is an issue that definitely should have been raised with the organisers ON THE DAY. I would place money on this being stressed and monitored closely at subsequent track days.

And thank you to all of you who have supported my stance on this matter. As a club, we try our best to host events like this and they have always been well patronised and enjoyable for riders. We go to great lengths to ensure we have marshalls, ambulance staff, crash rescue, etc and it does cost a lot to do it right. If it rains on the day and hardly anyone turns up, we would have to wear the loss.

But I cannot stress strongly enough that we are unable to act on any complaints of dangerous or stupid behaviour AFTER the event. If these two (and any others who were similarly pissed off) had raised their concerns with ANY of our club members ON THE DAY, they would have been taken seriously and dealt with. We all know what it's like to be a scared learner and we want to encourage people to increase their skills, not put them off returning. Maybe Sallo could bring her mum along to the next track day so she could speak up on her behalf if there are any problems.

oh so you werent there, hmmmmmmmmm
your speaking in we terms again, are you talking on behalf of the club and calling sally an kendog liars, insulting them, surely not speaking on behalf of the club, going a bit over the limit, have a sherry with dinner?
lets say someone rapes you. you dont mention it for a few days. does that mean you lose the right to complain? ahhh NO! etreme case butsame thing.
the fact that no one mentioned it doesnt mean you cant complain, and i dont think its complaining, people were sharing there experiences of the day.
mine was mint.
i got drunk in the sun an smoked ciggies watching bikes go rrrrrrrrrrrrrm

if you read the comments on the front end charlie shit, it was the idea is flawed. front end charlie laps people, he goes around them quite nicely, round the outside or powers away down the straights, but every other person behind them doesnt pass as carefully, dives up the inside at end of pit straight every slow group session, and naturally there passing all the slower people. get it??? wanabe racers in the slow group getting there first kills..... get it????/
maybe you could bring your mum to the next track day to watch you be a bitch! oh no shes probably been underground for the last fifty years so its not an option....


Excuse me, but it seems I am not the only one who very much doubts the accuracy of Sallo's recollection of events, and no matter what, making smart arsed comments about people who crash, no matter who they are, is pathetic.

Perhaps Sallo (is it missing the 'w'?), seeing as she apparently lives in Levin, would like to join the CDMTCI and put in the hard yards required to run an event like this. Or perhaps she would rather come here and whinge rather than taking her concerns up with the organisers, ON THE DAY. It's a bit pointless coming on a forum like this, days after the event, and moaning that someone did something wrong. If she had approached any of the club members ON THE DAY and raised her concerns, they could have been addressed.

And, this is MY personal opinion only, and not that of the club, but I think she's full of shit.

ill make a smart arse comment about repsol boy (whos a MEMBER!!!!) who should know better, going out in slower group to get some extra laps, riding like a cock. bound to happen, im just gald he didnt take a newb out with him. was possibly the best looking bike there an then he goes an biffs it down the road. dumbarse.

fuk joining a club, you'd have to put up with cunts like you, all in the name of helping. id rather help myself, if ya know what i mean. and ill do all the nagging an whinging i want. dont stop til ya get what you want.

anywho see you on the 3rd/4th, if you can make it to your own clubs track day and dont forget my beer.

Kendog
16th January 2007, 17:32
Mikey, you have hit the nail on the head. Well said.

Didn't catch up with you on Saturday, hope to see ya at the next one.

Str8 Jacket
16th January 2007, 17:33
I love you Mikey. So blatently honest!

Trudes
16th January 2007, 18:37
Hey str8, get in line! Wench. (oh man after reading mikey's post I feel all.... abusive! Sorry).

aff-man
16th January 2007, 22:27
Well I might as well make a comment...

People should be allowed to undertake where it is deemed safe. But NOT in the slow group because of the chance of freaking someone out or them not holding thier lines.

It was really irritating at the GSXR day cause the bigger bikes were sliding wide out of the corners (to much handfull) which made me very weary about trying to take the around the outside coming out of a corner. And I had nothing on them on the straights, but I was much more aggressive on the brakes and held more corner speed so would cme right up thier ass only to be dusted going out of a corner.. I saw many many HUGE gaps up the inside in the medium group that I could have safetly taken, but being my first track day and being told it was a nono didn't want to get kicked out or anything. This resulted in a very frustrating day...

My second trck day was a little the same although I found myself riding with a few more competant people so overtaking around the outside and even once or twice up the inside was safe.....

JSG I'm sorry if you don't like it but would you mind shutting the fuck up... You pissed me off majorly last track day, you undertook me very close and cutting me off twice making me have to stand the bike up in a corner, only to have you run off the track 2 corners later the first time and then the very next corner the second time... And I watched you do it to boomer as well almost taking him out.. diving up the inside under brakes and then slowly going round the corner or running way wide and off the track is not what I would consider safe riding at all. I got undertaken a few times by more experienced riders and it was no problem cause they held thier corner speed and as long as I held my line I was fine....


Anywho I don't know about most people but while overtaking is fun I like trying to chanse someone who is either the same speed or a little faster than myself... See ya on the 3rd boomer.

ajturbo
17th January 2007, 04:53
i had a ball at the track day...
i was over taken by some VERY fast bikes.... as they went by they buffered me about, they were that close... but then i cought them up in the corners ...lol

but back to complaining...

how i do it:... if i don't say anything on the day..my loss.

but just sometimes i like to think about why i had the need to complain... was it me in the wrong?
was it "them" in the wrong...
so i sit and think... and MOST times i end up thinking
"WHO THE FUCK REALY CARES???" what i have to say..
and get on with my sorry life trying to have fun...:Punk:

White trash
17th January 2007, 08:02
Well as this previously quite good thread with some healthy debate has once again turned into a personal attack thread, I might bow out and watch it disappear into PD.

Well done.

Oh, and for the record, Boomer, Mikey, Beemer, Dover, JSG are all cunts.

Beemer
17th January 2007, 08:06
i had a ball at the track day...
i was over taken by some VERY fast bikes.... as they went by they buffered me about, they were that close... but then i cought them up in the corners ...lol

but back to complaining...

how i do it:... if i don't say anything on the day..my loss.

but just sometimes i like to think about why i had the need to complain... was it me in the wrong?
was it "them" in the wrong...
so i sit and think... and MOST times i end up thinking
"WHO THE FUCK REALY CARES???" what i have to say..
and get on with my sorry life trying to have fun...:Punk:

Precisely. As for Mikey's illiterate raving comments - and the PM I got from him - they aren't worth addressing. I stand by the comments I have made, which are that if the riders in the slow laps were told there was no overtaking, then any overtaking should have been reported to the organisers. It sounds like this was going on in every slow lap, so the responsibility to alert the organisers lies with the riders. My husband WAS there as he is one of the organisers and he knows what was said at the riders' briefing. I would class overtaking in slow laps when told not to as something that could be deemed unsafe and I would have spoken up if it was happening while I was riding. It is not classed as 'narking' - would you report an oil spill on the track or something falling off another rider's bike? Well, no, you lot probably wouldn't, but I bet we'd read all about it later.

Yes, Mikey, you will see me on the 4th. But as for your beer, all I can say is, don't hold your breath.

Crasherfromwayback
17th January 2007, 08:24
Oh, and for the record, Boomer, Mikey, Beemer, Dover, JSG are all cunts.

Oi....I'm upset that you forgot me mate.....

Beemer
17th January 2007, 08:25
Oi....I'm upset that you forgot me mate.....

Be thankful mate, how do you think I feel being lumped in with Mikey the retard?

The_Dover
17th January 2007, 08:33
how the fuck did I come into this?

other than being the burglar in the slow group

White trash
17th January 2007, 08:38
how the fuck did I come into this?

other than being the burglar in the slow group
You came into it because you're a cunt. And everyone else on this fricken site gets off on personal attacks simply for a differing opinion, so mee too.

You're a round, slow, cunt. Also, I can't do the weekend of the 27th at yours. Any other time is cool though.

White trash
17th January 2007, 08:42
Oi....I'm upset that you forgot me mate.....
Not usefull enough.

Skunk
17th January 2007, 09:36
which are that if the riders in the slow laps were told there was no overtaking
We were told overtaking in the slow group was fine. No undertaking.

Hitcher
17th January 2007, 10:24
What started as a well intentioned thread about etiquette and rules at trackdays has degenerated into some significant personal abuse. I have handed out some yellow cards to a handful of people who I believe deserved these. Some of you are lucky not to get red cards, so don't push me.

I'll give this thread one more chance to right itself or I'll close it.

boomer
17th January 2007, 12:03
Cheers Hitcher, i don't mind gettin a bollokin', but i'd prefer for my handy work to stay visible... cnut!


I feel like a naughty school boy.. when all i was trying to do was SELL MY FUKIN XBOX360!!!!


ps... rules are rules and no undertaking means no undertaking, no matter if you were there, not there but ya hubby was there, you thought you were there but weren't there or alternatively you were there and you ignored the rules and ya crashed ya brand new Repsol.... BWHAHAHHAHAHAHaaaaaa pWN3d!!111!!!!!

:finger:

boomer
17th January 2007, 13:06
You're a fiesty wee one, i'd hazard a guess at you being germanian by descent. cheers for the red rep and comment ;) wanna buy my xbox360.. cheap??

i got a yellow card for this?? Hitcher.. are you hormonal?

Karma
17th January 2007, 13:14
i got a yellow card for this?? Hitcher.. are you hormonal?


You're out!!

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Str8 Jacket
17th January 2007, 13:17
Go on Hitch, give him a second chance..... I dare you!

Joni
17th January 2007, 13:24
Keep this thread on topic please.
If you have a problem with a Moderators action, please pm a senior mod or post in the "got a problem thread".

:sunny:

boomer
17th January 2007, 15:08
Keep this thread on topic please.
If you have a problem with a Moderators action, please pm a senior mod or post in the "got a problem thread".

:sunny:

Do you wanna buy my xbox360 Joni??

Beemer
17th January 2007, 16:13
What started as a well intentioned thread about etiquette and rules at trackdays has degenerated into some significant personal abuse. I have handed out some yellow cards to a handful of people who I believe deserved these. Some of you are lucky not to get red cards, so don't push me.

I'll give this thread one more chance to right itself or I'll close it.

Thanks, Hitcher. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me but I felt Mikey's comments in particular were way beyond the pale.

ajturbo
17th January 2007, 16:38
We were told overtaking in the slow group was fine. No undertaking.
we had a riders brief..????? what did i miss???


hahahahahha

ajturbo
17th January 2007, 16:40
Do you wanna buy my xbox360 Joni??
she'll be toooooo busy patchin up the man...

justsomeguy
17th January 2007, 17:46
As regards this thread topic - depending on whose side you want to be it is easy to argue every side.

The trackday marshalls for not spotting the behaviour and reporting it, etc

The rest of you (and me) for lots of pointless drivel......Mike - what the hell fella - calm down a bit please??

Although it may have come accross as such - I don't think Sallo was trying to stir up anything and she was correct in what she said. She's just a bit simple sometimes and has a way of putting things......

The whining started later as people started taking sides and placing personal pride before common sense.

It would be great if something new was gained or learned from this thread, but its been the same old crap isn't it??


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JSG I'm sorry if you don't like it but would you mind shutting the fuck up... You pissed me off majorly last track day, you undertook me very close and cutting me off twice making me have to stand the bike up in a corner, only to have you run off the track 2 corners later the first time and then the very next corner the second time... And I watched you do it to boomer as well almost taking him out..

Yes, and I came and personally apologised to you when I realised what happened when my two functioning brain cells turned themselves on after the trackday was over.

I basically was trying to get past you for a bit and my trademark impatience took over...... that and some fried brakes equal......:sick: ... Dunno if you were riding defensively or what..... but trying to get past you was a f'kin nuisance and that session was open to all speed groups- so there were no specific passing rules for that session.........I'm not justifying my actions by the way, I know what I did was wrong.


Do you wanna buy my xbox360 Joni??

You reckon I can sell it in my dairy??


Well as this previously quite good thread with some healthy debate has once again turned into a personal attack thread, I might bow out and watch it disappear into PD.

Well done.

Oh, and for the record, Boomer, Mikey, Beemer, Dover, JSG are all cunts.

OooH!!! Was that like a personal attack?? Hitcher can you please infract him with a mustard yellow card, along with a hint of a warning and just a taste of some other restrictions. Ta very muchly.

Fatjim
17th January 2007, 19:30
New thread rule, only senior members can pass comment up the inside. All others have to do it the long way.

Mikey, you may be a senior member, but you still qualify for the slow group.

mikey
17th January 2007, 19:57
Precisely. As for Mikey's illiterate raving comments - and the PM I got from him - they aren't worth addressing. I stand by the comments I have made, which are that if the riders in the slow laps were told there was no overtaking, then any overtaking should have been reported to the organisers. It sounds like this was going on in every slow lap, so the responsibility to alert the organisers lies with the riders. My husband WAS there as he is one of the organisers and he knows what was said at the riders' briefing. I would class overtaking in slow laps when told not to as something that could be deemed unsafe and I would have spoken up if it was happening while I was riding. It is not classed as 'narking' - would you report an oil spill on the track or something falling off another rider's bike? Well, no, you lot probably wouldn't, but I bet we'd read all about it later.

Yes, Mikey, you will see me on the 4th. But as for your beer, all I can say is, don't hold your breath.

haha illeterate they may be but to your one senile red rep comment, i get 10 back, from people that can read/translate, an they dont like you. or more just approve of me being slighty more forthcoming than some. i dont like you. you smell. (not an infractable offence, telling someone they smell.)

a lot of people have said they were over taken up the inside. its such a well run event that there are marshalls on most corners, they see people passing on the inside, or id hope they do otherwise maybe they shouldnt be marshalls, imagine if you crashed in front of them, would they see it?

the responsibility of alerting the organisers doesnt go with other people on the track. you guys hire the track. if someone dies, the coroner is after YOU LOT, the organisers, not those out there riding, ok? ask your club president or hubby

an it IS classified as narking, running off to mummy beemer and the other senilities becasue someone cut you up the inside. if i was the noob being passed up the inside on no passing id just go see the rider in the pits, have a word an let it go. in a few years........

ajturbo
17th January 2007, 20:01
It would be great if something new was gained or learned from this thread, but its been the same old crap isn't it??

.

funny thing... i was thinking the same thing today... but then i got thinking outside the square...

something DID get learn't in the best possible place

ON THE TRACK...

the poor fella who dicked off his nice bike in the slow group..

this guy LEARNT
\
1. not to be such a #$#@ next time in the slow group...
but more inportantly he learnt
2. that he was NOT as good as he thought he was

how many of us have learnt that lesson on the roads around NZ???

this guy learnt it in the safest place...:done:

hows the CB get on mikey?

Hitcher
17th January 2007, 20:04
You were warned. This thread is now closed.