Cop chase, Te Rapa (14 January) [Archive]

rwh

14th January 2007, 22:06

vt250s cant do 160 from my experience, 130 would be topping it wouldnt it?

Mine showed 145ish on the speedo, and felt like it had a bit more left. Maybe it's just the red and black ones :)

Of course, many people have mentioned the discrepancy between the speedo and reality ... and that's backed up by the roadside speed signs, which always showed me less than I thought I was doing.

Richard

Wasp

14th January 2007, 22:08

hey if were going by speedo then i never went above 95 km/h :innocent:

Disqualified

15th January 2007, 00:47

from my experience.... dont run from the police... they will almost always catch you in the end

ZeroIndex

15th January 2007, 01:18

from my experience.... dont run from the police... they will almost always catch you in the end

is that how you got your username/broken collarbone?

ps. welcome to the site

Disqualified

15th January 2007, 01:22

thats how i got my username... was playing at the park on the RM250 and you get the picture... I broke my collarbone doing downhill mtb

carver

15th January 2007, 06:55

One of the two highlighted statements above are incorrect.

really? i just saw them pass by me at the lights, not a bad guess though(?)

NinjaNanna

15th January 2007, 08:54

Anyone that thinks they can outrun the cops on a VT250 need there head read!!!

Hopefully this guy just speed past a speed trap and was planning on stoppping soon, otherwise he's in deep shit

N4CR

15th January 2007, 13:48

anyone that thinks they can outrun the cops on a vt250 need there head read!!!

hopefully this guy just speed past a speed trap and was planning on stoppping soon, otherwise he's in deep ****

if you can run on a scooter you can run on anything, all depends on traffic and local knowledge... a vt250 would be easy in some circumstances

avgas

15th January 2007, 14:11

I wonder what started it....poor youngin hope he doesnt get too much shit....been there and done that - back when i was 10foot tall and bulletproof. Silly shit really

scumdog

15th January 2007, 14:14

if you can run on a scooter you can run on anything, all depends on traffic and local knowledge... a vt250 would be easy in some circumstances

DON'T say that - now all vt250 owners will want to give it a go!!

idleidolidyll

15th January 2007, 14:22

vt250s cant do 160 from my experience, 130 would be topping it wouldnt it?

the red/black Vt from the late 80's was a bit of a special; it had trick paint and go fast stripes.

Obviously with that extra fast paint job it could easily do 160.

Honestly though, I sold Hondas in 1987 and the VTR250 COULD do 160-170km on its speedo. Dunno if it was way out but it seems probable that it could indeed nudge 160 (hell, a 1969 Ducati 250 could do 160!)

Wasp

15th January 2007, 14:26

yea i know the vtr can do it but its a different engine in that (and newer too?)

i think the spada can do 160 cant it?

N4CR

15th January 2007, 14:49

don't say that - now all vt250 owners will want to give it a go!!

i'm sure they will get caught if they are **** (du|\/|b) and ****y (c0cky), not a huge amount of people could get away with it but as i said depends on conditions and local knowledge (and rider skill) you can do it on a faster 250 easy as pie almost anywhere if you meet those criteria.

i think the spada can do 160 cant it?
yes afaik that's waht it's geared for. spada aka vt250f. ducatilover knows.

LilSel

15th January 2007, 14:58

vt250s cant do 160 from my experience, 130 would be topping it wouldnt it?

They cant?? :gob:

What would be topping it on ZZR250 ya reckon? *curious*....

EDIT:... oh... I was thinking vtr... but really really?

N4CR

15th January 2007, 15:21

they cant?? :gob:

what would be topping it on zzr250 ya reckon? *curious*....

edit:... oh... i was thinking vtr... but really really?

same speed about 164ish indicated probably 150-156 real speed... a well set up tuned/piped/jetted/de limited zxr250c with would do an indicated 200kmh+ if it could show it and if you work out rev/speed difference once it goes off the clock... they are about 8kmh out on the speedo at those speeds with 4% error. i have got close to redline which is a geared true 204kmh but you need a really nice place to do it, slight downhill will do it well. 2t eg nsr250 will do what 215-225 max with mods? cbr's will do similarish speeds to zxr with mods but i always pulled on them up top regardless ^_~

anyone got more than 120 on a gn250? that's the highest i've heard.. and heard the rider in question had speed wobbles and was crappin themselves haha

Wasp

15th January 2007, 15:23

spada aka vt250f
the spada is NOT the vt250f, the spada is naked f means faired ;)

MidnightMike

15th January 2007, 15:24

anyone got more than 120 on a gn250? that's the highest i've heard.. and heard the rider in question had speed wobbles and was crappin themselves haha

I got around there on my old volty, found the speed wobble problem pretty quick though :shit:

N4CR

15th January 2007, 15:25

the spada is not the vt250f, the spada is naked f means faired ;)

wtf why have so many people gone on about vt250f spadas?!?!? weird stuff. okay then the vt250f is the quick one spada is slower of the two if they are not the same (google doesn't think so either).

LilSel

15th January 2007, 15:32

same speed about 164ish indicated probably 150-156 real speed...

anyone got more than 120 on a gn250? that's the highest i've heard.. and heard the rider in question had speed wobbles and was crappin themselves haha

oh wow... interesting...
I've had a higher top than 1st speed mentioned... not a zxr... just a zzr *shrug*... was straight rd slight downhill however...

Its crazy to think that a gn250 top out 120 (not that thats a bad thing)... I would never have thought that until joining KB....

CRASHE.... What a kinda top speed for Virago250?

EDIT: Oh and it wasnt me in Te Rapa.... lol.... not my playground

skaz

15th January 2007, 17:40

EZAS

15th January 2007, 18:59

I'm surprised the cops didn't just ram him like they did me? If he's only doing 130-160k it won't be hard to ram something only going those speeds.

MSTRS

15th January 2007, 19:28

The spada is rather a bit different form the vt250f, it was only made for about a year (1989) and has a completely different frame from the vf250f, its got the same engine though, which is the same motor theyve got in the new vtr250's. I got my old spada on the rev limiter in top gear slip streaming off a mate, speedo was indicating 170.

The (old) VTF is a fully faired steel framed sportbike wannabee. They are slow and heavy and apparently the engines are not very strong.
The Spada was Jap market-only, produced 1988 and 1989, naked with a full-alloy frame and a high-performance engine. They were somewhat of an experiment by MrHonda, which turned out to be too expensive for the 250 market of the day, so were discontinued.
The (new) VTR is a similar creature to the Spada, except the engines are restricted in line with the practice since 1990, and the frame is similar in design to the Ducati Monster. Very nice bikes and highly recommended for the learner/restricted stage.
The Spada is TOP of the heap in the VT line, and don't let anyone tell you different. They are capable of 170kph (hXC's one was timed at that in the Wairarapa sprints at the end of 2005). VTR could possibly reach 160 but I doubt it.

ldnz

15th January 2007, 19:35

With regards to GN250 speeds - took a gps to a certain GN that had been run out of oil 3 times and generally abused and managed 132km/h on the flat on a pretty still day. My KR made 175.

Wasp

15th January 2007, 19:44

the spada is the faster of the two

ZeroIndex

15th January 2007, 22:18

Here are the official details:

It was a Honda VT250, black and red.
It was "littleswettie_2006's" brother.
The bike got caught by the Police, and has been impounded

Waylander

15th January 2007, 23:41

Here are the official details:

It was a Honda VT250, black and red.
It was "littleswettie_2006's" brother.
The bike got caught by the Police, and has been impounded
heh. Who's bike was it?

ZeroIndex

16th January 2007, 00:36

heh. Who's bike was it?

not completely sure on the exact ownership.. could be Sarah's or her brothers, or a joint ownership..

carver

16th January 2007, 07:01

With regards to GN250 speeds - took a gps to a certain GN that had been run out of oil 3 times and generally abused and managed 132km/h on the flat on a pretty still day. My KR made 175.

i had my GN to 160 kph, down the bombays with a pillion, through red line

carver

16th January 2007, 07:02

Here are the official details:

It was a Honda VT250, black and red.
It was "littleswettie_2006's" brother.
The bike got caught by the Police, and has been impounded

finally-so it was caught aye?
i thought it was her brothers mate...

ZeroIndex

16th January 2007, 08:12

finally-so it was caught aye?
i thought it was her brothers mate...

nope, her brother... he got caught just off the railway lines at harvey norman (or some railway lines that way up...)

jade

16th January 2007, 09:03

I had my gn 125 up to about 120 flying down the motorway from constellation dr to tristram ave, but lets just say it didnt like it, and it vibrated - alot - and it was pretty windy on those bicycle wheels..
That bike was great for burnouts, wheelies from a standing start and all manners of drink driving (which im obviously against now days, learnt my lessons and all) took it for its first service and the dude asked if I used it for off road
Nowadays I can go back the otherway on that same piece of motorway (uphill) and hit 195 before I need to change lane to exit, most ive had aprilia up to was 205 with my head on the tank
In regards to getting away from cops, havent had a go at running away yet but have been chased for 3-5 minutes at 200 from orewa back to the shore without knowing it

carver

16th January 2007, 11:27

nope, her brother... he got caught just off the railway lines at harvey norman (or some railway lines that way up...)

true, what was the penalty?
i thought it might have been him, i followed the chase for a while..

avgas

16th January 2007, 11:53

anyone got more than 120 on a gn250? that's the highest i've heard.. and heard the rider in question had speed wobbles and was crappin themselves haha
To be honest i never noticed any speed wobbles on my mates Gn125 when i rode it home from the shop for him. I had it fully tapped out at about 135ish chasing my mates zx4r. Good little bikes.
Worst speed wobbles ive had was on the RG after i had taken the fairings off.....above 180 and it shakes like norton.

ZeroIndex

16th January 2007, 11:59

true, what was the penalty?
i thought it might have been him, i followed the chase for a while..

not quite sure what the penalty was, probably get done for excessive speed, running from the police, evading capture (until he turned his bike back on, and the Police saw his brake light). So he'll probably get the book thrown at him, bike impounded, loss of licence for 6 months, and a probable $600+ fine...

scumdog

16th January 2007, 13:13

N4CR

16th January 2007, 13:15

ah well, good entertainment don't come cheap.....

it can come free apart from the rooted tyres and higher than normal fuel usage <_< :shake:

littleswettie_2006

29th January 2007, 13:31

not quite sure what the penalty was, probably get done for excessive speed, running from the police, evading capture (until he turned his bike back on, and the Police saw his brake light). So he'll probably get the book thrown at him, bike impounded, loss of licence for 6 months, and a probable $600+ fine...

Hey guys, I'm going to set the record straight finally. As you all know that the VT250 is mine it was not me that was riding it on the day! My brother, who was on my KR150 and his mate, who was on my VT250 went out for a blat down T Straight and they were being boys (stupid boys if you ask me). They both were showing of and racing then they came to an intersection and a cop pulled up behind them, he then flashed on the lights however because they both do not have there licence they gunned it.............. My brother slowed down but his mate didn't so instead of going after my brother they went straight for Dylan. He said that he was doing appromamatley 170kmph down T Straight and at this point there was about four cops cars which had joined in. He went though a number of red lights and was bassically breeaking every rule in the book. (he wasn't going to stop for anyone). Anyway he made it out to ngaruawahia (there was 6 cop cars after him now)where he took a turn which ended up down the railway tracks! The cops had lost him and he was wrapped however when he got of the bike he turned the bike of didn't he (what a dumf**k :nono: ) and so the park lights came on! Basically the cops saw as they were driving passed and he ended up getting caught.
He got kicked to the ground and was arrested on the spot. My bike was impounded including my gear and keys and he lost his licence for 3 months and a $400.00 fine. if you ask me he got of easy wouldn't you think?
I have now 16 days to wait before I can retreive my bike and man I cant wait.....................:yes:

Edbear

29th January 2007, 14:06

he was wrapped however when he got of the bike he turned the bike of didn't he (what a dumf**k :nono: ) and so the park lights came on! Basically the cops saw as they were driving passed and he ended up getting caught.:

Apprediate your candour, littleswettie_2006!

I think the part in brackets kicked in about the time they decided to ride unlicensed and it was all downhill from there. Why do so many youngsters have no brains? :bye:

He got off way too lightly, I bet he's laughing about it! (?)

Maybe you can dish out some additional punishment yourself. I'm sure you wont be letting him or your brother anywhere near your bike in future..? If he'd totalled it you wouldn't have insurance and would he be able to pay for it to be fixed?

littleswettie_2006

29th January 2007, 14:39

Apprediate your candour, littleswettie_2006!

I think the part in brackets kicked in about the time they decided to ride unlicensed and it was all downhill from there. Why do so many youngsters have no brains? :bye:

He got off way too lightly, I bet he's laughing about it! (?)

Maybe you can dish out some additional punishment yourself. I'm sure you wont be letting him or your brother anywhere near your bike in future..? If he'd totalled it you wouldn't have insurance and would he be able to pay for it to be fixed?

yea thats so true! i tell ya when i found out i was spuing like litturally no one could come near me then. I have no insurance on the VT250 however do have it for my KR but it was the last time i let the boys touched my bikes cause my bikes are my babys and cant afford to keep retrieving them from the impound! the boys did apologize but it does not make up for the stupideness, my brother lost his licence again on friday so ya now i can actually not worry if he going to take the keys or not! cause if he gets caught it jail!!!!!!! um i thoought that the punishment was soft and i wounder y he got of so easy? but i guess what goes, goes then what can we do! If he did crash my bike it would have given me an excuse to go get another one with more power he would pay for of corse! But it ok I getting my bike soon so just have to wait!

Patrick

29th January 2007, 14:45

I assume you are making him pay for the impound and storage, and extra for all the 28 days of good weather riding you have missed out on...???

littleswettie_2006

29th January 2007, 14:50

I assume you are making him pay for the impound and storage, and extra for all the 28 days of good weather riding you have missed out on...???

yep for sure wouldn't have it any other way. he was a naughty boy and must learn to face som consequences sooner rather than lata

Edbear

29th January 2007, 15:03

yep for sure wouldn't have it any other way. he was a naughty boy and must learn to face som consequences sooner rather than lata

Good on you! If only everyone was made to face the consequences of their actions from an early age the world may be a better place!

I guess the likes of Patrick, SD, etc. would agree they must despair at times the leniency of the courts after all the crap they go through to catch and charge idiots...

Patrick

29th January 2007, 16:53

Good on you! If only everyone was made to face the consequences of their actions from an early age the world may be a better place!

I guess the likes of Patrick, SD, etc. would agree they must despair at times the leniency of the courts after all the crap they go through to catch and charge idiots...

Don't sweat the small stuff... they come again... and again...

Its where failed legal aid lawyers who become judges get their revenge...

littleswettie_2006

31st January 2007, 16:10

Don't sweat the small stuff... they come again... and again...

Its where failed legal aid lawyers who become judges get their revenge...

yea totally agree! however i find that the pe0ple who do idiodic poopee including my brother and his friends (that was my friend) give a bad rep to all bikers which sucks!

EZAS

31st January 2007, 19:35

I guess the likes of Patrick, SD, etc. would agree they must despair at times the leniency of the courts after all the crap they go through to catch and charge idiots...

The courts have to be lenient to make up for the brutality the cops dish out.
FFS .. this guy gets $400 and 3months loss of liscence. Cops need to take into consideration weither or not its worth chasing the guy. 6 cop cars all being a minimum of $20.10 and hour minimum. Its not worth the resources ($120.00 an hour) to chase one little punk kid on a motorbike who is obviously more of a danger to himself than to the community. Then there is the court costs (usually $130). So the gain the country gets from any of this is about $150 (taking into account a 3 hour processing time once he's caught with one person processing him the whole time). The country would have been better off if the cops fined someone going 55k in a 50k zone.

elle-f

31st January 2007, 20:10

something just........doesn't seem right!

Grub

31st January 2007, 23:25

How come it costs me $200 for not displaying my rego and it only costs him $400 for doing all of that??????

Waylander

1st February 2007, 01:03

How come it costs me $200 for not displaying my rego and it only costs him $400 for doing all of that??????

Why did it cost me $400 for not wearing my glasses when I don't even need them for driving?

Edbear

1st February 2007, 05:46

:sick:
Why did it cost me $400 for not wearing my glasses when I don't even need them for driving?

Unless it's on your licence as an endorsement you shouldn't have been charged. My daughter went through the issue as she needed them at the time for reading - naturally, sitting the test required her to use them, but her distance vision was fine. Had to insist that they weren't needed for driving and I think she may have had to get a letter from the Optometrist, but it was a while ago and I can't remember exactly.

EZAS, I understand your point, however it needs to be balanced against the bigger issue. If the cops let these youngsters get away with it where does that lead too? Far too many young ones are getting away with far too much and not being held accountable. Hence they push the limits further and I have some horrer stories I could tell you about the downtrack consequences.

And boy-racers, as these two were - giving bikers a bad name, yes, elle33f, are a danger to the public. Even a 250 is going to hurt someone at speed.

It's a case of, "Damned if we do, damned if we don't!", for the Police again. Imagine the outcry if they didn't apprehend them and the boy was killed or took someone else out? Unless the sentencing is stiff enough the kids simply wont take heed, they'll just laugh it off. The other comments made here about the imbalances in sentences highlight the problem.

scumdog

1st February 2007, 07:48

6 cop cars all being a minimum of $20.10 and hour minimum. Its not worth the resources ($120.00 an hour) to chase one little punk kid on a motorbike who is obviously more of a danger to himself than to the community. Then there is the court costs (usually $130). So the gain the country gets from any of this is about $150 (taking into account a 3 hour processing time once he's caught with one person processing him the whole time). The country would have been better off if the cops fined someone going 55k in a 50k zone.

So to make it fair the kid should have to pay for all of the above expenses -as well as his fine too!!!

BTW: The guys above are paid regardless, still I suppose if they weren't chasing a kid on a motorbike they would be probably be doing something more useful.(Like eating donuts or bashing hippies).

Lias

1st February 2007, 10:48

BTW: The guys above are paid regardless, still I suppose if they weren't chasing a kid on a motorbike they would be probably be doing something more useful.(Like eating donuts or bashing hippies).

I'd happily pay more taxes if I saw the cops beating up more hippies *grin*

marty

1st February 2007, 12:18

The courts have to be lenient to make up for the brutality the cops dish out.
FFS .. this guy gets $400 and 3months loss of liscence. Cops need to take into consideration weither or not its worth chasing the guy. 6 cop cars all being a minimum of $20.10 and hour minimum. Its not worth the resources ($120.00 an hour) to chase one little punk kid on a motorbike who is obviously more of a danger to himself than to the community. Then there is the court costs (usually $130). So the gain the country gets from any of this is about $150 (taking into account a 3 hour processing time once he's caught with one person processing him the whole time). The country would have been better off if the cops fined someone going 55k in a 50k zone.

it does depend on his age, although if he is 16 he will have an FGC, and maybe not even go to court, however for a 17 year old dangerous driving/riding and failing to stop carry a minimum of 6 months disqual, so to me, it sounds like either his age has been good to him, or he's bullshitting about the penalties. as i have only once seen a reduction in the minimum penalty (in an exceptional cirumstance) i'd pick the latter.

Waylander

1st February 2007, 16:56

:sick:

Unless it's on your licence as an endorsement you shouldn't have been charged. My daughter went through the issue as she needed them at the time for reading - naturally, sitting the test required her to use them, but her distance vision was fine. Had to insist that they weren't needed for driving and I think she may have had to get a letter from the Optometrist, but it was a while ago and I can't remember exactly.

Was at the time and the sunnies I was wearing were prescription. But as I've said on here before my prescription is small enough that even people with normal vision can still see through them.

Only reason they were even on my liscence back then was cause I happend to be wearing them last time I had gotten my liscence renewed.

Edbear

1st February 2007, 16:59

Was at the time and the sunnies I was wearing were prescription. But as I've said on here before my prescription is small enough that even people with normal vision can still see through them.

Only reason they were even on my liscence back then was cause I happend to be wearing them last time I had gotten my liscence renewed.

Beurocrats! (sp?) Just love 'em sometimes...

N4CR

1st February 2007, 19:57

so getting caught doing runners ain't too bad afterall sometimes...

ZeroIndex

1st February 2007, 22:50

so getting caught doing runners ain't too bad afterall sometimes...

I'm not gonna even start talking about my day... all I can say is, 2 incidents, 0 tickets

The Pastor

2nd February 2007, 08:05

This is pretty funny. To almost get away and then get caught! LOL

scracha

3rd February 2007, 01:33

it does depend on his age, although if he is 16 he will have an FGC, and maybe not even go to court, however for a 17 year old dangerous driving/riding and failing to stop carry a minimum of 6 months disqual, so to me, it sounds like either his age has been good to him, or he's bullshitting about the penalties. as i have only once seen a reduction in the minimum penalty (in an exceptional cirumstance) i'd pick the latter.

#@4ng ridiculous. I got fined nearly that amount for being overtaken by a blue hornet :yes: . If 16 year olds are RESPONSIBLE enough to be given a driving license then they should be RESPONSIBLE enough to take the full consequences.

As for bike being impounded. Why? He STOLE it didn't he? I mean, you didn't give an unlicensed rider permission to take your bike did you otherwise that could land you in hot water