Takas closed/partially blocked (21 January)

[sunhuntin]

found this on trademe....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=14864099&threadid=14864099

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=14863913&threadid=14863913

seems car v truck. closed till at least 5 from what the threads say.

[Colapop]

I was headed out that way too... I just thought "Nah I'll go Haywoods and see whats happening over there..." It that blurdy spooky bikers gut feeling I spose...

[crashe]

NZ Police CommCens Alert 12:00 21-01-2007 Wellington

Location of incident: SH 2 - Rimutaka Hill - Featherston Side

Incident Type: Crash - Truck v Car

Police are on way to a truck v car crash

Featherston side of Rimutaka Hill about 1 third of the way up.

Issued by: Sergeant Andy Dow

:scooter: :scooter:

Note: Trade Me members say it is closed til 5pm according to reading police comms email...

YET here is a exact copy of that email and there is nothing in there to say it is going to be closed down til 5pm !!!!!

[sunhuntin]

Incident Type: Fatal accident : SH2 Rimutaka : Update. Police staff at the scene of the accident are now suggesting that the road may have to stay closed for another three hours - until at least 5.00 p.m. and this time frame may have to be extended. The main reason is that a crane has to be used to lift the truck involved, back onto its wheels and then the truck will probably be transported away. Motorists from Wellington who wish to travel to Masterton or the other Wairarapa towns are advised that they may have to go via SH1 then turn off onto SH57, then onto SH3(through the Manawatu Gorge) and then onto SH2 which travels into the Wairarapa. The same applies to traffic from the Wairarapa wishing to travel to Wellington. Further updates will follow.

[bistard]

Thanks for that info,I just started a thread asking exactly what you have said
Pissed me off I only get one day off a week,when the weather is ok I go for a ride & the bloody hill is closed,just my luck

[Korea]

Way ahead of me too. Just got back from Akatarawas (sp?), which was awful (campervans and cars towing boats!).
On the way to Rimutakas got turned away by police as road closed.
Was wondering why and, yes, KB has all the info :niceone:

[sunhuntin]

goin by trademe theres a car under the truck...they dont know if theres anyone else in the car or not.

NZ Police CommCens Alert 16:15 21-01-2007 Wellington Location of incident: SH2 Rimutaka Hill - Wairarapa Incident Type: Accident Update 2: Rimutaka Hill Police staff at the scene of the estimate a now stating that they hope to have the road reopenned by 2000 hours tonight(8.00 p.m.).

[Madness]

I just got back from a day on the Rimutaka Hill. The Hutt side of the hill was fabulous all day. There was very litltle traffic, none in fact. I made good use of this by going up and down as many times as my petrol tank would allow, in a careful manner, of course.

It was indeed a truck-trailer unit that tipped over, right onto a car containing at least two people. The truck was travelling downhill on the Featherston side, the car travelling in the opposite direction. RIP.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're telling me!

Had one of my first outings in ages......was only gonna go over the hill, have a beer in the sun...and scoot back for a mates BBQ. Jimbo got the text that the hill was closed...had to go up to Pihiatua and over the track.
675 Daytona...first semi long ride in years....soaked....sore....still loved it!:scooter:

[roogazza]

Get up early guys !!!! empty roads , no fuck wits, and it was dry this morn !

You can be home by noon to mow the lawns....

I'd rather not ride at all, than ride in traffic ! Gaz.

[jimbo600]

You're telling me!

Had one of my first outings in ages......was only gonna go over the hill, have a beer in the sun...and scoot back for a mates BBQ. Jimbo got the text that the hill was closed...had to go up to Pihiatua and over the track.
675 Daytona...first semi long ride in years....soaked....sore....still loved it!:scooter:

Good to see ya out mate. Should come out for a burlah more often.

Shitty ride back. Pissed down form Paihiatua all the way to Battle Hill. Accident North of Paraparaumu and cages as far as the eye can see. Man I feel for those poor sods in cars returning from Wings over Wairarapa.

Apparently the hill was closed until 8 O'Clock

Trucks should be banned from going over there.

[chanceyy]

yeah well went to pull outta my driveway & it was just one long line of cars as far as the eye can see ... had to wait bout 5 mins for an opening & force my way in

& they are still ripping past now

[RT527]

Trucks should be banned from going over there.

Yup and are you gonna buy that next sack of potatoes for $25

Or are the people gonna complain when it costs $3 / litre at the pump.....or what about your favorite beer that comes down from the napier store of the carrying company are you gonna pay $15 per glass? a bit exagerated , but costs will go up as it would more than likely cost more to ship the stuff that buyers normally get cheaper from out of town(wairarapa way) than it is to pay local sellers(wgtn) higher premiums

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good to see ya out mate. Should come out for a burlah more often.

Shitty ride back. Pissed down form Paihiatua all the way to Battle Hill. Accident North of Paraparaumu and cages as far as the eye can see. Man I feel for those poor sods in cars returning from Wings over Wairarapa.

Apparently the hill was closed until 8 O'Clock

Trucks should be banned from going over there.

Tell me about it mate.....but yeah...traffic and 'detour' aside, was great to be out riding again!
Good to finally get a ride in with you.....there'll be more!

[jimbo600]

Yup and are you gonna buy that next sack of potatoes for $25

Or are the people gonna complain when it costs $3 / litre at the pump.....or what about your favorite beer that comes down from the napier store of the carrying company are you gonna pay $15 per glass? a bit exagerated , but costs will go up as it would more than likely cost more to ship the stuff that buyers normally get cheaper from out of town(wairarapa way) than it is to pay local sellers(wgtn) higher premiums

What a load of cock. There a good rail system there that could easily be put to use. Similar to the logging truck situation where they had to put the logs on the train.

And yeah I'd happily pay a little extra over having some b train on my side of the road or worse topple over on me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What a load of cock. There a good rail system there that could easily be put to use. Similar to the logging truck situation where they had to put the logs on the train.

And yeah I'd happily pay a little extra over having some b train on my side of the road or worse topple over on me.

I'm with you.....should've 'cut' the fucking tunnel a bit wider in the first place....then the dipshit cage pilots and trucks wouldn't go near the hill!

[apteryx_haasti]

I already posted this in the "Ladies..." thread - apparently the clean up on the takas includes cleaning up the load of SOAP POWDER that the truck-trailer was carrying. As well as the oil/diesel.

BE careful if you're heading over that in the morning, I guess!

Take care, everyone.

[skelstar]

I *was* going to wash my bike tomorrow...

[Beemer]

Glad we went to the airshow on Saturday and also glad we go over the top and down the Wairarapa, I wouldn't have been impressed to be a few cars back in the queue in the event of an accident on the hill. We were moaning enough about the extra 20 minutes or so due to the road being closed at Aokautere, requiring a detour via Ashhurst.

[Dadpole]

I got caught up in that on the way back from the Hutt and spent 3 hours waiting before they let through the 20 or so of us. One lane was clear all the time with no sign of load spillage. They closed the the whole road for scene investigation and to allow a clear road for the recovery crane.
It was a nasty sight, with no sign of the car. The truck was lying almost flat on its side, so the car would have been well crushed. I felt sorry for Dave, one of our local firemen, when I saw him having to get under there by the car.

[RT527]

What a load of cock. There a good rail system there that could easily be put to use. Similar to the logging truck situation where they had to put the logs on the train.

And yeah I'd happily pay a little extra over having some b train on my side of the road or worse topple over on me.


So because motorcycles crash and kill the rider and driver of the car he hit are we gonna ban them too...oh and shit the train just derailed and took out a family of 4 ...must..ban..train...fuc cessna crashed in local cemetry rescuers are working through the night to recover the body`s last count 700 and expected to rise hourly...must ban all light aircraft... ferry sinks and 300 lives are lost , oh dear cant flippin have that now can we.....Ban ferrys!!!.

Without trucks you can expect anything by rail to either get there 3 weeks later /broken or not at all.
So when you want that part for your bike that is couriered overnight on a TRUCK and is in your hand or on your bike the next morning so you can use it , it was there because of a truck!!!.

You could send it by rail...BWahahahahahahah but dont expect to ride your bike anytime in the next century!!!.

[jimbo600]

So because motorcycles crash and kill the rider and driver of the car he hit are we gonna ban them too...oh and shit the train just derailed and took out a family of 4 ...must..ban..train...fuc cessna crashed in local cemetry rescuers are working through the night to recover the body`s last count 700 and expected to rise hourly...must ban all light aircraft... ferry sinks and 300 lives are lost , oh dear cant flippin have that now can we.....Ban ferrys!!!.

Without trucks you can expect anything by rail to either get there 3 weeks later /broken or not at all.
So when you want that part for your bike that is couriered overnight on a TRUCK and is in your hand or on your bike the next morning so you can use it , it was there because of a truck!!!.

You could send it by rail...BWahahahahahahah but dont expect to ride your bike anytime in the next century!!!.

Well I may be mistaken but I've never nearly been collected by a ferry over the takas. But I sure as hell have had to evade a number of trucks going over there. And that particular road has been closed a number of times due to trucks hitting cars and themselves.

But I see your point. Stopping trucks going over the takas (mainly cattle trucks) would severely interrupt logistics all over NZ. I mean I wouldn't want my performance parts ordered from the US arriving next century because a stocktruck had to go via a different route.

Personally I say ban SUVs campervans, and people towing horse boxes too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well I may be mistaken but I've never nearly been collected by a ferry over the takas. But I sure as hell have had to evade a number of trucks going over there. And that particular road has been closed a number of times due to trucks hitting cars and themselves.


Personally I say ban SUVs campervans, and people towing horse boxes too.

Let alone the fucking diesel and shit that spills out of them.
C*nting trucks.....

[elle-f]

Well I may be mistaken but I've never nearly been collected by a ferry over the takas.

OMG you haven't? I nearly have and it wasn't pretty!

[Crasherfromwayback]

OMG you haven't? I nearly have and it wasn't pretty!

Not THAT sort of ferry.....:sick:

[jafar]

Let alone the fucking diesel and shit that spills out of them.
C*nting trucks.....

Maybey you should be looking @ the state of the roading network & asking yourself why it is in such a poor state, it isn't through lack of money thats for sure. Less than half of what is collected in RUC charges from the transport industry is allocated to the roading network & that doesn't take into account the petrol taxes you pay when you fill up your car or bike!
Include that figure & the ratio is less than 30% of collected revenue from the roads is put back to the roading network.

[jumma]

Two of us were heading back from Napier enjoying an ice cream just out of Masterton when a dude passing on a Blackbird saw us, and told us of the closure. This was at 3.30ish and he said it was going to be another few hours.
We already had plans to go for a dip in the river so took off towards Martinborough, had our swim, then headed out to Featherston to see what was up. 6 o'clockish we got to the intersection when Stew from TSS jumped out infront of us to tell us it was still shut and was likely to be open about 8ish.
Tossed up whether to find some accomodation or wait it out, so we headed to Greytown for a feed and to waste some more time. Got back to the pub in Featherston about 8ish and all the bikes had gone! So we crawled up the right hand side of the road (passing the kilometres of cars lined up) and arrived at the twin bridges where about 20 or so bikes had amassed at the road closed barrier. It was now 8.30 and we had word it would be another hour. Finally at ten we were back on the bikes waiting for our police escort to take just the bikes up through the accident site, and then we had the hill to ourselves and were back in town by 11.
Was sorry to hear it was a fatal accident and I really felt bad for the rescue services who had to deal with not only the crash and clean up but the thousand of motorists getting pissed at them for doing their job.
With SH1 being blocked as well it really pointed out how inaccessible Wellington can become sometimes.

Big ups must go to Stew for keeping all the bikers informed and even shouting them all a drink at the pub as they turned up:rockon:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybey you should be looking @ the state of the roading network & asking yourself why it is in such a poor state,

It's hardly the roading network's problem that half of the fat arseholes driving trucks spill diesel everywhere out of the tanks they forget to put the caps back on. And the liquid shit that poors out of the cattle trucks? Is that the roading networks problem too?

[James Deuce]

RT527 has a personal stake in the trucking business, so he's hardly likely to be unbiased in his arguments.

Bit like bikers really.

But I think he's deliberately missing the point. Most other "developed" countries use rail to shift bulk goods, and certainly don't send B Trains over alpine passes. HGVs (as they are called in Europe) are used for transcontinental work, not 70 kilometer trips to move soap powder around. I was once missed by inches by one of those giant mining dump trucks on the Rimutakas, and that was while pulled over in a passing bay, as far away as possible from the other side of the road.

They've banned logging trucks on the Rimutakas, time to get rid of all vehicles over 20 tonnes, not just because of fatal accidents either. If it has a trailer, it can't complete that 13km stretch of road without spending some time on the wrong side of the road. That isn't acceptable, and neither is the stress it puts on the braking system of a fully loaded 42 tonne vehicle.

[Kickaha]

But I think he's deliberately missing the point. Most other "developed" countries use rail to shift bulk goods


most other developed countries probably have an efficent rail system unlike ours

[James Deuce]

We only have ourselves to blame for that, and we can't develop it, if we don't use it.

[Lou Girardin]

Without trucks you can expect anything by rail to either get there 3 weeks later /broken or not at all.
So when you want that part for your bike that is couriered overnight on a TRUCK and is in your hand or on your bike the next morning so you can use it , it was there because of a truck!!!.

You could send it by rail...BWahahahahahahah but dont expect to ride your bike anytime in the next century!!!.

That was in 1987, Prebble used it as an excuse to sell Rail (Save Rail, yeah right) to his fat-cat mates, Fay/Richwhite did extremely well out of us on that one.
If he'd put the same energy into fixing the problems, we'd now have a usable long distance freight system backed up by road freight. But with fewer trucks on our inadequate roads.

[RT527]

No not missing the point , I understand the point.

If its too hard ban it, seems to be the flavour of the month, let us not forget that we pay a much bigger slice of taxes to use the roads.

However I am all for rail taking the bulk of freight but I still cant see them getting it Right.

I have delivered freight to rail heads and its still a shambles.

What i find upsetting is that most people are calling for banning of trucks on a personal basis , IE I want to have a play but cant because theres lots of trucks that might kill me.

I have to drive one of the biggest combinations in the country at the moment back from whitianga fully loaded either to Tauranga or Auckland ports, and most of the time I spend over the centre line on the two main hills, Tairua And Kopu-hikuai`s , However I come to an almost stop on most of the blind corners because I know that some dick head coming over the hill will be hugging or over the centre line.

It all comes down to Being Professional about your work and I try My hardest at this.

Sorry If I seem biased , But im sick of people saying ban this or cant say that or cant do this.

Its my life I`ll do what I friggan want .

[James Deuce]

No not missing the point , I understand the point.



Yes you are.

B Trains can't cross the Rimutakas without going on the wrong side of the road at some point. They shouldn't be using it for heavy freight, the road isn't designed for it. The rail tunnel was put in specifically for freight first, passengers second. They should use it instead of risking the lives of people not really expecting to be crushed by a truck with no brakes.

[RT527]

Yes you are.

B Trains can't cross the Rimutakas without going on the wrong side of the road at some point. They shouldn't be using it for heavy freight, the road isn't designed for it. The rail tunnel was put in specifically for freight first, passengers second. They should use it instead of risking the lives of people not really expecting to be crushed by a truck with no brakes.

Ive taken 40 foot trailers over the Taka`s which cut in excessivly more than a B train ever will, and I can say that on only 1 or 3 corners that I can remember did i cross the centre line.

Most of the ones that cross the line are driving too fast for the conditions...and the road to Whitianga is far worse than the Takas are for corners and the whiritoa gorge is even worse!!!.

[jimbo600]

Ive taken 40 foot trailers over the Taka`s which cut in excessivly more than a B train ever will, and I can say that on only 1 or 3 corners that I can remember did i cross the centre line.

Most of the ones that cross the line are driving too fast for the conditions...and the road to Whitianga is far worse than the Takas are for corners and the whiritoa gorge is even worse!!!.

So by you own admission then you cross the center line. Reinforces my original point really.

[RT527]

So by you own admission then you cross the center line. Reinforces my original point really.

Read my previous and read through every flamin thing I`ve written.

I slow down well in advance of any stage of having to cross the centre line.

I make sure that nothing is coming as much as possible , therefore I reiterate its not the vehicles rather the road/Driver/conditions etc etc.

And as i said Before I agree things should go by rail...IF THEY CAN SOUGHT THEIR SHIT OUT.
Until then stop trying to ban things cause it goes bad now and again.

[James Deuce]

Ive taken 40 foot trailers over the Taka`s which cut in excessivly more than a B train ever will, and I can say that on only 1 or 3 corners that I can remember did i cross the centre line.

Most of the ones that cross the line are driving too fast for the conditions...and the road to Whitianga is far worse than the Takas are for corners and the whiritoa gorge is even worse!!!.

Haven't seen any 40ft trailers since they banned logging trucks on the Rimutakas. I know you do your best, but it isn't acceptable to cross the centre line. If the road can't take the traffic then the traffic shouldn't be on it.

I wrote my TRX off because of a truck clipping the hill, rupturing its diesel tank and pulling down half a corner, so I am a bit biased. I don't understand how you can think it is OK for trucks and truck drivers to continually cause serious accidents that threaten and sometimes take life and limb.

[Madness]

I've come across quite a few dark blue stationwagons on my side of centre up there too. Fuckers.

I think the crash at Manakau (Levin) today involved a truck and a car, several fatalaties. That happened on SH1, wouldn't want to suggest we ban trucks there too would we?.

Trucks are a part of our countries infrastructure, just like our fucked up roading network. We have to live with it and unfortunately way too many of us are dying with it also. How retarded is country going to get if certain vehicles were banned from certain highways. We'd need coloured lines along the road like the floors in hospital corridoors. It's going to take another 50 years to fix this problem unless we sell the whole place to the Chinese.

[Ixion]

There is no excuse at all for any vehicle crossing the centreline on a blind bend (or, indeed, at all, except obviously for overtaking).

If large trucks cannot negotiate the roads without crossing the line, the obvious answer seems to be to use smaller trucks. The rare instance where a very large lorry is needed for an oversize load , have pilot vehicles (as at present).

The trend toward monstrous oversize American trucks is driven by one thing only, profits for the trucking companies. They are no doubt suitable for US freeways, but not suitable for our much more demanding roads.

If it won't fit on the roads, it should not be on the roads.

I know of at least one motorcyclist killed by a truck taking up two lanes to do a left turn.

[jimbo600]

Read my previous and read through every flamin thing I`ve written.

I slow down well in advance of any stage of having to cross the centre line.

I make sure that nothing is coming as much as possible , therefore I reiterate its not the vehicles rather the road/Driver/conditions etc etc.

And as i said Before I agree things should go by rail...IF THEY CAN SOUGHT THEIR SHIT OUT.
Until then stop trying to ban things cause it goes bad now and again.

Exactly, by your account you appear to be the best truckie in NZ and you still have to cross the centerline, which therefore augments my original statement that they should be banned from the Takas. Its not the driver, its just that they're too big for a bit of road that wasn't designed for them.

[jimbo600]

Haven't seen any 40ft trailers since they banned logging trucks on the Rimutakas. I know you do your best, but it isn't acceptable to cross the centre line. If the road can't take the traffic then the traffic shouldn't be on it.

I wrote my TRX off because of a truck clipping the hill, rupturing its diesel tank and pulling down half a corner, so I am a bit biased. I don't understand how you can think it is OK for trucks and truck drivers to continually cause serious accidents that threaten and sometimes take life and limb.

Saw logging trucks going over it the other day fuckers.

[jimbo600]

I've come across quite a few dark blue stationwagons on my side of centre up there too. Fuckers.

I think the crash at Manakau (Levin) today involved a truck and a car, several fatalaties. That happened on SH1, wouldn't want to suggest we ban trucks there too would we?.

Trucks are a part of our countries infrastructure, just like our fucked up roading network. We have to live with it and unfortunately way too many of us are dying with it also. How retarded is country going to get if certain vehicles were banned from certain highways. We'd need coloured lines along the road like the floors in hospital corridoors. It's going to take another 50 years to fix this problem unless we sell the whole place to the Chinese.

Truckie high on P and exceeding hours no doubt

[Lissa]

Just out of curiosity (sp?) since when have logging trucks been banned from the hill... although a good idea, I never knew that...and been told thats rubbish.

on a side note: is it safe for a noobie to go up there tom morning? Have they cleaned the soap off the road.

[jimbo600]

Just out of curiosity (sp?) since when have logging trucks been banned from the hill... although a good idea, I never knew that...and been told thats rubbish.

on a side note: is it safe for a noobie to go up there tom morning? Have they cleaned the soap off the road.

Yeah its good. No soapy residue or gravel. You should be sweet.

[Lissa]

Yeah its good. No soapy residue or gravel. You should be sweet.

Cheersl! Going to be an awesome day AGAIN in the wairarapa tomorrow... been looking forward to riding up the hill again.

[rwh]

Exactly, by your account you appear to be the best truckie in NZ and you still have to cross the centerline, which therefore augments my original statement that they should be banned from the Takas. Its not the driver, its just that they're too big for a bit of road that wasn't designed for them.

In fact, you don't really need to ban them, do you? You can ticket them for what they're already doing. Stick in a few centreline cameras, and we'll be sweet :)

That's better, in fact, because it will get the folks who are merely too lazy to stay on their own side, as well as the ones that can't.

Richard
(No, I haven't seriously thought about how a centreline camera could actually figure out when something's crossing the line illegally :whocares:)

[RT527]

Haven't seen any 40ft trailers since they banned logging trucks on the Rimutakas. I know you do your best, but it isn't acceptable to cross the centre line. If the road can't take the traffic then the traffic shouldn't be on it.

I wrote my TRX off because of a truck clipping the hill, rupturing its diesel tank and pulling down half a corner, so I am a bit biased. I don't understand how you can think it is OK for trucks and truck drivers to continually cause serious accidents that threaten and sometimes take life and limb.

ok then you better go do some statistic searching , for instance you guys are always blaming the truck driver , another thing if i cant get around a corner because i cant go over the centre line then fuck it ill sit there all day and block the lane then.
Another thing at no stage do i think it ok for anyone to crash and kill somebody else nor do i condone it.
also, i never said i was the best i just try harder not to do things wrong.


Truckie high on P and exceeding hours no doubt
Today

Any proof to back that up before you slander his name....no , didnt think so.

and ive been to accidents caused by farmers crossing there cows , so lets ban them from getting to the milk shed....Farm tractors on the road, biggest hazard out there.

I`m not saying its right!!, but get over it and have some courtesy for all road users , it would stop a lot of accidents.



There is no excuse at all for any vehicle crossing the centreline on a blind bend (or, indeed, at all, except obviously for overtaking).
If large trucks cannot negotiate the roads without crossing the line, the obvious answer seems to be to use smaller trucks. The rare instance where a very large lorry is needed for an oversize load , have pilot vehicles (as at present).

The trend toward monstrous oversize American trucks is driven by one thing only, profits for the trucking companies. They are no doubt suitable for US freeways, but not suitable for our much more demanding roads.

If it won't fit on the roads, it should not be on the roads.

I know of at least one motorcyclist killed by a truck taking up two lanes to do a left turn.

yeah fair enough ....but you cant use smaller trucks for 40 foot containers that weigh 27 tonne putting me 44 tonne all up (legally) so dont blame the truckies , we use vehicles that the ltnz approve so its the govt`s fault. If you ban trucks from carting from the smaller suppliers , you will cause thousands of job lose`s and small businesses to close,its just not economically viable to cart small bit loads from these suppliers.

Having said that , you still need trucks to get the goods to the rail anyway.

the accidents that I know of which has been caused by ma pa and kids in a cage and doing something wrong or illegal Is greater than the truck being at fault or the driver, so stop driving/riding stoopidly and it wont happen as much!!!.

[RT527]

I do realise this isnt a personal attack and you have concerns so why isnt the road being repaired/ straightened a lot faster than it is.
We shouldnt be blaming anyone but ourselves , instead we need to do something about the roading issues and fast.

[jimbo600]

I do realise this isnt a personal attack and you have concerns so why isnt the road being repaired/ straightened a lot faster than it is.
We shouldnt be blaming anyone but ourselves , instead we need to do something about the roading issues and fast.

Apparently the Rimutaka Hill Road committee have plans to do just that over a 10 year period. Probably quicker to punch a hole through it though. They've done it once already for the already established on here sub standard rail service.

My idea was best of all. Run the road like a trackday. Fast guys from say 0800-1100 medium after that followed by HT guys. (just kidding by the way)

[James Deuce]

ok then you better go do some statistic searching , for instance you guys are always blaming the truck driver , another thing if i cant get around a corner because i cant go over the centre line then fuck it ill sit there all day and block the lane then.
Another thing at no stage do i think it ok for anyone to crash and kill somebody else nor do i condone it.
also, i never said i was the best i just try harder not to do things wrong.



Think about that comment for a second and then come back with something a little less emo, OK? Just calm down and think for a second. Remember my insurance claim went through and I didn't lose my no claims, or have my premium jacked, so I might not be talking rubbish.

[Ixion]

,,,
yeah fair enough ....but you cant use smaller trucks for 40 foot containers that weigh 27 tonne putting me 44 tonne all up (legally) so dont blame the truckies , we use vehicles that the ltnz approve so its the govt`s fault. If you ban trucks from carting from the smaller suppliers , you will cause thousands of job lose`s and small businesses to close,its just not economically viable to cart small bit loads from these suppliers.

Having said that , you still need trucks to get the goods to the rail anyway.

.

Not the weight, I think, it's the turning circle. If a truck can't safely get a 40 footer into a location, then use a 20 footer. There wouldn't be many roads in NZ that a single 20 foot container would be too much of a handful. there's no actual LAW says that stuff may only be shipped in 40 footers.

I agree that the driver can't be blamed for driving a vehicle that's approved. So the ball does come back to the LTNZ.

I don't see any need to ban trucks. Just use smaller ones for places where the roads are narrow and winding. That would actually mean MORE jobs . and by definition smaller suppliers don't need big trucks. In fact most small businesses I know, it is the reverse, they complain that freight companies don't want to take their loads because they are too small to fill a big truck.

So, where's the problem with using two small trucks instead of one huge one?

[James Deuce]

ok then you better go do some statistic searching , for instance you guys are always blaming the truck driver , another thing if i cant get around a corner because i cant go over the centre line then fuck it ill sit there all day and block the lane then.
Another thing at no stage do i think it ok for anyone to crash and kill somebody else nor do i condone it.
also, i never said i was the best i just try harder not to do things wrong.



Any proof to back that up before you slander his name....no , didnt think so.

and ive been to accidents caused by farmers crossing there cows , so lets ban them from getting to the milk shed....Farm tractors on the road, biggest hazard out there.

I`m not saying its right!!, but get over it and have some courtesy for all road users , it would stop a lot of accidents.



yeah fair enough ....but you cant use smaller trucks for 40 foot containers that weigh 27 tonne putting me 44 tonne all up (legally) so dont blame the truckies , we use vehicles that the ltnz approve so its the govt`s fault. If you ban trucks from carting from the smaller suppliers , you will cause thousands of job lose`s and small businesses to close,its just not economically viable to cart small bit loads from these suppliers.

Having said that , you still need trucks to get the goods to the rail anyway.

the accidents that I know of which has been caused by ma pa and kids in a cage and doing something wrong or illegal Is greater than the truck being at fault or the driver, so stop driving/riding stoopidly and it wont happen as much!!!.

The accident on the weekend was caused by the truck running out of brakes and tipping over negotiating a corner and crushing a car. Hardly ma and pa's fault.

I can't remember the last time I saw containers on the Rimutakas. It's mostly bulk goods for Supermarkets and seasonal stock truck runs and apparently logs again.

[rwh]

....but you cant use smaller trucks for 40 foot containers that weigh 27 tonne

Sure - but trains handle them fine, right? Isn't the whole point of shipping containers that they're easy to move from one vehicle to another?


If you ban trucks from carting from the smaller suppliers , you will cause thousands of job lose`s and small businesses to close,its just not economically viable to cart small bit loads from these suppliers.

Having said that , you still need trucks to get the goods to the rail anyway.

Of course. I can't see anyone having a problem with trucks being used to get goods between businesses and railyards (or between businesses that are close enough together). Only really big or conveniently located businesses can sensibly have their own sidings.

And of course there would be a bit of pain during the reform; it's not how we're used to working, so I'm not surprised it doesn't work well. But a little pressure from the govt, whether by banning trucks from particular roads, or increasing RUC or whatever, would result in enough investment to fix that.

Richard

[Dadpole]

The accident on the weekend was caused by the truck running out of brakes and tipping over negotiating a corner and crushing a car.

Have you seen the tyre marks from the truck? It looked to be leaving rubber on the road going into the corner, giving the appearance of heavy braking to the point where it turned over.

Just an observation 10 minutes after the event.

[James Deuce]

Yeah, I saw them on the Monday. Scary stuff.

[pzkpfw]

A few Takas' trips ago I came across an event on the Featherston side a few minutes after it happened.

An uphill truck and a downhill truck had met at a sharp bend, and their right-front-corners had connected.

I have no idea which truck crossed the centre line, or if any real blame was to be had.

But what I saw as I waited (I was on the bike so was waved through much sooner than the cars) was:

- the uphill truck could not back down - too hard with the trailer and the road curves.

- the downhill truck (no trailer) was having trouble backing - because of the curve, and his driving wheels were bouncing and skipping.

So regardless of fault, it seems an accident on that hill involving a truck (or two) has extra stuff-up-the-road effects.



(How often do trains actually go through the tunnel? Could the tracks be paved either side so that trucks could use the tunnel beween trains? (one way))

Cheers,

[James Deuce]

(How often do trains actually go through the tunnel? Could the tracks be paved either side so that trucks could use the tunnel between trains? (one way))

Cheers,

There's a bloke with his brain turned on.

[elle-f]

The problem with the Takas is that there is nowhere to go if you see somebody coming towards you if you aren't in one of those little sitby places. I have encountered many trucks that are on my side of the road when i am heading over the hill. I wouldn't say it's the drivers fault though - it's just that the road is too thin.

[James Deuce]

Exactly elle, and none of us are blaming the driver. However if the road isn't suitable for heavy transport, and look at how many brake failures the Rimutakas generates and it is only 13km of windy hill road, then it should rated as unsuitable and heavy transport should find an alternate route or medium.

[RT527]

There's a bloke with his brain turned on.

Yeah only problem with that is a curtainsider would go in and come out a flat deck lol.

[RT527]

Sure - but trains handle them fine, right? Isn't the whole point of shipping containers that they're easy to move from one vehicle to another?

ok there is no rail tracks to Whitianga or the coromandels, so trains wont work. Also there isnt rail tracks to every factory/timber yard/distribution yard so you still need the trucks to get them to the rail head.


or increasing RUC or whatever, would result in enough investment to fix that.

We already contribute more than our fair share at the moment, actually way too much because the govt sees fit to only use half of it for roads, the rest goes into general coffers.

[RT527]

The accident on the weekend was caused by the truck running out of brakes and tipping over negotiating a corner and crushing a car. Hardly ma and pa's fault.

I can't remember the last time I saw containers on the Rimutakas. It's mostly bulk goods for Supermarkets and seasonal stock truck runs and apparently logs again.

Yup I never said that one was anyone elses but the drivers fault, and have said time and again that All people need to drive to the conditions that driver was obviously going too fast , if you are in the correct gear/road speed you will not use your brakes up coming over the takas.

[RT527]

So, where's the problem with using two small trucks instead of one huge one?

ok the problem would be and I`ve been told this by the shipper that any less than 1800 boxs of mussels per container cuts into the profit margins and you can only just get 1800 or a little bit over that into a 40 footer.

They do use 20 footers for speacial orders tho.

Ohh btw you cant use 2 20 foot containers to put 1800 boxs of mussels in because they wont fit....if you think about it theres only 1 refrigerater unit on a 40 so if you used 2 20`s then that would be 2 units and this cuts down the cubic space within the 40 foot length.

[Fatjim]

Fuck the trucks.

They cross the centre line.
They leave cow shit everywhere.
They spill diesel.

[RT527]

Think about that comment for a second and then come back with something a little less emo, OK? Just calm down and think for a second. Remember my insurance claim went through and I didn't lose my no claims, or have my premium jacked, so I might not be talking rubbish.

ok my bad i wasnt refering to this accident rather the one at Manakau which incidently was caused by the car losing control.

What i`m trying to say is more often than not it is the car that lose`s control and the poor truckie is just along for the ride.

[RT527]

I dont see anyone calling for the banning of trains after someone was killed on a crossing yesterday after being hit by a train, which if you all have your way and use more trains for freight , then we will see more instances of rail crossing accidents as the more freight moved by means more trains on the tracks.

[Ixion]

ok the problem would be and I`ve been told this by the shipper that any less than 1800 boxs of mussels per container cuts into the profit margins and you can only just get 1800 or a little bit over that into a 40 footer.

They do use 20 footers for speacial orders tho.

Ohh btw you cant use 2 20 foot containers to put 1800 boxs of mussels in because they wont fit....if you think about it theres only 1 refrigerater unit on a 40 so if you used 2 20`s then that would be 2 units and this cuts down the cubic space within the 40 foot length.

So, what that comes down to, is peoples' lives are being put at risk rather than cut into the shipper's profit margin. The unacceptable face of capitalism if ever I saw it.

If 1800 boxes won't fit into 2 x 20 footers then put 1500 or what does fit and stuff the bloody shipper's profit margins.

[Fatjim]

I dont see anyone calling for the banning of trains after someone was killed on a crossing yesterday after being hit by a train, which if you all have your way and use more trains for freight , then we will see more instances of rail crossing accidents as the more freight moved by means more trains on the tracks.
Did the train cross the centre line? drop diesel, or cow shit?

[RT527]

Exactly elle, and none of us are blaming the driver. However if the road isn't suitable for heavy transport, and look at how many brake failures the Rimutakas generates and it is only 13km of windy hill road, then it should rated as unsuitable and heavy transport should find an alternate route or medium.


It all comes down to driver skill or lack there of, my truck is only a year old has disc bracks on 4 axles of the trailer and stops on a dime , however i never trust my brakes to stop me fully loaded, or i should say I dont rely on my brakes to stop me , i just drive to the conditions and if that means 20 kmph down a hill in the correct gear then thats how I`ll do it.

Most old time drivers will say down the hill at the same speed you came up them.

But with technology today most trucks have an engine brake or retarder that has as much horsepower available to them as the engine horsepower to slow them down.

So why are the still going over, I know the reason and so do Cviu and Acc.
I wont say on here tho.

[Ixion]

I don't see anyone calling for the BANNING of trucks. Just not using trucks which are too big for the road in question. One point worth considering (well, I think it is anyway), using appropriate sized vehicles, means more demand for drivers, and thus higher wages (and reduced unemployment). A win all round it seems to me, except for the poor old supplier with his "cut into " profits. Bugger him.

[James Deuce]

So why are the still going over, I know the reason and so do Cviu and Acc.
I wont say on here tho.
Why? because it comes down to people's lives being worth less than the contents of a 20ft or 40ft container?

I think we've established that the average truckie cares little for the havoc he leaves behind him, and that trucking firms value revenue and profit margin more than the life of a driver or other road users.

As Ixion said, and as I said before, use trucks that are suitable for the road. If it has to cross the centre line, it isn't suitable.

The major problem we face in NZ is that we sold our railways to an Aussie trucking firm. The railways will never be a freight alternative until they are removed.

[RT527]

and that trucking firms value revenue and profit margin more than the life of a driver or other road users.

Leave the truckies out of it ...they are just trying to pay there wages in an understaffed under paid industry

What you said in the quote comes down to it in one word Money....for fucks sake people if this is your attitude to someone trying to put his point across while at the same time
listening and understanding what it is you are on about then why do i bother, you guys have already made your mind up , i dont know why i bother...if you guys have all the answers fucking do something about it , but i can see a much bigger picture.

Smaller trucks actually have a higher point loading on the roads , are usually lower horsepower resulting in more diesel consumption and higher emmisions smaller trucks hurt just as much as big ones you drongos, seems like if it isnt a bike then its not important.
A two axle truck will tip over a lot faster than my Quad axle trailer even with a large/high load on.
your average driver does give a fuck about all the things you mention its the below average truckie that we need to re train or tell to piss off.

Our company has a policy of if your going to go over your hours for the day we will book you into a motel, this has only come about since they started giving tickets to dispatches. This is happining more often with most companys now because the dispatcher and owner of the co can be held accountable for his drivers actions.

Oh yeah and profit margins is where it is all at , if they dont make a profit they start sacking people until theres no one to work for them , then they go overseas to china and pay someone a dollar a day to do the same job, then where will our economy be?, as for the trains , they do drop oil on the roads they do create hazards of derailments on tracks that run parallel to roads.

you people are the consumers that need /want your stuff delivered straight away, you want to go to the warehouse and buy what ever right there off the shelf, so like i said before start putting some consideration into your driving riding and you will find that these things dont happen as much (accidents)you guys dont care about my view so why should i give a flying about what you think....except that i do because I dont want a closed mind about it, ........

[James Deuce]

:Pokey: Gotcha!


Settle down :dodge:

[RT527]

:Pokey: Gotcha!


Settle down :dodge:

:sick: :shutup: :nono: :Punk: :shit: :gob: :dodge: :whocares:

[James Deuce]

:nya::nya:

[Ixion]

Leave the truckies out of it ...they are just trying to pay there wages in an understaffed under paid industry


Not the truck drivers fault, they just have to do as they're told. The cartage firms (and most of them are big corporations ), that's another matter,. They're gthe ones making the big profits (checked Toll Holdings profit lately?). I know a lot of trucks are owner/driver, but they're mostly contracted to the corporations, and don't actualy get more than a living wage out of it at best.



Smaller trucks actually have a higher point loading on the roads , are usually lower horsepower resulting in more diesel consumption and higher emmisions smaller trucks hurt just as much as big ones you drongos, seems like if it isnt a bike then its not important.
A two axle truck will tip over a lot faster than my Quad axle trailer even with a large/high load on.
your average driver does give a fuck about all the things you mention its the below average truckie that we need to re train or tell to piss off.

The issue was big trucks crossing the centre line. I don't really give a stuff about emissions, there's Geenies to worry about that. What I DO care about is not finding a humungeous Yank truck barrelling toward me n my side of the road, cos he can't fit around the corner any other way.

And if the truck tips easily, easy answer, reduce the load.



Our company has a policy of if your going to go over your hours for the day we will book you into a motel, this has only come about since they started giving tickets to dispatches. This is happining more often with most companys now because the dispatcher and owner of the co can be held accountable for his drivers actions.

Too right. Hold the capitalists responsible, not the poor sod who just follows orders.


Oh yeah and profit margins is where it is all at , if they dont make a profit they start sacking people until theres no one to work for them , then they go overseas to china and pay someone a dollar a day to do the same job, then where will our economy be?, ..

Well, I've got an answer to that problem. Though how are freight firms going to pay someone in China to deliver freight in NZ ?

(BTW, even when they DO make a profit , like as not they still sack the people, cos China's cheaper. Until Kiwis are working for a dollar a day too. Air NZ anyone?)

[RT527]

What I DO care about is not finding a humungeous Yank truck barrelling toward me n my side of the road, cos he can't fit around the corner any other way.

Yeah only thing i can say is if hes barreling round a corner he shouldnt be driving.....I went to whitianga again on thursday , and I made a point of trying to stay in my lane......i could do it on most corners but there was one or two that I couldnt do it and had to go over the centre line , I was only doing 10 kmph tho and was very weary of oncoming vehicles. reason i go this slow is if anythings going to happen at least they have a chance of correcting and going around me.

My trailer would only cross about a foot over at the most on the last two axles befor the steering axles take effect and bring it back to my side.


Another point , there has been 4 accidents in the last week of trucks versus cars.......i`ll word it correctly now..Cars Versus Trucks.(cept the takas one.)

The takas one was the only one that wasnt the car drivers fault , the one in manakau the driver lost control and crossed to centre line, the next on the napier -taupo rd ...same thing.

then there was one last night in which a car crossed over to the wrong side of the road and hit a parked milk tanker.....what I want to know is where are the howls of protest coming from you guys about these cars crossing the centre line !.

Sorry i couldnt resist it ...it has nothing to do with the origanal post , but it makes you think about how many of the accidents are actually caused by the truck driver.

[Ixion]

Another point , there has been 4 accidents in the last week of trucks versus cars.......i`ll word it correctly now..Cars Versus Trucks.(cept the takas one.)

The takas one was the only one that wasnt the car drivers fault , the one in manakau the driver lost control and crossed to centre line, the next on the napier -taupo rd ...same thing.

then there was one last night in which a car crossed over to the wrong side of the road and hit a parked milk tanker.....what I want to know is where are the howls of protest coming from you guys about these cars crossing the centre line !.

Sorry i couldnt resist it ...it has nothing to do with the origanal post , but it makes you think about how many of the accidents are actually caused by the truck driver.

You answered your own question. Why are there no howls of protest about cars crossing the centre line? Because when a car crosses the centre line it's incompetant idiot drivers. Which we do all protest about. But there's no point in singling out one aspect of their incompetance.

But trucks over the centre line is a different matter. That's not down to the driver (well, not always , anyway). Often, as you have stated, the driver HAS NO CHOICE. He is FORCED to do something that is obviously dangerous. Do you not see how stupid that is - that the authorities allow vehicles to be used (and usually, it's not the driver that makes that choice, he's just doing his job) which HAVE to be driven dangerously ?

[jimbo600]

Yeah only thing i can say is if hes barreling round a corner he shouldnt be driving.....I went to whitianga again on thursday , and I made a point of trying to stay in my lane......i could do it on most corners but there was one or two that I couldnt do it and had to go over the centre line , I was only doing 10 kmph tho and was very weary of oncoming vehicles. reason i go this slow is if anythings going to happen at least they have a chance of correcting and going around me.

My trailer would only cross about a foot over at the most on the last two axles befor the steering axles take effect and bring it back to my side.


Another point , there has been 4 accidents in the last week of trucks versus cars.......i`ll word it correctly now..Cars Versus Trucks.(cept the takas one.)

The takas one was the only one that wasnt the car drivers fault , the one in manakau the driver lost control and crossed to centre line, the next on the napier -taupo rd ...same thing.

then there was one last night in which a car crossed over to the wrong side of the road and hit a parked milk tanker.....what I want to know is where are the howls of protest coming from you guys about these cars crossing the centre line !.

Sorry i couldnt resist it ...it has nothing to do with the origanal post , but it makes you think about how many of the accidents are actually caused by the truck driver.

I'd have to say that of all the car vs truck accidents most of the blame is afforded to the car driver. Truck drivers are probably the most professional and experienced drivers on the roads.

[Str8 Jacket]

I went over the Takas today on my way back from Napier. I hated it. Despite scraping my boots through a few of the corners I noticed how badly in need of repair the road is! I absolutely hated how long I was held up in traffic for over most of the hill. It was a huuge let down after I was looking so forward to it! In all fairness though I have just ridden 3-4000 k's of road up North back to Akld to Napier then Wellys so maybe I was just being pedantic...

[Wasp]

I nearly binned it on wednesday night, fucking hoons - slow down!

[Madness]

I nearly binned it on wednesday night, fucking hoons - slow down!


You been getting your knee down again Doug?

[Wasp]

no but i got it this close (-1cm-) to the armco after locking (part locking?) both the front and the rear and drifting the bike fully sideways (any closer and i would have probably broken my leg or something)

after it didnt lowside im fuggin lucky it didnt throw me off over the bank when it tipped up again too

lesson learnt though - dont try catch pgtr when he's had a head start, the takas are poked and you havnt been riding for 3 months