ZXR250 (A & C Models) Spanner Night

[placidfemme]

Hey...

I've noticed that since I wrote my ZXR off in 2005, that there are so many small things that a rider should know about thier bike. I've noticed that there are a few ZXR riders on KB and was pondering the idea of a Spanner Night type set up just for ZXR's.

This is just an idea, and depending on interest there would be a lot to sort out...

However, if theres any stuff you would like to learn about your ZXR then post that here and we'll see if we can organise a get-together with some experienced (mechanically-wise) KBer's (who don't need to ride a ZXR... but knows the in's and out's of them).

Some common things are:

Fairing Removal (you never know)
Oil Change
Spark Plug changing
Bleeding Brakes
Battery Removal (I've been PM'd before asking how to remove the battery)
Checking brake fluid levels
Checking coolant levels
Adjusting levers (brake & Clutch... simple I know)
Adjusting suspension
Chain adjustment
Camchain tensioners (for those that stick)
Which tools are needed
De-restriction
Lubing Cables (Clutch)

Any other common things that ZXR owners should know?

Any ideas in regards to this?

Who's interested?

Who's willing to help?

[masterofpuppets]

sounds like a pretty sweet idea.
i cant attend as i'm in wellington, but i have done lots of work to mine and know it pretty well inside out. so if anybody has any questions regarding them just send me a pm and i'd be more than happy to help out
Nick

[placidfemme]

sounds like a pretty sweet idea.
i cant attend as i'm in wellington, but i have done lots of work to mine and know it pretty well inside out. so if anybody has any questions regarding them just send me a pm and i'd be more than happy to help out
Nick

Thank you :)

Some other suggestions are...

Which tools you need. As some parts require specific tools that don't come in your standard warehouse toolkit, and if anyone is like me... this part would come in handy when buying tools to work on your own bike.

I'm not sure how in depth people would want to go, but maybe we could also cover some basic servicing information.

If the night goes ahead, I'm also happy to make a picture document on "How to...." and post them up on KB for those out of town and others who are unable to make the evening...

[Jeaves]

Hav'nt dealt with a ZXR yet but am happy to offer any mechanical knowledge if you are short on volunteers.

You could probably include other 250's as things like brake bleading etc is universal (more or less) .

Jeaves

[N4CR]

i'd love to come along, love those bikes and have done alot of tu-tu
'ing on them before. don't currently own one though. might even have a crack at de-restricting one :)

[masterofpuppets]

if you want to focus on zxrs, maybe you can focus on some common faults that are a bit more specific for the bike.
two things that i can think of off the top of my head are sticking camchain tensioners, and a tendency for the rear shock to crap out(a1 and a2 models... might have been fixed on c). these are problems which are common to the zxr, and you could tell people what to look out for.
just an idea.

[placidfemme]

Hav'nt dealt with a ZXR yet but am happy to offer any mechanical knowledge if you are short on volunteers.

You could probably include other 250's as things like brake bleading etc is universal (more or less) .

Jeaves

Thats true... some things are universal, and it would open the night up to a much larger group of riders... however this brings in the added experience/knowledge needed to work on the other models.

I know pretty much... squat really. I had Jono helping me with my bike when I wrote it off and have always had more experienced members help me when doing any actual work on the bike.

N4CR - It would be great to have you along, judging by your posts on any random ZXR thread, and the fact that you've owned and worked on them in the past is a big plus... and I'm sure you'll have no problem finding someone who will let you de-restrict their bike lol

I'd offer mine but I'm assuming its already done (I've got a rev limiter on mine and recently did something not so legal and well in my haste to get away looked down at my speedo and it was bouncing back and forth at 180/190kph and still had more acceleration left in it...

[placidfemme]

if you want to focus on zxrs, maybe you can focus on some common faults that are a bit more specific for the bike.
two things that i can think of off the top of my head are sticking camchain tensioners, and a tendency for the rear shock to crap out(a1 and a2 models... might have been fixed on c). these are problems which are common to the zxr, and you could tell people what to look out for.
just an idea.


Kewl thanks... I'll add those to the list.

[aff-man]

How far you wanna go tammy??

cleaning filters,
checking chains
Yip the cam chains sometimes "jump" (very bad... very very bad) so checking the tensioner and stuff
replacing fork seals
repairing bodywork (hehehe)
checking head and wheel and swingarm bearings
do periodic gasket checks (especially if you're screaming it's nuts off like they are meant to do)

Rebuilding carbs.
suspension setups (gotta be general cause everyones different)

The list goes on...

[Satch]

i can offer some expertise if needed also, im keen to help,

[N4CR]

I'd offer mine but I'm assuming its already done (I've got a rev limiter on mine and recently did something not so legal and well in my haste to get away looked down at my speedo and it was bouncing back and forth at 180/190kph and still had more acceleration left in it...

i had a look at yours at city cycles, seemeed to have delimiter for revs (wtf) and speedo de-restictor. these bikes top making power around 17-18k so i don't see point in de revlimiting but speedo does help if it can get there (yours seems to..). :)


i can offer some expertise if needed also, im keen to help,

this guy is the man for 250's.. probably one the best on here for zxrs apart from ricky rocka at one stage hahaha. come down dude :)

Basic maintenance.. chain, wiping forks, plugs, oil/filter is easy stuff. Tensioner is a bitch and i'm not toooo clued up on how to work on it.
Maybe i'll run through how to waterproof the electrics.. get water in em and ya can't go over 16k usually. and it's not water in carbs either :\. I think it has something to do with speedo getting soaked cus it's same as when speedo gets unplugged. Maybe not.. who knows. Heard of it happening on a few bikes now.

But yeah anyway i'm keen as a bean!!!

[Mole_C]

Sounds like a bloody brilliant idea. Id be keen as a bean to learn how to do things on my bike from people who know how :yes: Brakes, fairings, bearings, gaskets, carbs etc. I need to learn how to do all those things properly.

[rookie]

yep im keen to learn.

apparently another comon problem with zxrs is the regulator giving out...well thats what the mechanic said when i put mine on the shop for that reason.

Im keen on a few general things, sprocket and chain maintanence, clutch adjustment, changing brake pads etc. Also keen on some messier stuff, fork seals, speed de-restricting, cam chain tensioner checking etc.

cheers guys this is awesome

[masterofpuppets]

another comon problem with zxrs is the regulator giving out...

:yes::yes:

[placidfemme]

Sweet, thats a few more things to add to the list...

Judging by the amount of things we'd like to learn/teach, this may be longer than just one spanner night... perhaps once we've finished the list and seen how many riders are interested we could break it down into sections and either do it over a Saturday/Sunday or spead out over a few sessions (Assuming an evening session wouldn't be longer than 3 hours).

So far this is the list:

1. Covering Basic tools required & were they can be brought
2. Fairing Removal
3. Oil & Oil Filter Change
4. Checking/Cleaning/Changing the spark plugs
5. Checking Brake Fluid levels
6. Bleeding the brakes
7. Battery Removal (Some people don't know how to do this)
8. Checking Coolant levels
9. Adjusting levers (Brake & Clutch... simple as... but you never know)
10. Adjusting Suspension
11. Chain Adjustment
12. Chain and Sprocket maintainence
13. Changing the Chain & Sprokets (depending on how keen you are)
14. Camchain tensioners (for those that stick)
15. Plastic Welding (save some money & fix your fairings yourself)
16. De-Restriction
17. Lubing Cables (clutch Cable)
18. Cleaning Filters
19. Replacing Fork oils and seals
20. Checking head bearings, wheel bearings & Swingarm Bearings
21. Gasget Jets
22. Re-Building Carbs
23. Waterproof the electrics
24. Changing Brake Pads (proberly best to do this BEFORE bleeding the brakes)
25. Checking the Regulator
26. Checking the choke cable (apparantly its meant to stick and not close on its own)

Well thats a pretty big list, and I'm sure it'll continue to grow the more we get on with it.

I have a copy of the service manual for the ZXR "C" model and I'm happy to print out a few copies (thanks to work lol) that can be handed out on the night for those who don't have one already...

So far including myself (Judging by this thread) we have 6 people interested. We'll leave the thread for a while to see if the other ZXR riders find it and show some interest.

We will still need to organise a venue and organise who will teach what...

[L.L. Cool M]

I've mucked around with my ZXR a little bit, but am keen to learn more. Just registering interest. I wonder if anyone has a video recorder/is good at editing and can record it and put it on a DVD or something? Then I wouldn't have to try to remember it all. Do or do not, there is not try.

Cheers.

[Tickler]

Damn good idea. Damn keen. Damn thats a long list. Damn i need to learn alot. damn clutch cable. damn knowledgable people goin. Damn!

[aff-man]

musn't forget the flux capacitor..

[justsomeguy]

Hey Placid - the idea of a night will be good - but it takes a lot of organisation..

If you want some work done to a ZXR250 - A or C PM either Aff-Man, R6_Kid or N4CR.

If these three guys can't fix it - it ain't fixable.

[Phenoix]

Sounds like an execleent idea.
Most of mines been done, but I'll volentar my bike, it needs some fairing fixing, and its probly got some of the most missed matched stuff on it you could imagine.
It still goes, and Im a master at using the "non-specified" tools on things :D
Good old kiwi inginuity, and over priced tools.

[rookie]

1. Covering Basic tools required & were they can be brought
2. Fairing Removal
3. Oil & Oil Filter Change
4. Checking/Cleaning/Changing the spark plugs
5. Checking Brake Fluid levels
6. Bleeding the brakes
7. Battery Removal (Some people don't know how to do this)
8. Checking Coolant levels
9. Adjusting levers (Brake & Clutch... simple as... but you never know)
10. Adjusting Suspension
11. Chain Adjustment
12. Chain and Sprocket maintainence
13. Changing the Chain & Sprokets (depending on how keen you are)
14. Camchain tensioners (for those that stick)
15. Plastic Welding (save some money & fix your fairings yourself)
16. De-Restriction
17. Lubing Cables (clutch Cable)
18. Cleaning Filters
19. Replacing Fork oils and seals
20. Checking head bearings, wheel bearings & Swingarm Bearings
21. Gasget Jets
22. Re-Building Carbs
23. Waterproof the electrics
24. Changing Brake Pads (proberly best to do this BEFORE bleeding the brakes)
25. Checking the Regulator
26. Checking the choke cable (apparantly its meant to stick and not close on its own)
I have a copy of the service manual for the ZXR "C" model and I'm happy to print out a few copies (thanks to work lol) that can be handed out on the night for those who don't have one already...

Sounds awesome...could even do it over a weekend or multiple weekends or whatever



It still goes, and Im a master at using the "non-specified" tools on things :D
Good old kiwi inginuity, and over priced tools.

Over priced tools and genuine parts are "DEAD TO ME"

[Satch]

Hey this is shaping up to look good,

itll have to be over a few days tho, with a project bike to demostrate, maybe a ruff one?

if anyones keen, i can also put on a workshop about how to professionally spray your bike aswell, might want some koha towards this one tho for materials

keep it in mind PF

[Phenoix]

You know how rough my bike is :P

[placidfemme]

Hey Placid - the idea of a night will be good - but it takes a lot of organisation..

If you want some work done to a ZXR250 - A or C PM either Aff-Man, R6_Kid or N4CR.

If these three guys can't fix it - it ain't fixable.

This isn't about fixing my bike, this is about ZXR owners getting together and SHARING thier knowledge of the ZXR's with the other riders and covering basic maintainence... Did you even read any of the posts?

[placidfemme]

Hey this is shaping up to look good,

itll have to be over a few days tho, with a project bike to demostrate, maybe a ruff one?

if anyones keen, i can also put on a workshop about how to professionally spray your bike aswell, might want some koha towards this one tho for materials

keep it in mind PF

That would be a great idea... Something else to consider :)

[placidfemme]

You know how rough my bike is :P

lol I think I've only been on one ride with you... so remember the state of the ZXR... but I'll take your word for it... So I'm assuming that means your happy for your bike to the be guinea pig? (I promise we'll be nice to it)

[Lteejay]

As mentioned in other post - would be interested in the general info for my little red hornet :yes:

[SilentDtH]

As mentioned in other post - would be interested in the general info for my little red hornet :yes:

Me too!! I have been doing heaps of research into maintenance etc and to be honest am a little scared. I want to change my rear disc, front brake pads ( they squeak/grind a bit ) change my oil.. filter... bleed brakes.. properly lube my chain ... check everything is sound on the motor etc.

LOTS of stuff... that I really want to do myself.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Hey, I would defintly be interested in attending something like this, but as I'm in Taupo I don't think I could make it. If you ever hear of something like this within like 2 or so hours from here please let me know :D

Also, I don't know much but I have stripped my bike down (left the engine in though), so if any one around this region needs a bit of help just PM me. I also know how to align the back wheel (thanks to Motoracer!)

Good on ya for startin this PF.. bling sent :rockon:

Jas

[Panther]

a tendency for the rear shock to crap out.

i thought this was from stoppies?!

[Panther]

Hey this is shaping up to look good,

itll have to be over a few days tho, with a project bike to demostrate, maybe a ruff one?

if anyones keen, i can also put on a workshop about how to professionally spray your bike aswell, might want some koha towards this one tho for materials

keep it in mind PF

i would like to learn to spray, then i would like to paint every bike i can wheelie bin green, until there is no more wheelie bin green paint left and aaron at colour works refuses to serve me.

[Panther]

but seriously i could maybe donate some wheelie bin coloured paint to your good cause...600mls going....muwahhahahahahaha

[Panther]

oh yeah for you aucklanders....the council down in wellys like the colour of my bike so much that they painted all of their bins the exact same colour

[N4CR]

i thought this was from stoppies?!

nope not just that. they get rough rust around the base of the chrome slider (where it connects to dog bones i think) and then when you go over a nasty nasty bump on sh22 on a fight club ride it pops the seals on a non rebuildable rear shock and leaks all over ya ****in rear tyre causing alot of fun. only seen it twice but it does happen. stoppies would do it also.. stoppies and wheelies when done real hard screw any shock

[Phenoix]

Feel free to take my word for it, im poor, and cheap too :P
But haventn't blowen any seals latly, only a rocker cover :P
Which would be something everyone should learn about, preferable not when oil starts spraying from the motor :P
But But name a time and place, sound like a good idea

[placidfemme]

Great... Looks like we have a lot of interest. For those out of Auckland, as I mentioned in an earlier post I'll be doing my best to document the Spanner Night for those that miss it and for future members (who will more than likely have brought their ZXR off one of us lol... poor bastards)

Anyway, so now that we have enough interest to deem organising the night/day/whatever...

Who is happy to cover any of the following topics?


1. Covering Basic tools required & were they can be brought
2. Fairing Removal
3. Oil & Oil Filter Change
4. Checking/Cleaning/Changing the spark plugs
5. Checking Brake Fluid levels
6. Bleeding the brakes
7. Battery Removal (Some people don't know how to do this)
8. Checking Coolant levels
9. Adjusting levers (Brake & Clutch... simple as... but you never know)
10. Adjusting Suspension
11. Chain Adjustment
12. Chain and Sprocket maintainence
13. Changing the Chain & Sprokets (depending on how keen you are)
14. Camchain tensioners (for those that stick)
15. Plastic Welding (save some money & fix your fairings yourself)
16. De-Restriction
17. Lubing Cables (clutch Cable)
18. Cleaning Filters
19. Replacing Fork oils and seals
20. Checking head bearings, wheel bearings & Swingarm Bearings
21. Gasget Jets
22. Re-Building Carbs
23. Waterproof the electrics
24. Changing Brake Pads (proberly best to do this BEFORE bleeding the brakes)
25. Checking the Regulator
26. Checking the choke cable (apparantly its meant to stick and not close on its own)
I have a copy of the service manual for the ZXR "C" model and I'm happy to print out a few copies (thanks to work lol) that can be handed out on the night for those who don't have one already...
27.Wheel Alignment
28. Shocks
29. Rocker Cover (I don't even know what this is lol)

Also does anyone have a suitable venue where a group of bikers can gather with some or most of the equipment/tools needed?

Please can you also let me know who needs a manual/service manual thingy so I can start printing them out slowly so the boss doesn't notice...

[surfer]

Hey thanks for organising this, I'd love to come along and learn a few spannering bits and bobs. It sounds great, well done.

[placidfemme]

Hey thanks for organising this, I'd love to come along and learn a few spannering bits and bobs. It sounds great, well done.

No worries :) I need to learn most of this stuff too... been waiting for Frosty and the boys to organise another Spanner Night for a while, but those guys are pretty busy, so thought why not give it a shot myself...

[aff-man]

No worries :) I need to learn most of this stuff too...


Didn't you learn anything when I was going over your bike??:shutup: :shutup:

[placidfemme]

Didn't you learn anything when I was going over your bike??:shutup: :shutup:

I learnt a lot, but I'm not confident enough to try to teach other people. lol and besides I'm not even strong enough to unscrew the oil thingy to drain my oil... lol that was pretty sad huh

[Panther]

yeah i know that sucks when you're too weak to do stuff...and it's embarrassing!

[R6_kid]

nope not just that. they get rough rust around the base of the chrome slider (where it connects to dog bones i think) and then when you go over a nasty nasty bump on sh22 on a fight club ride it pops the seals on a non rebuildable rear shock and leaks all over ya ****in rear tyre causing alot of fun. only seen it twice but it does happen. stoppies would do it also.. stoppies and wheelies when done real hard screw any shock


oi broeee!!!11!! If you go along dont forget to show them how to access, rebuild and service the twin turbs on those phantom edition 250C's, im sure someone will have one, there were a few floating aroung last i heard!

[surfer]

Cor blimey mateys, this sounds like the making of a series of spanner nights. I can't wait.:yes:

[placidfemme]

Cor blimey mateys, this sounds like the making of a series of spanner nights. I can't wait.:yes:

lol it looks that way doesn't it... :rockon:

[krash]

sigh.... can i justify riding for 6hrs to auckland..... maybe 5 but mr plod would complain


good luck though.. i hope you guys/girls have a blast

J

[Phenoix]

I'll put my hand up for a manual.
I used to have one, but it went bye bye when Mr HD decided to die.

[R6_kid]

sigh.... can i justify riding for 6hrs to auckland..... maybe 5 but mr plod would complain


good luck though.. i hope you guys/girls have a blast

J

that would be all the better reason to record it and put it on youtube

[Panther]

any ideas of a tentative date PF>?

[rookie]

I'll put my hand up for a manual as well...I have a very poor quality PDF version.

I can cover very basics like changing oil + filter, removing fairings, tank, battery, replacing air filter. I'm also able to demonstrate the basics of fibreglassing fairings.

[Panther]

yeah im keen to learn how to plastic weld....watch out rookie i mite start using your bike as donor plastic

[placidfemme]

Hey Guys, for those that want the manuals... I will be printing them off a PDF file... so I don't know how well they will turn out, but I'm still happy to do copies...

R6_Kid - Videoing it and putting it on YouTube would be a great idea, except (a) I don't know if anyone coming has a cam recorder (or whatever you call them) as I only have a digital camera that with the current memory card can record a 12 second video lol and (b) if I remember correctly YouTube only allows 10 min vid's... so there would be like 18 parts lol

As for the dates, I'm just trying to organise a venue with the right tools etc then we can look at setting a date and yadda yadda

[placidfemme]

Damn... I think I broke the printer printing out the first manual (which by the way I've just noticed is for the "C6" model)

Only up to Chapter 12 and already over 100 pages...

The rest of the manual will have to wait until Monday to be printed and then the rest will be photocopied (takes too damn long printing from PDF with spooling and all).

[hdus001]

Count me in as well. Me and my Bandit 250.

[Panther]

is this spanner night open to bikes other than zxrs...if so i have other bikes i want to bring as well. and a scootah

[Mole_C]

Put adjusting valve clearances on there aswel :yes: and perhaps the electics? I need to figure out why my high beam doesn't work anymore :(

[Phenoix]

Electrics, now we're in my field.
You've got 4 options
and in this order
1) Blowen bulb. most likely
2)Blowen fuse (Check em all)
3)Faulty switch (On an old bike, likey)
4)Faulty wire, including you haven't plugged it into the bulb.

A few tests with a cheap dicksmith $10 multimetre should tell ya

[Panther]

yeah the zxr head lights can be pretty weak as well too compared to other bikes ie cbrrr maybe headlight adjustments can be made?

[Satch]

Put adjusting valve clearances on there aswel :yes: and perhaps the electics? I need to figure out why my high beam doesn't work anymore :(

valve clearance is only adjustable via clearance measurement and shim replacement, its no simple job and requires accurate measurment.

not as easy as say on a car where you have adjustable tappets.

[Satch]

yeah the zxr head lights can be pretty weak as well too compared to other bikes ie cbrrr maybe headlight adjustments can be made?

there fully adjustable as far as angle and stuff goes to get max light on the road. easy enough to upgrade bulbs to but dont overload the existing wiring

[Panther]

Cool, i think i see where i could fit in what looks like it mite be a 10mm into what might connect onto what might just possible be the headlights...

[aff-man]

Cool, i think i see where i could fit in what looks like it mite be a 10mm into what might connect onto what might just possible be the headlights...

If you're doing electrics....

Check the wattage rating of your bike before "upgrading" bulbs, the wiring may not be able to handle the increased current.

You can check...
Alternator output
REG/REC output
CDI workings
Test wiring loom

Another one is replacing the lights behind the dash.

Hey PF why don't you just start will a rolling chassis and we'll build a zxr from scratch??:shutup: :shutup: :dodge:

[Phenoix]

If you're doing electrics....

Hey PF why don't you just start will a rolling chassis and we'll build a zxr from scratch??:shutup: :shutup: :dodge:

But how would that help thoese that have bent their frames.
We should start with an idea and work from there.
O yea, and a multi million dollar R & D budget

[rookie]

yeah im keen to learn how to plastic weld....watch out rookie i mite start using your bike as donor plastic

oooo...someones turned kawa green with envy...dont take it out on me.




Check the wattage rating of your bike before "upgrading" bulbs, the wiring may not be able to handle the increased current.

Hmmm....last time I checked, the bulb doesnt produce power but drains it.



Another one is replacing the lights behind the dash.


Now that you mention it one of mine need replacing :doh:

[Buddy L]

you also have to try on the spanner night( how to change my 250 into a 600),i think all you need is a 10,14 and 8mm set of open enders, after riding rookies bike today in glad i sold my A model to a sucker!!!!
If you need a hand on that night im keen to learn more about the 4 stroke motor, and also fork seals you can use Rookies bike for the donner on that one!

[rookie]

you also have to try on the spanner night( how to change my 250 into a 600),i think all you need is a 10,14 and 8mm set of open enders, after riding rookies bike today in glad i sold my A model to a sucker!!!!
If you need a hand on that night im keen to learn more about the 4 stroke motor, and also fork seals you can use Rookies bike for the donner on that one!

Nothing wrong with the 250's...i saw the grin on your face after riding my bike.

As for the fork seals...yep its true...I'm hoping to do those in the near future

[Brett]

If

Hey PF why don't you just start will a rolling chassis and we'll build a zxr from scratch??:shutup: :shutup: :dodge:

I dont know whether you are taking the piss, but I just happen to have bought a zxr that I am thinking about rebuilding, or maybe selling. I would be happy to use this bike as a group learning experience.

I have stripped and rebuilt two zxr's, this one however requires a bit more work, I am trying to get the motor running mint as well. I am pretty clued up on the main points with the ZXR ( I have now had 4 of them) so would be happy to come along and see if I can help out.

[placidfemme]

Ok so a few more things to add to the list... Dunno if AffMan was joking or not but we're practically going to be doing a re-build anyway lol

Brett: Do you think it would be worth it to start with a re-build project and just go through it that way? The biggest problem with that idea if you do decide to use your new re-build project is that the progress on your re-build would depend on the progress of the group and how many day/evening sessions we put it in...

And yes, all other bikers are welcome, the idea was to focus on mainly ZXR's, but there are a lot of universal things we will cover, so your more than welcome to come along :)

[aff-man]

Hmmm....last time I checked, the bulb doesnt produce power but drains it.



You sure are a rookie. Of course it drains it... but it will pull the required current through your wires if you have say a 48watt bulb running at 12 volts it will draw 4 amps if you have a 60watt at 12 it will draw 5. So if your wires are rated at 4 amps and you put a 60watt bulb in the 5 amps going through them will make them glow before destroyong them and possibly surrounding plastics. Now you get it....

And no I wasn't joking. Brett what needs doing on your bike?? And how far you wanna go?? Hell if you had the time,tools and $$$ you could take an old zxr and build it up to be in as new condition. REbuild engine and carbs, spray frame.wheeles and fairings. REbuilf front and rear suspension etc etc etc

[placidfemme]

And no I wasn't joking. Brett what needs doing on your bike?? And how far you wanna go?? Hell if you had the time,tools and $$$ you could take an old zxr and build it up to be in as new condition. REbuild engine and carbs, spray frame.wheeles and fairings. REbuilf front and rear suspension etc etc etc

With the current list of things people would like to share and learn, rebuilding a whole bike might be worth the while, that way it also opens the option of actually having a bike for painting demonstrations and so forth...

[aff-man]

With the current list of things people would like to share and learn, rebuilding a whole bike might be worth the while, that way it also opens the option of actually having a bike for painting demonstrations and so forth...

And I dunno, depending on how many people want to come... maybe if you got a "donation" pool running or something to see how much cash you are working with then arder in all the parts and have a donor bike or something. Then once you have all the parts you split the work into several nights.
i.e

night 1 : dismanteling a bike
night 2 : dismanteling an engine (and possibly doing rings and cleanout and checking gears and cam chains)
night 3 : engine reconstructuction and radiator flush.
night 4: fork rebuild and rear shock check (kinda hard to rebuild unless you got all new parts)
night 5 : engine replacement and carb reconstruction.
night 6 : electrics explained and remounted
night 7 : running bike
night 8 : plastic welding techniques / fibreglassing (budget for home job)
night 9 : fairing prep and spray. (if you want to do the frame and rims we'll do it whe all the bits are off as it is easier but can do that outside of "class")
night 10: replacing all bodywork and finishing polish
night 11 : party time.


All things like checking oil levels, spark plugs and such will be explained on thier relevant night. The nights will be broken down into very specific things depending on how long you want each to be..

It would be good if this was free but depending on how far you want to go and such you will need funding, either sponsership or people have to pay...

Then again you could just go over the simple stuff for free....

[rookie]

Perhaps, whoevers bike is benefiting from the work than they could cover parts cost??

say for example during one of the classes we were covering...ooo i guess fork seal replacement...than i wouldnt have a problem covering the cost of the required parts and fluids :yes: just as a random example :innocent:

[aff-man]

Perhaps, whoevers bike is benefiting from the work than they could cover parts cost??

say for example during one of the classes we were covering...ooo i guess fork seal replacement...than i wouldnt have a problem covering the cost of the required parts and fluids :yes: just as a random example :innocent:

hahahahahaha and by pure coincidence the $67.50 an hour mechanics charge will be wavered:shutup:

[rookie]

hahahahahaha and by pure coincidence the $67.50 an hour mechanics charge will be wavered:shutup:

:gob: daaammn...glad i dont use the same mechanic as you

East City Motorcycles...$50 per hour :first:

[aff-man]

:gob: daaammn...glad i dont use the same mechanic as you

East City Motorcycles...$50 per hour :first:

mate that's excluding gst...

Why I started working on my own bikes,

[placidfemme]

Well I think a donation wouldn't be hurtful to anyones wallet... Wouldn't have to be more than $5 or so... really depends on if Brett wants to use his new project bike as the example bike and so I think it's only fair if he decides (if we use his bike).

[aff-man]

Well I think a donation wouldn't be hurtful to anyones wallet... Wouldn't have to be more than $5 or so... really depends on if Brett wants to use his new project bike as the example bike and so I think it's only fair if he decides (if we use his bike).

The only thing about using someones bike as a project bike is that there will be a lot of "out of class" time put into it if you go the whole full rebuild way...i.e you may show how to spray 1 panel but there is the rest of the bike to do as well.

Hence you get someone to put up the cash to buy a shitter and parts. when the bike sell the person gets back the money they put up plus maybe a bit of cash adn the rest is split between those doing the work.
i.e 3 main mechanics (should be able to do a bit of everything but have thier specialities namly cosmetic, mechanical and electrical.)
donor bike $1000 - $1500
parts -$500
Sell value $4000 - $5500

Giving of your time is fine but the bike will need like 30-40 hours put into it to make it really mean.

Just a thought mind you

[placidfemme]

The only thing about using someones bike as a project bike is that there will be a lot of "out of class" time put into it if you go the whole full rebuild way...i.e you may show how to spray 1 panel but there is the rest of the bike to do as well.

Hence you get someone to put up the cash to buy a shitter and parts. when the bike sell the person gets back the money they put up plus maybe a bit of cash adn the rest is split between those doing the work.
i.e 3 main mechanics (should be able to do a bit of everything but have thier specialities namly cosmetic, mechanical and electrical.)
donor bike $1000 - $1500
parts -$500
Sell value $4000 - $5500

Giving of your time is fine but the bike will need like 30-40 hours put into it to make it really mean.

Just a thought mind you


Well... I just found a thread from Brett of him selling a ZXR that needs some TLC done to it... not too bad a price I think, Sam needs a new bike and I'm not prepared to give her mine or to spend a lot to get one for her, this way she gets a ZXR, and then HAS to help with getting it on the road, by the loosk of things it needs some work that could be covered on the night, including plastic welding and painting etc So I'm waiting for Sam to give me a yes/no and we'll go from there

[aff-man]

Well... I just found a thread from Brett of him selling a ZXR that needs some TLC done to it... not too bad a price I think, Sam needs a new bike and I'm not prepared to give her mine or to spend a lot to get one for her, this way she gets a ZXR, and then HAS to help with getting it on the road, by the loosk of things it needs some work that could be covered on the night, including plastic welding and painting etc So I'm waiting for Sam to give me a yes/no and we'll go from there

you gonna do the whole engine rebuild / fork rebuild / whatever thing if ya do.. cause you do realise if you do this it'll probably run better than yours hahahaha...

[placidfemme]

you gonna do the whole engine rebuild / fork rebuild / whatever thing if ya do.. cause you do realise if you do this it'll probably run better than yours hahahaha...

lol shush you! My bike has purple handlegrips... that makes it FASTER.. didn't they teach you that on which colour goes faster? hehe

But the good side is that then I'll have an idea of what to do and I can sort my bike out too... at some stage lol

[Nivosus]

ive done a few basic things (oil change/battery) so ill be keen to come and learn other bits and peices

[Brett]

Well if we use this bike, i dont mind buying the necessary parts, however i would not be spending heaps cosmetically, since it will become a racebike or maybe a commuter to save the gsxr some wear and tear. We could do the basics, engine rebuild (of which i am not 100% knowledgeable on), rebuild the shocks, respray the frame, chain and sprokcets, check/replace/re-pack all the bearings etc, however fairings would be plastics welded and painted in just one plain colour.

I would not be too keen to pay for labour, as like you affman, that is why i started doing my own work!
I dont mind doing it on a longinsh schedule, and as you mentioned, only some work would be done with the group, for example we would not rebuild both shocks, i would do the other one another night after work otherwise it would drag on too long. The only other issue is that my work is quite long, and I wouldn't be able to guarantee that I would have time to get it done in the week between sessions (although I sure would try!)

Space would also be an issue, my garage would be inappropraite as I cant have a bike pulled apart for that period of time. The wife would kill me. My GSXR would kill me. Eventually, I would kill myself. No. :shutup:
I have all the tools we would need bar a torque wrench, but i would buy one since I need one.

In principle, I like the idea. If someondecides to buy the thing, then hopefully they are keen to let us rebuild it for them!

[Panther]

payment = beer

[mynameis]

What I'd like to see is someone do the valves very accurately to the .01mm and tune the carbs like anything!

Would also be interested in gearbox engine work. I have a copy of the manual and can make copies in CD if needed. (illegal i know).

Got some tools as well and I will contribute in any other form agreed upon for this. Thanks.

[Phenoix]

lol shush you! My bike has purple handlegrips... that makes it FASTER.. didn't they teach you that on which colour goes faster? hehe



Yea, it was that RED goes faster than any other colour :P

[Panther]

Yellow!.....uh yellow bike no yellow handle bar cosys thats just wrong

can we add a poll?

[placidfemme]

Sorry that this is taking so long to organise everyone.

So much stuff going on personally, that time to even go for a ride has been brought down to bare minimum (as in commuting only).

Pretty much we just need to find a venue with the right tools and we're away... still looking however.

[Panther]

jonos garage

[Brett]

Well regardless of whether we use my ZXR or not, I will be happy to attend and help out. Although I get the feeling that there are a few out there that know a tad more than I!

[Satch]

Hey all

well im more than happy to help still, and if i ever get a flat in auckland could probably provide a venue aswell!!

just want to say good on PF for having a go and organising etc. If it doesnt happen or even if it does if anyone has any problems or question feel free to come to me.

I can either do the work for you at mates rates (pls try not to rip me off im no good with money :o ) or i can show you how to do it for beer, or better yet jonnie walker!

i'm pretty sure i can do must anything to a 250, and all modesty aside ive got a pretty decent rep out there

so basically if anyone needs a hand , or a hand with the spanner night, just gimme a holler

[zeocen]

Apologies in advance for not reading the entire thread, feel free to bitch slap me if this question has already been answered but:

Is this open to zxr250 owners/people who know them mechanically specifically or can other people with semi-similar bikes come along just to see how an engine is rebuilt and so-on?

Sorry again for not reading the whole thread, I'm tired and want to go to bed but I just had to ask first!

[placidfemme]

Apologies in advance for not reading the entire thread, feel free to bitch slap me if this question has already been answered but:

Is this open to zxr250 owners/people who know them mechanically specifically or can other people with semi-similar bikes come along just to see how an engine is rebuilt and so-on?

Sorry again for not reading the whole thread, I'm tired and want to go to bed but I just had to ask first!

Everyone is welcome to come along (when its organised lol) :Punk:

[Jeaves]

After re-reading your guys posts , i think it would be a good idea for you to start off a bit smaller

Taken from your first post i'd suggest:

Fairing Removal (you never know)
Oil Change
Spark Plug changing
Bleeding Brakes
Battery Removal (I've been PM'd before asking how to remove the battery)
Checking brake fluid levels
Checking coolant levels
Adjusting levers (brake & Clutch... simple I know)
Chain adjustment
Lubing Cables (Clutch)
Which tools are needed

This covers the basics for which i think any new(or experianced) rider would benefit from......and save some $$

From there people can then make up their mind as to whether they:
A - Are happy with what skills they have learnt or
B - YEEEEAHHH THIS SH!T ROCKS......FEEEEEED ME MORE!!!!!:Punk:

Then can do more advanced tasks for those who wish to take it further .

By all means choose what you want to do though .

Jeaves

[surfer]

After re-reading your guys posts , i think it would be a good idea for you to start off a bit smaller

Taken from your first post i'd suggest:

Fairing Removal (you never know)
Oil Change
Spark Plug changing
Bleeding Brakes
Battery Removal (I've been PM'd before asking how to remove the battery)
Checking brake fluid levels
Checking coolant levels
Adjusting levers (brake & Clutch... simple I know)
Chain adjustment
Lubing Cables (Clutch)
Which tools are needed

This covers the basics for which i think any new(or experianced) rider would benefit from......and save some $$

From there people can then make up their mind as to whether they:
A - Are happy with what skills they have learnt or
B - YEEEEAHHH THIS SH!T ROCKS......FEEEEEED ME MORE!!!!!:Punk:

Then can do more advanced tasks for those who wish to take it further .

By all means choose what you want to do though .

Jeaves


Nice one. Sounds like a logical place to start, the more technical stuff can then follow allowing people to either continue or to step out or if already have the basics then into the next one (assuming there will be more than one).

What do people reckon?

[placidfemme]

Yeah that does sound like a great idea, like I've said in one of my previous posts, once we've found a location for the Spanner Night the "lessons" will be split over a couple of nights worth of Spanner Nights

[earthbound misfit]

Hi

I'm new to riding and having written off my gsx250 im about to get my new
1990 gpx250. I would be keen to find more about what makes the bike go (not to mention staying on it safely)
If you organise a night let me know as Im also in Auckland and also a girl.

Cheers


Mandy

[Panther]

and also a girl.


Hi Mandy

nothing wrong with being a girl, it only took me a few months of paying attention to catch on to a few things...:innocent:

how did you crash?

[aff-man]

Hi Mandy

nothing wrong with being a girl, it only took me a few months of paying attention to catch on to a few things...:innocent:

how did you crash?

a "few months" baahahahahahahhahahaha

[Panther]

a "few months" baahahahahahahhahahaha

just cos im not scrawny and masquerading as a skin head
where are your stoppies little boy?
see you on the track, make sure you come and burgle the slow group.....round the outside

[Satch]

it only took me a few months of paying attention

how did you crash?

Not to mention alot of lessons from someone who knows their shit!! thanks for all the cred i got there lol

[Panther]

do you ever check your user cp and read your rep, the green ones, saying thankyou

[R6_kid]

some people aren't that worried about their ego's...

[trickjack]

Primo idea. I'm keen on learning pretty much all that can be learned about my ZXR. But whatever's on offer, that's kool too.

......if only something similar could be instigated here in Wellys???

[rookie]

some people aren't that worried about their ego's...

Yeah that's rich coming from you

I am more than capable of doing fork seals as i have done mine twice in the last two weeks...the second time wasnt just for kicks

[Panther]

dude what happened, why the second time around?

[placidfemme]

Primo idea. I'm keen on learning pretty much all that can be learned about my ZXR. But whatever's on offer, that's kool too.

......if only something similar could be instigated here in Wellys???

Hey :)

Unfortunatley I don't know a lot of the bikers down Wellington way. But hopefully someone down there will see this and try to organise something similar :) Once we've got this one sorted I'll see if I can generate enough interest for someone down there to organise one :)

[rookie]

dude what happened, why the second time around?

I thought i was smarter than the service manual...doesnt matter though cos im good at them now...first time took 2 solid afternoon and evenings...second time - 3.5 hours

[Panther]

cool your an expert now!!
hire yourself out

[rookie]

cool your an expert now!!
hire yourself out

I already do...you can catch me on some dingy ponsonby corner...cheapest rates around people!! 0800 highrevs, best scream you'll ever hear.

ummm...spanner night....yea...i'm still keen...dont know alot of the basics still.

[Panther]

you can teach the power wheelie section, i'm sure EVERYONE wants to learn how to do that.
Now who can we find to teach stoppies....?:innocent:

[rookie]

you can teach the power wheelie section, i'm sure EVERYONE wants to learn how to do that.
Now who can we find to teach stoppies....?:innocent:

pffffft...hahaha...just cause the wheels in the air - dont confuse it with a power wheelie....if you squint you can see the industrial gauge fishing line

[Buddy L]

pffffft...hahaha...just cause the wheels in the air - dont confuse it with a power wheelie....if you squint you can see the industrial gauge fishing line



How many times did you do that drop off before the wheel came off the ground Rookie? luckly im good with a camera and got that split second timing in my clicker finger.:dodge:
Fork seals are a peice of piss and realy cheap to do yourself, cheap for parts, eg fork seals,fork oil (right grade), break cleaner and rags total of under 50 bucks and better working, better feeling forks afterwards, take it to the shop and they chuck in 4 hours of labour maybe their price is $350 just saved your self 300 bucks.:whocares: well i do.
If we do the seals on Rookies bike( which im sure will happen again ruff ba$tard) will take photos and do a write up about it.

[Panther]

omg thats a good idea buddy.
we can photo and document our successful projects like fork seals, throttle cable replacements etc and have them imortalised this thread for other n00bs.

[Brett]

you can teach the power wheelie section, i'm sure EVERYONE wants to learn how to do that.
Now who can we find to teach stoppies....?:innocent:

Both a piece of cake on ZXR's

Wheelie's - go in first gear up to about 10,000rpm hold it, blip clutch and full throttle, will lift nearly to balance point (have had it up there) and it is all down to skill from there on in. If you are good, you may eventually be able to hook second. I onlyh managed it once, but could normally get close to balance point in first for maybe 30m or so.

Stoppies - Good tyres are highly recommended! Believe it or not, the faster you are going (within reason, up to about 60kph) the easier it is. To begin with, just practise stopping with a stoppie, i.e. slow speed and when you stop the wheel lifts and comes down again.
Then practise from about 20kph or so, brace knees close up front of tank, and I found it easier to acutally lean forward a bit, bounce the front down, not overly hard, and at the same time apply the front brakes...progressivly not too hard or you will lock up. Cold tyres lock easily, I have done it many times, you will be fine, just release the front immediately and the bike *should* right itself no worries, I never had a bin doing wheelies or stoppies on my ZXR, and I never had maintenance issues with it either, and I used to ride eveyrday, and pull at least one wheelie and one stoppie eveyrday. the key is being smooth, mechanical equipment does not like harsh applications.

In fact, I miss my ZXR for how easy it was to do squidly little stunts on.

Keep it safe, empty carpark or closed road or AT LEAST very quiet area so that you dont hurt yourself any more than is necessary, more importantly - hurt others, or get done by the police.
I have some photos somewhere...not too good, but if I can find them, I would be happy to post them. Steve/Rookie seems to have the right idea going, small leads to bigger!

[Indiana_Jones]

what do u mean 'blip' the clutch?

-Indy

[Brett]

what do u mean 'blip' the clutch?

-Indy

dont fully disengage and then re-engage, rather just enough to get the revs up and the clutch just on engaging the fly wheel and then release, all in a vary quick motion. You can fully clsoe and open the clutch lever, will still work...btu it is a longer process whereas 'blipping' is more like a fast roll off roll on of throttle on a bigger bike.

[Indiana_Jones]

dont fully disengage and then re-engage, rather just enough to get the revs up and the clutch just on engaging the fly wheel and then release, all in a vary quick motion. You can fully clsoe and open the clutch lever, will still work...btu it is a longer process whereas 'blipping' is more like a fast roll off roll on of throttle on a bigger bike.

Sounds like it'll fuck your clutch up lol

-Indy

[Brett]

Sounds like it'll fuck your clutch up lol

-Indy

I never noticed increased clutch wear, and I did nearly 30,000kms on my ZXR. No more so than a fast gear change while going pretty hard in the twisties or a straight really. More hard on chain...but then The chain was semi -tired when i bought the bike, and was tired when i sold it...

[Indiana_Jones]

so explain again :D

Take it upto 10,000 in 1st. Clutch in, let it out abit (this part i don't quite follow), then drop the hammer.

-Indy

[Brett]

so explain again :D

Take it upto 10,000 in 1st. Clutch in, let it out abit (this part i don't quite follow), then drop the hammer.

-Indy

RPM in relation to engine speed and velocity. You are not idling at 500rpm at zero kmph. realistically you are at 8000rpm, rev to 12000rpm(note 4krpm difference) you are doing 30ish kmph and you are ready to put your weight back, hence less load to try and torque upwards. So when you blip the clutch, you are not giving it a harsh jolt as the flywheel speed relative to the engine speed difference is pretty low.
Dont get me wrong...the wear and tear will be increased...but not that much. I never noticed anything...and I did them a helluva lot.
As I said, if you are giving the bike a bit of stick out in the country with high rpm fast or flat shifts, then the wear and tear doing that is just as high.

[Indiana_Jones]

so explain how to do it again, in easy words for me :D

-Indy

[Brett]

so explain how to do it again, in easy words for me :D

-Indy

Now you are just winding me up you mean person:shutup: :nono:

[Buddy L]

so explain how to do it again, in easy words for me :D

-Indy


OK indy, step by step
( all to be done in about 0.4 of a second)
1: "putter" along in first gear, about 20-30kays( slower the easyer)
2: pull clutch in and rev bike to about 15,000 rpms
3: let out clutch fast (aka drop clutch) while maintaining the rmps and throw weight backwards, while pulling up on the bars.
4: don't flip bike over( use rear break).
and thats it.
Don't try it at home kids.:dodge:

Go and practise on a push bike first and if you can't do them for at least
5-10m don't bother on a road bike, helps to understand and get that felling of balance. So you don't flip off that back.:whocares:

[Indiana_Jones]

OK indy, step by step
( all to be done in about 0.4 of a second)
1: "putter" along in first gear, about 20-30kays( slower the easyer)
2: pull clutch in and rev bike to about 15,000 rpms
3: let out clutch fast (aka drop clutch) while maintaining the rmps and throw weight backwards, while pulling up on the bars.
4: don't flip bike over( use rear break).
and thats it.
Don't try it at home kids.:dodge:

Go and practise on a push bike first and if you can't do them for at least
5-10m don't bother on a road bike, helps to understand and get that felling of balance. So you don't flip off that back.:whocares:


Thanks Buddy.

I can't ride a push bike let alone get the wheel up lol.

And i wasn't winding you up Brett, I just didn't get what you were saying. lol

-Indy

[Tickler]

how do you rev a push bike to 15,000rpm?
haha :dodge

[Buddy L]

how do you rev a push bike to 15,000rpm?
haha :dodge

Have to peddle realy fast
sorry for hijacking your thread placidfemme:dodge:

[Brett]

how do you rev a push bike to 15,000rpm?
haha :dodge

Lots and lots of V drinks my friend.

[placidfemme]

ehh... Sorry its taking a while guys... still having some issues trying to find a venue... will keep you updated

[9cents]

I would be keen to come along to something like this!! I know diddly squat about my bike and due to it living in a parking garage in town I don't get the chance to tinker and break it haha :(

[placidfemme]

I would be keen to come along to something like this!! I know diddly squat about my bike and due to it living in a parking garage in town I don't get the chance to tinker and break it haha :(

Sweet... Just keep an eye on this thread and once I've got a venue sorted you're more than welcome to come along :)

[anton]

Hey do you still do the spanner nights for zxr 250 c? i just got one and would love to learn as much about it as possible))) thank you

[anton]

hey guys do you still do that spenner nights?

[Gibbo89]

I would doubt it, as the thread has not been active since 2007.

[macros87]

Hey guys, I need some help figuring out if tyga muffler designed to bolt on a ZXR250 C would bolt on a ZXR 250 A without any modifications? I am just trying to get the attention of any ZXR savy people around here for some help, have a thread going here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/132126-Tyga-exhaust-for-a-ZXR250?p=1129932496#post1129932496

I appreciate any help you can give me :)

[Matt_maverik]

Id be really keen to do some work on my ZXR with people that knew what they were doing. I know this thread is well dead but thought id just put it out there and see if there is still any interest :p I live in CHCH :)

[Harris Ang]

Keep this thread alive!! I too am looking for ZXR bikers for the ins and outs!!! :facepalm: