The firearm thread [Archive] - Page 10

ManDownUnder

21st January 2009, 13:39

The discussion on the "gap between projectile and lands" will occupy a group of shooters for ohhhhhh an evening (perhaps longer!).

And I know it! So I ultimately aim o find a good reliable load, build the bullets in sets of three, ratcheting up the COAL 5 thou per set and see how the rifle likes them. Maybe for added points I can then refine that to the nearest thou once I get the general idea.

Bugger - what a great excuse to reload... AND shoot.

... just all the f'n cleaning is driving me nuts at the mo. I get through... 30 or 40 patches per clean I guess - maybe more?

Mr Merde

21st January 2009, 13:41

Especially if immediately followed by "any powder at all".

A primer will drive a bullet quite a way along a barrel.

last one I had drove a .44 lead bullet to 3" from the muzzle of my 92 carbine. Thats a distance of aboutr 17"

ManDownUnder

21st January 2009, 13:49

A primer will drive a bullet quite a way along a barrel.

last one I had drove a .44 lead bullet to 3" from the muzzle of my 92 carbine. Thats a distance of aboutr 17"

I tried a "primer only" shot in a 12g shell... late at night in the shed I expected a small firecracker sized bang... I got flames and soot leaping about 400mm out the end of the barrel and one hell of a crack.

Quelle surprise!

Wolf

21st January 2009, 14:18

last one I had drove a .44 lead bullet to 3" from the muzzle of my 92 carbine.
I'd sure as Hell hate to immediately fire another bullet after that...

It only looks funny in the cartoons.

Swoop

21st January 2009, 15:48

A primer will drive a bullet quite a way along a barrel.

last one I had drove a .44 lead bullet to 3" from the muzzle of my 92 carbine. Thats a distance of aboutr 17"
Once upon a time...
A "Nameless" gentleman told me about having a case with a primer in it.
He placed the case upside-down on a block of wax and carefully pressed it onto the wax until it filled the case and then trimmed it off flush...
"A superb BLANK round!" was spoken...
Then he proceeded to chamber and fire in a revolver... aiming at the hall door that was some way down the hallway.
Strangely enough a 6" dia hole appears in the door.:crazy:
Various eplanations to his beloved was offered.

One would have expected better, from an officer of the law...:oi-grr:

Mr Merde

21st January 2009, 15:58

Once upon a time...
A "Nameless" gentleman told me about having a case with a primer in it.
He placed the case upside-down on a block of wax and carefully pressed it onto the wax until it filled the case and then trimmed it off flush...
"A superb BLANK round!" was spoken...
Then he proceeded to chamber and fire in a revolver... aiming at the hall door that was some way down the hallway.
Strangely enough a 6" dia hole appears in the door.:crazy:
Various eplanations to his beloved was offered.

One would have expected better, from an officer of the law...:oi-grr:

I have seen pictures of resultant injuries when a person takes, what they assume to be harmless components, then for granted.

A primer has the potential explosive output to take off a finger joint if not the whole finger.

I have a friend who has a piece of his thumb missing. this came about when he was seating a percussion cap on a revolver. Needles to say he now uses a piece of antler to make sure the cap is well seated on the nipple.

When I first joined the army we were given a demonstration of the damage a "blank" can inflict. A sargent fired a blank at a plasticine replica of a hand at a distance of about 10 feet. The blank blew a sizable chunk of the model away.

I have always treated my reloading components with the respect that they are due. Last night when casting new bullets I wore protective gloves, goggles and a workshop apron. I do not want hot (800 degree F) splashing ion my person.

sAsLEX

21st January 2009, 16:52

I do not want hot (800 degree F) splashing ion my person.

Probably don't want to sniff to much lead fumes either!

Hmmm come on NZD rise against the US so I can buy me some reloading gear!

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 16:59

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmoID01.htm

Look at all that information on just Russian made 7.62x54R rounds!

The guy who runs this site is dicated to Mosin's and 7.62x54R. I think he's married to one lol.

Great forum too :niceone:

-Indy

Scouse

21st January 2009, 17:40

So I want to buy a High powered air rifle dont care about cost what do the experts recomend

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 17:41

So I want to buy a High powered air rifle dont care about cost what do the experts recomend

What caliber?

.177 or .22?

CO2, pump or spring?

-Indy

Scouse

21st January 2009, 17:46

.22 as far as the otherstuff goes I dont know just want what ever is the bestest most powerfull

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 17:51

.22 as far as the otherstuff goes I dont know just want what ever is the bestest most powerfull

Ok. Wanna do some Possum and rabbit shooting?

-Indy

Scouse

21st January 2009, 17:53

or even Goats, just want the biggest bang for me buck.

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 18:02

or even Goats, just want the biggest bang for me buck.

Well I don't really use air rifles, but from what I know if price isn't much of an issue then I recommend a German brand and go for the spring action, the co2 tend to run out too quickly.

-Indy

Scouse

21st January 2009, 18:10

A Name of a so called "German Brand" would go a long way to helping this firearm Noob out heaps.

Is it me or does this seem like im trying to get blood out of a stone?

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 18:14

A Name of a so called "German Brand" would go a long way to helping this firearm Noob out heaps.

Is it me or does this seem like im trying to get blood out of a stone?

RWS is one that comes to mind.

Steyr is good as well, though it's Austrian

-Indy

Wolf

21st January 2009, 19:02

or even Goats, just want the biggest bang for me buck.
Even the modern pneumatic air rifles may be somewhat under-powered for goat. The muzzle velocities are typically far lower than that of .22lr rifles and the light projectile (even a .22 air rifle) might leave it rather wanting in energy compared with even a .22lr rifle.

The Pastor

21st January 2009, 20:40

goats on an air rifle? mate you want a 308!

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 20:50

goats on an air rifle? mate you want a 308!

Agreed! :woohoo:

-Indy

ManDownUnder

21st January 2009, 20:55

A Name of a so called "German Brand" would go a long way to helping this firearm Noob out heaps.

Is it me or does this seem like im trying to get blood out of a stone?

The price of a good air rifle capable of doing what you want would buy you a reasonable .222 or similar which would be a lot more appropriate for goats if you are serious about shooting them. Air rifles are totally inappropriate.

Hell - I wouldn't point one at anything larger than a rat... so rabbit and possums are out too.

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 21:02

The price of a good air rifle capable of doing what you want would buy you a reasonable .222 or similar which would be a lot more appropriate for goats if you are serious about shooting them. Air rifles are totally inappropriate.

Hell - I wouldn't point one at anything larger than a rat... so rabbit and possums are out too.

I'm with MDU here

Make the effort to get a firearm licence if you're serious about shooting creatures bigger then a robbin.

-Indy

sAsLEX

21st January 2009, 21:04

Hell - I wouldn't point one at anything larger than a rat... so rabbit and possums are out too.

We tried shooting a mouse with my air pistol with the darts it came with....... put a few holes in the lounge wall that some furniture rearranging covered....

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 21:58

Here's the new cabinet I got my old man to make up for me :)

<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=116889&stc=1&d=1232531791">

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 22:10

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/store/side_arm-accessories/p8.htm

Hardcore lol

-Indy

sAsLEX

21st January 2009, 22:15

There is 4 empty spaces Indy......

Indiana_Jones

21st January 2009, 22:16

There is 4 empty spaces Indy......

Don't encourage me lol

The empty 4 gun rack is still on the wall......lol

Oh yea, does anyone know when the next Auckland arms fair is on?

-Indy

Drunken Monkey

21st January 2009, 22:39

Here's the new cabinet I got my old man to make up for me :)

-Indy

You getting ready for WWIII or the zombie apocalypse there or something???

lolz, just kidding. cool cab. doesn't let them get all dusty and spider webby like my rack.

sAsLEX

22nd January 2009, 01:01

I think I just found the one valid reason to own an iPhone.

http://www.knightarmco.com/bulletflight/index.htm

<img src=http://www.knightarmco.com/bulletflight/images/pic1.jpg>

"yeah hi mum....... yeah I am a little busy at the moment hang on a tic...... about 500m thats 15MOA...... BANG...... oh yeah where were we...."

Indiana_Jones

22nd January 2009, 13:40

Lol, gotta love the silly things you can get for firearms

-Indy

ManDownUnder

22nd January 2009, 13:46

I'm with MDU here

Make the effort to get a firearm licence if you're serious about shooting creatures bigger then a robbin.

-Indy

Case in point... hopefully (likely) a pisstake

lmds-xNmE1k

ManDownUnder

22nd January 2009, 13:52

Resize a case
Dont prime it and dont put powder in the case.
Run you bullet seating die out so that it is just seating the bullet in the case with only just enough tension in the neck to hole the bullet firm
Seat a bullet in the case. It should be way over sized now.
Take that "dummy" round and chamber it. (gently)
This will make the bullet catch on the rifling and push back into the case.

I don't believe it - I tried this, this morning and the damned thing didn't catch on the rifling at all!!!!

It chambered and withdrew with no effort at all - and that's with the bullet only just seated! Will try again tonight with another cartridge and bullet combo (both are brand new incidentally...)

... tres odd!

Scouse

22nd January 2009, 13:55

But I dont want a firearms licence

Indiana_Jones

22nd January 2009, 14:10

But I dont want a firearms licence

Then you'll have to go shooting with someone who does have one I guess. That's if you plan on shooting animals.

-Indy

Mr Merde

22nd January 2009, 14:22

I don't believe it - I tried this, this morning and the damned thing didn't catch on the rifling at all!!!!

It chambered and withdrew with no effort at all - and that's with the bullet only just seated! Will try again tonight with another cartridge and bullet combo (both are brand new incidentally...)

... tres odd!

There is another way.

It involves making a chamber cast with a material called kerosafe.

This melts at a temperature lower than that of boiling water.

Check out chamber cast on the web for instructions.

Once you have the cast you can determine how much leade you do have in the chamber.

Chris

ManDownUnder

22nd January 2009, 14:23

But I dont want a firearms licence

You'll need one if you want to avoid anything resebling cruelty to animals on your record.

I had a high powered air rifle (1000fps+ BSA Supersport - LOVELY piece of kit) and against my better judgement chose to use it to deal with a possum in the tree outside in order to avoid waking the kids.

Close range... chest shot... thump. squeals of pain, blood dripping... but one VERY alive possum. Shot two... thump - same thing, screams of pain but ... shot 3... thump... finally falls out of the tree where a coup de gras was administered.

Never again.

Use the right tool for the job. You wouldn't race on a road bike - you don't shoot shoot big animals with a small gun.

On the flip side - getting your license is easy enough, and opens a lot of doors for you (refer Indy's current rampage... err collecting and shooting frenzy)

Indiana_Jones

22nd January 2009, 14:30

On the flip side - getting your license is easy enough, and opens a lot of doors for you (refer Indy's current rampage... err collecting and shooting frenzy)

Lol what are you trying to say :D

Also you're spot on MDU about the cruelty to animals by using the wrong tool for the job.

So, should we get a KB shooting session sorted out for next month or March at Merdes? :2thumbsup

-Indy

Wolf

22nd January 2009, 14:38

But I dont want a firearms licence
When shooting a goat, you will typically be aiming at the upper part of the animal's front leg - as it tends to obscure the rib area wherein the heart and lungs (the bits that you actually want to hit if you value your chances of a fairly clean and quick kill). The projectile must pass through the leg, out the other side, through the ribs and into the chest cavity and have enough momentum to do nasty things to the heart and lungs.

A .22lr lacks sufficient punch to guarantee that. It'd be touch-and-go if the goat was facing you and you had a clear shot at it's rib cage - amazing how the merest things (like ribs) can deflect a light projectile far enough off course to render it inefficient...

I have seen a possum killed by a .22cal pneumatic air rifle - it was actually caught in a trap so the shooter had ample time to pump and load numerous times and shoot it in the head at point blank range.

A .22lr would have dispatched it with one shot at a far better distance.

If you want to hunt "serious" game (anything bigger than a mouse or rat), you will need a firearms licence.

Then it's .22lr for possums and rabbits (stoats and other similar-sized animals), and .222 or better for goat-sized.

Anything less, you're just going to needlessly wound and inflict pain on the animal.

Wolf

22nd January 2009, 14:51

Close range... chest shot... thump. squeals of pain, blood dripping... but one VERY alive possum. Shot two... thump - same thing, screams of pain but ... shot 3... thump... finally falls out of the tree where a coup de gras was administered.
What a lovely possum! Thoughtfully elected not to rip you to shreds in self defence.

I shot a rat with a shotgun but only just clipped it with the edge of the spread pattern, fucking thing went straight for me, shrieking. Fortunately my next shot was on the mark and killed it before it could get to me and sink its dirty teeth in.

Possum inflicted a substantial wound on one of dad's terriers: dog had "treed it" half way up the inner wall of the shed and the possum leaped over the dog to get to the door - raking with its claws as it went.

ManDownUnder

22nd January 2009, 15:05

What a lovely possum! Thoughtfully elected not to rip you to shreds in self defence.

Thanks - done my time there though... one I was about to shoot at a while back... f'n thing peed on me!

ManDownUnder

22nd January 2009, 15:16

ManDownUnder

22nd January 2009, 15:55

Copper Oxide is green - and this was cobalt blue - not even close to green

Ok - laziness on my part - but I found the answer.

Copper + Ammonia does it's chemical magic and forms copper II and copper III ions.

Copper II are light blue
Copper III are darker blue

I guess I was seeing the copper II and II combo meal...

SWEETS 7.62 is fun stuff - just keep your nose away from it... ammonia at "only" 5% will still damned near burn your lungs out!

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 18:48

Anyway - the question is this - what is the blue colouring?
When old ladies have their hair dyed blue, have you ever wondered why?
Obviously it leeches out and moves into gun barrels.

I bet you don't know where wrinkles go to, when you hang your clothes out on the washing line either...:rolleyes:

Leyton

22nd January 2009, 19:00

OK - gun cleaning.

I'm currently doing the shoot and clean shoot and clean routine breaking the barrel in.

shoot one and clean x 5 (done)
shoot 3 and clean x 1 (next)
shoot 5 and clean x 1 (next next)

Stainless barrel on the Tikka T3.

Hoppes #9
Wet patch it, let it sit for 5 mins... dry patch through, keep dry patches going till clean. Swab again... wait 5, dry patches through ...

... until the initial patch following the wet swab comes out clean... takes a while but does a good job!

So me thinks on the last clean cycle... use SWEETS 7.62 (Ammonia based) instead of the hoppes. Wet the patch and continue to swab barrel back and forth for a minute, poke it out the muzzel end, wipe off any foam at the muzzel, and remove patch

Clean patch it after that. Repeating the cycle till no blue/colouring comes out on the initial wet patch.

Jesus it was fast! 2 wet patches and it was done!

Anyway - the question is this - what is the blue colouring? Ammonia (5% w/w) solution obviously reacting with copper, lead or both... but what exactly is the blue? Copper Nitrate or something...? Lead Oxide perhaps?

Copper Oxide is green - and this was cobalt blue - not even close to green

Yeah its just the reaction with the copper :)

A trick I used with my 700 SPS (Steel barrel) was to soak it with hoppes #9 over night (Never do this with sweets! it can wreck the barrel). Poor about 5 jug fulls of hot water down the barrel then hoppes #9 it for 15 mins, Let it sit. Then flush it out with Sweets 7.62 with a jag and a few million patchs, do this for about 5 minutes, Followed by one more hot flush. Then chase it down with some fuellite or meths to displace any oily residue.

This will remove basicly all copper and make it shoot like crap again, however it will be a little more polished, and gradually improve.

After a while you should have a barrel that shoots good unfowled. Most barrels shoot better with a tiny bit of fowling until it gets too much :)

Indiana_Jones

22nd January 2009, 19:04

Have to do that with my Mosin's sometime. the 42' one if full of Copper

-Indy

Leyton

22nd January 2009, 19:11

This method removes all fowling hehe it gets quite messy and usally resaults in the rifle shooting like crap until you put about 10-15 cold rounds through it before you start to see improvement, but overall it breaks in the barrel sooner then just normal useage.

I am not a big believer in breaking in barrels :) I have been gental on my new center fire barrels in the past ensuring not to form counter productive amounts of fowling. I usally just done the old shoot 3, Clean well, shoot 5 clean, shoot 5 clean, 10 clean... For the SPS now I dont really worry too much. I just do a basic defowlment with Hoppes after a small shoot and about every 40 rounds it gets the SWEETS breifly and when it starts to shoot like poo it gets the hot water :)

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 19:22

Fowling involves feathered creatures.

Fouling, on the other hand...

Leyton

22nd January 2009, 19:34

fowling involves feathered creatures.

Fouling, on the other hand...

f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 f7 :)

sAsLEX

22nd January 2009, 20:55

Indy some to maybe add to the collection?

Indiana_Jones

22nd January 2009, 21:09

Bugger, looks like it's in Wellington!

But yea, a No. 9 .22 Enfield would be bloody awesome.

Will look into it.

I also need a good camera, will try with mine, as I plan to take close ups of all the Parker gun stuff and cleaner etc that came with my Enfield.

Feel this stuff needs to be preserved and shared.

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

22nd January 2009, 21:47

Anyone in Wellington wanna bid/buy on my behalf?

-Indy

sAsLEX

23rd January 2009, 16:32

Anyone in Wellington wanna bid/buy on my behalf?

-Indy

Lol

On another note: Don't leave Hoppes No.9 in the car....... it evaporates and leaves behind only a lovely smell! And that was in the glove box.....

ManDownUnder

23rd January 2009, 16:41

Lol

On another note: Don't leave Hoppes No.9 in the car....... it evaporates and leaves behind only a lovely smell! And that was in the glove box.....

tres bad!

Hey PM on it's way too...

Swoop

23rd January 2009, 17:42

Lol

On another note: Don't leave Hoppes No.9 in the car....... it evaporates and leaves behind only a lovely smell! And that was in the glove box.....
As the joke goes...
Woman #1: "How did you attract your husband? Chanel #5?"
Woman #2: "No! Hoppes #9!!!"

Indiana_Jones

23rd January 2009, 18:13

I quite like the smell of the old .303 cleaner I got.

They don't make it anymore I believe so won't use it! just preserve the smell!

-Indy

Wolf

23rd January 2009, 18:46

I quite like the smell of the old .303 cleaner I got.

They don't make it anymore I believe so won't use it! just preserve the smell!

-Indy
Love that smell, too. Chris reckons it's still available. I bought some a few years ago - in a plastic bottle - and transferred the contents into the old glass bottles I have. It's all used up, now, so I'm looking out for more.

If I source some, I'll let you know.

Indiana_Jones

23rd January 2009, 21:18

Love that smell, too. Chris reckons it's still available. I bought some a few years ago - in a plastic bottle - and transferred the contents into the old glass bottles I have. It's all used up, now, so I'm looking out for more.

If I source some, I'll let you know.

When we meet at Chris's sometime I'll try to remember to bring it. We can sniff it behind the bike shed lol

-Indy

Dean

23rd January 2009, 22:29

i just got me a .177 air rifle and a .22 air rifle both remnington bought for me starting of in hunting

Indiana_Jones

23rd January 2009, 22:31

i just got me a .177 air rifle and a .22 air rifle both remnington bought for me starting of in hunting

Congrats :yes:

Read the past 2-3 pages or so?

Remember those air rifles have their limits as far as hunting goes.

oh yea, we need pics!

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

24th January 2009, 11:05

http://www.hayesandassociates.co.nz/oils_cleaners.htm

Is this some of the stuff? or different brand?

-Indy

Wolf

24th January 2009, 11:09

http://www.hayesandassociates.co.nz/oils_cleaners.htm

Is this some of the stuff? or different brand?

-Indy
Dunno, I can't smell it.

Indiana_Jones

24th January 2009, 11:13

Dunno, I can't smell it.

lol

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

24th January 2009, 13:24

mmmmm

<img src="http://www.sutlers.co.uk/acatalog/SMLE.jpg">

-Indy

Drunken Monkey

24th January 2009, 18:57

mmmmm

<img src="http://www.sutlers.co.uk/acatalog/SMLE.jpg">

-Indy

Reminds me of one of my favorite movie scenes:

PROSECUTOR: Lt. Morant? Captain Hunt was a particular friend of yours?

MORANT: Yes- I mean, I was engaged to his sister in England.

PROSECUTOR: So his death was very disturbing to you?

MORANT: Well, it was more the way he died. He was mutilated.

PROSECUTOR: You were present at the actual incident where Hunt was killed?

MORANT: No!

PROSECUTOR: Well then, how do you know he wasn't killed in a fair fight?

MORANT: Because I saw the body.

PROSECUTOR: Sometime Later! You can't possibly know how Captain Hunt met hisdeath. So you cannot produce any evidence to connect Wisser with it. So then, why did you order him to be shot?

MORANT: It is customary during a war to kill as many of the enemy as possible.

JUDGE: And was your court at the trial of Wisser constituted in any way like this? What rule did you shoot him under?

MORANT: Like this? Oh no, Sir, No! It wasn't quite like this. No, No, Sir! It wasn't quite so handsome. And as for rules, we didn't carry military manuals around with us. We were out on the velt fighting the Boer the way he fought us. I'll tell you what rule we applied, Sir. We applied rule 303. We caught them... and we shot them under rule 3-0-3!

Magua

24th January 2009, 20:12

What movie are those lines from?

doc

24th January 2009, 20:25

Breaker Morant. Also checkout "The Lighthorsemen". and "Quigley downunder" . All Aussie movies. :2thumbsup

Indiana_Jones

24th January 2009, 23:24

Breaker Morant. Also checkout "The Lighthorsemen". and "Quigley downunder" . All Aussie movies. :2thumbsup

Quigley downunder is awesome.

Makes me wanna grow and mo and buy a Sharp's rifle, place in NZ sell them, have a Quigley copy too lol

-Indy

Mr Merde

25th January 2009, 22:02

Quigley downunder is awesome.

Makes me wanna grow and mo and buy a Sharp's rifle, place in NZ sell them, have a Quigley copy too lol

-Indy

Welcome to my world. Was just reading about a rifle from the 1860's

A Jacobs rifle. Double barreled. Accurate to 2000 yards. Fired solid and explosive bullets.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Neil Hayes sells the Uberti copies of the Sharps.

BTW that Youngs .303 cleaner is the same stuff. Really good.

Indiana_Jones

25th January 2009, 23:54

Hey Chris,

how was the shooting?

-Indy

sAsLEX

26th January 2009, 20:04

.577 T-Rex go BOOM

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Wolf

26th January 2009, 21:12

At Chris's suggestion, I went and checked out the Auckland Blackpowder Club's shoot on the Sunday.

After a journey off the map and into the wilds of the Hunua Range, I finally found the place and met a bunch of really colourful, interesting and friendly folk with a delightful assortment of black powder firearms ranging from flintlocks to percussion.

They were really interesting to talk to and it was great watching them load and prime the firearms then discharge them amid clouds of aromatic black smoke and orange sparks.

Really cool day.

I took the younger of my two sons, Tangwyn, along with me and he really enjoyed himself and was surprised to see there were other kids there getting involved in the action.

I really enjoyed the atmosphere and the fact that a number of the shooters choose to dress "in-period" for their firearms (slipped in a bit of SCA terminology there to see if you're awake.)

Seriously looking forward to getting the Brown Bess and getting involved in shooting events.

When I wandered down to look at the shooting I took a shortcut and missed seeing the sign with the range rules but, not being a complete idiot (bits of me are missing), I had figured out most of them anyway (including the one about not smoking near the shooters) so there were no unfortunate circumstances.

All in all, a great day out. Already looking forward to actually spending the weekend shooting, probably with the boys along for the event.

Wolf

26th January 2009, 21:21

BTW that Youngs .303 cleaner is the same stuff. Really good.
Thought it might have been, given its description, but wasn't sure. I couldn't remember what brand name the modern bottle I bought had on it. I've bought so many products over the years that "Young's" rang a bell - but so does "Hoppes" and a number of other unrelated products.

Cheers.

Got to get myself some more of it and some Ballistol (cheers for your tips n tricks with that)

Also need a decent lubricating oil since Young's is a cleaner, not a lubricant. Any suggestions for what would be best? I've used a variety of things from 3-in-1 machine oil to CRC and WD-40 - whatever I've had on hand - and I'm not sure if what I've been using is any good for the firearms or whether I'm actually doing harm.

The Pastor

27th January 2009, 13:08

EX NEW ZEALAND CADET FORCE WEAPONS
LEE ENFIELD .22 (NO 8s AND NO 9s),
LEE ENFIELD .303 (NO. 4s DP)
(.303s have been rendered unsuitable for shooting; however can be restored to a firing condition)
and
SURPLUS WOODWORK SETS AND FITTINGS FOR THE ABOVE WEAPONS

Viewing Date/Time: Friday 6 Mar 09 Starts 0930 hours – office closing time.
Auction Date/Time: Saturday 7 Mar 09 Starts 1030 hours – until completed.
Location for Viewing/Auction: Turners Auctions Ltd
120 Hutt Park Road
Seaview
Petone
Wellington
Phone: 04 5871400
Turners Point of Contact: Mr Chris Schroder
Turners Website: www.turners.co.nz or www.turnersonline.co.nz

Conditions: In conjunction with Turners’ standard conditions of sale (available online or at the time of registration) and the provisions of the New Zealand Arms Act 1983, the New Zealand Army reserve the right to impose the following restrictions:

1. Absentee bids will not be permitted or accepted.
2. Registered individual must be present to bid.
3. Access to the viewing and auction days is restricted to registered NZ Firearms Licence holders only.
4. Absolutely no more than 3 (three) firearms per registered/licenced bidder, ie 1 x .303, 1 x .22 (No 8) and 1 x .22 (No 9).
5. Absolutely no more than 5 (five) firearms per registered/licenced club. Combinations for clubs will be advised by the Army Disposal Officer at the point of registration.
6. Only 1 representative per firearms club is to be registered as the bidder.
7. No other combinations of firearms per individual and/or club will be permitted.
8. Individuals and clubs must hold a current NZ firearms licence.
9. The Firearms Licence must be presented at the point of registration.
10. And any other restriction/s as required by the New Zealand Defence Force (Army), New Zealand Police and Turners Auctions Ltd.
END

Indiana_Jones

27th January 2009, 16:43

Anyway to 'un-sporterize" a Lee-Enfield, or any rifle for that matter.

Also I've been reading up on converting Enfields and Mosin's to .22 :shutup:

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

27th January 2009, 17:19

http://www.rguns.net/rifles/rifles-bolt.shtml

Prices there too good to be true?

-Indy

sAsLEX

27th January 2009, 20:34

Sat down at a new desk at work and what do you know, the chap next to me has 60 odd brass of varying calibres (mostly pistol) sitting on his comp.

Spent the last hour of the day chatting away about nothing to do with work :cool:

ManDownUnder

27th January 2009, 22:03

Anyway to 'un-sporterize" a Lee-Enfield, or any rifle for that matter.

Also I've been reading up on converting Enfields and Mosin's to .22 :shutup:

-Indy

I also hear you might want to consider reading up on mortgage rates, how they're due to drop in the next week or two and how using that knowledge to your personal best effect will:
1) improve your sex life no end
2) save you money in the long run (someone say guns?)
3) re-read 1) and 2) above - if they're not compelling arguments you need your head read.

... as you were... :)

... this message was sponsored by the letters "A" and "J"...

Indiana_Jones

27th January 2009, 22:34

I also hear you might want to consider reading up on mortgage rates, how they're due to drop in the next week or two and how using that knowledge to your personal best effect will:
1) improve your sex life no end
2) save you money in the long run (someone say guns?)
3) re-read 1) and 2) above - if they're not compelling arguments you need your head read.

... as you were... :)

... this message was sponsored by the letters "A" and "J"...

que'? lol

-Indy

SARGE

27th January 2009, 22:37

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/data/default/images/catalog/large/saiga12combo2.jpg

ManDownUnder

27th January 2009, 22:55

Lemme guess... it's for the Hari Krishnas?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/data/default/images/catalog/large/saiga12combo2.jpg

SARGE

27th January 2009, 23:02

Lemme guess... it's for the Hari Krishnas?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/storeproduct727.aspx

anyone really....doubt those skinny little rice-eaters could shoulder it though...

ManDownUnder

27th January 2009, 23:11

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/storeproduct727.aspx

anyone really....doubt those skinny little rice-eaters could shoulder it though...

Yowser - gotta admit I didn't expect it to be a 12g!

Take that puppy to the Easter Bunny Shoot...!

SARGE

27th January 2009, 23:15

Yowser - gotta admit I didn't expect it to be a 12g!

Take that puppy to the Easter Bunny Shoot...!

semi auto too

Mr Merde

28th January 2009, 07:34

Love the 20 round drum.

Alternate #4 with 00 and solids.

Real fun

ducatilover

28th January 2009, 10:51

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/storeproduct727.aspx

anyone really....doubt those skinny little rice-eaters could shoulder it though...

that could be a fun toy......:2guns::confused:

Indiana_Jones

28th January 2009, 11:27

Tis a glorious day to go shooting.

too bad I'm at work!

-Indy

ManDownUnder

28th January 2009, 11:46

making #3 or #4 shot?

I know the larger shot is cast the regular way, the littleton shotmaker will do #6 and smaller shot ...but arte there standard techniques for making #3 or #4 shot (bunny shot)?

The Pastor

28th January 2009, 14:56

i have a couple of slabs of #4 sitting here, you want it, you got it - $120

SARGE

28th January 2009, 21:50

http://splodetv.com/video/2008-oklahoma-full-auto-shoot

America..FUCK YEA!!!

pritch

28th January 2009, 21:54

semi auto too

I saw a similar thing at the local club. Different brand though.
Without the big capacity mags all you need is an "A" licence too.

Was fun to shoot :done:

Indiana_Jones

28th January 2009, 22:11

Did some copper removing on my new Mosin, fuck me there's a lot of blue patches coming out...and out.....and out... lol

only 2 more rifle to do :Pokey:

-Indy

ManDownUnder

28th January 2009, 23:04

i have a couple of slabs of #4 sitting here, you want it, you got it - $120

1 slab - sold! PM me with pick up details.

ManDownUnder

28th January 2009, 23:06

Did some copper removing on my new Mosin, fuck me there's a lot of blue patches coming out...and out.....and out... lol

only 2 more rifle to do :Pokey:

-Indy

sweet 7.62 ammonia based cleaner. Breaking in the tikka's barrel... one shot... clean clean clean f'n clean...

one more shot... clean clean clean etc

I tried sweets... One wet patch rubbed in the bore for a minute - blue as all hell. A couple of clean patches through.

Repeat. DONE!

It's ammonia based so make double damned sure you clean it out properly get the bore dry then put gun oil through... but otherwise... AWESOME stuff.

Bring the beastie out my way if you want to have a go with it. You'll need to bring your cleaning rod too... PM me if you want to.

Mr Merde

29th January 2009, 07:59

Went out last night for my first look at the land we have leased for a new shooting range.

We are up to the stage where we have to go for resource consent so I arranged for one of those responsible for granting this concent, to accompany us there.

He told us everything we need to apply for. How to write it down, what information we require eg statements from neighbours etc.

We were told that as it stands now we will have no ploblems with getting concent.

So how is it going to be set up.

Physically we will have 4 shooting bays cut into a cliff. This will be for 25 metre shooting, pistols and small bore rifle. The person who gazettes ranges in NZ has told us that there will be no calibre restrictions as this was a totally safe firing zone. He has pulled up a topigraphical map of the place nad run it through the system and we are looking good there.

We have a claybird area already set up, 6 firing points made of concrete slabs and a covered point out front for the clay thrower.

There are points all alog a large gully that have been set up for sporting clays with some very difficult stages.

There is a couple of firing points for mid range rifle.

There is a club house already there with running water and a flushing toilet.

No electricity but a generator will fix that.

So what are we going to have

4 pistol ranges that double for small bore rifle
2 long range rifle points that can be used
Clay pigeon ranges for Sporting clays (ordered 22 throwers)
An area for skeet and dtl
A club house.
Water, toilet facilities,
Ample parking and camping area.
No close neihbours to complain about noise.
no access problems or through traffic (in the middle of 400 hectares of land)
A revolving 3 year lease
A land owner who is more than pro shooting.
Letters from 3 different divisions in the police force backing our setting up of a shooting range.
The NZPA giving us every assistance they can

A membership of committed pistol\cowboy\shotgun\rifle shooters.

Support from a charity that seriously considers us as a viable and legitamate outlet for a finacial grant with which to develop the site further

A location that is reasonably close to Auckland to make it viable for persons over the Nth Shore to use. (Range is in Franklin district).

Persons already qualified as Range Officers 1 and 2, also someone qualified to run holster qualification courses as per the NZPA.

So people everything so far seems to be running sweet.

I will keep you all informed as to how things are progressing as and when there is further developments.

Chris

Indiana_Jones

29th January 2009, 09:19

sweet 7.62 ammonia based cleaner. Breaking in the tikka's barrel... one shot... clean clean clean f'n clean...

one more shot... clean clean clean etc

I tried sweets... One wet patch rubbed in the bore for a minute - blue as all hell. A couple of clean patches through.

Repeat. DONE!

It's ammonia based so make double damned sure you clean it out properly get the bore dry then put gun oil through... but otherwise... AWESOME stuff.

Bring the beastie out my way if you want to have a go with it. You'll need to bring your cleaning rod too... PM me if you want to.

I think I got shooter's choice and yea, Ammonia based too.

Also made sure I cleaned the barrel afterwards and oiled, as always :niceone:

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

29th January 2009, 09:47

Sounding great Chris :niceone:

-Indy

Swoop

29th January 2009, 12:19

I think I just found the one valid reason to own an iPhone.

Found this today...

Apple Software Makes A Better Sniper.
January 26, 2009: Apple computer now has two sniper rifle software applications for the iPhone and iPod Touch (which looks like the iPhone, but is just an iPod with a big screen and wi-fi capability). The BulletFlight software is available at the iPhone software store, and it performs the calculations needed to account for atmospheric conditions (wind, temperature, humidity, altitude and barometric pressure) for long range shooting. The output tells you how many clicks to adjust your scope to make the shot more accurately. Before use, you input basic data like rifle type and bullet weight.
Now a highly experienced sniper can do this in his head. There are similar dedicated devices that cost about $7,000. But BulletFlight is affordable, does the job and appeals to inexperienced snipers, hunters, recreational shooters and those who are just curious. The software costs $12. If you want to actually use it, you need to buy a protective case ($50) for the iPod, and a device ($25) that attaches it to the rail found on most sniper rifles and high end hunting rifles. So for shooting purposes, the entire kit costs you about $90. An iPod Touch (8 gigabyte version) sells for under $200.

There is some concern that the light from the iPod Touch screen might give away the snipers position at night. But you can set the light level on the Touch, so it probably won't be a problem. Besides, you are using BulletFlight for long range shots (300 meters or more), so the light from the display won't be a major problem. Or it shouldn't be. Time will tell. IPods are popular with the troops. Not just for the music and videos, but also for foreign language translations. This uses special software developed for the U.S. Army and distributed to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers and marines are big users of smart phones (like the iPhone) and new ideas. A lot of troops are going to try out BulletFlight, even if they aren't snipers.

The Pastor

29th January 2009, 14:14

thats pretty cool

Wolf

29th January 2009, 15:23

Found this today...

Apple Software Makes A Better Sniper.
January 26, 2009: Apple computer now has two sniper rifle software applications for the iPhone and iPod Touch (which looks like the iPhone, but is just an iPod with a big screen and wi-fi capability). The BulletFlight software is available at the iPhone software store, and it performs the calculations needed to account for atmospheric conditions (wind, temperature, humidity, altitude and barometric pressure) for long range shooting. The output tells you how many clicks to adjust your scope to make the shot more accurately. Before use, you input basic data like rifle type and bullet weight.
Now a highly experienced sniper can do this in his head. There are similar dedicated devices that cost about $7,000. But BulletFlight is affordable, does the job and appeals to inexperienced snipers, hunters, recreational shooters and those who are just curious. The software costs $12. If you want to actually use it, you need to buy a protective case ($50) for the iPod, and a device ($25) that attaches it to the rail found on most sniper rifles and high end hunting rifles. So for shooting purposes, the entire kit costs you about $90. An iPod Touch (8 gigabyte version) sells for under $200.

There is some concern that the light from the iPod Touch screen might give away the snipers position at night. But you can set the light level on the Touch, so it probably won't be a problem. Besides, you are using BulletFlight for long range shots (300 meters or more), so the light from the display won't be a major problem. Or it shouldn't be. Time will tell. IPods are popular with the troops. Not just for the music and videos, but also for foreign language translations. This uses special software developed for the U.S. Army and distributed to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers and marines are big users of smart phones (like the iPhone) and new ideas. A lot of troops are going to try out BulletFlight, even if they aren't snipers.
Can we get it ported to a Linux PDA :devil2:

Indiana_Jones

29th January 2009, 16:44

Was thinking that today, only takes one person to buy it and change it so it works on windows, cell phone, blackberry, gameboy....

-Indy

The Pastor

29th January 2009, 19:12

there already are heaps of bullet trajectory programes out there?

Indiana_Jones

29th January 2009, 19:41

there already are heaps of bullet trajectory programes out there?

again, same thing.

But only cool people own apple aye.... :rolleyes:

-Indy

ducatilover

29th January 2009, 20:01

i need that ipod touchy thing, a gun and oh can you get an ipod touch with a clit? could be quite a selling point think....*now rub the clit twice anticlockwise* :2thumbsup

sAsLEX

29th January 2009, 22:18

again, same thing.

But only cool people own apple aye.... :rolleyes:

-Indy

Do most pdas have an accelerometer in them?

Indiana_Jones

29th January 2009, 22:41

Do most pdas have an accelerometer in them?

Wouldn't know, don't own the poxy things lol

-Indy

ManDownUnder

30th January 2009, 08:18

again, same thing.

But only cool people own apple aye.... :rolleyes:

-Indy

I wouldn't rely on that argument... let's examine some of the other things only cool people used to have. Starting with leg warmers...

It's a processor with a piece of fruit on it.

edit - I'm also reliably informed they're a paperweight... and (dragging this back on topic...) ... a target

Indiana_Jones

30th January 2009, 11:33

Wolf

30th January 2009, 11:44

edit - I'm also reliably informed they're a paperweight... and (dragging this back on topic...) ... a target
Now we're talkin'!

Wolf

30th January 2009, 11:45

but yea, back on topic, Chris mentioned MDU or Wolf (can't remember now) sent him a cd with 100's of different targets on it. what sorts you got on it?
'Tweren't me.

Indiana_Jones

30th January 2009, 11:50

'Tweren't me.

Well I guess that narrows it down, don't it?

-Indy

ManDownUnder

30th January 2009, 12:44

I could spend $600 on an Apple toy, or a new rifle.....hmmmmm let's think about that lol

but yea, back on topic, Chris mentioned MDU or Wolf (can't remember now) sent him a cd with 100's of different targets on it. what sorts you got on it?

I can print some off etc if need be

-Indy
Cool...! Standard sigting targets, competition targets, rifle, pistol, long range, short range, animals, silhouettes... tons of stuff mate...

'Tweren't me.

'Twas me!

Well I guess that narrows it down, don't it?

-Indy
YUP!

Wolf

30th January 2009, 14:17

'Twas me!
Cool, can I have a copy, please - that way, if anyone gets us confused again, I can at least give them a copy...

Indiana_Jones

30th January 2009, 14:21

I'll have to remember to bring a CD over next time I go to Chris's place.

-Indy

ManDownUnder

31st January 2009, 08:33

Fox hunting is one topic... but the gun surrender stuff is REAL interesting - along with the associated jump in crime stats.

yTq2NEUlhDE

Indiana_Jones

31st January 2009, 14:41

That video made my blood boil.

I try to follow Spankme's 1st post here, keep it about guns and now laws. Just makes arguments and before you know it we'll be the Scottish thread parte the II.

-Indy

The Pastor

31st January 2009, 20:11

bloody wingeing poms!

Indiana_Jones

31st January 2009, 23:03

bloody wingeing poms!

In this case they didn't winge enough!

-Indy

Winston001

31st January 2009, 23:44

Fox hunting is one topic... but the gun surrender stuff is REAL interesting - along with the associated jump in crime stats.

yTq2NEUlhDE

First time I've had a look at this thread.

Ned, that's an appallingly biased and shallow report but I can understand the interest in it. It could have been made by the American Riflemans Association rather than a "news" studio.

First - Tony Martin, the farmer who shot and killed an intruder. He was convicted of murder by a jury which had the option of manslaughter. Generally juries acquit these sort of cases.

Secondly, Tony Martin was found to suffer from paranoid personality disorder, not exactly a poster-boy for the right to bear arms. Ultimately he served 3 years and is a free man today.

Thirdly, the report relies upon the assertion of an activist that armed crime has skyrocketed in the UK since pistols were withdrawn from the general public. No independent backup. There is also an anonymous polceman who says the same. I'd be more convinced if the Police union was doing the talking - openly - like they do here.

Ultimately all I can suggest is we consider the USA where personal weapons abound and ask ourselves if we'd be safer if we could do the same.

Indiana_Jones

2nd February 2009, 08:00

Back to the guns....

This looks great! :D

<img src="http://www.adamsguns.com/bsa15.jpg">

-Indy

ManDownUnder

2nd February 2009, 08:29

Ultimately all I can suggest is we consider the USA where personal weapons abound and ask ourselves if we'd be safer if we could do the same.

+1 - exactly why I posted it. Compare that with the Swiss who have a gun in every house...

One country has the fundamental right to bear arms and form militias... the other has the ways of the military forced upon them. It seems the latter works better...

... and that's gross oversimplification I know...

The Pastor

2nd February 2009, 09:52

Gun crime, goes up... Crimes like posession of illigal firearms?

Also still got 2 slabs of number4 shottie ammo for sale $120

Drunken Monkey

2nd February 2009, 10:30

Brett

2nd February 2009, 10:41

Indiana_Jones

2nd February 2009, 10:56

Wonder if any of you can help me, I am looking to bring over a few guns from South Africa. I know I need a permit to import from the arms officer, the bit I am trying to work through, is the best way to physically get them from South Africa to NZ. Courier - if so what is the deal with weapons being couriered? DO I need to arrange anything with the aircraft company in terms of paperwork etc? Any ideas?

I don't think anything super special needs to be done, obviously you would need to declare it etc.

As long as there's no ammo in it, it's just a club. gets stuck in the cargo.

Best you ring up a few companies and see what the deal is.

EDIT: What sort of guns? :D

-Indy

Swoop

2nd February 2009, 11:32

Wonder if any of you can help me, I am looking to bring over a few guns from South Africa. I know I need a permit to import from the arms officer, the bit I am trying to work through, is the best way to physically get them from South Africa to NZ. Courier - if so what is the deal with weapons being couriered? DO I need to arrange anything with the aircraft company in terms of paperwork etc? Any ideas?
A very dodgy area to get into.
Some countries will not even allow your shipment to overfly into their airspace!!!
Talk to someone with good knowledge regarding doing this. A licenced arms dealer would be a starting point. Your local arms officer would be another.

Winston001

2nd February 2009, 12:40

Switzerland is an interesting case. A few minutes googling statistics seems to indicate deaths involving guns is still relatively high, but specifically gun crime is relatively low. It seems a high proportion of deaths by gun in Switzerland are suicides, not murders. So strictly speaking, it's still relatively safe given the massive availbility of firearms. Gun control advocates would argue that's still a valid reason for control; I would see it as no different to banning bridges to prevent suicide.

Mmm.....so Maxime is feeling depressed cos Emilie dumped him, knocking back the lager, he reaches into a drawer and pulls out a bridge......:buggerd:

No disrespect, but as for the canard that Switzerland is a Pollyanna paradise of gun-huggers who only take them to church on Sundays -

Switzerland: Opponents of gun control often use Switzerland as evidence that access to guns is not linked to crime or violence. They argue that since virtually all adult males are members of the army and have military weapons, there is nearly universal access to deadly weapons yet few gun-related problems in Switzerland.

However, Swiss criminologist Martin Killias, of the Université de Lausanne, argues that the rate of households with firearms is actually comparable to that of Canada (27.2%). There is strict screening of army officers and ammunition is stored in sealed boxes and inspected regularly.

Despite these controls, Switzerland has rates of gun suicide second only to the US among the countries Killias surveyed and a gun murder rate comparable to Canada's.

Wolf

2nd February 2009, 12:43

And this is the reason why politics need to be left out of this thread.

Damn, this asbestos suit chafes something fierce!

Winston001

2nd February 2009, 12:46

Don't get me wrong guys, I'd love to own a collection of guns. 45s, 22s, 9mm etc AK47, M4, Garand etc etc.

Its just that I don't want you to own any. :devil2: I can trust myself not to go on a rampage or commit murder when I'm a tad annoyed, but youse guys......well, ask yourselves. :Pokey: I mean, no unkindness intended, but there are some people here who shouldn't be in control of a motorcycle never mind a firearm.

NOWOOL

2nd February 2009, 12:52

A popular thread (http://www.sv-portal.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22615) on my SV site, so will try it here. Let me know if I missed any options in the poll.

This is just for talking about firearms, not the rights and wrongs of firearm ownership.

Anyone know who the NZ browning importer is? I need an extractor spring for an auto-22.

it would be cheaper to order it overseas GPC is the largest source of parts and they are dirt cheap. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

Wolf

2nd February 2009, 12:59

Indiana_Jones

2nd February 2009, 13:25

And this is the reason why politics need to be left out of this thread.

Thank you!

So, gonna come to the new rnage when Chris gives us the green light? :scooter:

-Indy

Wolf

2nd February 2009, 14:08

Thank you!

So, gonna come to the new rnage when Chris gives us the green light? :scooter:

-Indy
Yep! Really excited about it.

Winston001

2nd February 2009, 14:11

Are you sure you're not a politician or a police commissioner?

:devil2:

Dang - busted. Not!

Anyway my bad, no politics, I withdraw mumbling and shall look for a stoush somewhere else......sob. Hell it wasn't even a 5 minute argument..... :D

Winston001

2nd February 2009, 14:15

And I walked in, I sat down, they gave me a piece of paper that said: "Kid, see the psychiatrist in room 604."

I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I wanna kill. I wanna kill! I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth! Eat dead, burnt bodies! I mean: Kill. Kill!"

And I started jumpin' up and down, yellin' "KILL! KILL!" and he started jumpin' up and down with me, and we was both jumpin' up and down, yellin', "KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!" and the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said "You're our boy"......:2guns:

Wolf

2nd February 2009, 14:21

Hell it wasn't even a 5 minute argument..... :D
Yes it was...

Mr Merde

2nd February 2009, 14:53

I am tired !

Exhausted may better describe my current condition.

I am approaching middle age (53 yo in NOV).

I have been shooting firearms since the day I was 13 and my father introduced me to the Deerstalkers Assn in Ardmore with the instructions to them of "my son wants to shoot, teach him correctly".

I have shot every sort of firearm I could lay my hands on. I have shot competitively, actively and at other times just for fun (plinking).

I have been involved heavily in working for the right of persons such as myself to enjoy their chosen sport. (Did you know that pistol shooting was one of the originsal 6 disciplines of the modern olympic movement?).

After all these years i stiil find I am pasionate about my "CHOSEN SPORT".

What tires me is having to defend myself from those who would remove that right in some misbegotten belief that the world would be better off without people like me.

Firearms are dangerous.

Bollocks

People are dangerous. I proved this once by placing a .45 ACP pistol on a table in front of an avid anti gun advocate. Sha sat there looking at it until she asked me what i was doing. I replied that I was waiting for the pistol to jump up and shoot her. I saw the light go on. She suddenly understood that it was the person behind the gun that was dangerous. I took great pleasure in standing reference for her when she obtained her own firearms licence and helped her pick out a Sig 230 as her chosen pistol.

unfortunately this world is now run bhy those who look to blame. Nothing now is a matter of personal responsibility, its always the fault of someone or something else.

In the times of stress and danger we are the persons that are in demand. We are of value when someones right to blame is threatened. Afterwards we are the leppars of society.

Maybe I have the instiuncts of a caveman! Maybe I am an annachronism. Maybe I am someone who is capable of great violence.

But maybe I am someone who lives by their own personal beliefs not a collective diatribe. Maybe the caveman in me should be let be.

I know i have probably said all this before but every now and then I need to remind people that diversification is a good thing and sometimes the warrior type of person is needed.

Chris

Brett

2nd February 2009, 15:25

I don't think anything super special needs to be done, obviously you would need to declare it etc.

As long as there's no ammo in it, it's just a club. gets stuck in the cargo.

Best you ring up a few companies and see what the deal is.

EDIT: What sort of guns? :D

-Indy

Yeah trying to do that now.

They are a .22 long rifle and a 30.06. Both beautiful guns.

Brett

2nd February 2009, 15:27

A very dodgy area to get into.
Some countries will not even allow your shipment to overfly into their airspace!!!
Talk to someone with good knowledge regarding doing this. A licenced arms dealer would be a starting point. Your local arms officer would be another.

Wow, didn't realise that some countries were that anal. What then would say someone who goes overseas on hunting trips do? Will head into serious shooters tomorrow and ask some questions. I know a few immigrants who just throw them into the container when they are coming over here. Worst comes to worst, may have to go fetch them in person.

Mr Merde

2nd February 2009, 22:17

Tried it. Impressed to a point and dissapointed as well. Im confused....

Nice to see you back Sniper. Missed your contributions to this thread.

Will bre down your way in November.

The missus has decided it is time we went on a road trip.

My relatives in Invergiggle have been giving me greif about not visiting them. Sharron has decided we will go down for the Burt Munro e vent this year. She is planning a 3 week trip.

Chris

Sniper

2nd February 2009, 22:20

Nice to see you back Sniper. Missed your contributions to this thread.

Will bre down your way in November.

The missus has decided it is time we went on a road trip.

My relatives in Invergiggle have been giving me greif about not visiting them. Sharron has decided we will go down for the Burt Munro e vent this year. She is planning a 3 week trip.

Chris

Thanks, yea, Im hoping to be home in November sometime, currently residing in Aus making money.

I still owe you alot of beers anyway.

BTW, going buffalo hunting next week :D

Mr Merde

2nd February 2009, 22:28

Thanks, yea, Im hoping to be home in November sometime, currently residing in Aus making money.

I still owe you alot of beers anyway.

BTW, going buffalo hunting next week :D

Nice one. What shooter are you taking?

What are you doing in Aussie?

Sniper

2nd February 2009, 22:47

Nice one. What shooter are you taking?

What are you doing in Aussie?

Working on a mine site on Groote Eylandt as a machinery operator and on the blast crew.

Not sure on the shooter, its a guided hunting trip shouted by one of the bosses, I was just told to come along.

Indiana_Jones

3rd February 2009, 08:26

Get my PM Chris?

-Indy

ManDownUnder

3rd February 2009, 09:34

I don't think anything super special needs to be done, obviously you would need to declare it etc.

Ummmm... not sure about South Africa... but here's an intro to getting stuff out of the US of A.

Step one - make sure you are allowed to actually export the thing. Getting an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) (http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/do_i_needaneccn.html)

In an interesting twist... even if you don't need an ECCN for some objects (scopes to NZ for example are classed "EAR99" meaning it's ok)... but you still need to apply, have your application rejected... then show that rejection to the powers that be if they ask for it to prove you're all in the clear. It takes a few months too... and phone calls... etc. And if you think you can find someone in the US you can buy off and they will ship interbnation - even though it's actually ok... ummm - nuh. Or if you can - ring me - I want projectiles!

So - anyone want to buy a scope? (I have 2 more to sell... Weaver Grand Slam 3.5-10x50)

:)

Indiana_Jones

3rd February 2009, 10:26

So - anyone want to buy a scope? (I have 2 more to sell... Weaver Grand Slam 3.5-10x50)

:)

Donno if that'll suit and fit my side mount for the Mosin.

Might get a newer/similar, even a PU for her sometime.

-Indy

Mr Merde

3rd February 2009, 10:29

...Or if you can - ring me - I want projectiles!

......:)

Ever thought about swaging your own? Check oiut www.corbins.com (http://www.corbins.com)

They sell swaging equipment.

Also check out some of the Barnes Bullets for sale on TradeMe

I know NZ is really expensive to get any components.

ManDownUnder

3rd February 2009, 10:36

Check oiut www.corbins.com (http://www.corbins.com)

LOL.... you really are a bad bad man...

... most excellent...

Mr Merde

3rd February 2009, 10:46

LOL.... you really are a bad bad man...

... most excellent...

The beauty of swaging is the very exact tollerances you can get. You can also swage into a copper jacket.

It would probably be more ecconomical if a couple of people got together and bought the equipment.

The press is the big purchase. After that you by individual dies for your calibre. You can even get top dies that give you any tip to the bullet you require.

Read the site. Facinating subject that has piqued my interest now for a few years.

One thing that has intrigued me is that you can use cases from the .22 to make jackets for bullets. talk about recycling.

Indiana_Jones

3rd February 2009, 11:04

That looks sweet!

-Indy

Mr Merde

3rd February 2009, 11:23

With kit like this you coulkd make bullets for any calibre you care to. Allyou need are the dies and punches. You can even automate the process so that you can produce greater quantities of bullets.

Imagine if you bought a rifle where the bore wasnt exactly the diameter stated. Its worn or waas made to a tolerance.

The old Marlins chambered for 38-55 could vary to +- 0.02 inch

With kit like this you could make a bullet to fit.

If you want to try a different shape, a different nose, a different mateial. no problem swaging.

Plastic bullets. Why not. Solid copper, no problem, aluminium bullets, can be done.

The possibilities are varied.

Do I sound like a preacher. I would love to own this equipment.

No hot metal, no warming up time, no danger from fumes and the possibility of an explosion in the lead pot. (had one the other day and hot lead went all over my work bench. luckily I was about 4 feet from it but it still made me nervous)

Chris

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 11:21

The set-up cost would be quite costly, but if you brought it in a group (say a gun club etc) and used it, it would be very good.

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 12:39

I've been informed that the next Auckland Arms fair will be on the 4th - 5th of April :)

-Indy

EJK

5th February 2009, 12:43

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 12:50

Serious question here. Can a break barrel (those spring ones not a "fire"arm) 0.177 be used for pest control? Meaning, can they kill rabbits and possums?

At the moment I am tempted to buy one of those small spring operated rifles for pest control but no idea if they are good or bad (they can't be good can they? They are the bottom end models).

Many maintenance fees like motorbikes?

Thanks

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42615&page=151

Read from post 2260 onwards.

Another guy asked his, and the general opinion is that yes you could kill a possum and/or rabbit, but it can be a very messy.

You'd need a higher end model etc, and buy that time it's cheaper to get a licence and buy a cheap .22

-Indy

Winston001

5th February 2009, 13:12

Winston001

5th February 2009, 13:13

Double post my bad.

EJK

5th February 2009, 13:13

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42615&page=151

Read from post 2260 onwards.

Another guy asked his, and the general opinion is that yes you could kill a possum and/or rabbit, but it can be a very messy.

You'd need a higher end model etc, and buy that time it's cheaper to get a licence and buy a cheap .22

-Indy

LOL from post 2260.... thanks for the link :niceone:

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 13:15

LOL from post 2260.... thanks for the link :niceone:

No problem mate.

Hope you find out what you want. If not, just ask.

PS get a licence, you'll love it ;)

-Indy

EJK

5th February 2009, 13:17

No problem mate.

Hope you find out what you want. If not, just ask.

PS get a licence, you'll love it ;)

-Indy

Alright, what does it take to have a license? I heard it's very similar to a car license yes?

Wolf

5th February 2009, 13:21

The spring ones can be pretty gutless, I certainly would not want to shoot rabbit or possum with one.

Some of the high-end pneumatics (read: "fucking expensive") would work at fairly close range on a vital spot (saw a trapped possum take a number of slugs to the head at practically point blank range - .22 pneumatic - it was a slow and messy death. Not fun.)

As Indy said: go for a firearms licence and a cheap .22lr - even a cheap single shot has a lot more "pest destruction" potential than the best pneumatic air rifles on the market - harder-hitting and more humane.

Wolf

5th February 2009, 13:22

Alright, what does it take to have a license? I heard it's very similar to a car license yes?
No, you can't buy them for $400 in Auckland dairies...

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 13:26

Alright, what does it take to have a license? I heard it's very similar to a car license yes?

$123 application fee (seems steep but all you're paying for is the cop's time, so it's reasonable).

Give 2 references, which the cops have to interview in person (hence the fee again). Then they come to inspect your gun storage, in my case I brought a $40 gun rack off trademe.

Then you goto a gun safety course for a few hours, show you a video, go over the arms code, a lot of it is common sense stuff.

Then wait a few months and you'll be away laughing for the next 10 years.

A-cat licence will let you buy rifles (not all rifles though) and shotguns.

:)

-Indy

The Pastor

5th February 2009, 13:34

the spring ones can be pretty gutless, i certainly would not want to shoot rabbit or possum with one.

Some of the high-end pneumatics (read: "fucking expensive") would work at fairly close range on a vital spot (saw a trapped possum take a number of slugs to the head at practically point blank range - .22 pneumatic - it was a slow and messy death. Not fun.)

as indy said: Go for a firearms licence and a cheap .22lr - even a cheap single shot has a lot more "pest destruction" potential than the best pneumatic air rifles on the market - harder-hitting and more humane.
my spring air rifle has no trouble killing rabbits or possums.

Trick is to get one thats over 1000fps.

Mr Merde

5th February 2009, 14:05

Great post but I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid. :blip:

Call me dense but I've lost the plot on this answer.

Paid what?

Mr Merde

5th February 2009, 14:06

my spring air rifle has no trouble killing rabbits or possums.

Trick is to get one thats over 1000fps.

Never having had an air rifle of any sort I bow to your superior knowledge in this matter.

Wolf

5th February 2009, 14:14

Never having had an air rifle of any sort I bow to your superior knowledge in this matter.
Never having had an air rifle capable of more than 1000fps, I'm jealous of him.

:devil2:

The Pastor

5th February 2009, 14:36

if anyone spots a 2nd hand norico jw20 for sale (take down semi .22) give me a bell eh?

yes im that cheap that i dont want to pay full price for a norico!

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 14:39

All hail the air rifle king!

-Indy

EJK

5th February 2009, 16:31

$123 application fee (seems steep but all you're paying for is the cop's time, so it's reasonable).

Give 2 references, which the cops have to interview in person (hence the fee again). Then they come to inspect your gun storage, in my case I brought a $40 gun rack off trademe.

Then you goto a gun safety course for a few hours, show you a video, go over the arms code, a lot of it is common sense stuff.

Then wait a few months and you'll be away laughing for the next 10 years.

A-cat licence will let you buy rifles (not all rifles though) and shotguns.

:)

-Indy

Very interesting and sounds completely doable however I think I will get started when I go independent. Don't think my parents will allow me having a gun and bullets in my closet/ cabinet.

Thanks for the information, I will keep that in mind.

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 17:28

Very interesting and sounds completely doable however I think I will get started when I go independent. Don't think my parents will allow me having a gun and bullets in my closet/ cabinet.

Thanks for the information, I will keep that in mind.

Just need to convince them they're safe, which they are.

-Indy

The Pastor

5th February 2009, 17:55

nah man they are totally dangerous, even if you look at one, you will be come a crazed criminal and go rob a bank, shoot up the place and cause myriad's of mayhem.

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 18:13

nah man they are totally dangerous, even if you look at one, you will be come a crazed criminal and go rob a bank, shoot up the place and cause myriad's of mayhem.

Of course, without a doubt!

-Indy

EJK

5th February 2009, 23:40

What are the rules when it comes to hunting rabbits and possums? Pest control should I say? And lastly where can it be done, preferably near Christchurch or within.

Thanks. Very keen at the moment but don't know where to start...

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 23:45

Where do you plan on shooting?

-Indy

sAsLEX

5th February 2009, 23:47

I've been informed that the next Auckland Arms fair will be on the 4th - 5th of April :)

-Indy

Bugger at sea.......getting to use the 5 inch!

preferably near Christchurch or within.

umm not a mind reader Indy but I would say CHCH?

Indiana_Jones

5th February 2009, 23:52

Bugger at sea.......getting to use the 5 inch!

umm not a mind reader Indy but I would say CHCH?

That's a shame mate!

And I was kinda meaning like on a farm etc? does he know anyone with land or just planned to walk down to the local park lol

-Indy

EJK

5th February 2009, 23:57

Where do you plan on shooting?

-Indy

Where can I hunt? Farm? Hmmm...

OK, where can I find rabbits? (apart from Pet Stores) I guess you've done it, so was it fun? Is it fun?

That's a shame mate!

And I was kinda meaning like on a farm etc? does he know anyone with land or just planned to walk down to the local park lol

-Indy

Anywhere I can find rabbits and possums basically... well even sometimes I do find some on the streets but I want a place somewhere they are easily found? lol

Indiana_Jones

6th February 2009, 00:03

Bunny blasting is fun, no doubt there lol.

I mean you can't just pull you're .22 out and shoot a rabbit on your lawn if you live in the suburbs etc.

You'd have to get out to the sticks a bit. Do you anyone with land etc? go talk to some of the local farmers if any are close by, ask nicely if it'd be ok to do some rabbit shooting on their land with permission. Don't be surprised or offended if they say no, some are worried about their livestock and fair enough to them.

Also there's target shooting. Must be a range in town I'm guessing.

-Indy

EJK

6th February 2009, 00:08

Bunny blasting is fun, no doubt there lol.

Also there's target shooting. Must be a range in town I'm guessing.

-Indy

Sweet! So when do rabbits normally "active" at? At night time? If so how do you hunt? Guessing light source will make them run away? No?

P.S. Yes I am desperate, hence the question after question.

Edit: Found a decent source. Some very good explanations which I exactly needed. http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/archive/index.php?t-578.html

Indiana_Jones

6th February 2009, 00:13

They can be seen at all times of the day, but like to start sticking their heads up at dusk onwards.

If you get a light on them and you're quick you'll get them before they know what's going on.

Anyways I must sleep now.

Look on trade me for .22 rifles, heaps of them there, if you're planing on going after bunnies, I suggest a semi-auto, you know what that means right? (where the rifle loads the next round automatically each time you pull the trigger, i.e. don't have to use a bolt).

I should get another .22, only have one.

-Indy

sAsLEX

6th February 2009, 00:21

I suggest a semi-auto

If you plan on missing the first shot..... though a ruger 10/22 is a good one..... one shot should be enough!

I should get another .22, only have one.

-Indy

Shit only one? and space in the cupboard? and the NZCF selling NO.8 .22s?

Indiana_Jones

6th February 2009, 07:50

Shit only one? and space in the cupboard? and the NZCF selling NO.8 .22s?

Problem is getting to Wellington and back etc.

Will end up being quite costly.

If I could bid from Auckland then I would, I dare say.

-Indy

ducatilover

6th February 2009, 12:30

Look on trade me for .22 rifles, heaps of them there, if you're planing on going after bunnies, I suggest a semi-auto, you know what that means right? (where the rifle loads the next round automatically each time you pull the trigger, i.e. don't have to use a bolt)

-Indy

file the trigger return system off and keep that bitch going and miss every bunny! full on American style:msn-wink:

Indiana_Jones

6th February 2009, 15:56

Just got home, time to clean 6 rifles lol

Thanks Chris again for having us! :niceone:

And cheers Scott for a go on the shotie :)

-Indy

EJK

6th February 2009, 17:29

Whats the good and the bad about 0.177 Single Shot, Break Barrel, Cocking, Spring Piston action rifles?

ducatilover

7th February 2009, 06:51

Whats the good and the bad about 0.177 Single Shot, Break Barrel, Cocking, Spring Piston action rifles?

cheap ammo. easy to shoot. not much power, but i can still get a rabbit to learn who is boss with one:2thumbsup

EJK

7th February 2009, 10:37

Cool! Now I'm on my way to a local hunting shop.

It's only a matter of how the seller can persuade me. :niceone: Wont be getting an actual "firearm" but still I could hunt some small games with my friends here in Christchurch :D

ducatilover

7th February 2009, 14:09

if you want an air rifle a gamo cfx will do ok. i used to have one that was re-sprung and it took magpies and if you were extremly lucky a possum. cheap and nice!

EJK

7th February 2009, 15:05

Got it!
It's a 0.177 Gamo Shadown 1000. I looked many in that price range but the guy at the shop said go for the brand that's well known. So he recommended me the Gamo. He gave me a good deal on it. Free box of 250 pellets and a free bag. I think it's cool...

It's like having a first cigar. At first you don't smoke it straight away. You hold it up and look at it for a while thinking "wow is this for real?".

Ah, and yes, this is not a toy...

ducatilover

7th February 2009, 15:09

cigars are good! enjoy the little gamo and be safe :yes:

Indiana_Jones

7th February 2009, 18:47

Congrats EJ.

Now we need pics!

Did you get a scope on it,or just gonna use the iron sights?

-Indy

EJK

7th February 2009, 18:51

Congrats EJ.

Now we need pics!

Did you get a scope on it,or just gonna use the iron sights?

-Indy

Thank! Since I'm a beginner and all, the guy recommended not to get a scope just yet. Well I agree, last night Scott (RM) told me that the most kills would be under 50 meters for the 1000fps rifles anyways. Sounds reasonable :yes:

Pic comming soon :)

And thanks again for the hints and tips guys. :rockon:

Indiana_Jones

7th February 2009, 18:55

A wise move, learn to use the iron sight first.

True, the kills would be close, just get a 1x or 1.5x scope. Or a laser dot sight.

I take it the rifle has dove-tail grooves to attach scopes etc?

-Indy

pritch

7th February 2009, 19:07

First - Tony Martin, the farmer who shot and killed an intruder. He was convicted of murder by a jury which had the option of manslaughter. Generally juries acquit these sort of cases.

Martin, not a well liked man locally, had been burgled on a number of occasions.
He had stated in public that if he caught the burglers he'd shoot them.

He did and he did. The guy died.

Martin's main problem was his public statement of his intentions.

I'm pleased to hear he's out. Last I heard he was being sued by the mother of the guy he shot for loss of income. The guy was unemployed his income was entirely the proceeds of crime.

Last time I saw the figures there had been a big increase in gun crime in Britain, I don't think there's any question about that. The "yardies" have got lots of guns and they tend to be somewhat indiscriminate in their use.

The Pastor

7th February 2009, 19:09

scopes on air rifles arnt good because they have alot of recoil which can easily knock them out of sight.

Indiana_Jones

7th February 2009, 20:00

scopes on air rifles arnt good because they have alot of recoil which can easily knock them out of sight.

this is also true

-Indy

EJK

7th February 2009, 20:05

OK this is shit. I just got told off by my neighbour for hitting his garage. I guess it's powerful enough to penetrate wooden fences...

Once again, this is NOT a bb gun...

Indiana_Jones

7th February 2009, 20:08

OK this is shit. I just got told off by my neighbour for hitting his garage. I guess it's powerful enough to penetrate wooden fences...

Once again, this is NOT a bb gun...

lol :clap:

Got any loose wood lying about? put it up in layers etc.

Before you know it you'll be getting your first bolt action .22 :niceone:

-Indy

EJK

7th February 2009, 20:13

lol :clap:

Got any loose wood lying about? put it up in layers etc.

Before you know it you'll be getting your first bolt action .22 :niceone:

-Indy

At the moment I'm feeling quite shit aye lol Well he knows I won't do it again thats for sure. (Hes got a big cat too so I understand. Feeling sorry badly...)

Guess I will have to find another practicing ground :sweatdrop

Edit: Yep, I will use my garage. It's got brick walls so that'll do :yes:

Indiana_Jones

7th February 2009, 20:44

Yea use the garage, good idea. get some heavy work blankets etc to pin up on the wall to take some of the gunt out of the pellets to help protect the wall.

-Indy

Swoop

7th February 2009, 22:37

Well, I decided to go and visit the Auckland War Memorial Museum to day. Certainly had not been there in many a year.

The "Scars on the Heart" exhibition is a recommended visit.

The photo is of an original Charlton machinegun, one of only five in existance.
This is significant since it converted a bolt action .303 rifle into something with a much quicker rate of fire! (A kiwi invention.)

An interesting day. Nice to see some of my rates being spent here.

Indiana_Jones

8th February 2009, 10:46

The Auckland Museum is great, full of heaps of interesting stuff as far as firearms and war goes.

Thanks for the pics :)

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

8th February 2009, 10:47

Set us up a social group if anyone is keen

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/group.php?groupid=89

-Indy

The Pastor

8th February 2009, 10:47

ej, when are you back in auckland? give me a PM and i'll take out to shoot some real guns!

ducatilover

8th February 2009, 10:52

real guns? you have a punt gun? hehe

The Pastor

8th February 2009, 10:56

real guns? you have a punt gun? hehe
i have a really big gun.

and also a couple of rifles and shotguns ;)

ducatilover

8th February 2009, 10:57

pray tell me more!

sAsLEX

8th February 2009, 11:59

Indiana_Jones

8th February 2009, 12:05

Spent the morning at the range, god damn rich bastards in their boats meant we couldn't use the longer ranges.

.308 is putting groups through one hole

and the 38-40 was out grouping the $12k mssa next to me!

Sweet as mate :D

I wouldn't mind a 'new' tack driver, Savage 10FP with the Choate would be my 1st choice.

But I'd rather buy 5+ older/surplus rifles for the same amount :sunny:

-Indy

EJK

8th February 2009, 15:53

Set us up a social group if anyone is keen

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/group.php?groupid=89

-Indy

Sweet thats very cool. About time I say!

ej, when are you back in auckland? give me a PM and i'll take out to shoot some real guns!

Sure. I don't think I will be back within a couple of years but I may visit Auck sometime. I'll let you know.

i have a really big gun.

You do know that I'm not gay :oi-grr:

Swoop

8th February 2009, 16:10

Spent the morning at the range, god damn rich bastards in their boats meant we couldn't use the longer ranges.
Were you on the 300m??

sAsLEX

8th February 2009, 20:30

Were you on the 300m??

Just the 100m

Mr Merde

9th February 2009, 08:26

Spent the morning at the range, god damn rich bastards in their boats meant we couldn't use the longer ranges.

.308 is putting groups through one hole

and the 38-40 was out grouping the $12k mssa next to me!

I was very impressed with the 38-40 when you showed it to me. I am not supprised it groups very well. What distance were you using it at.

Chris

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 10:22

i have a friend with a savage 12g and he tells me its extremely rare, i dont know anything about them so could somebody please tell me? im pretty sure its side by side but im not 100% :niceone:

i took one of those magtec .22 semis for a whirl last night, i wasnt too impressed. the action wasnt to great and the dude was using fioche [spelling?] rounds in it. and too my understanding they are an american round, which really helped with it jamming every 3-4 rounds grrr or it was just a piece of shit :bleh:

Crasherfromwayback

9th February 2009, 10:33

And skeet launcher I'm about to part with if anyones interested? Think I've still got a box of clays lying round too.

PM me if you're interested.

Pete

Mr Merde

9th February 2009, 11:27

Indiana_Jones

9th February 2009, 11:39

Added the arms fair date into the social group calendar

-Indy

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 12:13

A picture of the shotgun would help. Savage has been around for a long time.

Any markings on the shotgun as to model number etc.

i can try ask him to let me look at it. but its an heirloom and doesnt like people looking at it. :shutup:

Indiana_Jones

9th February 2009, 12:21

i can try ask him to let me look at it. but its an heirloom and doesnt like people looking at it. :shutup:

That doesn't make too much sense to me lol, I could understand if he wasn't keen on people touching it.

Remember kids, look with your eyes, not your hands. :clap:

-Indy

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 12:26

That doesn't make too much sense to me lol, I could understand if he wasn't keen on people touching it.

Remember kids, look with your eyes, not your hands. :clap:

-Indy
yeah hes quite sentimental.
speaking of looking with your hands i got to play with a brown bess:woohoo:

Indiana_Jones

9th February 2009, 12:34

I'm just to have the pleasure of using a muzzle loader yet, but I'm sure Chris or Wolf will let me give one a go sometime, perhaps when the range is opened :)

-Indy

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 12:38

i havent used one yet but i have played with a few. most of them were too valuable for me to shoot [so i am told]
:innocent:

Mr Merde

9th February 2009, 14:11

i havent used one yet but i have played with a few. most of them were too valuable for me to shoot [so i am told]
:innocent:

No such thing.

Firearms were made to be shot.

About 1994 (approx) a firearm valued at US$1,000,000 was discovered.

Background is the pistol trials of 1905 in the US. The govt was looking for a replacement to the revolver they had been using.

George Luger submitted 3 prototype pistols. 2 were tested to destruction and one kept. Luger didnt get the contract, the Colt1911 did.

This luger was chambered for .45 calibre.

Back to the story. The pistol was resurected and it was decided that it should be fired again. They shot a large number of targets off. Marked, dated and witnessed the targets and sold them. The pistol is now in a museum.

A 1 million dollar pistol, 90 years old was fired.

The only firearms that shouldnt be fired (if you are a collector) are those that have never been fired.

In the 1980's I was allowed to fire an original 15th century matchlock. 500 years old and still going strong.

If the firearm iss safe then there is no reason why it cant be used.

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 14:53

No such thing.

Firearms were made to be shot.

About 1994 (approx) a firearm valued at US$1,000,000 was discovered.

Background is the pistol trials of 1905 in the US. The govt was looking for a replacement to the revolver they had been using.

George Luger submitted 3 prototype pistols. 2 were tested to destruction and one kept. Luger didnt get the contract, the Colt1911 did.

This luger was chambered for .45 calibre.

Back to the story. The pistol was resurected and it was decided that it should be fired again. They shot a large number of targets off. Marked, dated and witnessed the targets and sold them. The pistol is now in a museum.

A 1 million dollar pistol, 90 years old was fired.

The only firearms that shouldnt be fired (if you are a collector) are those that have never been fired.

In the 1980's I was allowed to fire an original 15th century matchlock. 500 years old and still going strong.

If the firearm iss safe then there is no reason why it cant be used.
maybe the guys just a knob:nono:

Mr Merde

9th February 2009, 15:12

maybe the guys just a knob:nono:

Best reply i have heard or seen in a long while.

rep been sent.

I bow to your supperior knowledge with respect to this so called "knob" and i reserve the right to concur with you regarding his "knobiness"

Chris

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 15:46

haha seemed like quite a good description to me. :clap:

scumdog

9th February 2009, 16:00

From left field....

Did you know that if you made a pistol/restricted weapon/MSSA (or converted a Cat.A to MSSA) that you are meant to surrender a weapon of similar description and of equal capability??? Even if you hold a Cat E etc type of licence.

"To keep the numbers down" in a nutshell.

Indiana_Jones

9th February 2009, 16:21

ducatilover

9th February 2009, 16:24

that is stupid:stupid:

Indiana_Jones

9th February 2009, 17:11

Just been having a read here http://www.homegunsmith.com/

Very interesting :D

-Indy

Mr Merde

10th February 2009, 07:28

Indiana_Jones

10th February 2009, 08:22

SSK?

-Indy

Mr Merde

10th February 2009, 08:52

SSK?

-Indy

Those Russian things

Indiana_Jones

10th February 2009, 09:21

Those Russian things

you mean the SKS?

-Indy

HenryDorsetCase

10th February 2009, 09:49

Does anyone know where I can get some lead or steel shot in small quantity? I want to try filling my handlebar with it to try and change the vibration/resonance frequency. (something I read on the interwebs somewhere....)

It might not work so I dont want to buy a whole box of lead shot, as I only need a few shells worth.... Payment in beers?! Cheers

The Pastor

10th February 2009, 12:15

buy a box of 25 shells? cost like $7?

Indiana_Jones

10th February 2009, 17:44

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Rifles/auction-202289358.htm

potential for a project there

-Indy

HenryDorsetCase

10th February 2009, 21:53

buy a box of 25 shells? cost like $7?

Ive never gotten a firearms licence so can I buy ammo? I didnt think I could (but I am too lazy to look it up... (think of the fun I can have with the charges come Guy Fawkes day!)

The Pastor

10th February 2009, 21:55

Ive never gotten a firearms licence so can I buy ammo? I didnt think I could (but I am too lazy to look it up... (think of the fun I can have with the charges come Guy Fawkes day!)
nah you cant with out a licence,

Swoop

11th February 2009, 11:23

Ive never gotten a firearms licence so can I buy ammo?
No.
You can, however, purchase a press, reloading dies in the calibre desired, cases, primers, powder and projectiles, then proceed to produce your own.

Indiana_Jones

11th February 2009, 11:33

more then one way to cook an egg lol

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

11th February 2009, 21:46

Mr Merde

11th February 2009, 22:13

The video was filmed at Carterton about 5 years ago.

Recognised the fake building in the background.

Stage 1 of the Trails End cowboy action shoot held every March.

Heard from those who were there that this vgun was very prone to jamming.

ManDownUnder

13th February 2009, 14:27

No.
You can, however, purchase a press, reloading dies in the calibre desired, cases, primers, powder and projectiles, then proceed to produce your own.

And as soon as the projectile enters the case the law is broken under the little issue of possession. You're quite quite, and I am being totally anal about it but that's the way it is

Wolf

13th February 2009, 14:32

And as soon as the projectile enters the case the law is broken under the little issue of possession. You're quite quite, and I am being totally anal about it but that's the way it is
And if you have a bullet mould and a supply of black powder, no cartridges?

Does that mean you're only breaking the law if you stuff same down a steel tube fitted with a fuse/match/wheel/flint/percussion lock?

ManDownUnder

13th February 2009, 14:39

And if you have a bullet mould and a supply of black powder, no cartridges?

Does that mean you're only breaking the law if you stuff same down a steel tube fitted with a fuse/match/wheel/flint/percussion lock?

Soon as anything becomes either a firearm or a bullet you need a license.

I've long since though it's daft that anyone off the street can buy powder from any gun shop in town - in my mind that's the dangerous bit - maybe they should limit access to primers too

Mr Merde

13th February 2009, 15:03

You dont know how relaxed it is over here.

In the UK black powder is classed as an explosive and requires that the shooter obtains an explosives licence from the home office. There are strict limits on how much they can buy, transport etc.

All shotguns and rifles are individually registered with the police.

Any purchases of firearms have to be on your licence for that calibre. eg if you want a .308 and dont have this specified on your licence then you have to apply for a variation to have it put on your licence. If you have a .308 and want another you have to apply for a variation.

If you have all your calibres filled and you want a new another gun, you need a variation.

If you buy or sell a firearm the police have to be notified by both parties within 7 days of the transaction and the above restrictions also apply.

If you need a rifle for pest control eg foxes , you need to prove to the police good cause. You even have to get their permission to shoot on your own land. A friend of mine reqested permission for a rifle licence to control foxes. He was told by the poilice he could only shoot in a northerly or southerly direction. Any other direction would result in procesution.

There are limits to the ammount of ammo you can hold at any one time and how much you can opurchase at any one time. I was resticted to holding only 1000 rounds of each calibre firearm I owned and could only buy 500 rounds at any one time. Thats 2 bricks og .22 to hold and only buying 1 brick at a time. (A NZ friend of mine buys his .22 in lots of 20,000 rounds).

Count your blessings. Shooting over here is relatively unhindered. Look after it.

Chris