Snapt wants to set up a motorcyle forum

[ManDownUnder]

Quote from a PM to me today

'I've been talking with the other admin and are wondering if you would be able to go to your kiwibiker.co.nz community and ask them if they feel a motorcyclists forum would be useful?'

Comments?

Please keep this on topic, mods have my full ok to be heavy handed on this one - like they mneeded it... but you know what I mean.

http://www.snapt.co.nz

[crashe]

so who told them about kiwibiker?

Cos now they will know what some of the lads have been up to......
as I suspect that they are now reading KB forums......

[Finn]

so who told them about kiwibiker?

Cos now they will know what some of the lads have been up to......
as I suspect that they are now reading KB forums......

Who cares? They're not an authority, just a bunch of losers with cellphone cameras with nothing better to do. Why don't they channel their boredom caused by leading meaningless lives into something that's actually important like that chap who started the anti CYPS site?

[MSTRS]

Actually, thats not a bad idea....but only if they are told to lay off the heavy handed controls. Site is no better than a poor joke whilst it only allows 'yesmen'

[Blairos]

I certainly dont see the need for a MC forum on that site

[MSTRS]

I certainly dont see the need for a MC forum on that site

Not for flaming (certainly) but don't you think our issues on the roads need to put in front of cagers? They are hardly gonna come here, now, are they?

[terbang]

There already is a mororcycle forum here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/).

[Finn]

I certainly dont see the need for a MC forum on that site

Thank you for your informed feedback Blairos.

[ManDownUnder]

so who told them about kiwibiker?

Cos now they will know what some of the lads have been up to......
as I suspect that they are now reading KB forums......

Me. And yes - they are reading the KB formus - I showed them where they are. I didn't realise our involvement was supposed to be covert - should it be?

I personally think the separate forum for motorcylists is a good thing, a place where motorcycling specific issues can be raised, questions asked or whatever. In the full view of the broader motoring community.

I see that as part of my personal role... anyone wanting to know about motorcycles is welcome to ask, or they're welcome to confront me with anythin gtoo. If I can't justify it to others - why should I believe in it?

[NighthawkNZ]

'I've been talking with the other admin and are wondering if you would be able to go to your kiwibiker.co.nz community and ask them if they feel a motorcyclists forum would be useful?'

Comments?


I thought thats what KiwiBiker was all about and for???? :scratch:

[Ixion]

Given that their almost certain response to anything motorcycle related would be hostile, I don't see the point of it. So what they are saying is they want a special section for people to dob in motorcyclists doing stuff they (the dobbers) don't approve of. That helps bikers, how ?

[apteryx_haasti]

Given that their almost certain response to anything motorcycle related would be hostile, I don't see the point of it. So what they are saying is they want a special section for people to dob in motorcyclists doing stuff they (the dobbers) don't approve of. That helps bikers, how ?


My thoughts exactly, Ixion. I have looked at the Snapt website and was largely unimpressed. Surely they have better things to be doing - and I'm sure that pics of motorbikes doing "illegal" things will be posted, even if what the biker is doing is not illegal but simply something that pisses off the cagers. I won't be visiting that website again whether or not it has a motorcycle forum.

Also - aren't there privacy issues involved here? It looks like they do a partial deletion of the numberplate (for example, one pic was of a cream coloured convertible VW with the middle letters of the plate deleted), but a distinctive car or bike can still be identified by someone who knows it with just the first and last letters/numbers of the number plate...

[Ixion]

We can't stop them setting up a "Dob in a biker" section if they decide to (well, if they REALLY piss us off we probably can, there's some fairly high power IT talent here). But I certainly don't see that we should be fool enough to give it some sort of "KB Seal of Approval". How masochistic do they think we are ?

[-df-]

had a look at there site, saw a thread on lane splitting on motorway and traffic lights...OMG...


Apart from anything else when a motorcycle rides past at the lights it gives most car drivers a hell of a fright. I was sitting at the lights this morning, stereo on low and talking to my girlfriend on my cellphone and all of a sudden chug-chug-chug next to my window. I almost dropped my coffee and could easily have taken my foot off the brake in surprise and hit the car in front.

thats the type of person I hope I never meet on the road (even though they are everywhere)

[Coyote]

thats the type of person I hope I never meet on the road (even though they are everywhere)
Phone in one hand, coffee in the other, whilst braking.... I don't see your point

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Just had a look at it.
It is a no win shit fight.

A place to spend too much time. The cage drivers will never get it. We will never get it.

Just the way it is. Not for me. just split your lanes and do your thing and remember we don't have to change the world. Just keep riding. Nice comments from some of our KBers I see.

[Donor]

Why don't they just plonk a link to KB on the site, so the masses can come here and be informed in a more nurturing and informed environment?

[-df-]

Phone in one hand, coffee in the other, whilst braking.... I don't see your point

I presume thats sarcasim?

if not...thats also the type of person that then goes from the lights with both hands off the wheel without looking 'cause they are to busy having phone sex with the GF.

[KATWYN]

, coffee in the other, whilst braking....

Its not the driver in front that slams their brakes on that'll be
writhing in pain......

[Coyote]

I presume thats sarcasim?

if not...thats also the type of person that then goes from the lights with both hands off the wheel without looking 'cause they are to busy having phone sex with the GF.
Sarcasm FTW

And seriously? What is this world coming too...

[-df-]

Sarcasm FTW

And seriously? What is this world coming too...

I want a sarcasim smily damit!!!!

[boomer]

What a load of old bollox, would be vigilantis with nothing better to do with there time. tell them to send there pxt's, txt's or voice calls to 777. Muppets

[zeocen]

had a look at there site, saw a thread on lane splitting on motorway and traffic lights...OMG..

That is... unbelievable. I personally wouldn't see a point for a motorbike section .."hey that guy has a loud exhaust so I can hear him! He's lanesplitting and making one less vehicle congested in traffic! The nerve! *sips coffee and talks on cellphone*"

A lot of those photos look like they've come from cellphones themselves, way to whip out your cellphone and take a picture while you're driving!


Maybe if they set better examples themselves, _maybe_.

[GIXser]

We can't stop them setting up a "Dob in a biker" section if they decide to (well, if they REALLY piss us off we probably can, there's some fairly high power IT talent here). But I certainly don't see that we should be fool enough to give it some sort of "KB Seal of Approval". How masochistic do they think we are ?


we can just hijack their forum,, if we get enough people, we'll flood it with useless shit, and the'll just shut it down,
look at a picure of one of the admin" looks like a fucking hippie with his fucken dreadlocks, he's probably in our government.
fuck i hate treehugging snitching" losers,, (you excluded dover..!)

[Hitcher]

Snapt cannot be taken seriously. It is an affront to civil liberties and to our justice system. It is excessively moderated/censored by a bunch of self-righteous leftie university student members of rent-a-cause who just carve out anything they disagree with. And as for ****ing out words like asian and bimbo, fucking go figure.

I hope they choke on their lack of bandwidth.

[u4ea]

unbeleivable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this whole thread is just a pisstake at cagedriveres who will never grasp the concepts of motorcycling!!!!
A NARK website...................FFS

[Donor]

Wow, yet another "bag Snapd" thread.

Quick someone, PD it!

[Coyote]

Snapt cannot be taken seriously. It is an affront to civil liberties and to our justice system. It is excessively moderated/censored by a bunch of self-righteous leftie university student members of rent-a-cause who just carve out anything they disagree with. And as for ****ing out words like asian and bimbo, fucking go figure.

I hope they choke on their lack of bandwidth.
My original thread of "parking on top of children" was obviously just being silly, but it was ridiculous that one of the mods deleted it since they disagreed with it. The thing is in the first post starting the thread had asked for opinions for or against the idea. If she was against the idea she should have made a post saying she disagreed. The moderator abused her power to favor her opinion

[twinkle]

so who was it that got banned? :rofl:

[Ixion]

Just about everybody. I think Mr Hitcher managed to stay under the radar but he was about the only one. I think Mr Sniper got banned three times under three monikers.

[lb99]

if you look carefully, theres still some swears I snuck on there :yes:

[Calo]

Much of what they'd "snap" bikers doing is perfectly legal, like riding in [non-motorway] bus lanes (I had to set my own mother straight on this - she thought bikers were just being 'cheeky') or riding around the barrier arm to park one's bike for free at various parking buldings/open air car parks. :rolleyes:

[Deviant Esq]

I don't see what "motorcyclists doing illegal stuff" has to do with Kiwi Biker. It's not like every single motorbike rider on the road is affiliated with KB, nor would we want some of them to be. There are plenty of idiots who ride bikes outside the KB banner - I wouldn't want KB copping slander just because any old biker does something stupid in front of said coffee sipping cellphone talking makeup doing radio adjusting all whilst braking cager. Fuck that.

Not like this KB bunch - we're exemplery, above reproach, model citizens...

My point is, noone can tell who's a KB member (i.e. better than them :innocent: ) and who isn't, but since KB's the main recognised M/C forum... you know what I mean.

[Quartermile]

PRICKS

They're the sort of jumped up fags that will end up in the police force just for the power incentive, who do they think they are trying to take the law into their own hands, soon the police will try to use this rubbish for evedence.

They may not know that all of us are KB's but I intend to puchase one of those little patch's for my leather's soon and would hate to get :sick: "snapt":sick: for the site!!!!!

[terbang]

Bloody sandal wearers deleted a bunch of my posts. Jeez what do they do for kicks, sit around drinking chamomile tea?

[Pixie]

What's Snapt?, das kleine Krokodil?

[Disco Dan]

Not worth crying over...

"the multiquote masters" will return!! :innocent:

[Pixie]

We can't stop them setting up a "Dob in a biker" section if they decide to (well, if they REALLY piss us off we probably can, there's some fairly high power IT talent here). But I certainly don't see that we should be fool enough to give it some sort of "KB Seal of Approval". How masochistic do they think we are ?

Flood the site with our own pics of bikers doing naughty things.
Like nose-picking at 140 km/hr

[James Deuce]

They can stick their righteous attitude, and other citizens dobbing you in scheme, right up their bum.

[Pixie]

My original thread of "parking on top of children" was obviously just being silly, but it was ridiculous that one of the mods deleted it since they disagreed with it. The thing is in the first post starting the thread had asked for opinions for or against the idea. If she was against the idea she should have made a post saying she disagreed. The moderator abused her power to favor her opinion
Where the hell do YOU think you are?
In a free country or something?
Bloody Tories!

[Jantar]

Just about everybody. I think Mr Hitcher managed to stay under the radar but he was about the only one. I think Mr Sniper got banned three times under three monikers.
Something is strange about that site, I've managed to register, but for some reason I can't reply to posts or to start new threads. Do they know who are motorcyclists right from the start?

[boomer]

its so funny it's almost annoying; What a bunch of arse

[boomer]

Something is strange about that site, I've managed to register, but for some reason I can't reply to posts or to start new threads. Do they know who are motorcyclists right from the start?

Same, but after reading some of the posts/threads it's prbably best not to get involved; let them implode on there own. Bunch of arse

[Lou Girardin]

More interfering, nanny state fascists.
FUCK OFF!

[What?]

Lou - stop beating around the bush and just say what you mean! :whistle:

But yeah, proof that internet + masturbation does not necessarily equal porn sites.

[The Stranger]

had a look at there site, saw a thread on lane splitting on motorway and traffic lights...OMG...



thats the type of person I hope I never meet on the road (even though they are everywhere)

Surely it would be more constructive to point ot that this is a legal action and that they should be paying attention not driving whilst distracted.

[-df-]

proof that internet + masturbation does not necessarily equal porn sites.

HAHAHAHAHA (in the best Comic book guy from simpsons) "Best quote ever". Mind if I put that in my sig?

[Sniper]

Tell them to take a hike, we already have a motorcycle forum thats well run and allows freedom of speech and toyful abuse

[McJim]

Quote from a PM to me today

'I've been talking with the other admin and are wondering if you would be able to go to your kiwibiker.co.nz community and ask them if they feel a motorcyclists forum would be useful?'

Comments?

Please keep this on topic, mods have my full ok to be heavy handed on this one - like they mneeded it... but you know what I mean.

http://www.snapt.co.nz

I think it would be useful to have such a forum that highlights:

1/ It is Legal for motorcyclists to Lane split.
2/ It is Legal for motorcyclists to use Bus Lanes (where not marked wclusively for buses).
3/ It is legal in many car parks for bikes to park for free.

We can rant and rave about this in KB but lets face it - no motorists come here so carry on oblivious thinking we're breaking the law.

They need to be taught that our choice of transport and our behaviour actually reduces pollution and congestion.

We could also talk about the things that REALLY piss us off. i.e. cellphones, makeup, cappuccino, driving with yer knees, failure to use mirrors (y'know "I didn't see you." - "S'coz you didn't farken look!") It might be a wake up call to them form one of the most vulnerable groups of road users.

I don't think they are necessarily looking to dob in motorcyclists.

If you read their blurb it's basically a couple of women, one of whom lost a child in a vehicular accident. They want morons off the roads as much as we do.

I just think there's an opportunity to educate that could be missed here.

[Sniper]

McJim, from what Ive experienced you can tell them till you are blue in the face what motorcycles can and cant do, but they wont listen. Many of them have a holier than thou attitude.

[McJim]

McJim, from what Ive experienced you can tell them till you are blue in the face what motorcycles can and cant do, but they wont listen. Many of them have a holier than thou attitude.

As do a lot of motorcyclists!

I think it's a kiwi thing - there seems to be a need here to create "them and us" situations - very confrontational - (maybe that's why the politics here are about who shagged who and ancient history instead of the improvement of New Zealand!) a lot of KB members went on their site with the intention of having a flame fest and that's what happened.

But I like your attitude Sniper - "It probably won't work so lets not try" Really progressive thinking :rofl:

[MisterD]

Perhaps if they did set up a "Dob in a Biker" forum, it would give a better place for the safety nazis on here to post their "Oh my god, I saw a biker wearing shorts!" stuff.....and snapt photos of a Harley rider not waving to me:dodge:

[judecatmad]

had a look at there site, saw a thread on lane splitting on motorway and traffic lights...OMG...


Apart from anything else when a motorcycle rides past at the lights it gives most car drivers a hell of a fright. I was sitting at the lights this morning, stereo on low and talking to my girlfriend on my cellphone and all of a sudden chug-chug-chug next to my window. I almost dropped my coffee and could easily have taken my foot off the brake in surprise and hit the car in front.


thats the type of person I hope I never meet on the road (even though they are everywhere)

LOL, that's such a funny quote you picked up there!!! :rofl:

Stereo, cellphone AND coffee, and blissfully unaware of surroundings - love it! So typical of the sorts that seem to be popping up on that site.

It really does seem that snapt is mostly visited/inhabited by those with incredibly poor driving skills who are looking to deflect attention away from their own incompetence at every opportunity (valid or otherwise).

Whilst I think MDU's intentions regarding snapt are honourable (let's face it, not many non-bikers are going to visit KB, and the wider community DOES need educating about bikes, definitely), I don't think that snapt attracts the sort of people who are truly open to education.

Ten out of 10 for intent MDU, but I wouldn't think a bikes forum on snapt would do anything other than encourage a rush of 'OMG, did you SEE what this bike did today' posts.

[Sniper]

But I like your attitude Sniper - "It probably won't work so lets not try" Really progressive thinking :rofl:

Bloody young whipper snapper. You deserve a good strapping with a belt.

[McJim]

If they wanted a "Dob in a biker" forum they would create it themselves.

They've asked MDU therefore they are inviting us to create a "Motorist dobbed in by a motorcyclist" Forum.

That's why I quoted the start of the thread and not some of the misinformed shite that followed!

I'm thinking I could set up the cam on my bike and use it for my daily commute. I could post all the instances of dangerous and illegal driving I witness every day.

I think wrong end of the stick has been got here.

[Coyote]

Where the hell do YOU think you are?
In a free country or something?
Bloody Tories!
Oh, sorry

Tax the poor. Subsidise costs for the rich. Plutocracy rules!

[BarryG]

This is an eye opener! First I've heard of something like this - I thought it would have been developed in the good ol' US of A (maybe it was, or the Poms, looks a bit like something they'd come up with).
There are some saddos about, that's for sure.
Words fail me...............

Cheers
Barry

[James Deuce]

I think wrong end of the stick has been got here.
No it hasn't McJim. Read the site extensively and you'll see it is about dobbing in other drivers who don't "drive just like me".

It's a horrible idea that needs active intervention from civil liberties groups - but unfortunately it isn't Gays or Somalians being singled out, so the Civil Liberties groups won't even bother.

You're in NZ now. Attitudes to driving solidify into rubbish about it being a "right" to drive at about age 17.

[Sniper]

Just about everybody. I think Mr Hitcher managed to stay under the radar but he was about the only one. I think Mr Sniper got banned three times under three monikers.

Only twice banned, I do have a third alias I havent posted under as of yet. They must be checking IP's

[Burger]

Hv U Bn Snapt ;)?

I like it when a website advertises the fact that it's after the 15 year old retard demographic.

Wastes less of my time.

[James Deuce]

Surely it would be more constructive to point ot that this is a legal action and that they should be paying attention not driving whilst distracted.

You might convince one person. "Illegal" for people who set up sites like Snapt tends to mean anything they think should be illegal. Waste of energy.

[ManDownUnder]

I agree the dob in a driver thing is a bit off the mark. But each to their own. It's been started with good intentions, and with some refinement I think it has potential.

The real benefit for us (Motorcyclists) is the opportunity to interact with other motoring groups in the discussion forums. There's already been some pretty lively debate about those things we're all too familiar with but this time we actually do have a voice that is being put to driviers on more than two wheels.

There was one guy in there saying spiltting is dangerous and it's his duty to stop it so he moves over to block bikes. Got a response from another guy, ex driving instruction cop from the UK who basically read him chapter and verse on why he needed to find a mirror, the risks he was actually posing to all etc.

I think we need a voice in there. If we don't have one we have a site where we are simply not represented and I think that's a losing proposition.

As for not being able to get through to people on various points. There are ways and means. BBQs are one, as are a vast array of other social events. Just as happens here on KB. Hell I was wondering about McJim's sexuality till I met him last night... I mean anyone the puts on a dress to pull the birds...

But I digress.

We need to be in the forums. The photo side of things isn't my cup of tea, but... c'est la vie.

[Coyote]

I'll have to get my brother to lie underneath the bike so I can get a photo

[ManDownUnder]

had a look at there site, saw a thread on lane splitting on motorway and traffic lights...OMG...



thats the type of person I hope I never meet on the road (even though they are everywhere)

I hear what you're saying, but my point is this... is there anything we (motorcyclists) can learn from it?

Can we do anything different?

Maybe we should lobby for an awareness campaign... highlighting the fact that passing parked cars actually is legal. Teach cars how to deal with it...

[vifferman]

Perhaps if they did set up a "Dob in a Biker" forum, it would give a better place for the safety nazis on here to post their "Oh my god, I saw a biker wearing shorts!" stuff.....and snapt photos of a Harley rider not waving to me:dodge:
I think *I* will set up a "Dob in a Biker" forum.
Blardy good idea - I'm glad I thought of it. :done:

[Motu]

Perhaps if they did set up a "Dob in a Biker" forum, it would give a better place for the safety nazis on here to post their "Oh my god, I saw a biker wearing shorts!" stuff.....and snapt photos of a Harley rider not waving to me:dodge:

I think we might see a mass exodus of members from KB,seems like just the place for waving threads and rants about someone seen wearing an open face helmet.

[James Deuce]

MDU, I hate to say it, but you're wasting your time. The UK driving instructor is right, but the Kiwi bloke he's lecturing will dismiss him for being both a whining Pom and a driving instructor and continue to block bikers.

We've also just been the beneficiaries of a 24 month ACC awareness campaign that was supposed to highlight pushies and motorcycles to the "general public". Yeah I wasn't aware of that either.

It's pointless trying to change driver's attitudes. The attitude has to be built from the ground up, at the inception of driver training. I've always thought that breaking the Road Code in volumes for specific vehicles was daft, because it removes awareness of some of the legalities involved in operating those other vehicle types.

[Flyingpony]

Quote from a PM to me today
That PM was sent to your membership ID on the SnapT forum?
I see a ManDownUnder on there.

Back on topic: See no point and from the few threads read, I don't see the quality factor on that site. We already have two dedicated sites, Kiwibiker and Sportsbike, for us general motorcyclists and that's without including those dedicated to specialist bike brands/models.

[ManDownUnder]

MDU, I hate to say it, but you're wasting your time. The UK driving instructor is right, but the Kiwi bloke he's lecturing will dismiss him for being both a whining Pom and a driving instructor and continue to block bikers.


Let's disagree on that. I see this isn't an overnight fix, but don't see that as a reason to not fix it.

There is a 1:10 ratio rule of thumb for changing a culture... it takes 1 year to change for every 10 years it has existed. Drivers have been in cars for 100 years?

[McJim]

That PM was sent to your membership ID on the SnapT forum?
I see a ManDownUnder on there.

Back on topic: See no point and from the few threads read, I don't see the quality factor on that site. We already have two dedicated sites, Kiwibiker and Sportsbike, for us general motorcyclists and that's without including those dedicated to specialist bike brands/models.

Yes - and isn't it great to see all the cage drivers lining up to read about how they should treat bikers on these 2 websites. :rofl:

We need to be able to moan AT them not about them.

[ManDownUnder]

That PM was sent to your membership ID on the SnapT forum?
I see a ManDownUnder on there.


That's me - yes



Back on topic: See no point and from the few threads read, I don't see the quality factor on that site. We already have two dedicated sites, Kiwibiker and Sportsbike, for us general motorcyclists and that's without including those dedicated to specialist bike brands/models.

These/those forums are great for motorcycle issues... KB is brilliant for all manner of debate and argument. But I see merit in taking some of those discussions to the general motor public as well.

Maybe it's my personal hate for "them" and "us" discussions.

[Ixion]

Yes - and isn't it great to see all the cage drivers lining up to read about how they should treat bikers on these 2 websites. :rofl:

We need to be able to moan AT them not about them.

That might be so. But you are not going to be able to do that on that site , because anything that is said that does not follow their party line : motorcycles are dangerous, should be banned,lane splitting is illegal etc: will be deleted before anyone has a chance to read it.

It is not a site INTENDED for debate it is a propaganda site , intended to allow a self selected group to attack and deride those not in their clique. You won't get anywhere trying to debate anything there.

[Ixion]

That Snapd site has done one thing , though. Its convinced me that we bikers need to toughen up and stop taking shit. I've got out my honking big chain that I used to wear slung round my shoulders, I think it's time to send a few messages.

[James Deuce]

Let's disagree on that. I see this isn't an overnight fix, but don't see that as a reason to not fix it.

There is a 1:10 ratio rule of thumb for changing a culture... it takes 1 year to change for every 10 years it has existed. Drivers have been in cars for 100 years?[/left]

You can't fix what isn't perceived to be broken. As far as the majority is concerned, Motorcyclists need fixing as those things are "dangerous".

As laudable as your aims are, Snapt isn't the place to do it. You need a forum started with an open mind, with open debate as its goal. So nothing Governmental, Quango, Research Group, or Do-Good-Nazi oriented.

[lb99]

From Amanda
Date January 26 2007 10:11:36
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Please could you delete your avatar and upload a new one that is appropriate. There is no debate here, it's offensive and as such is against our guidelines and needs to be deleted.

Thank you
Amanda
Close
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big brother(or sister)

[MSTRS]

big brother(or sister)

Vote please?? Yea right.
What makes me laugh is that sign is in NZ, near the top of the Bombay's. Wonder if Transit and the Local Authority in that area will be asked to remove it??

[Crisis management]

I agree with MDU and McJim in that any education is worthwhile but I doubt that many of us have the inclination (we all have the time, judging by the amount of posting here) to maintain that type of thread.

We all (well most of us) get sick of the repetitious waving threads so how will we cope with responding to inane questions about motorcyclists behaviour?

I make an effort to ride courteously, wave a kids and talk to anyone that has an interest in motorcycling, but I DON'T have time for drivers that try and give me a hard time. I would not tend to respond to critical questions in a thread here.

I suspect, that as we thrive on flaming and a good fight, that many responses to car drivers questions would end in tears, is this really worth pursuing?

If anyone wants to defend motorcyclists I would suggest you do it on snapt rather than here.


:done:

[James Deuce]

If you even try and "defend" motorcyclists or their behaviour your post WILL be deleted. Snapt is not the forum to discuss education of any sort. It is run by people who want you to behave just like them.

[lb99]

Vote please?? Yea right.
What makes me laugh is that sign is in NZ, near the top of the Bombay's. Wonder if Transit and the Local Authority in that area will be asked to remove it??

I cannot believe it

[Finn]

Tell them to take a hike, we already have a motorcycle forum thats well run and allows freedom of speech and toyful abuse

Cool. Can you give me the link?

[lb99]

RE: User Guidelines
Amanda
Administrator




Please note that posting the content of private messages on the forums will be deleted and if repetitive your membership will be reviewed.


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pffttttt so?

[Crisis management]

If you even try and "defend" motorcyclists or their behaviour your post WILL be deleted. Snapt is not the forum to discuss education of any sort. It is run by people who want you to behave just like them.


Given what we just did to them, do you blame them?

They have expressed an interest in having discourse (Ohhh second big word for today), give it to them on their site.

[James Deuce]

Err, pardon? I responded to a question about filtering and my reply was deleted. I merely said it was legal to pass stationary traffic.

They don;t want to hear facts, they want the world changed to their own particular world view, of which motorcycles are not part.

[Krusti]

Regarding first question....Doubt it!

Why can't they join this forum?

Anyway with my dialup speed I have trouble keeping up with one site!

[Quartermile]

Anyway with my dialup speed I have trouble keeping up with one site!


Know the feeling

Why cant they get thier heads out of their asses and realise that there's no point in incouraging us to post on their forums or put one on here, if they aren't going to LISTEN!!!!!!!

[Disco Dan]

They have expressed an interest in having discourse

sounds rude... :drinknsin :drinknsin


....they ask for a forum on motorcyles yet they dont want motorcyclists opinions????

That site just makes me want to fit side elbow pads so i can take out mor mirrors while splitting!! oooohhh the ignorance!!!

[placidfemme]

Personally I don't see too much point in them doing a biker section of the forum... They are pretty closed minded about everything that varies from thier own opinions.

They ban/block bikers because they don't agree with opinions, and yet they leave "350" (whoever the fuck that wankstain is) on the site with his post intact after he openenly stated that he would deliberatley block bikers paths while they split, which as we all know is dangerous and could very easily cause life long injurie as well as death.

By leaving his post on there after deleting others posts shows that they (the admin/mods of that site) CONDONE or AGREE with him. This is unacceptable and downright disgusting given the cause of the site in the first place.

Not only that, but they obviously give drivers yet ANOTHER distraction to stop them from seeing us in the first place because they're too busy playing with thier fucking phones and trying to catch other people breaking the law... just fucking stupid.

I put my 2c on the lane splitting forum and that'll be the last I go on there.

[Crisis management]

Err, pardon? I responded to a question about filtering and my reply was deleted. I merely said it was legal to pass stationary traffic.

They don;t want to hear facts, they want the world changed to their own particular world view, of which motorcycles are not part.


If thats true then you have a point, I tend to agree with you that it's a waste of time but....if someone wants to try and respond to their questions let them do it there not here.

[crashe]

where the hell is the Snapt lane splitting thread?

I cant find it no more......

can someone post up the link that thread.. ta muchly.

[McJim]

Invite them to join up here and see how a REAL forum is run then - they can voice their opinions and not get deleted. And what the hell is wrong with posting a PM on a thread. If someone wants to have a go at someone they should be prepared to do it out in the open not creep about in the background cloaked in anonymity.

I still think it would be good to have discussion somewhere with the motoring public and let them understand our perspective. Many of us drive or have driven cars so we are well aware of their perspective.

It would just seem that Snapt is perhaps not the appropriate place.

[ManDownUnder]

If you even try and "defend" motorcyclists or their behaviour your post WILL be deleted. Snapt is not the forum to discuss education of any sort. It is run by people who want you to behave just like them.



These are the very people that suggested I might want to be a mod on the motorcycling forum. I believe their motives are actually above board, I just don't have time time to be a Mod for them

Their request does tell me they have a genuine interest in getting a genuine perspective however

[Coyote]

We've also just been the beneficiaries of a 24 month ACC awareness campaign that was supposed to highlight pushies and motorcycles to the "general public". Yeah I wasn't aware of that either.

There was the 'Don't burst their bubble' ads on the back of busses, but they only showed kids on bicycles

[Ixion]

They just perceive that you are sufficently pliant not to argue with the party line

After all "Shall I bend over some more ?" is hardly running up the battle flag, is it?

[riffer]

They just perceive that you are sufficently pliant not to argue with the party line

After all "Shall I bend over some more ?" is hardly running up the battle flag, is it?


No - more like running the battle flag up, as it were ... :shutup:

[riffer]

FWIW, they haven't banned me yet, but when their mod finds out I've publicly hassled her for stealing the dollar I think I'll be out PDQ.

[ManDownUnder]

where the hell is the Snapt lane splitting thread?

I cant find it no more......

can someone post up the link that thread.. ta muchly.

it's ear (http://www.snapt.co.nz/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=34&thread_id=156&pid=1717#post_1717)

[crashe]

it's ear (http://www.snapt.co.nz/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=34&thread_id=156&pid=1717#post_1717)

That is NOT a DIRECT link to the actual thread.......

That is a link to the forum's list, which doesnt list what is in each section.......
http://www.snapt.co.nz/forum/index.php#post_1717
I have tried that link before and stil couldnt find it.....
they have hidden it somewhere........:whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

That is NOT a DIRECT link to the actual thread.......

That is a link to the forum's list.

It IS if you have a LOGIN on the SITE

and why are we shouting every second word?

[crashe]

It IS if you have a LOGIN on the SITE

and why are we shouting every second word?

Well thats good and dandy for those logged into their site......

but what about those of us who wish to check out the site......:whistle:

I havent been able to get logged into the site...... they wont let me....:rofl:


COS I FEEL lIke shouting hehehehe been out and mowed the blardy long lawns and Im now deaf from the mower... and no I aint gonna go and mow your paddocks. :whisle:

[ManDownUnder]

Well thats good and dandy for those logged into their site......

go to www.snapt.co.nz (http://www.snapt.co.nz)
Click forums in the menu bar (orange) across top of screen
Click on "Motorcycles and related" most of the way down the list of forums
Click on "Motorcycle Lanesplitting"
Does that work?

[crashe]

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[Finn]

go to www.snapt.co.nz (http://www.snapt.co.nz)
Click forums in the menu bar (orange) across top of screen
Click on "Motorcycles and related" most of the way down the list of forums
Click on "Motorcycle Lanesplitting"
Does that work?

WHERE?

10 CHARACTERS

[ManDownUnder]

WHERE?

10 CHARACTERS

follow me ... to the batcave :chase:

[The Stranger]

go to www.snapt.co.nz (http://www.snapt.co.nz)
Click forums in the menu bar (orange) across top of screen
Click on "Motorcycles and related" most of the way down the list of forums
Click on "Motorcycle Lanesplitting"
Does that work?

No

10 chars

[Finn]

i can't see shit

[ManDownUnder]

i can't see shit

then use a mirror... putting your head up your arse clearly does work... oh... and wash your hair.

Re Crashe and CaN - I think they're having access/permissions problems at the mo - try again later maybe?

Works for me.

[crashe]

then use a mirror... putting your head up your arse clearly does work... oh... and wash your hair.

Re Crashe and CaN - I think they're having access/permissions problems at the mo - try again later maybe?

Works for me.

Well for a PUBLIC forum, the thread should be easily accessible to anyone..... and not hidden.

As there is nothing on that page that states Motorcycle's etc.




See they just keep shutting me out........ :whistle:

[MSTRS]

http://www.snapt.co.nz/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=4&thread_id=149

[ManDownUnder]

Well for a PUBLIC forum, the thread should be easily accessible to anyone..... and not hidden.

As there is nothing on that page that states Motorcycle's etc.




See they just keep shutting me out........ :whistle:

I wouldn't ake it personally... there is a comment on the site (which you can't see of course) from an Admin saying they're having the kind of problem you describe... maybe try again in a day or two...?

[Blairos]

Thank you for your informed feedback Blairos.

Always pleased to do my bit for society Finn :blip:

[Ixion]

Much the same sort of mentality here.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10421016

[jrandom]

How could I possibly have missed this 'Snapt' thing for so long?

I have a new purpose in life.

Ladies and gentlemen, stand aside and watch the master at work.

[Lissa]

I'm waiting Fish!

Hmm funny .. I see a couple of KBers on the site.. riffer being the latest! hehe

[riffer]

How could I possibly have missed this 'Snapt' thing for so long?

I have a new purpose in life.

Ladies and gentlemen, stand aside and watch the master at work.

You've got some catching up to do, young man.
I've warmed them up for you...

[riffer]

I see those scaredy little mods have removed 350's posts. :nono:

[placidfemme]

How could I possibly have missed this 'Snapt' thing for so long?

I have a new purpose in life.

Ladies and gentlemen, stand aside and watch the master at work.

lol about time!

[Quartermile]

How could I possibly have missed this 'Snapt' thing for so long?

I have a new purpose in life.

Ladies and gentlemen, stand aside and watch the master at work.

work.....?
doing what exactly?

[Biff]

I remember the days when KB was a mutual masterbation site, full of anal linguistic freaks who had a hissy fit if you even considered putting a comma in the wrong place. And heaven forbid if someone swore, or posted something which wasn't related to bikes, and 'those' members that hung about in the general chat sections of this site were looked down upon, and being encouraged to fk off elsewhere. Granted some of the same people re still here, but as this site grew these self imposed moderators of modern values and morals became outnumbered, then realised that just because someone has a different view/linguistic ability doesn't make them a Harley rider, I mean bad person.

So what's different on Snapt? Self righteous - yup. Representative of the general public- nope. Slightly anal? - yup. So why not join in and present a balanced view on the site instead of whining about it on here where you wont be heard apart from the people holding your dick.

[MSTRS]

I remember the days when KB was a mutual masterbation site, full of anal linguistic freaks who had a hissy fit if you even considered putting a comma in the wrong place. And heaven forbid if someone swore, or posted something which wasn't related to bikes, and 'those' members that hung about in the general chat sections of this site were looked down upon, and being encouraged to fk off elsewhere. Granted some of the same people re still here, but as this site grew these self imposed moderators of modern values and morals became outnumbered, then realised that just because someone has a different view/linguistic ability doesn't make them a Harley rider, I mean bad person.

So what's different on Snapt? Self righteous - yup. Representative of the general public- nope. Slightly anal? - yup. So why not join in and present a balanced view on the site instead of whining about it on here where you wont be heard apart from the people holding your dick.
Good point - but the difference here was that the 'tossers' were allowed to post their opinion and have it left alone by the mods....

[Phurrball]

FWIW, I think that non-abusive, to-the-point replies to eedyits like 350 on snapt WILL achieve something - if only to make said people realise that motorcyclists are unlikely to take it lying down, and might 'hurt' their precious cage before disappearing in traffic...

Should people like 350 be a little more open-minded (unlikely I know), they might realise WHY motorcyclists take safety threats so seriously...and some true progress might be achieved.

It can't do any harm, can it? (Call me a deluded optimist!:dodge: )

IMHO, a specific motorcyclists' forum will dilute any cross-platform dialogue, by allowing those with closed minds to avoid motorcycling issues (unless seeking to make trouble). I think that motorcycling issues are best addressed as they arise, to ensure maximum exposure.

[Ixion]

work.....?
doing what exactly?

Fishing, of course. Just as our Lord was made a fisher of men, so is Mr Fish made a fisher of fools.

[Ixion]

It can't do any harm, can it? (Call me a deluded optimist!:dodge: )



Certainly. You're a deluded optimist.

And the reason it can do harm, is because opinion and comment contrary to the party line that "motorcycles are dangerous " and " (it) is illegal" , will be deleted before it is seen by anyone.

So you will have a site full of antimotorcycle peopaganda. With a section where motorcyclists comment. And none of their (surviving) comments will in any way contradict the anti-biker line. So , it must be true mustn't it. None of those bikers have been able to contradict it. "Haven't got an answer for that, have they , must be true"

[The Stranger]

I remember the days when KB was a mutual masterbation site, full of anal linguistic freaks who had a hissy fit if you even considered putting a comma in the wrong place. And heaven forbid if someone swore, or posted something which wasn't related to bikes, and 'those' members that hung about in the general chat sections of this site were looked down upon, and being encouraged to fk off elsewhere. Granted some of the same people re still here, but as this site grew these self imposed moderators of modern values and morals became outnumbered, then realised that just because someone has a different view/linguistic ability doesn't make them a Harley rider, I mean bad person.

So what's different on Snapt? Self righteous - yup. Representative of the general public- nope. Slightly anal? - yup. So why not join in and present a balanced view on the site instead of whining about it on here where you wont be heard apart from the people holding your dick.

Eloquent and to the point.
Well said sir.

[Quartermile]

Hahaha
Snapt Users online
Newest member: Spank Me

Nice good to see all getting involved

[James Deuce]

I remember the days when KB was a mutual masterbation site, full of anal linguistic freaks who had a hissy fit if you even considered putting a comma in the wrong place. And heaven forbid if someone swore, or posted something which wasn't related to bikes, and 'those' members that hung about in the general chat sections of this site were looked down upon, and being encouraged to fk off elsewhere. Granted some of the same people re still here, but as this site grew these self imposed moderators of modern values and morals became outnumbered, then realised that just because someone has a different view/linguistic ability doesn't make them a Harley rider, I mean bad person.

So what's different on Snapt? Self righteous - yup. Representative of the general public- nope. Slightly anal? - yup. So why not join in and present a balanced view on the site instead of whining about it on here where you wont be heard apart from the people holding your dick.

Sounds like someone took himself too seriously in the "early" days.

FWIW, I find it highly offensive to be compared to people who have no concept of what constitutes personal privacy, legality, or an ability to leave posts up that may actually be based in fact instead of common wisdom.

I went out for a couple of hours and the account has been deleted, the motorcycle forum shut down, and any evidence of KBers having been there seems to have vanished.

I would not like to be associated with these people in any way. Their National Socialist leanings are reprehensible. I don't care if someone disagrees with me or thinks I'm a dick, so long as they have the integrity to say so in public. Sweeping it under the carpet because you don't agree with someone is just a touch insecure.

[ManDownUnder]

Certainly. You're a deluded optimist.

And the reason it can do harm, is because opinion and comment contrary to the party line that "motorcycles are dangerous " and " (it) is illegal" , will be deleted before it is seen by anyone.

So you will have a site full of antimotorcycle peopaganda. With a section where motorcyclists comment. And none of their (surviving) comments will in any way contradict the anti-biker line. So , it must be true mustn't it. None of those bikers have been able to contradict it. "Haven't got an answer for that, have they , must be true"

Alternately you may be the pessimist as I haven't seen any of my posts moderated or deleted to date...

[Quartermile]

, and any evidence of KBers having been there seems to have vanished.



Except, read above :D

(Is my comma in the right place??)

[Quartermile]

A quote from snapt:

Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.

Mine's on a Y2K so i'm sweet

[Ixion]

Alternately you may be the pessimist as I haven't seen any of my posts moderated or deleted to date...

Have you actually contradicted anything yet?

[ManDownUnder]

Have you actually contradicted anything yet?

I find the opinions of others work so much better for me, the karate thing - use their momentum to show the kind of people they really are...

... if you get my drift...

[Ixion]

That's a "No", then ?

[McJim]

Democratically speaking this thread is pretty much a resounding "NO" then?

So where can we voice our opinions in an effort to re-educate the drivers at large? Thanks to everyone for proving Snapt is not the appropriate forum.

I wonder if I'll get my photo taken on the way home tonight? Better polish my leathers just in case.

[Ixion]

http://www.safeas.govt.nz/smf/ ?

[MSTRS]

I wonder if I'll get my photo taken on the way home tonight? Better polish my leathers just in case.

Don't forget clutchless shifting to free up that 'bird'....

[jrandom]

... Their National Socialist leanings are reprehensible.

Ding ding. Godwin's Law. Move along...

I'll get stuck in on 'Snapt' tomorrow.

[slinky]

they don't need a MC forum.
its a stupid site, i just had a look at it.
some of those photos you could commentate and make up a huge story about what had just happened before you took the photo.
Possibly..ppossibly! it is a good idea. But! its just not gonna work.
Think everyone should sign up and tell them waht retards they are.

[MSTRS]

Ding ding. Godwin's Law. Move along...

I'll get stuck in on 'Snapt' tomorrow.

Good luck, oh misguided one
http://www.safeas.govt.nz/smf/index.php?topic=494.new#new

[klingon]

Ha ha ha it's an EXCELLENT site. Have you all missed their self-mocking irony? This quote is from the Aucklander article they're so proud of featuring in, telling the story of how the site was conceived...


Jan rang me from the Southern Motorway on December 19 and said, 'I'm sick of this' ... and we had the website up that night,'' says Terri.

Ha ha ha ha :rofl: They rang each other on a mobile phone while driving on the motorway to set up a website to complain about other people's unsafe driving. I love them. :love: Will join up immediately :innocent:

[MD]

I checked that site out. What a pack of tossers and poofters. They can't join with us. Remember the Kiwibiker Code, Rules Numbers 3 to 8 excluding rule 5 of course, "NO POOFTERS! " Ok for some they may be more guidelines than a code.
Just imagine the irony when two Snapters crash into each other, while each trying to take a photo of the other person for using a cell phone when driving.
We don't need self-appointed vigilante do-gooders critiquing our ever move.
Who gave them the I'm perfect and can therefore judge others badge?
Lets send them winga.:done:

[Biff]

Sounds like someone took himself too seriously in the "early" days.

Oooooo - pot kettle, bitch.


FWIW, I find it highly offensive to be compared to people who have no concept of what constitutes personal privacy, legality, or an ability to leave posts up that may actually be based in fact instead of common wisdom.

Offensive? Really? Crickey. Don't take yourself to seriously man. Sorry anyway. But only if you really found it offensive, and you're not just saying that because you want me to feel bad or shit. Deal?

Legaility? - They've got that one covered off. Read the thread where someone throws that one at them. There be links too.

Privacy? - You run a red - I'd dob any fker in who runs accross my path, and some. Posting a side on shot of a 4 x 4 going through a red light is hardly likely to bring the downfall of society as we know it. You're far to much of a paranoid Orwelion for me on this one.


any evidence of KBers having been there seems to have vanished.

Look again. The place is crawling with those darned KB biker types.


Please dance for me..

Ok

:wari:

[Ixion]

Legaility? - They've got that one covered off. Read the thread where someone throws that one at them. There be links too.




The photos would not be admissible in court. There are strict rules that must be followed to preserve the chain of authenticity (sometimes even the police forensic folk get it wrong)

And if the the cops can't use it (I'm sure they'll try , mind), then who's going to care a fig about whether their photo is there or not? Do you imagine the guy who runs a red light is going to lose a minutes sleep over it? It's not even as if they're people whose opinion one would care anythng about.

I have plenty of tossers call me rude names all the time. I don't care in the least, and I care even less if said tossers invite other even sadder tossers to a finger pointing fest.

[Mr. Peanut]

Isn't anyone concerned about these people in cars taking photos whilst driving? Seems awfully dangerous to me :angry:

[slinky]

I think the best possible photo that could ever go on that sight if it should ever get taken. - would be a picture of one of those retards taking a photo of someone elses parked car, or 'dangerous driving'

[Quartermile]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Sniper]

KunaKente has been angered by Snapt. He is cross at photomagrfs

his engrish very bad!

BTW, it looks like they have set up the motorcycle forum ...... Whetu?

[ManDownUnder]

KunaKente has been angered by Snapt. He is cross at photomagrfs

his engrish very bad!

BTW, it looks like they have set up the motorcycle forum ...... Whetu?

Got a linky?

[Sniper]

Got a linky?

I shall grab them. Im just posting up a thread. Will PM you as I need a bit of a hand maeking (sorry, making) it authentic

[Sanx]

I joined that nazi site yesterday, and made a whole bunch of comments on a number of photos relating to the driver using his cellphone whilst driving. And today, they're pretty much all gone.

Snapd's new motto: "Democracy the Labour way - yes men only"

[MSTRS]

You have discovered what we all did back in Jan. The site is a crock, yet dangerous in that it encourages the mindless

[Sniper]

http://www.snapt.co.nz/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=28&thread_id=313&pid=3493#post_3493 Please all come welcome me and offer on how to get my license.

Not Hitcher safe (NHS)

Looks like KunaKente has had a thread deleted. He is unhappy

[avgas]

does this mean i have to dress up and get tidy everytime i go for a ride.
Also i wish they gave warning that they are taking pictures....then i can drop my pants.

[avgas]

SNAPT......























..........becuase you are too grumpy to get into SMILECITY, too twisted to post in the MADMAN forums......and too uptight to ride a bike.

[Sniper]

Dammit, make KunaKente feel welcome

[Griff]

some of those photos you could commentate and make up a huge story about what had just happened before you took the photo...

Couldn't see any decent photographs uploaded.
The Galleries don't have anything interesting...
Although it IS very tempting to send spoof photos in though

[MSTRS]

Hey Sniper? How much copper wire you pay? Still there after 2 hours....

[u4ea]

KunaKente has been angered by Snapt. He is cross at photomagrfs

his engrish very bad!

BTW, it looks like they have set up the motorcycle forum ...... Whetu?

lol kunekente has very bad english!!!!so makes for a good driver who cant read road signs.........lmao................love it

[Sniper]

Hey Sniper? How much copper wire you pay? Still there after 2 hours....

I am as surprised as you man..


lol kunekente has very bad english!!!!so makes for a good driver who cant read road signs.........lmao................love it

Not KunaKenet has never said he drove a car, only Pedil bikes

And yet, no one has said anything on the thread either.........

[Delphinus]

Has poor KunaKenet's post been deleted already? He'll have no respect for NZ now!

[Big Dave]

Remember the Kiwibiker Code, Rules Numbers 3 to 8 excluding rule 5 of course, "NO POOFTERS! "


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[Sniper]

http://www.snapt.co.nz/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=28&thread_id=313&pid=3493#post_3493 Please all come welcome me and offer on how to get my license.

Not Hitcher safe (NHS)


Looks like KunaKente has had a thread deleted. He is unhappy

[Brett]

First time I have seen that site, what a bunch of limp wristed gay twats. It is like a little hug group for people who feel that they have been 'violated' on the road. Concept is ok, but in reality the only people who would bother with it are legalistic Helen Clark kissing morons.

Does anyone get the idea that I do not approve?

[Big Dave]

Does anyone get the idea that I do not approve?

Neither do I - I see it as vigilantism in a cuddly e-costume.

[MSTRS]

Does anyone get the idea that I do not approve?

So....log in there and tell them

[Delphinus]

So....log in there and tell them

So we taking bets how long the post lasts before getting binned?

I'll go with 10mins.

[xwhatsit]

First time I have seen that site, what a bunch of limp wristed gay twats. It is like a little hug group for people who feel that they have been 'violated' on the road.?

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>And that differs from KB how...?

J/K:dodge:

[90s]

Just had a look at it.
It is a no win shit fight.

A place to spend too much time. The cage drivers will never get it. We will never get it.

Actually as a cage driver I find that site pretty offensive. Most of the 'incidents' are trivial, or the 'evidence' simply does not support the caption. I have heard that the mods are pretty keen or deleting dissent or opinion but they don't seem to be applying a knowledge of the road code or common sense in allowing pics.


Looks like a clique of useless witch-hunt mentality hypocrites. Did I say santimonious yet?

I vote we keep well away (this is a democracy right? ... )

[Brett]

So....log in there and tell them

When I get a moment I am going to...will be amusing.:yes:

[Brett]

BAHAHAHAHHHA just signed up and have been reeaeding the motorcycle forum. Might hold off the absolute abuse...too much fun to be made of some of those morons in the meantime.

[Hitcher]

You'll get tired of it before they do, if Whetu's experience is anything to go by. And some people think that this site is heavily moderated...

[riffer]

Don't bother with it.

Any post that doesn't fit in with what they have to say will be disappeared...

I'm not interested in any site in which the mods act like Pinochet and Stalin are their heroes.