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James Deuce
27th January 2007, 08:40
There's something to be said for "friendly & accommodating", as opposed to "exclusive & expensive". Tyra Banks for instance is turning into somewhat of a Diva Model (if there is such a thing), and you can see the effort that goes into keeping her looking good, especially in comparison to some of the late teens airheads being thrust into the spotlight on "The Next Supermodel".

Where an object of desire slowly loses its desirability as it ages, collects stone chips and expensive service bills, and even that add on stuff starts to sag a bit, the old girl on "10 Years Younger", can only be improved, plus she has the benefit of being a little bit interesting, having shed those shallow pretensions over the years.

Thus it is with Hyosung's GT650R. This is a sportsbike how they used to be. Sit-in ergonomics, a great engine, suspension that can be fiddled with, and a questionable quality of finish that gathered cred with each scuff instead of depreciation.

I've been lucky enough to play with not one, but two GT650Rs over the last couple of weeks and I reckon they deserve better than the utter contempt that seems to be dished out by people with motorcycles that cost 50-100% more with little in the way of any real world performance benefit.

The first one I got to play with was a bog stock bike with 700kms on the clock. I was surprised to find that I felt no pain from knee or neck joints and the while the riding position is a bit "wristy" it isn't so extreme that it can't be countered with a bit of ab work. It was quiet though, the brakes were as wooden as I'd expected from reading tests in the print media, but it wasn't bad! Kind of like a combination of mid-'90s Suzuki ergos and finish, and a mid-'90s Honda gearbox.

Commuting didn't present any issues, unlike my '04 R6 which caused a diaphragmatic hernia! I know it's age related, but you do get to a point where race ergonomics on the street start to reduce your enjoyment of motorcycling. The GT650R is a sportsbike that "old" (If you regard 41 as old) people can ride and enjoy a day in the saddle without looking for excuses to stop every 80 kms or so. Some of this is down to the adjustable rearsets (why can't the rest of the sportsbike universe be fitted with these as standard - why leave a Korean newcomer to shame you into it, Italy, Japan, and Great Britain?), the cracking seat which is comfy and supportive without being grippy, and the superbly light and positive handling.

What is it with the fixation on wide tyres? The GT650R sports a 160 rear tyre, rather than the de rigeur 180 or 190 rear, and holds a line like a Ducati, while flicking in like a Suzuki. Much of the focus of discussion on Hyosung's flagship has been bound up in comparisons with the Suzuki SV650, but the Hyosung is by far the better handling bike, and with one simple mod has the better engine.

Just like the old days when real bikes had big carbs (like the GT650) and fuel injection was for foppish BMW drivers, an end can makes a whopping difference. The next GT650R I kept for a week had a Scorpion end can, a smoked screen, and braided brake lines all round. This example had the better part of 5000kms on the clock and was a different animal altogether. The end can releases a glorious noise that almost becomes a howl at the top end of the rev range, while the braided lines improve feel and power front and rear, though I wasn't a fan of the amount of travel in the front lever. Speaking of that, how come the the GT250R gets adjustable levers and the 650 doesn't?

The engine characteristics were transformed by the Scorpion can. The stock can leaves the engine a bit breathless, where the Scorpion can turns this into a willing, revvy V-Twin that just gets stronger all the way to redline. The smoked screen fixes the only real complaint I had about the GT650R - the dash. With the stock screen in place there is too much light in the cockpit to be able to read the 90s retro LED dash. Even the analogue tach is hard to read with the reflections. The smoked screen means that the dash can be read in the brightest sunlight.

The Hyosung GT650R is a combination of what you expect from a startup manufacturer. Budget in places, quirky in ways you don't expect, but with a sense of striving to gain market acceptance. Everyone has a Hyosung tale to tell: the mate of a mate who had his gearbox replaced under warranty - Hang on! How is that a bad thing? The quality control issues with paint and fit - what about the nitride coating that flakes off GSXR1000 forks after a couple of years?

I think people are far too tough on Hyosung. Far from being a dog, the GT650R is a bike I could live with for sunny days and forays onto the track. I'd change stuff on it, but then I like to do that. I enjoy owning a bike that I can make my own with a few common sense changes. I've illustrated some of the changes that can be made without going over the top in the attached photos. The paint looks fantastic in a couple of them too. It just needs frequent elbow grease, like all black paint. I think they look great too, and that headlight not only looks good it works really well too.

All in all, Hyosung have probably made the best fist of becoming a manufacturer in their own right since Hinckley Triumph launched their modular concept in the early '90s. Try one before jumping on the criticism bandwagon.

Many thanks to TSS Motorcycles for trusting me with not one, but two GT650Rs.

James Deuce
27th January 2007, 08:41
A couple more photos.

Krusti
27th January 2007, 08:57
I have often wondered how good they were...thanks

Wasp
27th January 2007, 09:54
ok, you've got me - it's on the test ride list

skelstar
27th January 2007, 10:00
A well written writeup as usual Jim2 :niceone:

Crasherfromwayback
27th January 2007, 10:06
I've gotta say Jim.....I've traded and sold quite a few second hand now...and I've yet to have one back for any warranty issues, I think they're fine.
TSS have a good brand there.....

Juud
27th January 2007, 10:11
Great write up Jim2! I fully agree with every single word. Mine (3 weeks old) has got nearly 2000km on the clock and the back brake still feels numb, but other than that it's a great bike. I'm also surprised by its fuel consumption, 24 l/km without trying (touring with the occasional handfuls, haven't done much city work).:2thumbsup

Edit: I've ridden that black one as well, boy, it's loud!

deathstar
27th January 2007, 15:55
bit of a weird question but any idea where they got the tinted screen from? ... mine arrived yesterday and looks exactly like that but visual plastics said they have only ever made mine so far ... just wondering if someone might be doing them cheaper

WarlockNZ
27th January 2007, 18:51
bit of a weird question but any idea where they got the tinted screen from? ... mine arrived yesterday and looks exactly like that but visual plastics said they have only ever made mine so far ... just wondering if someone might be doing them cheaper

I got the screen for my 250 from eagle screens in OZ .. cost about 120 from memory.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=47111&d=1164833403

Have a look at this as well.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51489&d=1169327883

deathstar
27th January 2007, 19:03
wooh warlock that looks a hell of a lot better then mine, mine has the tint but yours looks pitch black which is really what i was after but got back only dark tinted .... and the price would be good ... i work for red baron and so am looking around to see if we might be able to retail the screens for the nice customers ..... will have a word and see what sort of price we might be able to offer

James Deuce
27th March 2007, 15:36
Nice red colour, tinted double bubble screen, and handle bars replacing the clipons = a bloody nippy General Purpose motorcycle. Punctures to follow.

skelstar
27th March 2007, 15:52
Thats my workmate's bike.

Pwalo
27th March 2007, 16:10
Good review Jim. I test rode a GTR before buying the SV. They're a good bike, and quite similar to ride. For a sporty bike they are both surprisingly comfortable.

I agree with you about the rear brake. I also thought that the bike (that I rode anyway) felt a bit flat, as if it needed a bit more rear ride height. The front end felt really good.

Probably their only problem is that they are a new(ish) brand and they compete price wise with the SV. If they were a bit cheaper it would probably help their cause. So saying there's a few around Wellywood.

But I am biased. I prefer the Suzuki, but it's a close run thing.

James Deuce
27th March 2007, 18:56
Actually I meant pictures, but I'm having a Freudian slip day. :)

The mods done to this bike are just perfect in terms of setting up an already good sports bike as a very good sports tourer. Even with the pegs in the lowest position it takes some work to touch even your toes down.

Skel, tell your workmate he's done a lovely job, especially replacing the Distort-O-Vision mirrors with something that works.

skelstar
27th March 2007, 21:28
I will. Poor lad got a bad case of the Ducatis and now owns a GT1000 (or is it a 1000GT?). Its nice anyway.

Storm
27th March 2007, 21:46
You sure you're not going to go into the journo business Jim? :bleh: Thats yet another cracking write up. Keep up the good work

BarBender
27th March 2007, 23:02
Great write up J2.
I enjoyed reading it.

Logan5
3rd April 2007, 20:36
I'm the guy who owns (and is trying to sell :-) the high bar 650R.

Thanks for the kind words Jim2, but I feel honour bound to point out that Hyosung sell a high bar S model overseas and even a fully faired high bar model in Canada. The project started after my first longish ride on the bike which was my first longish ride on a sportsbike. I got a bad case of premature OMD (Old Man Disease) and couldn't ride for a while. TSS did a great job getting the parts and not laughing too loudly.

My next change would have been to take off the adjustable foot peg mounts to bring the pegs forward and try to pack the seat up a cm or so. But, unfortunately for my bank account, I found out that there was a Ducati GT1000 demonstrator in the Hutt and I could go for a test ride ........

Best mid-life crisis I've had so far.

Cheers.

James Deuce
3rd April 2007, 20:58
My next change would have been to take off the adjustable foot peg mounts to bring the pegs forward and try to pack the seat up a cm or so. But, unfortunately for my bank account, I found out that there was a Ducati GT1000 demonstrator in the Hutt and I could go for a test ride ........

Best mid-life crisis I've had so far.

Cheers.

That's exactly what I'd do too - age has its benefits eh? :)

Dodger
4th April 2007, 08:44
Good write up.
Anyone ridden the 650 naked version? Although I hear they are hard to come by these days.

MikeyG
4th April 2007, 13:46
There's something to be said for "friendly & accommodating", as opposed to "exclusive & expensive". Tyra Banks for instance is turning into somewhat of a Diva Model (if there is such a thing), and you can see the effort that goes into keeping her looking good, especially in comparison to some of the late teens airheads being thrust into the spotlight on "The Next Supermodel".

Dude... You watch way too much TV.



I read an article the other day where they took a GT650 and an SV650 and covered them both in cardboard to disguise which was which, then draged in 5 normal (not journos) riders to test them both. 4 of the 5 preferred the SV over the GT for handling.

I'll be test riding them both back to back in the near future so I'll give my opinion then.

Bonez
14th April 2007, 18:02
Dude... You watch way too much TV.



I read an article the other day where they took a GT650 and an SV650 and covered them both in cardboard to disguise which was which, then draged in 5 normal (not journos) riders to test them both. 4 of the 5 preferred the SV over the GT for handling.

I'll be test riding them both back to back in the near future so I'll give my opinion then.Go here and get owners opions for some insight on the hyobags - http://www.korider.com/forum/index.php - some interesting reading.

FFS
27th August 2007, 19:55
I purchased a 2005 GT650 R from TSS motocycles a couple of months ago and have had nothing but good times on it so far. The bike has a cycleworks can on it which give it a great exhaust note. It suffers a bit of backfiring on deceleration, i have read some forums on how to get rid of this, so may have a go at resolving it, although thinking about it, it might be a better idea for me to take it to TSS and get the mechanics to do it.
The Saturday just gone (25th August) I had a great ride over the rimutukas, up to martinborough and then the backroads to masterton. Thanks to Kerry on a buel for showing the way and waiting at the intersections for me to catch up!