Up yours ya arrogant Telecom bast*rds

[kro]

Mr Campbells TV poll just now, just rated Telecoms broadband service a complete dog.

96% of NZer's polled said their service had declined since the "max speed" debacle, a mere 4% said it was better

96% !!!!!!

They cannot argue with this, they cannot say it's "isolated", they cannot push it back on us and say it's something we're doing.

Theresa Gattung declined to appear on camera..........

[Chisanga]

The 4% is probably Telecom employees made to ring up from their call centre to attempt to make the company look good :)

[Drum]

Margin of error +/- 4%.

Incidentally, I have Telstraclear's high speed internet, and am very happy with it.

[Acid]

hahahahahahaha

[Karma]

Urgh... lies, damn lies, and statistics...

The 2006 census of New Zealand shows 4,143,279 residents, can I assume from your post that approximately 3,977,547 people called in against Telecom? Seems like something that might have been noticed earlier...

Or, more logically, could it just be that 96% of the people that called in actually have an issue with Xtra, and that those who don't have an issue couldn't be bothered?

If you go into a shop and buy a coffee and it's just a coffee, you walk off and drink it, if you go in and buy a coffee and it's cold, you go back and complain. Perhaps 1 in 10 people might remark that it was a good coffee. Now if you stood at the counter in that coffee house and remarked on all the people that came up, what would you see?

Can you get where I'm going with this?

[R6_kid]

my DSL has always been kinda shit. It'll go sweet for a day or two at best and then i have apparently 'blown the bandwidth' which is bullshit because i only go to a select few websites (cached images etC) and watch a video or two in that time... hardly the 5gig download cap that we have.

[JimO]

i went "go large" and its sloooooooooooooooooooow but i couldnt be arsed texting 55cents to tv3:yes:

[peanuteater]

have had 3.5 mbs for the last 9 months, has DEFF slowed down on average in the last 3-4 months !!

[Chisanga]

Urgh... lies, damn lies, and statistics...


Or, more logically, could it just be that 96% of the people that called in actually have an issue with Xtra, and that those who don't have an issue couldn't be bothered?


In addition, don't TV3 charge a dollar or something to vote in this poll. Unless you feel VERY strongly I would suggest most people would not be arsed to spend a dollar on a stupid Capbell poll :)

So much more democratic and useful to make them free but then they would probably need another 10 minutes of ads to pay the bills :done:

[James Deuce]

Can you get where I'm going with this?

Nope, because in this case it isn't valid.

Telecom created this issue deliberately to demonstrate how an unregulated environment would look and made NZ Internet users pay to use a substandard Internet feed.

The fact of the matter is that NZ's Telecommunications Infrastructure can't handle an "unlimited" Internet connection for even a small percentage of Internet users. Not only that Telecom had the cheek to sell an inferior product and when people used it as it was advertised, those people were invited to use a more expensive product with apparently lesser capabilities, but in actuality better throughput capacity, but at a much greater cost.

If you sampled every user using this product you would probably end up with 80% dissatisfied/20% satisfied split. It won't be any better than that. Every geek friend of mine who signed up for it has since dumped it and gone elsewhere, and I'm talking geeks with a couple of decades of gaming and PC fiddling behind them.

It's tosh. It doesn't work as advertised and in a lot of cases it has ended up being a downgrade in actual connected speed, both down and up.

[kro]

Can you get where I'm going with this?

Yes, but I have a major issue with Telebum's service, and want to vent.

btw... its 96% of those polled, which would have all been "brodband" users, so these are the target market. 96% of NZ does not have broadband. Tsk tsk.

[Chisanga]

i went "go large" and its sloooooooooooooooooooow but i couldnt be arsed texting 55cents to tv3:yes:

55 cents not $1 like I wrote then ... I was too slow typing my response :)

[NighthawkNZ]

im in the 4%... :)

[Karma]

Telecom created this issue deliberately to demonstrate how an unregulated environment would look and made NZ Internet users pay to use a substandard Internet feed.

The fact of the matter is that NZ's Telecommunications Infrastructure can't handle an "unlimited" Internet connection for even a small percentage of Internet users.

It's been known in this country for some time that the phone network is underdeveloped, reasons being that New Zealand just isn't big enough to generate the sums that need to be put into the network to bring it into line with the rest of the world. When comparing broadband availabilty and speed Helen Clark compares NZ to places such as Korea, USA, UK etc... when in reality with the amount of money to spend on these services perhaps it would be better to compare NZ with some of the medium developed nations such as places in africa of southern america.


Not only that Telecom had the cheek to sell an inferior product and when people used it as it was advertised, those people were invited to use a more expensive product with apparently lesser capabilities, but in actuality better throughput capacity, but at a much greater cost.

If you sampled every user using this product you would probably end up with 80% dissatisfied/20% satisfied split. It won't be any better than that. Every geek friend of mine who signed up for it has since dumped it and gone elsewhere, and I'm talking geeks with a couple of decades of gaming and PC fiddling behind them.

It's tosh. It doesn't work as advertised and in a lot of cases it has ended up being a downgrade in actual connected speed, both down and up.

Whilst it's clear there are issues with the Go Large plan in particular, the root cause has yet to be identified by all accounts, the NZ population I am sure will show their dissatisfaction in ways they always have, by complaining a lot and not doing a whole lot about it.


btw... its 96% of those polled, which would have all been "brodband" users, so these are the target market. 96% of NZ does not have broadband. Tsk tsk.


Yeh, I'll give ya that one ;)

[imdying]

The fact of the matter is that NZ's Telecommunications Infrastructure can't handle an "unlimited" Internet connection for even a small percentage of Internet users.Yep. Telecom knew it. The industry knew it. Hell, even a good percentage of the users knew it. Unleashed was always going to be a fuck up. Easy to blame Telecom seeing as they have 'control' over the system... but don't be too deceived...

Multinationals have had a pretty big arm stirring this pot. They want in. Rather than spending money and winning market share with superior service/product, they've (quite cleverly imho) made Telecom out to be bigger dicks than usual. This is how they're going to get in, and get in they will... but we'll still be getting the same old shit, perhaps marginally better. I wonder if these new players are going to spend up large on the infrastructure we need to even get our current expectations met, or they'll just plunder us for the profit they can whilst generally letting the situation stay the same old crap?

[Donor]

55 cents not $1 like I wrote then ... I was too slow typing my response :)

Typing... riding... *snicker*

[kro]

For me, the piss off is being told to move from my old plan, which in retrospect, was a far superior plan in all facets, only to be landed in the middle of this fiasco.

At least on a 10gb cap, I got most of my line speed most of the time, and I managed the limits of usage. I am no longer in control of any aspect of my connection, and telecom want ME to tell them what the issue is.......um...NO !!!!

[Titanium]

Fark you telescum ...... I am leaving the cuntry ......

Go large .... yeah right!

[boomer]

Urgh... lies, damn lies, and statistics...

The 2006 census of New Zealand shows 4,143,279 residents, can I assume from your post that approximately 3,977,547 people called in against Telecom? Seems like something that might have been noticed earlier...

Or, more logically, could it just be that 96% of the people that called in actually have an issue with Xtra, and that those who don't have an issue couldn't be bothered?

If you go into a shop and buy a coffee and it's just a coffee, you walk off and drink it, if you go in and buy a coffee and it's cold, you go back and complain. Perhaps 1 in 10 people might remark that it was a good coffee. Now if you stood at the counter in that coffee house and remarked on all the people that came up, what would you see?

Can you get where I'm going with this?

NO.. your full of shit and one eyed.

the service ( and i use that term as loosely as i fuckin dare ) is fukin rank... i can't stream pr0n anymore.. i can't play games without being fukin disconnected..its SHIIIITE.

it clearly says 96% of NZ'ers POLLED... POLLED... thats people who answered teh survey.. so could be 48 out of 50 people or 9,600 people out of 10,000 who they rang and who answered.

simple really.. ITS SHITE!!! fukin robbin twating cunts.

End rant.

[Pumba]

Go dial up:dodge:, same speed all the time every time.

And with all the crap going around I cant see myself changing in the near future.

[boomer]

.. by complaining a lot and not doing a whole lot about it.

What other ways are there.. .. oh i know, i'll swap to that cable provider in Auckland.. oh no wait.. i'll swap to.... to.... oh thats right.. TELECOM still have a fukin monopoly...

shoudl i run down teh street stark bollok naked.. would that help?? i ring the bastards monthly only to get some fukin fukwit ask me if i've rebooted... or added any more telephones to the house.. or cut my hair.. or is it raining.. or is it wednesday....DICK HEADS! lying, thieving wankers ;)

[Karma]

simple really.. ITS SHITE!!! fukin robbin twating cunts.


What can I say mate, as I'll tell anyone, nobodies forcing you to pay for it... robbing would seem to suggest forcably taking your money. You do have a choice, that choice is to say no.

[boomer]

What can I say mate, as I'll tell anyone, nobodies forcing you to pay for it... robbing would seem to suggest forcably taking your money. You do have a choice, that choice is to say no.

See above..and for any multi million dollar company to be able to get away with it in this day and age is day light robbery. The attitude of .. oh disconnect then riles me.. FIX IT YOU CUNT!

[fozz rock]

Go dial up:dodge:, same speed all the time every time.

And with all the crap going around I cant see myself changing in the near future.


LOL yea you said it
some green coming your way

[Chisanga]

Typing... riding... *snicker*

Quoted for truth :)

[Karma]

What other ways are there.. .. oh i know, i'll swap to that cable provider in Auckland.. oh no wait.. i'll swap to.... to.... oh thats right.. TELECOM still have a fukin monopoly...


From what I'm aware (and granted my knowledge gets a bit patchy here) there's Woosh, and of course I'm sure you're more than aware of the new Vodem which looks quite snazzy.

[James Deuce]

From what I'm aware (and granted my knowledge gets a bit patchy here) there's Woosh, and of course I'm sure you're more than aware of the new Vodem which looks quite snazzy.

Woosh and Vodem have latency issues in regard to gaming.

[boomer]

From what I'm aware (and granted my knowledge gets a bit patchy here) there's Woosh, and of course I'm sure you're more than aware of the new Vodem which looks quite snazzy.

i know exactly whats on offer.. and its equivelant to 3rd world country stuff... mate, i worked for the fuckers .. i know ;)

[Karma]

Woosh and Vodem have latency issues in regard to gaming.


So, it appears, does telecom broadband.

[Karma]

i know exactly whats on offer.. and its equivelant to 3rd world country stuff... mate, i worked for the fuckers .. i know ;)

Did ya not consider that maybe we're in the 3rd world? As far as technology is concerned at any rate...

[boomer]

Did ya not consider that maybe we're in the 3rd world? As far as technology is concerned at any rate...

No.. you're wrong. Teh technology is first class.. it's teh package that comes with the technology...sold as a service and teh fukin munkies runnin it...

[Karma]

No.. you're wrong. Teh technology is first class.. it's teh package that comes with the technology...sold as a service and teh fukin munkies runnin it...


So then how can you explain the problems with the Vodem and the Woosh services? Couldn't be that they're both poorly run as well could it? Wouldn't that break down the tall poppy syndrome here that anything that grows too big should be torn down?

[James Deuce]

It's been known in this country for some time that the phone network is underdeveloped, reasons being that New Zealand just isn't big enough to generate the sums that need to be put into the network to bring it into line with the rest of the world. When comparing broadband availabilty and speed Helen Clark compares NZ to places such as Korea, USA, UK etc... when in reality with the amount of money to spend on these services perhaps it would be better to compare NZ with some of the medium developed nations such as places in africa of southern america.


I'm sorry, you're completely wrong. I left Telecom under a cloud in '95, primarily because I used to smart mouth Theresa Gattung. At the time a I was a Network Strategy Architect, and we had more than enough money to begin the process of developing an infrastructure to support the kind of Internet connectivity. 4 people were entrusted to develop a plan to develop strategies to build a network base that would support future Internet developments. I was one of them and I failed to convince anyone in Telecom that the Internet would supplant voice traffic as the major traffic carried by the Telecom network. We all failed. All of us left to do other things, feeling like utter failures.

The biggest issue was that the money has all been shipped overseas to placate "Investors". The NZ Government made a huge mistake when they sold Telecom and there has been practically no development, no actual change to switch architecture and design since I was there. In development of Infrastructure vital to the development of a modern economy, because there was no money in it for the owners. At a conservative estimate $5 Billion dollars got shipped out in the time I was there. We needed 900 million to redevelop the core switch environment.

It didn't happen so here we are now.

Do not buy into the crap that we don't have, or generate enough money to build a superior technology base that will suit NZ. There problem is that developing and implementing the technology doesn't make dividends for shareholders.

[Karma]

I'm sorry, you're completely wrong. I left Telecom under a cloud in '95, primarily because I used to smart mouth Theresa Gattung. At the time a I was a Network Strategy Architect, and we had more than enough money to begin the process of developing an infrastructure to support the kind of Internet connectivity. 4 people were entrusted to develop a plan to develop strategies to build a network base that would support future Internet developments. I was one of them and I failed to convince anyone in Telecom that the Internet would supplant voice traffic as the major traffic carried by the Telecom network. We all failed. All of us left to do other things, feeling like utter failures.

The biggest issue was that the money has all been shipped overseas to placate "Investors". The NZ Government made a huge mistake when they sold Telecom and there has been practically no development, no actual change to switch architecture and design since I was there. In development of Infrastructure vital to the development of a modern economy, because there was no money in it for the owners. At a conservative estimate $5 Billion dollars got shipped out in the time I was there. We needed 900 million to redevelop the core switch environment.

It didn't happen so here we are now.

Do not buy into the crap that we don't have, or generate enough money to build a superior technology base that will suit NZ. There problem is that developing and implementing the technology doesn't make dividends for shareholders.

What I don't understand, if Telecom is such a big earner, why was it sold in the first place? A quick cash out and the money used on other things?

Ok Jim, you obviously know more about this than I, but from what I've read above, it was your fault?

[riffer]

Well, I'll see what happens this week.

I'd been on dialup forever, and this week we finally go for Telstra's HighSpeed Plan - 4Mbps down, 2Mbps up, 10GB cap, $2.95 per GB thereafter.

Currently my speeds according to the consumer.org.nz test are:

39kbps down, 584 kpbs up (wtf??? - tested three times and this is the worst result).

I'll post the results after I upgrade.

[Finn]

And what about that stupid bitch from Telecom on Campbell Live. What the fuck was she wearing? Was she on holiday at the beach? I didn't think it was more possible for Telecom to hire a more stupid, incompetent, uglier home keeper than Gattung.

I'm getting sick of woman running this country. Get back in the kitchen bitches. That's what God wanted and what we bloody well deserve.

Thank you

[N4CR]

i work in the it industry and every single person i have asked about broadband has moaned about the fullspeed change and even problems before that. telecoms dslam bins can simply not handle it. if you are on the remuera exchange you got ****ed over for about a 3 months while they upgraded the stacks. even now it goes slow sometimes and you get booted off for a day (no wan ip even if you reset router/hard off/on etc) every now and then. it was better before the speed change.

when it first changed over i got bandwidth less than that of a 56k modem and much less reliability to boot... it took a few weeks for it to get back up. my atainable line speed 9536 kbps / 1032 kbps and actual speed is the max of 7616 kbps / 160 kbps cus i'm 996m round trip from the exchange. and yes 996's are ***y. :)

http://www.nzdsl.co.nz/module-speedtest.phtml

that test gave me 1589kbps down and 132kbps up. my record was about 6 one flukey time, 2am i'll get like 3+. in real speed from normal sites i'll get around 350kb/sec sometimes and down to 60-80 in real busy times. not the service i pay for eh? didn't know this was israeli telecom running the show.

at peak like now... well yeah.. can go down even less to around 800kbps. line speed is still '7mbit+' cough cough.

also traffic shaping from hell too, **** you telecum.i work in the it industry and every single person i have asked about broadband has moaned about the fullspeed change and even problems before that. telecoms dslam bins can simply not handle it. if you are on the remuera exchange you got ****ed over for about a 3 months while they upgraded the stacks. even now it goes slow sometimes and you get booted off for a day (no wan ip even if you reset router/hard off/on etc) every now and then. it was better before the speed change.

when it first changed over i got bandwidth less than that of a 56k modem and much less reliability to boot... it took a few weeks for it to get back up. my atainable line speed 9536 kbps / 1032 kbps and actual speed is the max of 7616 kbps / 160 kbps cus i'm 996m round trip from the exchange. and yes 996's are ***y. :)

http://www.nzdsl.co.nz/module-speedtest.phtml

that test gave me 1589kbps down and 132kbps up. my record was about 6 one flukey time, 2am i'll get like 3+. in real speed from normal sites i'll get around 350kb/sec sometimes and down to 60-80 in real busy times. not the service i pay for eh? didn't know this was israeli telecom running the show.

at peak like now... well yeah.. can go down even less to around 800kbps. line speed is still '7mbit+' cough cough.

also traffic shaping from hell too, **** you telecum.

the upload speed is also **** and 3rd world. gg telecome
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[kro]

Finn swings in from left field, and puts a foul ball outside the diamond.

Jim, you paint a similar picture to others I have spoken to who were, or are on the payroll today. I think as boomer and co have stated, we are paying for a service which is not being delivered, and to top it off, it's miles behind the "developed" world anyway.

.

[The_Dover]

Everything that boomer and Jim2 have said is true.

Telecom are fucking pathetic. Weasel, stop defending them, they are fucking thieves. They make shit loads of money and they pay that incompetent fucking troll and her minions a shit load to sit around and do fuck all except lie to the public and lick the ball sacks of their shareholders.

Their front line customer service staff cop heaps of shit because of their strategists incompetence. My springer spaniel would make a better CEO than that stinking gattung bitch, and I bet she can't even fetch a fucking stick without denying there ever was a stick or that it had ever been thrown. It would cost too much to throw a stick and we don't have the infrastructure to retrieve it. Mutt.

I feel for you Jim2 (and not just cos you're a bald ginger and not as good on the drums as me), it must suck to have to look back on a smug whore like that proving you right at yours, and the rest of the country's, expense.

BTW, I'm moving to Orcon tonight. I'm sick of the fuckin timeouts on this Xtra bullshit.

[Finn]

BTW, I'm moving to Orcon tonight.

Whose copper wire are you going to use?

[scracha]

You gotta feel just as sorry for rural dial-up customers with no alternative. The line quality seems to be getting worse for many of my "farming" customers. Not a hope in hell of them getting DSL in the forseeable future either never mind fibre optic.

Never mind 3G, Vodyphoney would make a fortune if they improved rural coverage and flogged reasonably priced unlimited GPRS plans (would work nicely with them vodem things).

I'm unofficially telling customers to use any DNS server but the Xtra ones. The Xtra pop3 server seems fakked to. The spam filtering is almost non-existant. I'm officially telling customers not to use an @xtra.co.nz email address if at all possible. Finally, why the hell can't they implement a decent IMAP server?

[Finn]

And I might add, it's not just ADSL Telecom are screwing with. At work, we run multiple data circuits to our various customers. We have just been told that these circuits won't be available soon and if we don't upgrade (to a more expensive service) they'll increase the price.

Can you imagine if any of us tried that on with our customers? If I did I'd be out of business in a week and have to work for a prick like me.

[Disco Dan]

SO? we all moan about it, but what can we actually do about it??

Im on woosh and its next to useless, I have more wires attached to my wirelesss modem than a wired one and the speed is actually worse than that of telecum cuntomers!

Telecum is next to useless.

Lines throughout the country need upgrading just to cope.

Wirelless is not widespread enough and reliable enough let along trusted enough by the public to be a viable alternative.

*bring on the negative public bashing and publicity*

[boomer]

Whose copper wire are you going to use?

Roger that pink leader.. thats why i said "i'll swap to cable".. oh wait.. there is no other fuckin infrastructure. Teleskum have there wicked way with everyone.

[Skyryder]

This broadband fuckup is just another example of a market forces fuckup. We saw much the same sort of thing with the rail. A resource plundered for foreign investors that New Zealand had to regain control over the tracks. If what J2 has said is true and I have no reason to doubt him someone needs standing up against the wall and asked to give an explanation prior to the ready, aim, etc.

As for the woman who appeared on Campbell Live Some speech therapy along with a new wardrobe might be in order.

Skyryder

[boomer]

What I don't understand, if Telecom is such a big earner, why was it sold in the first place? A quick cash out and the money used on other things?

Why was BT, BR etc etc sold... These companies bring in BIG money, unfortunately the dickheads left running them and teh mentalities from yester year make them hellish places to work or be a customer to.

the GOVERMENT needs to say NO.. pull ya fukin socks up you thieving bastards.

[boomer]

And I might add, it's not just ADSL Telecom are screwing with. At work, we run multiple data circuits to our various customers. We have just been told that these circuits won't be available soon and if we don't upgrade (to a more expensive service) they'll increase the price.

Can you imagine if any of us tried that on with our customers? If I did I'd be out of business in a week and have to work for a prick like me.

Lube anyone?

[RT527]

I`m going to stay with orcon, they are going to introduce vdsl gear at the exchanges which are capable of up to 100mb/s only drawback is it only works approx half the distance from the exchange that broadband does.not a problem where I am..I`m 130 mtrs from the exchange.:yes:

And it runs on copper to the exchange too .

With that technology which apparently has been in use overseas for the last 3 yrs, orcon are looking to do The whole deal thing...phone,internet connection and TV for 1 package price.

[Finn]

This broadband fuckup is just another example of a market forces fuckup. We saw much the same sort of thing with the rail. A resource plundered for foreign investors that New Zealand had to regain control over the tracks. If what J2 has said is true and I have no reason to doubt him someone needs standing up against the wall and asked to give an explanation prior to the ready, aim, etc.

As for the woman who appeared on Campbell Live Some speech therapy along with a new wardrobe might be in order.

Skyryder

True, but if you remember back in the day when we owned it, a new phone connection would take 3 years, the phones had crank handles on them and it cost $3,578,580 per minute to call Australia. If we still owned it, you wouldn't be able to read this informative post as the internet wouldn't exist.

Lets face it. NZ can't run big business, especially the government. We don't have the skill or the money.

[boomer]

Never mind 3G, Vodyphoney would make a fortune if they improved rural coverage and flogged reasonably priced unlimited GPRS plans (would work nicely with them vodem things).

No they wouldn't, make a fortune that is. why would they spend millions on 'a' site in the middle of no where, NEVER.. NEVER .. and i mean NEVER to recoup the money spent on the infrastructure.. just so Cowpoos and his mates can watch pr0n?

It's not a viable option to put cell sites in the sticks mate, theres just not the traffic/$.

I don't disagree that it'd be nice but it doesn't make business sense unfortunately... population density is where the coin is. Happy farmers are all well and good but they don't put food on Arin's plate... he's got a lot of hungry little indian mouths to feed ;)

[Hitcher]

TelstraClear fibre. Certainly better than dial-up...

[James Deuce]

Ok Jim, you obviously know more about this than I, but from what I've read above, it was your fault?

My fault for not being able to convince my bosses, the Telecom Board, and Foreign Investors to Invest in NZ's future. However they didn't want to invest in it. They just wanted the cash.

[boomer]

My fault for not being able to convince my bosses, the Telecom Board, and Foreign Investors to Invest in NZ's future. However they didn't want to invest in it. They just wanted the cash.

Next time you go to one of those big board/exec meetings/presentations, remember to cut out the techy stuff and speak english ;) show them the MONEY!

[James Deuce]

I wish. I haven't worked at Telecom since '96, and my "career" has been in terminal decline ever since. Something about "not respecting Authority Figures", whatever the fuck they are. :)

[RT527]

My fault for not being able to convince my bosses, the Telecom Board, and Foreign Investors to Invest in NZ's future. However they didn't want to invest in it. They just wanted the cash.

Why should they , they are after all not NZ`ers......which is more than likely what they were thinking...mind you i never listened to you Either and I`m doing ok....[jk]:sunny:

[Finn]

I wish. I haven't worked at Telecom since '96, and my "career" has been in terminal decline ever since. Something about "not respecting Authority Figures", whatever the fuck they are. :)


You need to call Campbell Live and tell them your story. They love this kind of stuff.

Do it, do it, do it!

[Edbear]

. There problem is that developing and implementing the technology doesn't make dividends for shareholders.



I fail to see the logic in this! Surely an advanced technology programme would be the best investment? You make it sound like people have simply been using Telecom as a cash cow and milking it for their short term benefit...:gob:

(Didn't that happen to rail and so the NZ Gummit bailed them out and bought it all back?) Why do I get a sense of De ja whatsit?

I'm confused..!:confused:

[0arbreaka]

I feel the need for some angry mob with pitch forks and various other weapons to do something about/to Telescum... :ar15: :mega: :2guns: :argh: :Oi: :blank: :moon:

[Paul in NZ]

Gee - the free market at work? We got what we voted for...

[Dai]

Did ya not consider that maybe we're in the 3rd world? As far as technology is concerned at any rate...

Not just as far as technology, in all aspects of life, this country ranks amongst the lesser developed. Socially, politically and ecconomically.

I deliberately didnt use the term "third world" until it is explained to me exactly where the "second world" is.

[Dai]

I`m going to stay with orcon, they are going to introduce vdsl gear at the exchanges which are capable of up to 100mb/s only drawback is it only works approx half the distance from the exchange that broadband does.not a problem where I am..I`m 130 mtrs from the exchange.:yes:

And it runs on copper to the exchange too .

With that technology which apparently has been in use overseas for the last 3 yrs, orcon are looking to do The whole deal thing...phone,internet connection and TV for 1 package price.


VDSL runs on fibre optic cable. Caerphiily in Sth Wales has been wired for this technology as a test case for British Telecom, population about 10,000.

[The_Dover]

I deliberately didnt use the term "third world" until it is explained to me exactly where the "second world" is.

Bangladesh, Somalia, Wales, Gabon, North Korea,l Scotland and all those other places that are technologically and socially in front of New Zealand but behind such great nations as England, Hungary and Kazakhstan.

[Dai]

Bangladesh, Somalia, Wales, Gabon, North Korea,l Scotland and all those other places that are technologically and socially in front of New Zealand but behind such great nations as England, Hungary and Kazakhstan.

Thank you Dover me old mate,

I have no problem with your examples except for the inclusion of England. Surely this nation, while once a shining example of progressiveness, has now become nothing more than a reservoir for the worlds misfits and social rejects.

A country that holds a very special place in the world. The dumping pot for all those with excess population.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Jim2 - I had a friend that explained all that to me so I'm glad you posted the facts. He is in the telecommunications field and an expert - we often have long conversations on this - ah correction - he talks, I listen, but manage to ask the odd intelligent question!! He told me Telecom would not listen to advisors and couldn't conceive how big internet would get.

[The_Dover]

England. Surely this nation, while once a shining example of progressiveness, has now become nothing more than a reservoir for the worlds misfits and social rejects.

Someone's got to take in all the fuckin kiwi's on their Big OE.

[Lias]

I had to laugh at our fucking retard minister cunliffe going on about how we need fibre to the door.

FUCK fibre to the door, if anything that would just exacerbate the problem because every cock would be trying to leech at 1gb/s, and we'd still have no backhaul capacity.. A decent ADSL2 connection is fine for me Hell even ADSl that actually worked at connect speed would do..

What we need is more backhaul bandwith, and a fuckload of that.. We need much lower contention ratios (I'm thinking single digits not 1:150).

Telecom needs to A: Lay and/or liven up a hell of a lot more backbone fibre in NZ, and B: Liven the entire southern cross cable up.

Personally I think Telecom should be "compulsorily acquired" and renationalised by the govt as a not for profit SOE.. It still charges us like normal but all that money is plowed back into improving our national backbone etc. We'd have world class service in a year or two :-)

[Karma]

VDSL runs on fibre optic cable. Caerphiily in Sth Wales has been wired for this technology as a test case for British Telecom, population about 10,000.

There's a trial in south auckland as well, fuck knows why it's down there...


Someone's got to take in all the fuckin kiwi's on their Big OE.


That's true, and all the eastern europeans and the turks, and the afgans, and... well the list goes on really doesn't it...

[Dai]

Someone's got to take in all the fuckin kiwi's on their Big OE.

I agree with you there but dont forget that without the kiwis who would run all the pubs in London?

[boomer]

I agree with you there but dont forget that without the kiwis who would run all the pubs in London?

The africana's.. the Turks.. anyone but the english really

[riffer]

There's a trial in south auckland as well, fuck knows why it's down there...


Mission Heights currently has the fastest internet in the country, with Telecom trialling fibre in all new houses in this suburb. And they get it free for a year too.

[The_Dover]

I recently moved house (about 2km) and at the same time changed my broadband plan to the Go Large plan. Great, I thought, keep my number as it's the same exchange and get a better dsl service. Wrong.

I kept the same number, on the same exchange, got charged $45 for the privilege and STILL my billing address was not changed. Generally when I move house I like my mail to come with me. The blatant rip off charges are insulting enough but to cock up the change of address in the process is nothing but incompetence.

And as for the "Go Large" dsl plan. I think you should rename it "Go Elsewhere" because that is what I expect the majority of your customers will be doing once they experience the pathetic performance. Sure, it's quick during the day (when I was off work sick) but try to use it at any other time and it is, and pardon my language here, completely fucking useless. I've never had so many connection timeouts, not even in the days of shitty old dial up in the Shetland Islands. The endless excuses that Telecom spout to justify their lack of investment in infrastructure is disgusting, especially given the salaries of some of their incompetent, lying, thieving arsehole executives and the share dividends they pay out.

I pity the customer service staff that bare the brunt of the frustration of ripped off, exasperated Telecom customers and await the day that they can go and work for a telecommunications provider that can supply a solution that would be acceptable in the third world.

Telecom should stick to flashy advertising, long lunches and corporate bullshit. Phones and internet don't appear to be within their capabilities.

I'm off to Orcon (again!). Ciao.

PS Note my cellphone number is Vodafone, the lesser of the two evils.

eat shit telescum.

[Insanity_rules]

I worked for the scumbags too, ending my career as product manager for mobile broadband. Boy did I have to polish a turd to push that product (Sierra wireless, Gtran data cards and moile phone plug in internet access). If the jerks at the top had listened to the planning people rather than being interested in shoveling money at the investors back in the day, then our current predicament wouldn't be here.

I hear very valid rumors that even Russia has better connectivity than we do! I have heard of orcons plan but I don't think they have the cash to play it out and I have also heard of a rumbling plan from actrix (my opinion the best ISP going) regarding connectivity infrastructure but again I don't think they have the coin to impliment it effectively either!

My 2 cents! Telecom chews up and spits out its brightest staff!

BTW Jim2 did you work with a Blonde guy called Allan (last name known but not posted) by any chance?

[Flyingpony]

I'm in the 4% (didn't bother voting) ... Go DIALUP! :dodge: ... Same speed all the time, predictable consistency I tell ya!

Edit: In fact, my dialup has improved recently (connects now at 48kbps instead of 42kbps) since Telstra replaced some boards at the exchange my street plugs into :mellow: We had an Internet outage but ordinary phone still worked :scratch: - that was a hard yarn to tell the tech support people because no body believed me that I had an outage until 25% of the street started complaining :shit:

[SPman]

Didn't Telecom LOSE $1 billion in their abortive Australian foray!

[James Deuce]

Yes. Exactly 1/14th of what they made overall during the time they were in Aus. Not revenue. Profit.

[Swoop]

Someone's got to take in all the fuckin kiwi's on their Big OE.
Apart from Australia??? Kiwis go there and think they have seen the whole world:yes:

There's a trial in south auckland as well, fuck knows why it's down there...
So the pirating of DVD and MP3's can be done much faster. Gotta keep the Otara market fully stocked!

[avgas]

I wish. I haven't worked at Telecom since '96, and my "career" has been in terminal decline ever since. Something about "not respecting Authority Figures", whatever the fuck they are. :)

Like Batman?

[James Deuce]

No, more like Cartman.

[MisterD]

Woosh and Vodem have latency issues in regard to gaming.

Buy a football, no latency here.

[James Deuce]

I did. Next door neighbour won't give it back. Bitch.

[MisterD]

There's a trial in south auckland as well, fuck knows why it's down there...



It's where all the criminals are....

[RT527]

VDSL runs on fibre optic cable. Caerphiily in Sth Wales has been wired for this technology as a test case for British Telecom, population about 10,000.

Um yes but what I meant was still runs on your twisted paired copper in your house....

VDSL and Other Types of DSL
VDSL operates over the copper wires in your phone line in much the same way that ADSL does, but there are a couple of distinctions. VDSL can achieve incredible speeds, as high as 52 Mbps downstream (to your home) and 16 Mbps upstream (from your home). That is much faster than ADSL, which provides up to 8 Mbps downstream and 800 Kbps (kilobits per second) upstream. But VDSL's amazing performance comes at a price: It can only operate over the copper line for a short distance, about 4,000 feet (1,200 m).




The key to VDSL is that the telephone companies are replacing many of their main feeds with fiber-optic cable. In fact, many phone companies are planning Fiber to the Curb (FTTC), which means that they will replace all existing copper lines right up to the point where your phone line branches off at your house. At the least, most companies expect to implement Fiber to the Neighborhood (FTTN). Instead of installing fiber-optic cable along each street, FTTN has fiber going to the main junction box for a particular neighborhood.

This was sourced overseas so isnt relavent to what telecom or anyone else is doing...just giving an insight on how vdsl works.

[The_Dover]

I did. Next door neighbour won't give it back. Bitch.


Do you live next door to Theresa too?

"No James, there is no football. We don't have the necessary resource to return your football, it's not a lesbian football." Then the whore will sell it to the yanks and use the profit to buy some shit house aussie company and lose money on it.

[scracha]

Bangladesh, Somalia, Wales, Gabon, North Korea,l Scotland and all those other places that are technologically and socially in front of New Zealand but behind such great nations as England, Hungary and Kazakhstan.

This is one Scotsman who's certainly behind an Englander tonight. :love:

[The_Dover]

Well I got a reply from the wankers. I hope they call me when I'm in a hell mood like I am now. I'm gonna make one of Theresa's whores cry for their dollar.


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[boomer]

Sif you'll get a reply. Send them a nail bomb instead.

[Dai]

Well I got a reply from the wankers. I hope they call me when I'm in a hell mood like I am now. I'm gonna make one of Theresa's whores cry for their dollar.

It would have been quicker if they had said what they really meant,

"Fuck off and die for all we care"

[The_Dover]

Sif you'll get a reply. Send them a nail bomb instead.

I'll have to wait a week or two. I cut my nails yesterday.

[boomer]

I'll have to wait a week or two. I cut my nails yesterday.

In that case.. send 'em a stink bomb; you have plenty of ammo.. i know!

[scracha]

I don't disagree that it'd be nice but it doesn't make business sense unfortunately... population density is where the coin is. Happy farmers are all werll and good but they don't put food on Arin's plate... he's got a lot of hungry little indian mouths to feed ;)

I can't make a bloody voice call on my vodyphoney handset when I'm more than 1Km out of my little town so not a hope in hell of data calls. Hell, I can only get 4 @$ckin TV channels here and some mates on the edge of town basically can't get TV.

What about broadband over power lines? Why the fuck isn't that deployed out here? Oh I know..transco(n) are just as fuckin useless. They'd probably blame the electric fences just like Telecom do.

[The_Dover]

They'd probably blame the electric fences just like Telecom do.

Don't switch those fuckers off otherwise all the hicks will escape to town and go looking for someone elses sister to keep warm with...

[boomer]

I can't make a bloody voice call on my vodyphoney handset when I'm more than 1Km out of my little town so not a hope in hell of data calls. Hell, I can only get 4 @$ckin TV channels here and some mates on the edge of town basically can't get TV.

What about broadband over power lines? Why the fuck isn't that deployed out here? Oh I know..transco(n) are just as fuckin useless. They'd probably blame the electric fences just like Telecom do.


Now you see this is what cracks me up, people make a lifestyle choice to live in the out back but then moan like scottsman with runny porridge when they don't have the 'services'. Whilst working at for a Telco, i saw thousands of compalints from farmers and rural people that moaned like fuckski when Vodafone, or teleskum for that matter, tried to put a cellsite in there area.. calls of ugly, eye sores, The main cause of gesticular cancer in there prize winning Bulls. Move to a city if you want the toys and pay for it like the rest of us or be quiet :p

I can't figure it out myself :scooter:

and yeah.. i laughed at the 'blame it on the electric fences' too.. :rofl:

[pete376403]

If you're in the right parts of Wellington or Christchurch, there's no need to put up with sub-standard Telecom connections. Get TelstraClear cable and enjoy up to 10mbs up and down.

Interesting to hear the Telecom mouthpiece saying how much money is required for upgrading (and implying they couldn't afford it on their own) when they have been making near enough to $2mill per DAY profit (T/Com usually makes over $700 mill per year profit after tax) almost since they were privatised

[The_Dover]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/story.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10421717

Yeah, they can't afford to get off their fuckin arses and sort out the shit house infrastructure in New Benefitland

[scracha]

Now you see this is what cracks me up, people make a lifestyle choice to live in the out back but then moan like scottsman with runny


I belive that with a population of over 4000, this place is classified as a TOWN in this country, not a village. I'll be moving to the lifestyle block next year when houseprices plummet.

Any more lip from you sunny and I'll be putting dents in your 6 hundy.

The "city" is full of cunts so I don't live there.