Now the Maoris want their kumaras back

[Finn]

You evil white bastards. How could you? I hope you all feel guilty.

Nothing a few million can't fix though aye bro.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10421870

[bistard]

When is it all going to end!!
Dont start me on this whole subject,it pisses me off!!

[Crisis management]

I've had a quick sort thru the vege cupboard, only three to return!!

So, do they pick them up? Who do I contact to arrange this?

Hate to be seen as unco-operative.........

[pixc]

oh your F***n kidding me?

Where will it stop??!!!

[Paul in NZ]

happy to swap it back for control of the P or booze trade bro

[Guitana]

They can have them I fucken hate Kumaras!!!!

[MrMelon]

What a crock. I've just been reading the penguin history of NZ, and the kumaras that the original eastern polynesians (whos descendants became the maoris) brought with them were much smaller and a totally different variety anyway.

[Ixion]

Certainly. And once that's done shall we discuss, in the same vein, the white man's equivalent , the potato. Y'know, the one that is used for chippies, n fries and all that. Debit white man value of kumara crop used by whiteman. Debit black man value of potato crop used by black man . I know who's going to come out ahead.

[MisterD]

Right, it's time we started to charge them a technology licencing fee for everything we brought with us, starting with metal tools and going up from there.

[Dai]

Right, it's time we started to charge them a technology licencing fee for everything we brought with us, starting with metal tools and going up from there.

Starting with everything that isnt of "stone age" technology.

Metal, reading, writing, TAB, pokie machines, booze, health care, life expectancy over 40 ish, animal husbandry, pork, the list goes on

[The_Dover]

Fuck them.

We want out missionaries back too!!

[imdying]

Right, it's time we started to charge them a technology licencing fee for everything we brought with us, starting with metal tools and going up from there.

Sounds very complicated... we could just properly colonise the country like we should have done the first time round and kill them all.

[Lias]

We want our KFC, Our Marijuana and our Holdens back.

[Smokin]

Ohh FFS, When is all this bullshit going to come to an end, Just give them back their fuckin Kumara but we want our booze and muskets back plus penalties as it was them that have backed out of the deal not us!!!

[Finn]

Sounds very complicated... we could just properly colonise the country like we should have done the first time round and kill them all.

Well there's certainly enough Poms in the country to have a second crack, but we all know the brits are a lazy bunch of pricks and they'll stop every 5 mins for a cup-o-tea and a moan about something.

We don't want to kill them either. They're good for Tourism.

[Wasp]

fine by me, i dont like kumara

[dawnrazor]

sweet potatoes....problem solved.....what is this kumara of which you speak?

[vifferman]

Contact the South AMurkns - they'll probably want to exercise a claim against the Maori to the kumara, since it came from there originally.

[judecatmad]

We want our KFC, Our Marijuana and our Holdens back.

And our benefits system....


Well there's certainly enough Poms in the country to have a second crack, but we all know the brits are a lazy bunch of pricks and they'll stop every 5 mins for a cup-o-tea and a moan about something.

We don't want to kill them either. They're good for Tourism.

Yeah, but if we were model citizens then what would YOU whinge about, Finn?

;)

[LilSel]

omg.... :gob: .... *shakes head*... Its a... kumara for shits sake... :zzzz:

[roogazza]

They've just about had their fill ! It's all down hill from here !!!!!!

We'll have to have, not just waitangi day, but, china day,indian day,arab day !
What about having New Zealand day ? can't be that far away ? Gaz.

[The_Dover]

Can we have our fucking white man subwoofers back as well you cunts?

then we wont have to listen to the fuckin papakura jungle telegraph at full noise.

[Motu]

What a crock. I've just been reading the penguin history of NZ, and the kumaras that the original eastern polynesians (whos descendants became the maoris) brought with them were much smaller and a totally different variety anyway.

True,and if you read the article those are the ones the Maori are talking about,the pre European kumara,not the Owairaka red.I am happy if they want to keep an old strain of vegetable going.

It's a shame Maori no longer garden,the old people always had a big vege garden,and different varieties were passed down,and around.A couple of years ago I pulled into a friends place in the Naki late on a winter evening,on the bike.She knew I was coming and she gave me a plate of purple potatoes! They were a strain in her family that she recently got from an uncle,she thought they had been lost.They look and taste like an ordinary potatoe,but inside they are purple.I might see if she has kept them going,maybe I can grow some myself,and keep them active....if she doesn't mind them going out of the tribe.

The fruit and veges you buy in the supermarket are varieties that produce and sell well,the bottom line is always money.But there is an underground culture of unimproved seed,original settlers stock.

[Dai]

omg.... :gob: .... *shakes head*... Its a... kumara for shits sake... :zzzz:


Gone way past that.

Its a principle now.

When does the line get drawn?

When does all this crap finish?

For how much longer do the demands of the few take precednce over the wishes of the majority?

When do the tree hugging do gooders stop kissing arse and realise that you cant fix everything with a kiss, a hug and a few hundred million dollars?

There are very few places left in this world where there is an indigenous race of people. What we do have is a population that settled an area at an earlier time than those who came later.

Time for a revolution of some kind that will put an end to all this crap otherwise my great grandchildren will still be held responsible for the actions or inaction of my great great granparents.

[Jimmy B]

She knew I was coming and she gave me a plate of purple potatoes! They were a strain in her family that she recently got from an uncle,she thought they had been lost.They look and taste like an ordinary potatoe,but inside they are purple.I might see if she has kept them going,maybe I can grow some myself,and keep them active....if she doesn't mind them going out of the tribe.

Seen them and eaten them in a downtown Auckland Restaurant, maybe Kermadec from memory. They must be around, tasted pretty good too from memory if not a little weird to look at

[Swoop]

The group says the Crown breached the treaty by failing to preserve pre-European kumara varieties, and deliberately allowed the last remaining stocks to be lost to overseas collections.
The scary part is the fact that there are people out there who COLLECT potatos!!!!!!
*shudder*

[Finn]

It's a shame Maori no longer garden

They do up North. It's a billion dollar industry.

[LilSel]

Gone way past that.

Its a principle now.

otherwise my great grandchildren will still be held responsible for the actions or inaction of my great great granparents.

:yes: yup... cant everyone just get along n share a vege (sounds like its $$$ orientated)... next thing some other race (euro) will try claim oranges or apples or somthin cuz that variety of fruit was bought here on a ship from some other country when they came here over a hundered years or so ago... my sister grows potatoes in her garden... does she have to pay a commission to the pple that introduced them??... :whocares:

watch it turn political.... :whocares:

[MisterD]

Seen them and eaten them in a downtown Auckland Restaurant, maybe Kermadec from memory. They must be around, tasted pretty good too from memory if not a little weird to look at

Had them at Bowmans in Mt Eden, tasted ok but I was sick as next morning...nothing to do with the amount of red wine, no sir.

[SPman]

Fuck them.

We want out missionaries back too!!
Oh no we f**king don't!

[SPman]

True,and if you read the article those are the ones the Maori are talking about,the pre European kumara,not the Owairaka red. I am happy if they want to keep an old strain of vegetable going.

The fruit and veges you buy in the supermarket are varieties that produce and sell well,the bottom line is always money.But there is an underground culture of unimproved seed,original settlers stock.

There is a growing market in and for, "heritage" fruit and veges.
Some of those "Maori" potatoes are quite tasty - the little purple ones.

[avgas]

All already look like they have had enough

[Dai]

There is a growing market in and for, "heritage" fruit and veges.
Some of those "Maori" potatoes are quite tasty - the little purple ones.

My uncle's used to farm down in Southland. One of them was plagued by these little purple spuds and ripped them all up and destroyed them. Well most of them. He kept a patch for the garden.

Invercargill area has lots of these purple things, send these claimants down there to look after them.

[Ixion]

I wish someone could tell me where to get proper old fashioned apples - Sturmers, Northern Spy, Docherty. And real peaches, not the tasteless things they sell now.

[The Stranger]

This is what they are really after, control of "a recent import, the toka toka gold".
Hey with a name like that I am surprised Dover isn't after control of it.

[sAsLEX]

I wish someone could tell me where to get proper old fashioned apples - Sturmers, Northern Spy, Docherty. And real peaches, not the tasteless things they sell now.

I am ashamed to say was listening to Radio Live yesterday........ and they were discussing the summer fruit we get these days, you know the tasteless hard bitter stuff.

The growers calling were pointing at supermarkets pushing for the fruit sooner and sooner and for graded fruit so they were being picked earlier, loosing precious sunshine hours and ripening time, and that supermarkets did not want to purchase their fruit that had allowed to properly ripen so resorted to selling it in road side stalls.

The growers are confused as people dont care if they wait a month for a peach if its nice and ripe, compared to the sour rock fruit we get at the moment.

[Swoop]

The growers calling were pointing at supermarkets pushing for the fruit sooner and sooner and for graded fruit so they were being picked earlier, loosing precious sunshine hours and ripening time, and that supermarkets did not want to purchase their fruit that had allowed to properly ripen so resorted to selling it in road side stalls.

The growers are confused as people dont care if they wait a month for a peach if its nice and ripe, compared to the sour rock fruit we get at the moment.
Makes perfect sense to me. The carrots out of my vege patch taste totally different to those of a "purchased" variety.

Surely everyone has a vege garden in their back yard???

[rc_36_rider]

If we cant have there kumeras then why can they have our sheep, potatoes and all the good stuff we brought over here?

[Beemer]

They can have them I fucken hate Kumaras!!!!

Snap! Not my favourite vegetable!

[The_Dover]

and guess what BRO.

CHICKENS AREN"T FUCKIN NATIVE TO NZ AND NEITHER WAS THE COLONEL

so fuck you.

[outlawtorn]

why this would be even entertained in the courts is beyond me. As an immigrant I have a different perspective on these kind of "goings on" and it is really strange that this kind of request isn't laughed out of court. How fucking ridiculous must it get before our government stands up and says "enough, shut up and get on with yout fucking lives!"

[ManDownUnder]

pre or post digestion - I don't have any still in their native state...

This is mine - that is yours shit... AGAIN??? I'll give up kumara's in exchange for them giving up... no.... no...

I'm not stooping to that level of idiocy. WE need to get along.

We need to recognise our differewnces, cultural and othwise... and we need to stop being so bloody selfish in our respective cliques. Yes we are different, yes my ancestry introduced some things, and your ancestry introduced others...

Aren't we both clever? Shouldn't we both be grateful?

[vifferman]

BTW (I'm feeling a bit cuntly) - by rights, it should be:

Now the Maori Want Their Kumara Back

But I guess, to be really pedantic, it'd be summat all in Te Reo.

[Jimmy B]

Had them at Bowmans in Mt Eden, tasted ok but I was sick as next morning...nothing to do with the amount of red wine, no sir.

Yep Bowmans, thats it, good man.

Wouldnt have been the wine, no chance. More likely your Sushimi was undercooked.

[sAsLEX]

Makes perfect sense to me. The carrots out of my vege patch taste totally different to those of a "purchased" variety.

Surely everyone has a vege garden in their back yard???

and a plum, lemon, peach, nectarine, banana, apple ........... tree?

You sir have to big a garden,

[Jimmy B]

I wish someone could tell me where to get proper old fashioned apples - Sturmers, Northern Spy, Docherty. And real peaches, not the tasteless things they sell now.



http://allenton.co.nz/index.php

From here, not what you mentioned and a bit of a commute?

[MisterD]

why this would be even entertained in the courts is beyond me.

Because it's the Waibloodytangi Tribunal, which is an entity set up to give mowri whatever they ask for...

[Grumpy]

[QUOTE=outlawtorn;919293]why this would be even entertained in the courts is beyond me. QUOTE]

The sad thing is those that let this sort of bullshit go through the relavent channels etc, are making alot of money out of it. Those fuckwits need a kick in the head just as bad as the idiots that thought up this claim in the first place.

[NotaGoth]

We want our tax payers money back.

[Finn]

We want our tax payers money back.

Why did you give it to them in the first place?

[NotaGoth]

Why did you give it to them in the first place?

Cause I'm blonde. And they needed alcohol and drugs.

[sunhuntin]

bend a couple over, and they can have their fuckin purple spuds!
what a load of fucking garbage, and i for one have had enough! the canucks have it right...most of their natives are penned up on reserves, and hardly get out of em...dont cause no trouble either!
only native indian i saw was just like the natives of here...drunk and begging for money for more booze.
no other country would stand for this shit, to be pushed around. its a fucking vegetable for fucks sake. they cost about 1c to grow, so what the fucks the bitching about?!

[mstriumph]

..............what the fucks the bitching about?!

- well, it can't be the cereal rights ........ :dodge:

[jahmin]

You can all joke about it now, and i agree claiming the kumara seems pretty ridiculous - but before you know it they'll be claiming other ridiculous things such as foreshores, seabeds and radiowaves..


...oh wait......

[imdying]

and guess what BRO.

MAORIS AREN"T FUCKIN NATIVE TO NZ AND NEITHER WAS THE KUMARA so fuck them.

Thank you for summing it up nicely Dover.

[gijoe1313]

You can all joke about it now, and i agree claiming the kumara seems pretty ridiculous - but before you know it they'll be claiming other ridiculous things such as foreshores, seabeds and radiowaves..


...oh wait......

you forgot the space up there in orbit around the earth...and bioncle LEGO being sued for the copyright infringement of Maori designs ...and ... waitaminute...this all sounds like a bad joke! :sick: :doh: :brick:

[u4ea]

heres my rant I just sent to tvnz Closeup.......and its just my opinion people...so be kind to me.......

Thankyou for the opportunity to speak my mind on this issue.
I remember the phrase "Bridging The Gaps" that the government initiated some years ago.All it seems to have done is widened the gaps between maori and non-maori.The government has encouraged the use of the word Pakeha which has no clear definition(white skinned pig or foreiner from far away land)There is little mention of the maori word (tanuwhenua????)which is defined as Pre Maori!!!!!So if the maori have a word for a race of people which where here before the named mori ori then why are we even having this debate??Maybe if the maori gave the nordic head back..(related to Sofia of Norway..as confirmed to me by a maori elder)then maybe we as a New Zealand country may not be so divided but see the real common denominator.We all have the right to the same health,education,laws and so on so why does one particular section of the community want to segregate themselves????
The maori who want to bring about soverienty are only seeking to segregate themselves but use english (crown)laws to do it with no regard to any other culture such as hindu,celt,muslim etc. As we are a member of the United Nations it seems abhorent that the" bridging the gaps theory" is used as a means to isolate other groups of the country!!
I firmly beleive New Zealand is heading to a state of appeirteit by way of a certain part of our country using the Treaty Of Waitangi to dispose of the rights any one else whos non-maori .
The flag should signify all New Zealand ..not just one part who wish to demand,abuse and chastise the rest of the country.

[spookytooth]

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/articles.html

[TonyB]

As I understand it, claims such as this all come down to the incompetence and short sightedness of our highly paid politicians. Something to do with an Act of parliment being passed with the wording "in the spirit of the Treaty of Waitangi" With one stupid blunder, the floodgates were opened for all of the claims that piss people off- like radio and TV waves etc etc.

If you look into the history of it though, and get past the sensasionalist devisive crap that our media focus on, Maori do have some genuine greivences. It's a shame that it all has to get tainted by the ridiculous claims that our "Right Honourable" politicians unwittingly allowed to happen.

Sadly our country seems to be run be a bunch of self serving egotistical morons. We really shouldn't complain when they're behaving like children in parliment, at least when they are calling eachother names, having a good laugh, giving the finger etc it keeps them distracted and stops them from making more moronic blunders.

[nodrog]

if they take all the Kumara where will Dargaville live?

[NotaGoth]

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/articles.html


Have heard bout stuff like that before.. Also... A guy sent what was supposibly a legal document that clearly states Celtic ruins have been found that pre-date Maori.. Have also heard of sunken sailing ships that ALSO pre-date Maori....

Oh and funnily enough if I remember rightly a few of the Maori myths and legends mention "fair skinned fairies with blue eyes"... Being seen on the shores when they apparently arrived here.....

But lets not talk about that...

Apparently I'm racist simply because I'm white...

[NotaGoth]

Wheres my pakeha only scholarship.....???? Apparently I'm racist....

[Smorg]

Apparently I'm racist simply because I'm white...

and satanic

[Smorg]

Wheres my pakeha only scholarship.....

one of them would be nice though

[NotaGoth]

and satanic


No thats purely the label I've been given based on how I dress and what I'm into music wise and body art wise.... Its called being different from the so called "norm"...

Did you also hear I'm actually 40, and I get botox.. What wrinkles are left I putty them up with makeup...



"Go suck a kumara"

Now wheres my white only scholarship..

[TonyB]

Who IS this Norm guy anyway? Is he "they"?

[PuppetMaster]

Who IS this Norm guy anyway? Is he "they"?


He is at that place where "everybody knows your name".
.....Nooooooorrrrmmmmm.....

[Smorg]

Did you also hear I'm actually 40, and I get botox.. What wrinkles are left I putty them up with makeup.....

thats so hot right now

[Maha]

Let them have their kumaras, but it must be made law that they (maori) no longer have access to Pigs/Chooks or anything else introduced, oh and while im at it, leave the white mans potatoes alone also........:nono:

[sunhuntin]

Let them have their kumaras, but it must be made law that they (maori) no longer have access to Pigs/Chooks or anything else introduced, oh and while im at it, leave the white mans potatoes alone also........:nono:

thats an idea...no more fish n chips bro!!

if they want to go back to living in huts, let em. eventually the dumb fucks will destroy themselves. stick em on a bit of land with a few trees, but dont give em anything: whitemans clothing, tools, hunting/fishing gear, etc etc, and see how long they last.

i remember when they took over motua gardens here, they blamed us when one of their unattended kids drowned in the fountain. so through pure stupidity they will fade away.
they also knocked the heads off a few statues.

[TonyB]

Come on people, you can't judge all Maori by the actions of a few- it's like people assuming that all motorcyclists are gang members and criminals. The media only portray the ones who make the loudest noise and will get the best ratings- ie; piss people off. Think about it, the news only ever shows BAD news, the worst side of human nature, the disasters, accidents etc.

[Mr. Peanut]

It's a shame Maori no longer garden,the old people always had a big vege garden,and different varieties were passed down,and around.A couple of years ago I pulled into a friends place in the Naki late on a winter evening,on the bike.She knew I was coming and she gave me a plate of purple potatoes! They were a strain in her family that she recently got from an uncle,she thought they had been lost.They look and taste like an ordinary potatoe,but inside they are purple.I might see if she has kept them going,maybe I can grow some myself,and keep them active....if she doesn't mind them going out of the tribe.

Maori potatoes, there are small commercial crops of those, but they're very expensive.

[Swoop]

and a plum, lemon, peach, nectarine, banana, apple ........... tree?

You sir have to big a garden,
Hehe!
Unfortunately the tropical paradise you describe is actually just a mandarin tree (bush, actually) and an uglyfruit tree.

Mum and Dad's place on the shore had a wicked apple tree, really nice tasting apples!!! Plus a pear and also a plum tree. Alas, no more.

[sunhuntin]

Come on people, you can't judge all Maori by the actions of a few- it's like people assuming that all motorcyclists are gang members and criminals. The media only portray the ones who make the loudest noise and will get the best ratings- ie; piss people off. Think about it, the news only ever shows BAD news, the worst side of human nature, the disasters, accidents etc.

ive met very few maori who contradict what we are told. and same goes for bikers!

[TonyB]

ive met very few maori who contradict what we are told. and same goes for bikers! I've met a few. Including one woman who was so frustrated at the way some maori act that she was moved to tears. All she wanted was the 'be a kiwi'

[Mr. Peanut]

Oh and funnily enough if I remember rightly a few of the Maori myths and legends mention "fair skinned fairies with blue eyes"... Being seen on the shores when they apparently arrived here.....

Sounds like a recipe to me.

[sunhuntin]

I've met a few. Including one woman who was so frustrated at the way some maori act that she was moved to tears. All she wanted was the 'be a kiwi'

thats what i want, but the kumera fuckers wont allow it. and so long as they keep being handed shit on a silver platter, no one will be just a kiwi, itll be us the white maggots, and them, the brown faggots.

till the govt grows a fuckin spine and realises we are only new zealanders, we will be divided till the end of time.

[elle-f]

Ya know - i read the title of this thread and you have lumped us altogether based on what a couple of people have said *shrugs*........that's kinda sad. It certainly shows that there will be no "One NZ" until some attitudes have changed.

Kia Ora
Elle

[Lou Girardin]

I'm all for them having rights to their kumara. If they can identify their original strain.
Will they pay for the right to use introduced foods?

[Quasievil]

The Sad thing about this thread is the eagerness most of you show in Bundling all Maori into one group, despite the FACT it is only a small group of Maori wanting the commercial rights to the purple spud, that unfortunetly has brought out the Maori bashers amongst us, lastly those attitudes (displayed on both sides Maori and others) I refer to is largely responsible for the division in New Zealand and said attitudes are why NZ has so many racial issues and tensions. So if you are a New Zealander and you do love your country my message to you is to grow up and perhaps travel a bit so you can see how good you have got it and in the meantime think about healing our countries issues and for European Maori and other ethnic groups if you cant heal then fuck off to another country cause youre a SHITE Kiwi.

[The_Dover]

The Sad thing about this thread is the eagerness most of you show in Bundling all Maori into one group, despite the FACT it is only a small group of Maori wanting the commercial rights to the purple spud, that unfortunetly has brought out the Maori bashers amongst us, lastly those attitudes (displayed on both sides Maori and others) I refer to is largely responsible for the division in New Zealand and said attitudes are why NZ has so many racial issues and tensions. So if you are a New Zealander and you do love your country my message to you is to grow up and perhaps travel a bit so you can see how good you have got it and in the meantime think about healing our countries issues and for European Maori and other ethnic groups if you cant heal then fuck off to another country cause youre a SHITE Kiwi.

Why is it our burden to heal the racial issues caused by an apparent minority of Maori?

All most of us want is for these wankers to shut the fuck up and integrate, abiding by the same rules as every other fucker and receiving the same rights and benefits. No more no less.

There are no racial issues in New Zealand, no one is really discriminated against (bar the white man) and if you were so well travelled you'd realise this.

Put the past to bed.

[elle-f]

Quasi - thank you. That's the frustrating thing most for me. I am lumped into a basket with everybody who is Maori. It's like I don't have a view and am not an individual at all. It's stunned me a bit in a couple of these threads though at just how closed minded some people are. Certainly makes me sit up and notice for sure. It's kinda sad but I also realize that people may not be able to say these types of things away from the computer so I guess everything comes out in a forum because we are relatively anonymous. I certainly wouldn't lump the rest of kiwibiker in with the views of some in here. It's an individual thing after all.

[rwh]

Why is it our burden to heal the racial issues caused by an apparent minority of Maori?

It's only your burden to heal your own bit of it. And a negative attitude to the whole race 'caused' by the actions (mostly words, actually) of a few is certainly something that needs healing.

Richard

[elle-f]

GOOD MORNING DOVER!!

By integrate i guess you mean we all are ONE culture - which is yours? That would be a scary thing by what you have written in a few posts. I wouldn't want to see NZ as that at all. It's sad you cannot see how awesome both cultures are. You might need to actually get out there and realize that NZ as a whole is actually a great society and people accept more than just one culture. BTW I will make sure I am out of your way if ever I am on a bike ride with you :laugh:

Kia Ora e hoa!
Elle

[The_Dover]

Quasi - thank you. That's the frustrating thing most for me. I am lumped into a basket with everybody who is Maori. It's like I don't have a view and am not an individual at all. It's stunned me a bit in a couple of these threads though at just how closed minded some people are. Certainly makes me sit up and notice for sure. It's kinda sad but I also realize that people may not be able to say these types of things away from the computer so I guess everything comes out in a forum because we are relatively anonymous. I certainly wouldn't lump the rest of kiwibiker in with the views of some in here. It's an individual thing after all.

A) I didn't label you or lump you. You did that for yourself
B) Those that know me know I'd say exactly the same thing in person, probably with more cuss words too.


It's only your burden to heal your own bit of it. And a negative attitude to the whole race 'caused' by the actions (mostly words, actually) of a few is certainly something that needs healing.

Richard

I'll heal it. Stop demanding money and rights and a whole heap of other shit and it's healed.

Bully's yer uncle.

[The_Dover]

GOOD MORNING DOVER!!

By integrate i guess you mean we all are ONE culture - which is yours? That would be a scary thing by what you have written in a few posts. I wouldn't want to see NZ as that at all. It's sad you cannot see how awesome both cultures are. You might need to actually get out there and realize that NZ as a whole is actually a great society and people accept more than just one culture. BTW I will make sure I am out of your way if ever I am on a bike ride with you :laugh:

Kia Ora e hoa!
Elle

wake the fuck up you thick bitch.

I never said one culture, you're a typical fuckin maori with a chip on your shoulder about culture.

I'm not even a kiwi. I have friends of all different cultures, Muslims, islanders, indians, sri lankans all fuckin sorts. I grew up in africa (NOT SOUTH AFRICA< WEST AFRICA), england, scotland, the caribbean and lived in a number of other countries and I've been accepting and embracing different cultures since I learned to stop pissing my pants.

BUT, none of these other cultures demand recognition or demand reparation.

They love to SHARE their cultures, not force feed them.

Integrate on a social level. Abide by the same laws. Receive the same rights.

The rest I couldn't give a fuck about. I love the cultural differences in my mates.

[elle-f]

Dover Rover........

I think we see things totally differently then and it amazes me that you would say the things you say on here in person. Say, you meet me, discover I am Maori, then you go for it? MY GAWD :laugh: of course I would laugh anyhow. I have views on things as well but I would certainly make sure they are well grounded before I headed out and spouted off. Intolerance springs to mind!

Anyhow, I have to make myself up as "Aunty Rangi" and head off to the 7s! You have a great day!

Kia Ora e Hoa!
Elle

[Motu]

Maori wanting the commercial rights to the purple spud, .

The real sad thing about this thread is that still no one has read the original article linked in the first post.Six pages of racial slur over nothing.The Maori don't want the Owairaka red (purple spud) but the original pre european strain.The controvisy is whether or not the thin white flesh kumara they have is pre european or an early european strain.If they can make commercial gain over something most people,including Maori,won't eat then good on them.I'm all for saving history.

A similar story to the kuri or Maori dog - Maori ate their dogs,good protein eh bro.But they quickly interbred with european dogs,the meat became unpalatable and so the kuri was of no use to the Maori as a food source.The kuri disapeared into the canine gene pool never to be seen again.They will probably breed back to a pit bull and claim that.

[elle-f]

wake the fuck up you thick bitch.

I never said one culture, you're a typical fuckin maori with a chip on your shoulder about culture.

I'm not even a kiwi. I have friends of all different cultures, Muslims, islanders, indians, sri lankans all fuckin sorts. I grew up in africa (NOT SOUTH AFRICA< WEST AFRICA), england, scotland, the caribbean and lived in a number of other countries and I've been accepting and embracing different cultures since I learned to stop pissing my pants.

BUT, none of these other cultures demand recognition or demand reparation.

They love to SHARE their cultures, not force feed them.

Integrate on a social level. Abide by the same laws. Receive the same rights.

The rest I couldn't give a fuck about. I love the cultural differences in my mates.

Hang on - I didnt see this........you are name calling now? :laugh: Is that meant to make me sit up and listen to your drivel? I think not! In fact, it kinda makes me think that you are like a little bully who needs to yell and stomp to get anywhere. Why on earth would you call me a thick bitch? I cannot abide by what you are saying and you can't with what I am saying obviously.......maybe you just need to do the adult "Agree to Disagree" thing. That might work.

btw - Aunty Rangi in the picture is especially for you :laugh:

Again, you have a wonderful day and smile!

[judecatmad]

I joked a bit earlier on in this thread but in all honesty, I really do wish everyone could just get along regardless of race or religion.

In the same way that the Islamic Fundementalists cause problems for the rest of the Muslim polpulation (and, regrettably, the Sikhs, who have stuff all to do with any of the problems going on in the world..), so too do those Maoris who keep insisting on having this, that and the other given "back" to them.

I accept that it is just the militant minority screaming about their 'heritage' and their 'rights', but it is a bit like a stuck record. Why can't the govt just put an end to all claims under the Treaty by saying 'no more, enough is enough'. Then surely we'd all HAVE to get along cos there'd be none of this "OMG, listen to what the Maoris want now *sigh*" and none of the retaliation that inevitably follows.

Then, surely, we could get on with the business of building this country up, side by side, rather than keep dragging it down into the dark ages.

I always wished for the same back in the UK. So much of the racial tension was caused by certain groups appearing to be given more rights, or more benefits, or more of whatever is the latest crap to be given. At a grass roots level, most people (barring those people who have truly weird views on how to treat those not from the same gene pool) are more than happy to get along quite nicely with anyone. It's the governments giving credence to claims of "I'm entitled to this because of *insert perceived race/religious need here*" - treat everyone as equals, don't allow the race card to be used, don't allow the religion card to be used. Level the playing field, give everyone the same opportunities, let everyone's consequences be the same if they don't make use of those opportunities.

I'll get some grief for this post because I know we'll never live happily together, it's human nature to think that you're entitled to more for whatever reason and to be pissed off with those who stake claims based on their perception - but it'd be nice if we could just try.

And yes, that includes having the Maori militants letting the past go and moving on.

(hell, if I can learn to accept the French then there's hope for EVERYONE!!!! :rofl:)

[The_Dover]

Dover Rover........

I think we see things totally differently then and it amazes me that you would say the things you say on here in person. Say, you meet me, discover I am Maori, then you go for it? MY GAWD :laugh: of course I would laugh anyhow. I have views on things as well but I would certainly make sure they are well grounded before I headed out and spouted off. Intolerance springs to mind!

Anyhow, I have to make myself up as "Aunty Rangi" and head off to the 7s! You have a great day!

Kia Ora e Hoa!
Elle

What kind of response was that? Do you have anything to even base your accusations of intolerance on?

Why would I go for anything if I discovered you were maori? I'd only go for it if you started demanding to be treated differently because you are maori.

Otherwise I'd probably just give you shit about being fat, ugly or stupid.

And riding a fucking shit bike.

[elle-f]

Gee - calling me fat, ugly and stupid and riding a shit bike? :laugh: It's wonderful you are like this Brad Pitt kind of guy who rides an amazing bike yourself then isn't it. Great response! Again, Have a wonderful day :)

[The_Dover]

Gee - calling me fat, ugly and stupid and riding a shit bike? :laugh: It's wonderful you are like this Brad Pitt kind of guy who rides an amazing bike yourself then isn't it. Great response! Again, Have a wonderful day :)

Nah, I'm taller than Brad.

I wasn't calling you that and if you stop and take the chip off your shoulder and actually read my posts you will see that I do not wish to judge people by labels based on culture, ethnicity or any other grouping.

I was saying that that is how I'd treat you, taking the piss out of you, and treating you like any other person.

I do not see any need to have differentiators. You obviously do.

[elle-f]

Dover, you will see that I too don't care about the culture of a person when I meet them. I find it interesting but thats not what makes up a person. People don't see me and immediately think MAORI either- I wouldn't want them to do that. I have had people talk to me about things Maori and if i dont know them - i actually find it a bore! I would rather talk about other things. A main part of my job is to accept other cultures and build on the similarities. I wouldnt want the children to be differentiated in any other way. They don't see me as Maori either - they see me as a teacher first and foremost - they also might see me as a fat, ugly thick bitch - but they keep that quiet :laugh:

MY GAWD - i am late.

Kia Ora e Hoa
Elle

[avgas]

GOOD MORNING DOVER!!
By integrate i guess you mean we all are ONE culture - which is yours? That would be a scary thing by what you have written in a few posts. I wouldn't want to see NZ as that at all. It's sad you cannot see how awesome both cultures are. You might need to actually get out there and realize that NZ as a whole is actually a great society and people accept more than just one culture. BTW I will make sure I am out of your way if ever I am on a bike ride with you :laugh:
Kia Ora e hoa!
Elle

Hate to point and say - WTF!
But you seem to be the only person who isn't integrating. There are more cultures here than just Maori and English. Look out the damn window.
Its all a big compromise of english, french, maori, polynesian, american, chinese, korean, russian, italian.............. so please people - if you think your culture is the greatest go live in a box.

[McJim]

S'funny - there are parts of Scotland that cling to a dead language that has no use outside of a few towns - most of us have moved on from that (some of whom went on to invent TV, telephone, Tarmac, penicillin etc.) I'm not actually making a comment about Maori Culture here but my experience of New Zealanders reading what's not there and then claiming to be PLAIN TALKING will probably cause this post to be an insult to Maori *sigh*.

Dover was basically saying in his usual fashion.

"I will know you before I judge you - if you are an idiot Iwill call you an idiot regardless of race, creed, colour or religion."

e.g. he calls me a fat white c*nt.

[Disco Dan]

Im a full blooded Englishman...

*looks for any full blooded Maori*

[elle-f]

Hate to point and say - WTF!
But you seem to be the only person who isn't integrating. There are more cultures here than just Maori and English. Look out the damn window.
Its all a big compromise of english, french, maori, polynesian, american, chinese, korean, russian, italian.............. so please people - if you think your culture is the greatest go live in a box.

Sorry. As i was talking to Dover about Maori and Kiwi thats all i mentioned. As you will be able to see by other posts of mine that I do talk about NZ being multicultural but didnt think i would bring it into that particular post if thats ok with you *L*

[Lissa]

wake the fuck up you thick bitch.

I never said one culture, you're a typical fuckin maori with a chip on your shoulder about culture.
I just cant believe someone would talk with such disregard for someones feelings like that. He can judge her when he meets her. Elle is a friggin awesome teacher who talks about her kids with such passion and compassion!!


BUT, none of these other cultures demand recognition or demand reparation.Neither does she!! But she is allowed to be proud of her roots.

Sorry elle... this got me angry!!

btw I'm from viking desent.... YAY for raping and pillaging

[The_Dover]

I just cant believe someone would talk with such disregard for someones feelings like that. He can judge her when he meets her. Elle is a friggin awesome teacher who talks about her kids with such passion and compassion!!

Neither does she!! But she is allowed to be proud of her roots.

Sorry elle... this got me angry!!

btw I'm from viking desent.... YAY for raping and pillaging

did you read the rest of the posts or just the one where the nasty man shouted at the poor woman?

what the fuck has her being a teacher, good bad or otherwise, got to do with this fucking debate? I'm great at my job and do also do a great bbq, but that is irrelevant here.

She can be proud of her fucking roots, I never denied her that, but she cant force them on anyone else or demand to be treated differently for it.

Fucking hippies and do gooders. Focus on the actual fucking issue which is inequality and demand for reparatation, albeit mainly by a small group of militant maori, but you dickheads seem to be defending them and their perceived right.

[Disco Dan]

Focus on the actual fucking issue which is inequality and demand for reparatation, albeit mainly by a small group of militant maori, but you dickheads seem to be defending them and their perceived right.

:not: :not: :not: :not: :not:

[elle-f]

did you read the rest of the posts or just the one where the nasty man shouted at the poor woman?

what the fuck has her being a teacher, good bad or otherwise, got to do with this fucking debate? I'm great at my job and do also do a great bbq, but that is irrelevant here.

She can be proud of her fucking roots, I never denied her that, but she cant force them on anyone else or demand to be treated differently for it.

Fucking hippies and do gooders. Focus on the actual fucking issue which is inequality and demand for reparatation, albeit mainly by a small group of militant maori, but you dickheads seem to be defending them and their perceived right.

Um Dover - you need to settle.....I just popped in because there ARE other views out there that are a little different to yours mate. I have no idea why you think I am forcing my views on you - I haven't done that and I wouldn't waste my time but seeing you blithering your side made me want to blither mine! Fair's fair in the MB! All I have done is exactly what you are doing but in a more acceptable manner - and stating where I am coming from is all. There is no need for name calling as you seem to think its the thing to do - well, good on you but hell, it's kind of out there :laugh:

There is inequality no matter where you look and what side you are on. We both see that and ya know, if I were not Maori I probably would agree with you to a certain degree but I wouldn't be so militant about it because its really not getting you anywhere. You are just speaking to the converted anyhow. As for reparation - I guess the government saw the papers of the confiscations and thought that maybe the paper trail justified it huh! I know my tribe is doing VERY well thank you - Kia Ora Kai Tahu!! We got the money by going through the courts and digging into paperwork - nothing more.

Anyhow, again, you have a wonderful night! :)
Kia Ora e Hoa
Elle

[sunhuntin]

Fucking hippies and do gooders. Focus on the actual fucking issue which is inequality and demand for reparatation, albeit mainly by a small group of militant maori, but you dickheads seem to be defending them and their perceived right.

im with dan on this one! :first: hell, i want dover for prime minister!

there are some who are ok, but they aint the ones getting headlines. the fact still stands there are some who bitch bitch bitch. fine...have your goddam spuds. but we want everything introduced back. housing, clothing, food, BENEFITS, every single thing. go back to your maraes, speak the language no one can agree on the spelling of, hunt the kiwi and other native critters to extinction, but dont come back and bitch when youre starving.

[elle-f]

im with dan on this one! :first: hell, i want dover for prime minister!

there are some who are ok, but they aint the ones getting headlines. the fact still stands there are some who bitch bitch bitch. fine...have your goddam spuds. but we want everything introduced back. housing, clothing, food, BENEFITS, every single thing. go back to your maraes, speak the language no one can agree on the spelling of, hunt the kiwi and other native critters to extinction, but dont come back and bitch when youre starving.

um.... are you referring to ALL Maori or those that are in the headlines? If you think this way - where do the other cultures go to? Do the English go back to England, Do the Welsh, Scots, Irish go back to their countries? What happens if you have more than one country of origin? I think you outta think before you spout:laugh:

I am happy at my Marae, I speak Maori and no other Maori seems to think I speak it wrong - they understand me and there is never an issue, We didn't write anyhow as it's an oral language, We were never hunting to extinction - we were self sufficient and amazingly didn't have to have quota either because we used sustainability and conservation, and I hardly think Maori in those days starved:laugh: Talking about houses etc that you want back - do you really think Maori were not trading BEFORE the British arrived? I suggest you take a look at some history! We were heading overseas and had huge trading ports anyhow so one would think.......that we would have had everything that we needed anyhow.

Anyhow, again, we see things differently. I love that NZ has many cultures! It's an awesome thing. Of course I am not speaking for any other Maori in this forum - I speak only for myself because I wouldn't want anybody else speaking for me.

[The_Dover]

I am happy at my Marae, I speak Maori and no other Maori seems to think I speak it wrong - they understand me and there is never an issue, We didn't write anyhow as it's an oral language,


is your marae self sufficient? do you get stoned there? if you phone for pizza do your order in maori?

We were never hunting to extinction - we were self sufficient and amazingly didn't have to have quota either because we used sustainability and conservation, and I hardly think Maori in those days starved:laugh:

shame your main source of protein, due to lack of other mammals of edible size, was each other.



I speak only for myself because I wouldn't want anybody else speaking for me.

I wish you'd shut up. OR start speaking in fuckin maori so I at least don't understand

[elle-f]

Dover are you firing AGAIN??? It amazes me just how angry you are. Are you like this in real life because I would imagine that you swore, name called and hit anybody that didn't agree with your narrow views:laugh: You actually make me laugh.

Here is the shame........I understand what you are saying. Now, I thought you were leaving this alone and heading off. Seems that you have changed your mind for whatever reason.

If you care to respond.....I don't actually understand what it is that you are getting so pissed off about. Is it because I am saying something that I believe in as you do? Is it because I don't agree with your stance on things? Is it because I just don't agree with the tone you are using? Is it because I didn't get angry at your name calling when you said I was fat and ugly? Is it because you want me? HAHAHA

What stuns me is this Dover. During the holidays I met somebody who I have met before off this site and your name was mentioned as being a great guy. They had met you in real life. I kept that in the back of my mind during the past couple of days but it's getting harder to see that - honestly. I guess the name calling kind of did it for me and the amount of swearing and bullying tactics you are trying to use on me. The reason I don't react is because it's kind of playground stuff:laugh:

Now, before you swear at me again or name call or whatever tactic you are going to use - I am not going to go anywhere. I have the same right as you have to be in this thread or any other thread and quite frankly, I responded because there was another view that needed to be put out there. I could have chosen to keep quiet but hell, I musta been bored at the time and decided to post.

IF you want me to shut up - I suggest YOU do and then all will be quiet :laugh:

Have the most wonderful night if you do decide to be quiet.

Kia Ora e hoa
Elle

[Ixion]

We were never hunting to extinction - we were self sufficient and amazingly didn't have to have quota either because we used sustainability and conservation, and I hardly think Maori in those days starved:laugh:


Sorry, yes they did starve. Starvation was common in Pre European NZ, and a primary factor in the endemic tribal warfare. And the historical evidence seems fairly conclusive that Maori hunted the Moa into extinction (not hard, it was an evolutionary dead end, and the Maori desparately needed protein)



Talking about houses etc that you want back - do you really think Maori were not trading BEFORE the British arrived? I suggest you take a look at some history! We were heading overseas and had huge trading ports anyhow so one would think.......that we would have had everything that we needed anyhow.

,,.

Sources please. I am not aware of any reputable authority for ANY form of external trading by pre European Maori (pre ToW , certainly - my ancestors amonst them. But that's quite a different matter. The ToW concluded a chapter, it diodn't begin one)

[elle-f]

ya know - we could argue this till the cows come home and we are never going to agree. We both have different sources and experiences and what we were told. It's that agreeing to disagree thing! Again, I am not going to change anybody's views in this thread and it's really a waste of time trying to. I know there was poverty and hardship but I also know there were thriving communities much like today. I am just bloody glad I didn't live in those days - I wouldn't have survived for sure!

[spookytooth]

http://www.zealand.org.nz/history.htm

[sunhuntin]

yanno...sometimes i wish us english had waited a couple hundred years before coming here. then we wouldnt have all this crap!

and yeh..maori isnt a written language; why the bitching over whether my home town has an "H" in it or not? if it wasnt written, then it could be spelt any old way and still be correct.

extinction: the others have spoken for me. you cant blame the big eagles and tar pits for the amazing lack of moa. or the lack of big eagles for that matter [these were pointed out to me by an american actually] whered they go? hmmmm......

self sufficient? why then, did we whites get the blame when an unsupervised maori child drowned in the moutua fountain during the bullshit occupation? they made the council fill in the fountain, after letting their own kid drown and knocking the head of a statue. they cant even watch a kid while sittin on their asses and blame everyone else.

if the europeans had waited a few hundred years, you would not exist. your "power things" would be sunk into the earth and no evidence would remain. just like the blonde and blue fairy things mentioned a few pages back. wonder where they went? same as the moa perhaps?

and yeh...im referring to those in the headlines, cos there dont seem to be many "just wanna be kiwi maoris" in the news. wonder why?? :whocares:

[candor]

Sources please. I am not aware of any reputable authority for ANY form of external trading by pre European Maori (pre ToW , certainly - my ancestors amonst them. But that's quite a different matter. The ToW concluded a chapter, it diodn't begin one)

What is reputable - oral history, carved history or only written. When at polytech they bought that phoenician or sumerian bird the Maori have round for us to touch. Its been with Maori an eternity - hmmm.

Also the cave paintings of elephants down Nelson way were supposedly pre European. Kumara - evidence of trade with South America.

Oral histories or return trips to Pacific Islands which fed into the Maori bloodlines. And then there is the hidden archaeological finds of metal gear, coffins etc. Used by co-habitors of Maori or perhaps simply items traded.
Bells off Spanish ships I think are another one.

New Zealand does have a rich history most of which is suppressed without need for PC reasons. I remember a scholar tour guide saying as much when he took my class on a trip round Canterbury museum when I was 5.

Oh to hunt thru the non displayed items. NZ is not alone in this, I know for a fact it occurs elsewhere eg the dead sea scrolls were long hidden from public scrutiny by corrupted academics after discovery.

Professional reputations of Uni people who got tenure and rep based on certain theories are one reason why the truth is often by the wayside.

Incidentally a major eruption at some point is said to have helped extinctions along, those giant eagles went around 1400 I think - not sure of eruption year. Fires of Tamatea another factor.

Oh I forgot. BEFORE THE TREATY SIGNING MAORI HAD 200 SHIPS REGISTERED IN AUCKLAND - EXPORTING
FLAX/FLOUR ETC. DOING VERY WELL TA, UPSKILLED BY MULTIMATIONAL M8'S - UNTIL THE PRIME LAND
CONFISCATIONS BY JEALOUS ASSHOLES

[elle-f]

Ya know Candor - btw I think I am in love - we must read the same things :laugh: I really just think that in a forum that has a tone like this that anything that you say - is going to get thrown back.

[Ixion]

What is reputable - oral history, carved history or only written. When at polytech they bought that phoenician or sumerian bird the Maori have round for us to touch. Its been with Maori an eternity - hmmm.


Phoenica long predates maori themselves. If there was any contact between Phoenica (and it most unlikely that there was direct contact rather than through an intermediatary) it was betwene the Phoenicians and Polynesians or Asian ancestors of the Maori.


Also the cave paintings of elephants down Nelson way were supposedly pre European.

And supposedly pre Maori also



Kumara - evidence of trade with South America.


Certainly not evidence. The entire argument of this thread is that the NZ kumara species were unique. If they came from South America that whole argument fails . Plants spread by many means, not just trade.



Oral histories or return trips to Pacific Islands which fed into the Maori bloodlines. And then there is the hidden archaeological finds of metal gear, coffins etc. Used by co-habitors of Maori or perhaps simply items traded.
Bells off Spanish ships I think are another one.


Polynesian islands, I may grant you. Ships bells etc do not establish trade, merely that (perhaps) a European ship, pre Tasman , was wrecked here.

,,
To establish trade , you need to show evidence at BOTH ends. ie if A trades with B, then both A and B will have some record of the fact. If the Maori were trading with other races, then those other races should have some memory or record of the fact. I know of no indication that any other (non polynesian) race had any reference at all to Maoris pre Tasman.

[candor]

Ok you got me - one brass bell and a sumeria bird in a kumera tree doth not a booming trade industry maketh. I tried.

[Nicksta]

ffs, when is this stupidity going to end?

[avgas]

ffs, when is this stupidity going to end?

When the yanks or chinese take over

[RC1]

if they take all the Kumara where will Dargaville live?

probably at the toka toka pub,

[u4ea]

In early 2000, Denis Welch, journalist for The New Zealand Listener Magazine, sought official sanction to formally visit the structures of the Waipoua Forest. He was immediately 'advised by DOC to get clearance from Te Roroa'. Parties are directed by DOC to consult with one, Alex Nathan, who invariably refuses entry. Denis Welch was told that he was not permitted to inspect the ruins.
If people wish to seek Te Roroa approval to visit these non-Maori structures then they are advised to consult with other, more reasonable and spiritual, Te Roroa members. This author has Te Roroa approval to visit the sites at any time he wishes and almost always goes to the structures with Te Roroa Iwi companions.
In 1999, a film crew from Greenstone Pictures, making a documentary for TV1 titled, Who Was Here First, politely asked to film the structures. They also were refused by the Nathan's and had to resort to filming Noel Hilliam's old photographs for Waipoua Forest footage.
Mike Havoc, New Zealand television personality, requested that this author take him to see and film the structures. His producer insisted upon getting "approval"...therefore, nothing ever eventuated.
Where are the real carbon dating figures, related to the Waipoua Forest archaeological dig, seen by Noel Hilliam in the 1980's?
The Waipoua Forest sites are still on public land, administered by the Department of Conservation and it is the right of all New Zealanders to hike throughout the area, with no known legal restriction posted by the Archaeological Division of DOC.
Despite this, visitors to the area, wishing to visit the ruins, are oftimes followed by carloads of locals who threaten them with violence if they don't leave the area. Other's, returning to their vehicles after visiting the ruins, find threatening notes left by the self-proclaimed owners. One recent note (3rd of July 2001) stated:

you have entered this area without prior authority and act as thieves the next time you do this you will be treated as such and suffer loss

13/7/2001

my concern is the maori demand respect for their maraes(meeting houses)and sacred grounds(tapu)yet I am not allowed into a sacred part where my ancestors may be resting????????hell I even have to visit a marae as part of the corricullum........
I am soooooooo sick of all the bullshit and non sensicle data I have no choice but to do .............

[Switch]

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHAAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[Lou Girardin]

We didn't write anyhow as it's an oral language, We were never hunting to extinction - we were self sufficient and amazingly didn't have to have quota either because we used sustainability and conservation, and I hardly think Maori in those days starved:laugh: Talking about houses etc that you want back - do you really think Maori were not trading BEFORE the British arrived? I suggest you take a look at some history! We were heading overseas and had huge trading ports anyhow so one would think.......that we would have had everything that we needed anyhow.



Dear oh dear, you have been captured by the 'official' Maori history haven't you?
Why hasn't evidence of the "huge trading ports" been found? Where are the ocean-going freight wakas?
Did the Moa's commit suicide?
Who's hunting the Kereru onto the endangered list?
Who's stripping the Paua beds?
A grip on reality is needed.

[Disco Dan]

Kumura? bah!

Stop selling Pies in New Zealand... that will start a riot.

[Grahameeboy]

Dover are you firing AGAIN??? It amazes me just how angry you are. Are you like this in real life because I would imagine that you swore, name called and hit anybody that didn't agree with your narrow views:laugh: You actually make me laugh.

Here is the shame........I understand what you are saying. Now, I thought you were leaving this alone and heading off. Seems that you have changed your mind for whatever reason.

If you care to respond.....I don't actually understand what it is that you are getting so pissed off about. Is it because I am saying something that I believe in as you do? Is it because I don't agree with your stance on things? Is it because I just don't agree with the tone you are using? Is it because I didn't get angry at your name calling when you said I was fat and ugly? Is it because you want me? HAHAHA

What stuns me is this Dover. During the holidays I met somebody who I have met before off this site and your name was mentioned as being a great guy. They had met you in real life. I kept that in the back of my mind during the past couple of days but it's getting harder to see that - honestly. I guess the name calling kind of did it for me and the amount of swearing and bullying tactics you are trying to use on me. The reason I don't react is because it's kind of playground stuff:laugh:

Now, before you swear at me again or name call or whatever tactic you are going to use - I am not going to go anywhere. I have the same right as you have to be in this thread or any other thread and quite frankly, I responded because there was another view that needed to be put out there. I could have chosen to keep quiet but hell, I musta been bored at the time and decided to post.

IF you want me to shut up - I suggest YOU do and then all will be quiet :laugh:

Have the most wonderful night if you do decide to be quiet.

Kia Ora e hoa
Elle

Actually he is just like this on the site..............he likes to stir............he is a good guy.....just one of those 'secret lives of men' types

[SwanTiger]

I see a lot of people are concerned about Maori expecting to be treated differently, for example Dover. I think he has a very valid point, I'd love to be treated like everyone else however because I am half Maori and have a Maori name I am not.

Here is an example, when I wen't on my first Kiwi Biker ride I encountered a number of members. One of those members afterwards confined in me that his first impression was "Some south Auckland Maori guy who had won this brand new bike in a raffle or something". Remember that Titty wank?

However I will always be treated differently and I've grown to love it. I love it when the police pull me over in one of my BMW's under the impression I've stolen it! I love it when people scoff at the fact I'm part Maori when they ask where my name originates from.

Here is another story: Go into fill up at BP, its really busy, go in and pay for the gas however the person before us didn't pay. On the camera it shows that person as being white and I'm obviously part Maori. So the manager automatically claims that we didn't pay, doesn't bother to look at the camera over the till to see we did! It was sorted in seconds, however it still doesn't justify the embarrasment the next time we go to fill up and the manager comes running out screaming "I'VE GOT YOU ON CAMERA DOING A DRIVE OFF YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE".

That racist whore has since been fired.

If people like you DOVER, want equality, start looking in your own back yard.

No one cares how cultured you are or how many Maori friends you have.

[Flatcap]

Who's stripping the Paua beds?
.

That would be Asians, wouldn't it?

[The_Dover]

Actually he is just like this on the site..............he likes to stir............he is a good guy.....just one of those 'secret lives of men' types

don't start besmirching my bad name you sausage jockey.

[The_Dover]

I see a lot of people are concerned about Maori expecting to be treated differently, for example Dover. I think he has a very valid point, I'd love to be treated like everyone else however because I am half Maori and have a Maori name I am not.

Here is an example, when I wen't on my first Kiwi Biker ride I encountered a number of members. One of those members afterwards confined in me that his first impression was "Some south Auckland Maori guy who had won this brand new bike in a raffle or something". Remember that Titty wank?

However I will always be treated differently and I've grown to love it. I love it when the police pull me over in one of my BMW's under the impression I've stolen it! I love it when people scoff at the fact I'm part Maori when they ask where my name originates from.

Here is another story: Go into fill up at BP, its really busy, go in and pay for the gas however the person before us didn't pay. On the camera it shows that person as being white and I'm obviously part Maori. So the manager automatically claims that we didn't pay, doesn't bother to look at the camera over the till to see we did! It was sorted in seconds, however it still doesn't justify the embarrasment the next time we go to fill up and the manager comes running out screaming "I'VE GOT YOU ON CAMERA DOING A DRIVE OFF YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE".

That racist whore has since been fired.

If people like you DOVER, want equality, start looking in your own back yard.

No one cares how cultured you are or how many Maori friends you have.

don't you think there is a reason for your tales of prejudice?

you start wanking on to us about how it's a minority of maori that want special treatment but do you really think that the experiences you have had are the majority of your experience with us honkies?

perhaps it's your age that has something to do with it too Anaru? most people that drive round in big flash cars have pubes.

[SwanTiger]

don't you think there is a reason for your tales of prejudice?

you start wanking on to us about how it's a minority of maori that want special treatment but do you really think that the experiences you have had are the majority of your experience with us honkies?

perhaps it's your age that has something to do with it too Anaru? most people that drive round in big flash cars have pubes.
I'm not saying that it is the majority of my experiences, I only want to point out that equality has to come from both sides and a fucked Government like our own doesn't help change the mentality a lot of people have.

Perhaps my age does have something to do with it, however none of my friends who are 18 as well and dress a lot more to their age bracket get pulled over and have the Officer run checks on the vin and engine number.

Regardless, I still think I have a point and you do too.

The flipside is that when I go down the line to see my more tanned side of the family they treat me like I'm some white honky with money or in a term "towny". Fucken annoys the shit out of me.

Has your woman dropped her payload yet?

[The_Dover]

I'm not saying that it is the majority of my experiences, I only want to point out that equality has to come from both sides and a fucked Government like our own doesn't help change the mentality a lot of people have.

Perhaps my age does have something to do with it, however none of my friends who are 18 as well and dress a lot more to their age bracket get pulled over and have the Officer run checks on the vin and engine number.

Regardless, I still think I have a point and you do too.

The flipside is that when I go down the line to see my more tanned side of the family they treat me like I'm some white honky with money or in a term "towny". Fucken annoys the shit out of me.

Has your woman dropped her payload yet?

Nah, she's still packing.

Mate, I get the scruffy white trash treatment too sometimes. Which really pisses me off when I'm trying spend money!

You know my points are valid, everybody should have the same rights and entitlements.

Fucking honky.

[kro]

It's too late to give them back, I have already sucked a kumara, and now it's got spit on it. They wont want it now surely?.

[Lou Girardin]

That would be Asians, wouldn't it?

Gangs.:ar15:

[Disco Dan]

Mr Potato Head - Mr Kumara head