10kmh speed tolerance is gone

[thehovel]

The herald today http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10422267
Around schools the tolerance is 4km and the national 10km has been slashed to 5km. :gob: Mr Plod has not started to police it YET,BE WARNED!!!!!!!this will only catch the rider/driver who is just ploding along blissfully unaware until snap that will be 10 demerit points:angry: and $80 thankyou!!!! Regards Richard:innocent:

[Karma]

Sorry, but wrong.

It was cut from 10kph to 5kph 'in a school area'

The national 10kph still applies.

[Deviant Esq]

Did you even read the article Weasel? And on what basis do you believe that the national 10km/h over the limit "grace" still applies? Just as an aside, I happen to believe the 10km/h grace still applies too, but I have nothing to back that up, so I'd be interested to hear what you're basing your statement on.

[Donor]

Did you even read the article Weasel? And on what basis do you believe that the national 10km/h over the limit "grace" still applies? Just as an aside, I happen to believe the 10km/h grace still applies too, but I have nothing to back that up, so I'd be interested to hear what you're basing your statement on.

"Starting next Wednesday, the police will enforce a 4km/h tolerance within 250m of school and preschool boundaries - a further reduction following last year's slashing of the 10km/h tolerance to 5km/h"

That's the part that would lead ME to believe the status quo remains nationally...

But then, I *AM* a bit sober at the moment, so may not comprehend the article fully...

[Deviant Esq]

But then, I *AM* a bit sober at the moment, so may not comprehend the article fully...

:oi-grr: :corn: :apint:

I need a beer too.

Original post edited coz Deviant was stupid and didn't read. Thanks for coming.

[Karma]

Did you even read the article Weasel? And on what basis do you believe that the national 10km/h over the limit "grace" still applies? Just as an aside, I happen to believe the 10km/h grace still applies too, but I have nothing to back that up, so I'd be interested to hear what you're basing your statement on.

There's nothing in that article stating a reduction in the national tolerance.


"Starting next Wednesday, the police will enforce a 4km/h tolerance within 250m of school and preschool boundaries - a further reduction following last year's slashing of the 10km/h tolerance to 5km/h"

That's the part that would lead ME to believe the status quo remains nationally...

Precisely, it's all in the wording, there is nothing in there saying national, so it's still referring to the schoolzone lowering. The general idea as far as I'm aware is that speedos can read out anything in the region of +/- 10%, this has always been taken to mean 10kph, but for all intents and purposes the police could quite happily say that in a 50kph zone, if you speedo is reading 60kph then your car/bike should have failed it's WOF for over-reading it's speed by 20%. Therefore when they set the limit to 4kph tolerance in a 40kph zone, that's still giving you the 10% that your speedo may be out by.

Follow this logically, and if they only gave you 5kph in a 100kph zone, that's only 5%, and it'd be far too easy for a speedo to be out by at least that amount without a driver realising.

[Deviant Esq]

I just realized, I'm a total doofus. Good one, Deviant. I think it's me who wasn't reading it properly. Apologies Donor & Weasel! I think I'll go edit my other post now. I wasn't thinking about the fact that the whole thing was to do with the speed tolerance around schools. Fool. So the national tolerance when you're not around a school, I think it can safely be stated, is still 10km/h.

Sorry. :bye:

[Sketchy_Racer]

How the fuck can they make it less than 10kph??

Vehicle manufactures have a 10% +/- tolerance in thier speedo!!

That means Mr joe blog might be doing 102 on his speedo, yet that'll be 112, and he'll get nabbed!!

But i definatly agree with the school area. I've seen some scary shit happen around schools with dipshits driving too fast/not looking.

[PuppetMaster]

But i definatly agree with the school area. I've seen some scary shit happen around schools with dipshits driving too fast/not looking.



I think they should close the schools down....oh....dont worry:dodge:

[yungatart]

I think (prepares to be flamed here) that school zones should be signposted as such and the speed limit within those zones should be 30 kph.

[Karma]

Perhaps, personally my belief is that schools wouldn't be a problem if all these tards in remuera tractors didn't drive their single kid the 500 metres to school.

Perhaps a school bus system similar to the yellow buses you see in the states would be better? The only trouble with lowering the limit is that there are no kids around other than 8:30 - 9:00 and 15:00-16:00 ish, but the limit would still apply.

[pervert]

this will only catch the rider/driver who is just ploding along blissfully unaware until snap that will be 10 demerit points:angry: and $80 thankyou!!!! Regards Richard:innocent:

Ummm, isn't the fine for 0-10km over the limit $30...not $80?

[elle-f]

I am with you yunga on the speed limit around schools being posted. That would save a lot of problems. At the school I work in, our patrols are on state highway 2 and it's amazing the amount of cars who race through doing more than 50.

[McJim]

solidarity Brothers - a united campaign of non payment (worked in the UK for the poll tax) and lets face it - they may try and they may tell us they can but they can't catch us all!

[Karma]

solidarity Brothers - a united campaign of non payment (worked in the UK for the poll tax) and lets face it - they may try and they may tell us they can but they can't catch us all!

Unless you're a pansy scottsman on a 250 :scooter:

[Deviant Esq]

Isn't it signposted with those electronic speed limit signs? There's a school in Christchurch, I forget which one - actually probably more than one - that has signs that light up with a red ring (like a normal speed limit sign) and 30 in the middle, large letters, blinking lights and all that carry on, with the words School Zone underneath. The 30 signs are activated between about 8am and 9am, I think maybe at lunch time, and again at 3pm to 4pm.

Most of the drivers I see doing stupid shit around schools are the ones actually picking up their kids. They're often double parking, or pulling out in a hurry to get into a gap, or something dumb like that. They'd be beside themselves with rage if it happened to one of their own kids, but some just don't think when they're behind the wheel themsleves.

[Karma]

Isn't it signposted with those electronic speed limit signs? There's a school in Christchurch, I forget which one - actually probably more than one - that has signs that light up with a red ring (like a normal speed limit sign) and 30 in the middle, large letters, blinking lights and all that carry on, with the words School Zone underneath. The 30 signs are activated between about 8am and 9am, I think maybe at lunch time, and again at 3pm to 4pm.

That would make sense, I've never seen any personally.

[HRT]

Agree with Weasel on the +/- 10% thing as that was where the original 10% margin came from (I thought). Though in saying that, the majority of cars will be reading under anyway so its much more likely that someone will be going along at 112 on the speedo and actually be doing 105 anyway

Wonder how much difference tread on the tyres makes... chunky new road tyres with say 9mm tread all round makes an extra 18mm of diameter...

[McJim]

I don't think there should be any special speed limits round schools at 2am - I've never seen any kids around at that time. I live in Auckland though so I'm more likely to find the kids hanging around the P dealers' houses and glue sniffing parks anyway.

Anyone who's ridden with me will know that I observe speed limits in towns anyway and only wring the nuts of the bike on the open road (countryside).

[avgas]

*The 40km/h speed limit applies only in the 35 minutes before the start of school and for 20 minutes at the end of school, starting five minutes before the final bell."

nice concept, but not everything is small communitys etc anymore so i wont work.
Most of the cops i see round these areas at this time are doing 50....not 44.

[thehovel]

"Starting next Wednesday, the police will enforce a 4km/h tolerance within 250m of school and preschool boundaries - a further reduction following last year's slashing of the 10km/h tolerance to 5km/h"
This is a direct Quote from the artical. In the South Island Mr Plod complained (when the speed cameras first came out) that 10km was too much grace so just to prove it please ride through Palmerston at 56km in front of their Mr Plod. Please do it before mid February Because I am doing a southern tour then. Purely for research of cause. regards Richard:innocent:

[bell]

"School speed zones" have been around in various states of Australia for some time. If they use signs like these in NZ then there's no excuse - otherwise there's every chance that the non-TV watching/newspaper reading folk amongst us will miss their ad campaigns that make road users aware of the new rules.

[Crisis management]

I have seen signs similar in Onehunga (Auckland) complete with flashing orange lights. They are really obvious and effective, traffic slows to a crawl.....so, coming to a school near you?

I don't believe the 10km/hr "grace" exists in any formal way, I was speed camera'd last year at 56km in a 50 zone, which came as a bit of a surprise!!
So probably the 10km tolerance is one thats applied in a practical manner but I wouldn't like to rely on it in court.

[Da Bird]

I have seen signs similar in Onehunga (Auckland) complete with flashing orange lights. They are really obvious and effective, traffic slows to a crawl.....so, coming to a school near you?

I don't believe the 10km/hr "grace" exists in any formal way, I was speed camera'd last year at 56km in a 50 zone, which came as a bit of a surprise!!
So probably the 10km tolerance is one thats applied in a practical manner but I wouldn't like to rely on it in court.

The 10km/hr tolerance is general police policy, however it doesn't prevent a cop giving out a ticket for speeding less than 10km/hr over the limit if he/she thinks its justified. It is not law so you would be right in saying you couldn't rely on it in court.

[Karma]

The one thing I've always found funny, we have that 10kph grace period to cover any potential problems with speedo readings, so in 50kph areas, every runs around at 60kph... are we saying that everyone has perfectly functioning speedos?

[Cajun]

"School speed zones" have been around in various states of Australia for some time. If they use signs like these in NZ then there's no excuse - otherwise there's every chance that the non-TV watching/newspaper reading folk amongst us will miss their ad campaigns that make road users aware of the new rules.

I agree, aa great idea. These signs show you the area the speed limit applies to and the times it applies - no ambiguity there.

[Coyote]

Going fast outside schools is try hard. Ridiculous. I always stick to the limit or slightly under near a school

The odd time I rev a bit outside my school, but I stick to the limit

[Karma]

I'd be very interested to see that data on the loads of people that were ticketed for speeding around schools recently.

How many of those people were parents of children at those schools?

[NighthawkNZ]

The tolerance of 4kph has nothing to to with your speedo accuracy... it has to do with the accuracy of the Stalker DSR... that uses Doppler Shift.. (even if the unit is calabrated) it can give a false reading of speed by 4 or 5 kph...

The police just say that its for the speedo accuracies as we all know most speedos are out... but in reality its because there units are flawed..

Laser readings on the other hand are accurate... But no analogue speedo will ever be that accurate, and they are even harder to calibrate... even for the experts

[Morcs]

Unless you're a pansy scottsman on a 250 :scooter:

:laugh:

Anyways, this speed tolerance is bullshit. I love sitting on the motorway at 120, knowing damn well that my speedo overeads about 10k, and then the 10k tolerance...

Bikes should have a different speed limit to cages anyway.

[kevie]

There was a cop on the Takapau plains... open area of straitish road pulling vehicles up and ticketing them at as low as 103km/h .... his excuse ... the law is the law.... anything over 100 is speeding...... he didnt seem to do that for long .... wonder where they buried his body hahahahhahaahahah

But seriously, the speed limit is set and anything over the posted limit can be ticketed at the discretion of the officer... look at your next ticket ... theres a catagory up to 10km over the limit, if there is a hard and fast rule that they have 10% then that wouldnt be there would it?

So its all up to the officer.

[Grub]

It's not the passing motorists that are the threat it's the mums and their urban tractors. Might is right seems to be the norm. and of course, they can't possibly turn up with the precious ones in a car smaller than *hers!* so slowly but surely the tanks get bigger and the driving worse. (We live next door to a school)

[peasea]

I am with you yunga on the speed limit around schools being posted. That would save a lot of problems. At the school I work in, our patrols are on state highway 2 and it's amazing the amount of cars who race through doing more than 50.

I too work at a primary school and scary shit happens every day, at not much more than walking pace! It's not just speed that causes accidents, it's idiots doing stupid things; add speed and it just gets worse.

[Forest]

Got a speed camera ticket in the mail today. For doing 59km/h in a 50km/h zone at 8:24 am.

The fine for this offence is $30.

[Fat Tony]

My old man's just come back to the UK from a holiday in Aus... to find a speeding ticket from the rental car they had over there.

I can't believe they bothered to track him down here in the UK for doing 108k in a 100k zone :shit: and that they got it all done before he even got back... must be short of a few dollars eh? :lol:

[Arthur]

The 10km/hr tolerance is general police policy, however it doesn't prevent a cop giving out a ticket for speeding less than 10km/hr over the limit if he/she thinks its justified. It is not law so you would be right in saying you couldn't rely on it in court.

The way I understand it - the 10km/h grace doesn't exsist. I've (personally) only been aware of a 10% deviation from the posted speed limit i.e. 55km/h in a 50 zone, 110km/h in a 100 zone

[James Deuce]

Thank you Arthur.

It's 10km/hr grace ONLY at the open road speed limit. 7 @ 70 km/hr, 5 at 50km/hr, and so on.

[Swoop]

Got a speed camera ticket in the mail today. For doing 59km/h in a 50km/h zone at 8:24 am.

The fine for this offence is $30.
See if you can pay it off in weekly amounts since you "are a bit short of money at the moment"....:rofl:

[RiderInBlack]

"School speed zones" have been around in various states of Australia for some time. If they use signs like these in NZ then there's no excuse - otherwise there's every chance that the non-TV watching/newspaper reading folk amongst us will miss their ad campaigns that make road users aware of the new rules.
That would be an awesome sign for out around the country Schools. Could do with it on Mangakahia Rd in Titoki where the sign is 70Km before the Mangakahia Area School. That way it would encourage sager speeds during school hour without making it too slow in the Weekends.