Winja spotted in Papatoetoe

[Qkchk]

It must be a hot day..............even the feet are feeling the heat.


And yes, that is a ZZR1100 :doh:

[RT527]

What a Dork...no amount of heat should mean you dont wear protective gear.

Can just picture what would happen if he off`ed
:sick: :shit: :gob: :Punk:

[NhuanH]

Whilst the Jandal Crub advocates jandal worship, this is a renegade jandaller, with no affiliation.
Despite our very own SouthSide origins, we do not claim this one.

[Mr. Peanut]

Personal choice, don't get too hung up about it.

[SlowHand]

Normally, a healthy jandal wearing habit must be encouraged.

But in this case, I must look away.

Cheap yellow jandals? Guy's got no respect for THE Jandal!

[TonyB]

Hey at least its warm! Theres a guy in Chch who I've only ever seen riding in shorts, even on a freezing winters day.

[doc]

Doh, Whats the problem he's wearing a helmet so it's legal. If he's got licence rego WOF etc he's got ACC. It's not like if you make a claim you lose your no claims bonus . My ACC levy don't seem to go down anyway.

[MadDuck]

Whilst the Jandal Crub advocates jandal worship, this is a renegade jandaller, with no affiliation.
Despite our very own SouthSide origins, we do not claim this one.

I am sorry my jandal wearing friend BUT this has not only got to be one of the jandal club but judging by the proportions ...hmmmm AZNs.

Agree with the Strat man though...YELLOW!!!!!!

[pervert]

Can just picture what would happen if he off`ed
:sick: :shit: :gob: :Punk:
Can you just picture if he didn't off (which he MOST LIKELY didn't).

A nice breezy relaxing ride on a hot summers day without the sweaty hot filth of a big jacket and pants/gloves...what hell that must have been!!!

[Mr. Peanut]

Still, Jandals :sick:

[NhuanH]

this has not only got to be one of the jandal club but judging by the proportions ...hmmmm AZNs.
so solly white woman, me no speakee your flavour of engrish...

:scratch:

[mstriumph]

is that really WINJA? :confused: or just WINJA substitute? .....claytons WINJA?

he didn't sound to me like the type to wear yellow jandels??

[RT527]

Ahh well too true , of course hes not going to hurt anyone like that cept himself so theres no problem eh?.....dont worry about the ambulance/police and sometimes fireys that have to scrape him up after he looks like jelly( really is much easier on us if you wear your gear...less to clean up) ongoing trauma at having to see someone like that .....months and months of tax payers money down the drain if he survives....higher acc levies once they realize that we need to be wearing gear if we don't they may not give us future acc, going along the lines that you guys said he may not off...but then again does n`t the insurance work along the lines that you will off hence higher premiums.

Makes me laugh that so many on here are blinkered to one agenda. and if it doesn't involve something they hate then it must be all right.

Lol guess that goes for me too.

I do try to have an open mind but that really is just stoopid

[MadDuck]

so solly white woman, me no speakee your flavour of engrish...

:scratch:


LMFAO....you fellas only speakee the engrish when you want to ah :Punk:

But theys yellow jandals !!!!!!!

[Chisanga]

After coming off today and landing on my right arm I would never EVER consider wearing what that dude is. I would be in hospital right now if I did.

However, I'm sure he is a much better rider than me :)

[Thumper]

In criticising individuals who choose not to wear safety gear we put ourselves within the same group who criticise motorcycles because they are dangerous (it’s simply the law of relativity).

In riding motorcycles we reinforce the fact that we have freedom of choice to choose a mode of transport which is not as safe as others within a world where so many of our freedoms have been removed. Riding without safety gear is not illegal its simply personal choice. If a rider chooses to ride without safety gear they are only endangering themselves (freedom of choice).

I choose to wear all my gear 99% of the time but I have been out for a quick blat now and again in jeans, t-shirt and sneakers. On a hot summer day it’s absolutely fantastic. If I damage myself under such circumstances I will take full responsibility as I do every time I roll the bike out of the garage rather than the cage.

[oldrider]

I must say I miss WINJA on this forum. Where has he gone?

Freedom to be who you are, even a :tugger: ( not a reference to WINJA ) without hurting anyone else, is OK by me! Cheers John.

[doc]

Ahh well too true , of course hes not going to hurt anyone like that cept himself so theres no problem eh?.....dont worry about the ambulance/police and sometimes fireys that have to scrape him up after he looks like jelly( really is much easier on us if you wear your gear...less to clean up) ongoing trauma at having to see someone like that .....months and months of tax payers money down the drain if he survives....higher acc levies once they realize that we need to be wearing gear if we don't they may not give us future acc, going along the lines that you guys said he may not off...but then again does n`t the insurance work along the lines that you will off hence higher premiums.

Makes me laugh that so many on here are blinkered to one agenda. and if it doesn't involve something they hate then it must be all right.

Lol guess that goes for me too.

I do try to have an open mind but that really is just stoopid
Cmon you would rather go to the real stuff than friggin waiting for it to happen watching training vids. You are not one of those thats needs councilling every time you "Turn a wheel" are you ?

[MadDuck]

Heck thats funny....under labour we have billions in the coffers....i can get an elective surgery...this guy wears jandals AND its all his fault.

His only problem is colour choice. Surely Warehouse sell red ????

[Hitcher]

Those aren't chandals. They're sneakers.

[Drunken Monkey]

...dont worry about the ambulance/police and sometimes fireys that have to scrape him up after he looks like jelly...

No one put a gun to anyone's head and said "be an ambo", "be a policeman" or "be a fireman". If you don't like that part of the job, go sit behind a desk.

[James Deuce]

If I damage myself under such circumstances I will take full responsibility as I do every time I roll the bike out of the garage rather than the cage.

If you paid in full for the medical care, rehab, and special vehicle you might need, then that would be true. But you don't. The rest of us do. Not a valid argument in NZ.

I fully support anyone's right to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't cost me money, and if it were the US I'd probably join you, provided I had full Medical Insurance and an HMO that agreed to deal with Motorcycle related injuries and Rehab.

[N4CR]

so what as long as it don't push up my acc. i occasionally pull wheelies in jeans or no gear going down the road to the dairy/whatever who gives a ****, if i get ****ed up its my fault and my problem. most stunters don't wear **** and they know the consequences already...

and also i bet you wouldn't post taht if winja was still on here you ****.

[The Pastor]

I often ride to get gas in just a helmet. and pants. Suck me.

[Thumper]

If you paid in full for the medical care, rehab, and special vehicle you might need, then that would be true. But you don't. The rest of us do. Not a valid argument in NZ.


When I purchased my first bike three years back I also bought full medical, disability, income protection and life insurance that would cover both the wife and I should the unspeakable happen. The decision to once again take up biking was taken in its entirety and that included taking financial responsibility for any off’s I may have.

I have lived most of my life outside of NZ in countries where citizens are left to fend for themselves so the idea of relying on the state is foreign to me.

Unfortunately this does not mean I get any discount on the ACC levy component of my annual reg :yes:

[MadDuck]

Suck me.

Only if you wear YELLOW jandals

[The Pastor]

Only if you wear YELLOW jandals

I were bare feat noob.

[Ixion]

If you paid in full for the medical care, rehab, and special vehicle you might need, then that would be true. But you don't. The rest of us do. Not a valid argument in NZ.

I fully support anyone's right to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't cost me money, and if it were the US I'd probably join you, provided I had full Medical Insurance and an HMO that agreed to deal with Motorcycle related injuries and Rehab.

Not a valid argument as regards motorcylists. Actual acturial based ACC levies for motorcycles (ie levy to cover actual costs of injuries) would be in excess of $1500. The levy charged is a political comprimise.So no motorcyclist pays in full for medical care rehab etc etc. Which makes your argument a very good one for banning motorcycles. Or, at any rate the ones which statistics show crash a lot. ie sprotsbikes .Mopeds is OK, they actualy DO pay in full. Odd that considering the number of threads ranting about scooter riders not wearing magic gear.

[MadDuck]

I were bare feat noob.

Noob? Well fella I only take you seriously if you have pink toenails to match the jandal colour.....

[James Deuce]

Not a valid argument as regards motorcylists. Actual acturial based ACC levies for motorcycles (ie levy to cover actual costs of injuries) would be in excess of $1500. The levy charged is a political comprimise.So no motorcyclist pays in full for medical care rehab etc etc. Which makes your argument a very good one for banning motorcycles. Or, at any rate the ones which statistics show crash a lot. ie sprotsbikes .Mopeds is OK, they actualy DO pay in full. Odd that considering the number of threads ranting about scooter riders not wearing magic gear.

I am fully aware of that. The ACC Act creates a a situation where you don't actually have the choice. My argument is correct in that like it or not, the NZ Government's Health System is going to patch you up post injury accident, and the Social Systems built for the follow up are going to manage your rehab. I think Motorcycles will be banned in the near to medium future anyway, and part of the mechanism to do that will be making it too expensive to ride, firstly by cranking the ACC levy to what it should be.

The Private Hospitals in NZ do not have Emergency Departments and aren't generally equipped to handle the often severe and complex trauma motorcyclists often undergo, creating problems that need several different hospital departments from burns to orthopedics. You can buy as much cover as you like Thumper. You'll be going through the Public system post motorcycle accident because that's where the ambulance will take you.

[MadDuck]

Holy crap batman and beam me up scotty. The person who posted the pic was having a piss take look at the jandals (No doubt Donna..aka Dawn will tell me if im wrong)

ohhhhh but us tough and oh so serious biker types turn it around and make it a huge flippin political debate. Why? What does that do?

FFS...... CHILL. Yeeah this guy may have an accident and die - thats hes choice. Nice Jandals while hes doing it. It costs me more but so does the beneficiary down the road that decides to squat another baby out for child support at my expense.

[Thumper]

I am fully aware of that. The ACC Act creates a a situation where you don't actually have the choice. My argument is correct in that like it or not, the NZ Government's Health System is going to patch you up post injury accident, and the Social Systems built for the follow up are going to manage your rehab. I think Motorcycles will be banned in the near to medium future anyway, and part of the mechanism to do that will be making it too expensive to ride, firstly by cranking the ACC levy to what it should be.

The Private Hospitals in NZ do not have Emergency Departments and aren't generally equipped to handle the often severe and complex trauma motorcyclists undergo that need several different hospital departments from burns to orthopedics. You can buy as much cover as you like Thumper. You'll be going through the Public system post motorcycle accident because that's where the ambulance will take you.

Cool, I will get some value for my ACC contribution.

I have the highest regard for the Public system but certainly would not want to place any unnecessary burden on said system. I had an unexpected ride in an ambulance a few years back to a great Public hospital and had no problems getting my insurer to pick up the bills for that little adventure.

[Squeak the Rat]

Sealord are changing their name to Benny.

Benny Fisheries.




Repost my arse.

[Drew]

What a Dork...no amount of heat should mean you dont wear protective gear.

Can just picture what would happen if he off`ed
:sick: :shit: :gob: :Punk:


I do wheelies in less gear. My arse, my recovery, MY CHOICE>

[Mr. Peanut]

My arse, my recovery, MY CHOICE> We gave you the civil rights bill, what more do you want??

[Drew]

We gave you the civil rights bill, what more do you want??

Are you calling me gay?

If so, it's only gay if your balls touch.

[Lou Girardin]

No safety gear?
Take him out and shoot him immediately. That'll teach him the right way to ride.

[Qkchk]

FFS...... CHILL. Yeeah this guy may have an accident and die - thats hes choice. Nice Jandals while hes doing it. It costs me more but so does the beneficiary down the road that decides to squat another baby out for child support at my expense.

Take a Chill Pill Man! Or as in his case a:doobey:

Im surprised he aint wearing a matching yellow lavalava...

[vifferman]

I wrote off my first bike wearing jandals. So sue me! It was a hot (Christmas!) day, and I was only going a few miles. I woulda been OK if I hadn't got bored and started practicing wheelies. And if that car had given way to the right...
But I still have all my toes - they weren't too badly damaged at all, despite the somersault over the Viva and subsequent rapid deceleration when I met Mr Road...

[Joni]

Exactly Mr Viff... and it was your choice... as it was Mr Jandal man on the attachments choice on what attire he wore on the bike too. :D

[Smorg]

Are you calling me gay?

If so, it's only gay if your balls touch.

your not a man until you've had a man

[Finn]

Where is WINJA anyway? KB is like Southpark without Cartman.

[dawnrazor]

It must be a hot day..............even the feet are feeling the heat.


And yes, that is a ZZR1100 :doh:

Conversely, I saw a bloke today struggling through town in 2 peice black leathers...he nearly slipped out of the saddle he was sweating so much.

Seriously though, he was being fried I caught a glimpse of his face and it was bright red, thought he was going to pass out...probably still had the liner in as well LOL

There has to be a middle ground eh, but as the man says each to their own blah blah blah

[RT527]

Cmon you would rather go to the real stuff than friggin waiting for it to happen watching training vids. You are not one of those thats needs councilling every time you "Turn a wheel" are you ?

nah...but there are others that are coming up through the ranks that need watching...and we don't watch training vids
we get out there and do live training....

[RT527]

When I purchased my first bike three years back I also bought full medical, disability, income protection and life insurance that would cover both the wife and I should the unspeakable happen. The decision to once again take up biking was taken in its entirety and that included taking financial responsibility for any off’s I may have.

I have lived most of my life outside of NZ in countries where citizens are left to fend for themselves so the idea of relying on the state is foreign to me.

Unfortunately this does not mean I get any discount on the ACC levy component of my annual reg :yes:

Fine your medical is taken care of...its the acc componant that pays the thousands of dollars for someone to come save you!!!.

[RT527]

No one put a gun to anyone's head and said "be an ambo", "be a policeman" or "be a fireman". If you don't like that part of the job, go sit behind a desk.

Um what exactly are you on.....I don't mind going to Accidents at all ...as long as someone has taken measures to protect themselves then its not an issue....but we are people who try to help, I do it because I care ....not to Ride the big red truck....I had an opinion which also noted that they are free to do what they want .

Each to there own I suppose. I choose to wear my gear hot or not. It wont stop me from getting hurt but I might be able to save some tax payers money by not having as much rehabilitation to go through...Meh what the heck I wasnt saying he couldn't wear only jandals and shorts and tee, just noted that i tought he was a dork for doing that ...just because I can.

[Edbear]

If others can take the time to think about others, Ie: Ambo`s Police and Fire ...then why dont people stop taking us for granted and think about us for a change ...then they might wear their gear .




:gob:



(10whatsits)

[RT527]

:gob:



(10whatsits)

Yeah I Don`t think I said that Right.
It came out a bit selfish so have edited it out.

Apologies to any FFighters ambos or cops on here.

[doc]

Fine your medical is taken care of...its the acc componant that pays the thousands of dollars for someone to come save you!!!.
So if we follow all the advertising and the toll comes down ,accidents down ,less trauma. Does this mean the few that are injured will have horrendous, ACC levies to keep "the Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff " Or will there be less Ambulance's at the bottom of the cliff. Emergency services have become a growth industry they even have Reality TV shows around them. Once the inertia starts beyond a volunteer service it has to keep perpetuating to get career advancement for those who seek it as a career.
Its gone from the 3 x p's (pick dem up, pop dem in da back and piss off to hosp) to Paramedics with university degrees in first aid. I don't think you will get much sympathy from a lot of people on this site if you complain about the mess, thats what the emergency services are there for. The bigger the mess the betta the job, betta discussion back at the station, betta than false alarms. You can't say thats not valid in Emergency work.

[Edbear]

Yeah I Don`t think I said that Right.
It came out a bit selfish so have edited it out.

Apologies to any FFighters ambos or cops on here.




No, no, my good Sir! 'Tis I must apologise for being obtuse!

That people would be so reasonable as to consider the rights and feelings of others, including those such as yourself and similar professions before doing things that affect these others is a seeming anathema in this day and age!

We live in a society that seems to place great emphasis on personal "rights" and freedoms but little or none on caring for the rights of others, such as those who get the job of picking up the pieces, (literally a times!)

Those who protest their "right" to wear what they please and ride as they please without regard for the above, perhaps should actually take a reality check and consider what actually happens when someone is seriously hurt in a accident. Nice to say, "It's my choice and I'll take the consequences", but that is not real life I'm afraid. If they were lying broken and bleeding in a ditch, in agonising pain, would they say to you and your comrades, "Go away, mate! I deserve this and I'll deal with it on my own, thanks!"

I have nothing but admiration and respect for you all!

[DUCATI*HARD]

bee proof
wasp proof
waterproofand bulletproof.........not

[RT527]

So if we follow all the advertising and the toll comes down ,accidents down ,less trauma. Does this mean the few that are injured will have horrendous, ACC levies to keep "the Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff " Or will there be less Ambulance's at the bottom of the cliff. Emergency services have become a growth industry they even have Reality TV shows around them. Once the inertia starts beyond a volunteer service it has to keep perpetuating to get career advancement for those who seek it as a career.
Its gone from the 3 x p's (pick dem up, pop dem in da back and piss off to hosp) to Paramedics with university degrees in first aid. I don't think you will get much sympathy from a lot of people on this site if you complain about the mess, thats what the emergency services are there for. The bigger the mess the betta the job, betta discussion back at the station, betta than false alarms. You can't say thats not valid in Emergency work.

Fair call doc....but this is life and its always changing, Like our work load hence the reason we are now called Fire And Rescue.

Even our medical calls are on the up and we aren't even a co responder station.
Also I'm not after sympathy just a little understanding that we are human and have family's to go home too, Who are often our ambulances at the bottom of the cliff. Just because we volunteer, it doesn't mean we are robots with little feeling for life....And yes if it got to me i wouldn't do it...but you have to wonder sometimes are they really that dumb?(Accident victims)

[SlowHand]

ohhhhh but us tough and oh so serious biker types turn it around and make it a huge flippin political debate. Why? What does that do?



Tee Hee! Flippin' in Jandal thread!

[Mr Skid]

Tee Hee! Flippin' in Jandal thread!
Yeah! :confused:

So why does a decent thread about jandals have to be hijacked for a discussion about safety and social contract theory?

What's up wid' 'dat?

[ceebie13]

Here's a thought:
If we have a right to individual choice regarding protective gear (regardless of which side of the fence you sit on), then why are we "forced" to wear a helmet?

Or put it another way, why did they stop at helmets when legislating about protective gear? Why aren't we legally obliged to wear approved gloves, leathers, etc.?

[Chisanga]

He definatly is if you cant stay on a VTR 250 ffs, stay home.

Nice to see you live up to your name :whocares:

[Thumper]

what a load of fuckin bullshit. are you teling me that if you crash you will turn down offers of ACC payments for your time off work, turn down government offers of payment for hospitalisation for skin grafts?? dont write bullshit comments like that, that are clearly not true... taking responsibility,, ffs, your a fuckwit.


I am trying to decide if I should take the mindless musings of a Village Idiot seriously. :crazy:

When considering the context of my “taking responsibility” I felt that I was reasonably clear that I understood (and therefore took responsibility for) the added risk of rolling out of my garage on my bike as opposed to my cage.

I understand that it is significantly more dangerous riding a bike than driving a car due to many factors most of which are out side of my control. A cage WILL pull out in front of me when I am on my bike, a cage WILL move over onto me in the traffic, the oil will rise off the road after a brief shower and road paint will attempt at every opportunity to throw me off my bike. Despite these (and many more) threats I still choose to accept the added risks of riding a motorcycle. I am responsible for that decision, nobody else is. I cannot say “I did not know it was more dangerous to ride my bike than take almost any other form of transport”.

It is in that context that my statement of “taking responsibility” was made. Look at the full post not one line in isolation.