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kro

13th February 2007, 17:43

If this seems self serving, and a "hey look at me" thread, it really is not the case. I just thought I'd share some down to earth, real life stuff with you, which has made a monumental difference in my life lately.

First up, I quit the fags on Nov 8th 2006. No slip ups, no sneaky smokes, just cold ugly turkey. The success of this is in part attributable to you folks on KB, who gave me words of encouragement, and pointed me to the Alan Carr book, which I didn't know about. Thanks KB crew.

For the last 3 years, I have had deteriorating health. Specifically, I have been chronically lethargic, and would struggle really bad to even get up in the morning, even though I love my job, and all my workmates. Most days I would eat a handful of food, and feel like I had eaten 3 Xmas dinners, and have chronic bloating, and could fart the national anthem, and would be desparate to go to bed at about 1pm, because I couldn't keep my eyes open.

6 weeks ago, I went to a Nutritionist style specialist, after getting fed up with traditional medicine giving me no relief. Turns out, I have developed a pretty severe wheat allergy, and within 24 hours of stopping any wheat from going down my throat, I literally sprang out of bed, and have been feeling mint every day since. I bought a mountain bike that first day after eating no wheat, and am riding between 90-120 k's a week, and mostly hillclimbing ( God Bless nelson). I haven't had a beer in 6 weeks either...... it's not on the menu unfortunately, but I can drink red wine.

I was 106kg 2 months ago, and just weighed in two days ago, at 96. I now don't eat margarine at all, and eat butter only, and all this time the TV has been saying "no butter and cheese its bad shit". Screw that, butter and cheese are readily digestable, and have essential fats in them, that my system needed in a big way. I have given the finger to about 95% of the processed foods, and eat mostly "whole foods".

To top it off, 2 days ago, I secured the long awaited engine for my DR project, and have resurrected my Project DR thread in Off Road. In two weeks or so, I will have a finished bike.

Been a pretty intense, but rewarding 6 weeks I guess.

mstriumph

13th February 2007, 17:45

well done that bloke!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

spookytooth

13th February 2007, 17:48

:yes: Respect

Edbear

13th February 2007, 17:48

Goodonyer, mate! Some of us have been chronically ill for a long time and understand where you're coming from!

imdying

13th February 2007, 17:48

Don't strip too much of the joy outta life, otherwise you might as well be lethargic or dead anyway ;)

RantyDave

13th February 2007, 17:50

Fantasic! Good work, dude!

kro

13th February 2007, 17:50

fixed bike = joy

I can forego beer, and wheat, and margarine quite easily compared to giving up on bike.

dawnrazor

13th February 2007, 17:51

Similiar thing happened to my mate. She was crippled with wheat intolerance for years...doctors were no help at all, finally she went to see someone like you did and overnight BANG, a different person...amazing.

Nice one

dawnrazor

13th February 2007, 17:52

fixed bike = joy

I can forego beer, and wheat, and margarine quite easily compared to giving up on bike.

CIDER IS OKAY :yes: :yes: :yes:

Drum

13th February 2007, 17:58

More power to ya!

Smorg

13th February 2007, 18:00

you should look into being a Wicca

Colapop

13th February 2007, 18:05

Awesome! It's not self serving to tell people (that have had some input) about changing things for the better. Go forth young man and have a bloody good 'un!

Trudes

13th February 2007, 18:11

That's wicked man, well done all that!!:rockon:

Nasty

13th February 2007, 18:27

Awesome .. I think you have done so well ... I know quiting smoking is a bitch ... but also to find the allergies ... a big wa hoo for that ... good on ya ... and keep it up!!!!:rockon:

onearmedbandit

13th February 2007, 18:32

MyGSXF

13th February 2007, 18:39

That all sounds bloody great Kro.. :Punk: well done!!!!!! :2thumbsup & thanks for sharing it all too! :yes:

Jen :rockon:

Crasherfromwayback

13th February 2007, 18:43

That's news and info to be proud of....nothing like self serving!
That's what I do....

Keep up the good work!:sunny:

kro

13th February 2007, 18:43

So that's why I'm smoking more cigarettes and eating more margarine. Damn you, have you not heard of the 'bad vice balance'? You give something up and one of us has to take up the slack! Oh well, I'm willing to step up to the plate and do my bit.

baha, I wonder if there is some karmic/cosmic balance that needs to be fed with sacrificial virgins/vices, that balances itself by giving some poor bastard on the other side of the world a sudden desire to take up smoking.. It's a bit of a freaky thought really.

Thanks for the encouragement troops, I really appreciate it.

Hitcher

13th February 2007, 18:46

I like good news. Particularly about people doing things that improve their lot. Well done, Kro.

klingon

13th February 2007, 18:47

SlowHand

13th February 2007, 19:17

onearmedbandit

13th February 2007, 19:32

Rothmans? :mellow:

No, Mild Seven's.

Hitcher

13th February 2007, 21:45

Mild Seven's.

Do they still make those? The name brings back memories of my seventh-form year: Mild Sevens for morning tea, Camels for lunch. And I haven't smoked since.

riffer

13th February 2007, 21:57

I've sent you a PM Kro regarding Coeliac Disease.

I strongly suggest you look into confirmation of this disease - having a child recently diagnosed with it I can't begin to tell you the huge difference it's made in his life.

Wonderful to hear you're on the mend.

onearmedbandit

13th February 2007, 22:16

Do they still make those? The name brings back memories of my seventh-form year: Mild Sevens for morning tea, Camels for lunch. And I haven't smoked since.

Haven't seen them for sale here in NZ but I get regular supplies of duty free. Otherwise it's Dunhill.

The_Dover

13th February 2007, 22:22

lay off th pies too fatboy.

we'll get there eventuelly

Macktheknife

14th February 2007, 00:47

Good on you Kro, great achievement! I salute your effort and your intent in telling the rest of us.

mstriumph

14th February 2007, 01:12

..................., Camels for lunch. And I haven't smoked since.

ahhhhhhhh Camels

- the only cigarette with a picture of the producer on the packet ...

xwhatsit

14th February 2007, 01:51

Do they still make those? The name brings back memories of my seventh-form year: Mild Sevens for morning tea, Camels for lunch. And I haven't smoked since.

Yeah, they're huge over in Hong Kong and Japan. Hehe, that's pretty much 7th form over there, too...

How could you miss that bloody Benetton Formula 1 whizzing around for years, with the great big `MILD SEVEN' painted on the side?

EDIT: Nice work, Kro -- sometimes everything just comes together, and your life is beautiful for a bit. Wish my father would do the same as you, he's smoking/drinking/crap-eating himself to an early grave. He's having fun while it lasts, though -- he has a bike, which you didn't have before, lol. Glad to hear the DR250 is back on track, I enjoyed that thread.

dnos

14th February 2007, 07:55

good shit - that man deserves a db, errrrrrrr, maybe a glass of red.
Well done man, a lot of change but ya can't argue with results can ya.

Squeak the Rat

14th February 2007, 08:01

Do what works. I recently tried some acupuncture and was amazed at the result. Lots of little tiny holes. Oh, and i felt shit loads better.....

scumdog

14th February 2007, 08:04

fixed bike = joy

I can forego beer, and wheat, and margarine quite easily compared to giving up on bike.

Ya haven't got caeliacs (sp) disease have you??

Crisis management

14th February 2007, 08:12

Good on ya Kro, anyone that ressurects DR's can do no harm in my book!

As others have said it sounds like cealiacs (hope your spelling was good SD, I'm just copying). A couple of friends have that and althought its taken a while to get a good food balance there is now shit loads of info and wheat / gluten free foods available.

Look after yourself and enjoy a better life!

Joni

14th February 2007, 08:15

there is now shit loads of info and wheat / gluten free foods available.Yup, and kro if it turns out you do have it... you life will improve so much when you move to gluten free products!!!

Good luck... and good on ya too! :sunny:

vifferman

14th February 2007, 08:30

Good stuff, Kro! Well done.
It's nice to hear positive stuff like this. :niceone:

Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)

14th February 2007, 08:45

When you take positive action - good things happen ay. Riffer may have referred you to a website for coelics (sp) gives you recipes and all and where to buy gluten free goods.

Onwards and upwards. Thanks for sharing - I love positive posts like this.

Toaster

14th February 2007, 08:49

Good on ya dude.

WickedOne

14th February 2007, 09:01

Good on ya bud!!!

riffer

14th February 2007, 09:05

When you take positive action - good things happen ay. Riffer may have referred you to a website for coelics (sp) gives you recipes and all and where to buy gluten free goods.

No I haven't but what you're referring to is the Manufactured Food Database (http://www.mfd.co.nz/), the bible for people like myself.

I've advised Kro on how and where to take this further if he wants actual medical advice and help.

SDU

14th February 2007, 10:23

Awesome Kro:rockon:

bikemike

14th February 2007, 13:07

We are constantly being told about freedom of choice and how we have never had it so good in the food department.

Walk down the local supermarket aisle and stop for a moment, watch the crowds go by....

The aisles with 'choice' are Bread, Yoghurt, Chips/Crisps, Fizzy Pop, Biscuits and Breakfast cereals. Look at the butchery, fish stall, and grocery stands and compare. I kept losing count adding up the number of different types of biscuits available, and there are several dozen types of breakfast 'cereal' in my local for example. I counted 42 types of Humous the other day (including different brands and different flavours) Only TWO were plain. Same with Bread, dozens of varieties with lemon this, seeds that, softer the other. Seems there were only a couple of producers, and they owned many of the brands, and all had the same debased ingredients. Only in the Organic and Special Diets section were there any real breads. For heaven sake, I want to add my own flavouring to my bread!

But in the fruit and veg section, there were two kinds of apple, one kind of carrot, two kinds of tomatoes, one kind of capsicum.... you get the idea.

The stuff where there is supposed 'choice' is the commoditised food 'products' sections.
Anything with Milk Solids, Wheat, Soy Flour, Oilseed Rape, Sugar and amenable to gums, thickeners, bulking agents, flavours and long shelf life is where the 'choice' is. These are in fact refortified, reconstituted, heat treated denuded foods. It's all about recombination and marketing. And this is not where the health is. It's garbage!

There are so many grains we could be eating, and so many varieties thereof. We could be having whole milk, un-homogenised, even unpasteurised if you feel so inclined, even goats milk. (I asked an assistant the other day for unhomogenised milk and he didn't even know what it was!)
It's hard to find yoghurts that are not some bastardised version thereof; just a thickened, sweetened, flavoured pudding with milk solids in it.
How may kinds of fruit and vegetable are there that we no longer eat?

The business market has taken over our food production, and it is no longer food in my opinion. It's amazing we are tolerating it as much as we do, though stories like Kro's are not uncommon these days. Wheat and cow's milk are two of the top allergenic foodstuffs, and we eat them continuously, we completely overload our systems with one food type.

It's true that some organisms can live on limited food variety, and humans can also, for a time. But evolution has given us a much higher brain function and complex chemistry which thrives with a variety of foods and micronutrients.

Hey, I still eat wheat and dairy, but limit it when I feel clogged up, but for the other crap, I support the Green Party. Only party that's even aware of this and doing anything about it.

Glad you found a solution Kro, and sorry for the rant.

Hitcher

14th February 2007, 20:48

I support the Green Party. Only party that's even aware of this and doing anything about it.
There is a huge choice of fresh fruit and veges available -- considerably more than 30 years ago, e.g. bok choi and other Chinese greens, exotic mushrooms, varieties of lettuce; mangoes, paw paws and other assorted tropical fruits; venison, ostrich and meat from assorted other "exotic" animals, not to mention a wider choice of leaner cuts of meat than existed three decades ago. "One sort of carrot", I think not. There are probably at least four different varieties available at any one time, depending on the time of year and the part of the country they're grown in.

But people don't prepare and cook their own food to the extent they did 30 years ago either. That's why food manufacturers have stepped up to the plate, as it were, with a huge variety of prepared or partially-prepared foods. There is a wealth of information available about the contents of these for anybody who cares to read the label. And you can't blame food manufacturers for this. They're not in the business of deliberately poisoning people or selling them harmful products. In fact the opposite prevails. People these days are more concerned about the "safety" of their food than whether or not it may be "good" for them.

By wacking on about increasingly more punitive labelling and other requirements for food products (including the totally pointless country-of-origin labelling) all the Greens are doing is making food more expensive to produce, store, distribute and retail, and the "gains" from such additional measures are totally cosmetic.

Food and the consumption thereof has become a religion with a variety of cults: vegetarians, vegans, macrobiotics, anti-additives, and the dreaded organics. Endeavoring to have a reasoned discussion with foodies about what constitutes a balanced diet is a bit like attempting a conversation with the Taleban about the American political system.

The Greens are in the business of winning the votes of middle-class people who have nothing more to worry about that whether or not a particular tin of baked beans has a Heart Foundation tick, or not, or whether cars should be powered by biofuels. Meanwhile, in New Zealand and other parts of the world, children are going to bed hungry. Their arguments are shallow and generally misinformed.

mstriumph

14th February 2007, 20:55

................ followed by a deafening silence ..........

bikemike

14th February 2007, 22:43

Taking it for granted that you are not trolling...

The point remains that in the supermarkets the space given over to real food ingredients compared to infinitely and unnecessarily processed and permutated foods is tiny. Most of our diet should be those fruits, veges, nuts seeds etc. All good advice says the same these days, whether you are vegetarian, vegan, Indian or any other...

On the one hand I agree with the intent of labelling our food. Simply because I want to know what's in it and I think I have a right to that. Secondly, whilst our Kiwi farming practices may be debated, on the whole they are considered to be significantly more honest and safe than those in the regions much of our bulk goods and exotics come from.

On the other, I tend to grow or buy mostly raw ingredients so the issue doesn't affect me so much - and we do cook most of our own food. You are absolutely right about that, most folks don't do that these days as they feel there are more important things to attend to; evening TV schedules, games stations and so on. We once did a comparison of our weekly shop with a couple who buy most of their food processed. That is, coleslaw in a bag, custard in a box, ready made everything. We spent about 10 bucks a week more on average. Whilst our diet appeared more exotic, it was usually mostly locally produced.

The variety I want is not with exotics from all over the world at any time of year, regardless of season or transport costs but fresh local variety and seasonal variety. You may have had less choice in fruit and veges 30 years back, but the rot was already set in then. Whatever the benefits or downsides of the green revolution, ever since the start of intensive farming the tendency has been towards homogenisation, standardisation and optimal single varieties. Having said that, the old seed catalogues do have heaps of veges most of us no longer grow or buy, so it may be down to how you or your folks acquired your foods. I've seen the grubbing of a large variety of English apple orchards, all because of the all-pervasive, supermarket conquering Granny Smith (and Braeburn perhaps?) The variety is being lost and the inordinate and inane choice offered in the processed food section does not make up for that:angry:

The Greens are in the business of winning the votes of middle-class people who have nothing more to worry about that whether or not a particular tin of baked beans has a Heart Foundation tick, or not, or whether cars should be powered by biofuels. Meanwhile, in New Zealand and other parts of the world, children are going to bed hungry. Their arguments are shallow and generally misinformed.

This is disingenuous and utter nonsense. Meet any bunch of Greens anywhere and you will find piss poor and very well off people and all in between. It is not about any jaded British class codswallop. Despite what some may think, Greens are rarely dogmatic and it can be more of a problem that so many points of view and ambitions are represented under one banner. Still, I would rather that than the two-faced reality of the two-party system which we still seem to be stuck with, and its singular, polar and unquestioning idea of how the world works.

I personally do not agree in principle with the Ticks, and Schemes and Pyramids and so on. We should all be inheriting our food sense from our friends and family as we grow up. It should be common sense, cultural sense. However, given the nature of the products on the shelves, if it were not for some of the labelling we would have no idea what's in some of these processed foods. Check out the Guacamole Style Dip on your local shelf for a good example...

You can't sign on for a healthy diet by buying processed foods on an approved list and chucking it down your gullet in my opinion. You have to buy your ingredients, and make the meal. Without that knowledge, the manufacturers are pulling the wool over your eyes, despite what you say.

I think biofuels is the wrong way to go for two reasons: One, whilst the feedstock is produced along intensive chemical farming lines, the oil and gas based inputs can outweigh the energy of the biofuel outputs. Same with Hydrogen, unless it is 'produced' using renewable fuel sources, there is no net gain. Two, with an increasing population, and an increasing imperative to produce food locally, the local demand for land for food production in many markets will increase and to have this need compete with the need for biofuel will only weaken our links with food and make it more expensive. However, biofuels from waste, such as algal farming and so on might have a future. Also, in New Zealand, if we gave up some milk-solids-export farming land for other food production....

Going back to the original post, those with wheat, soy or dairy intolerances or allergies are finding it easier now to find new foods made for them, but the rest of us find it harder and harder to find regular foods made without them. I'd contend there might be a connection. Perhaps if these things were a smaller part of our diet we wouldn't be struggling with them so much?

Ixion

14th February 2007, 22:58

There is a huge choice of fresh fruit and veges available -- considerably more than 30 years ago, e.g. bok choi and other Chinese greens, exotic mushrooms, varieties of lettuce; mangoes, paw paws and other assorted tropical fruits; venison, ostrich and meat from assorted other "exotic" animals, not to mention a wider choice of leaner cuts of meat than existed three decades ago. "One sort of carrot", I think not. There are probably at least four different varieties available at any one time, depending on the time of year and the part of the country they're grown in.
,,,.

I do not think this is entirely correct. There may be more exotic items , but there is far less variety within the "standard" ones.

For instance, how many types of potato can one find now ? 4? 6 if you are lucky. I can remember as a boy the greengrocer having at least a dozen. Apples the same .

And whilst we may have bok choi and mangos (though I remember the latter as a child), we have lost many others. When did you last see a banana passionfruit? Or a loquat? Sorrel ? Cresses? Greengages? Even gooseberries. Where can I buy rabbit? (I know you can if you try hard enough) . Let alone buying a chicken. We used to be able to buy chickens of different types. Now there is just the Universal Fowl.

You could always get dozens of varieties of lettuce. And cabbage.

Ixion

14th February 2007, 23:02

I think biofuels is the wrong way to go for two reasons: One, whilst the feedstock is produced along intensive chemical farming lines, the oil and gas based inputs can outweigh the energy of the biofuel outputs. Same with Hydrogen, unless it is 'produced' using renewable fuel sources, there is no net gain. Two, with an increasing population, and an increasing imperative to produce food locally, the local demand for land for food production in many markets will increase and to have this need compete with the need for biofuel will only weaken our links with food and make it more expensive. However, biofuels from waste, such as algal farming and so on might have a future. Also, in New Zealand, if we gave up some milk-solids-export farming land for other food production....

But in NZ biofuel will be produced from tallow and whey, both of which are byproducts of their respective industries , and already available in large quantities. We do not need to grow special crops for biofuel. Whey in particular is actually a disposal problem within the dairy industry. That is why the bbuilt the reparoa plant to turn it into alcohol. Even if they gave the alocohol away they were still ahead of the game because the conversion process was the cheapest way of disposing of the waste whey.

bikemike

14th February 2007, 23:48

Yes, based on a waste product. I only gave one example, and I was maybe stretching an opportunity to dispel such myths, and allude to such problems as exist...

However, how much of our dairying is for export, and how long will that continue? And how much spirit is produced from the whey? How many barrels of oil do we use a day? Similarly, tallow, from rendering right? I'm no vegetarian (used to be) but I reckon we will all be eating less meat (including tired milkers) too, for the same fuel-based reasons. Would like to know the numbers. Picking up my usual aggregator, www.energybulletin.net (http://www.energybulletin.net/news.php?keywords=tallow&action=search), all the results on tallow are from here...

When did you last see Ugli fruit and pomegranates? Reckon pomegranate sauce would go well with rabbit! Used to have rabbit all the time as kids, bought and caught. Used to eat the bones out of the pressure cooker I remember :-)

We Greens are so backwards, perhaps we'll be using the tallow for candles anyway :innocent:

Hitcher

15th February 2007, 07:57

Many assumptions have been made about biofuels in New Zealand with virtually no examination of the various options or their consequences, economically or environmentally.

Tallow and whey? Good idea, except they're currently worth more to New Zealand for purposes other than biofuel, not counting the infrastructure that would have to be developed to adapt them for use in internal combustion engines. While there is a goodly quantity of these currently available, it's not enough to make a sizeable dent in our liquid fuels consumption.

Growing crops such as maize, sugar beet, rape or sugar cane? Some of these crops produce a negative energy balance when grown for methanol (particularly rape/canola) i.e. it requires more energy to produce a litre of methanol than is yielded from that litre.

Also much of New Zealand's "productive" land is already committed for useful production. Widespread adoption of crop production for methanol production would require tens of thousands of hectares to be planted in seasonal crops. This would displace other agriculture to more marginal land that arguably shouldn't be farmed and also place even more pressure on scarce water supplies for irrigation, etc. Nobody anywhere has yet done a detailed analysis of this. Yes, there have been numerous small-scale field trials, the results of which have been unconvincing.

If New Zealand is serious about using biofuels, we will be importing them from Brazil.

Biff

15th February 2007, 08:59

Well done Kro. Bling for giving up the cigs. I'm reading Allan Car's book at the mo, after many failed attempts at giving up the fags (longest period of success being 6 weeks).

Do they still make those (Mild Sevens)?

Yip - Very popular in SE Asia and the Middle East.

kro

19th July 2007, 17:02

Just a bit of an update, as I received a bit of side interest in this topic.

On the food front, as stated, I have shifted heavily from processed foods, like margarine, breads, crackers, most things from a cardboard box basically, and moved over to using butter exclusively for cooking and sandwiches etc, and am heavily into "whole foods", as opposed to what we get told are "health foods", a large portion of which, are shite anyway.
Whole foods are things like eggs, butter, steak, veges, chicken, fruit, some nuts. These are living foods, and are the ones I am respond very very well to, with no crook guts and loose bowel motions etc.

When I eat a steak, I eat it fat and all, and with chicken, skin and all. The animal fats are not the evil they are touted to be on TV, they have a lot of the enzymes needed to help digest the meat, and they do countless other things I won't bore you with.
I eat a fried brekky every second day, and sometimes up to 5 a week, yet my cholestrol is now back in perfect bracket, after years of it being all over the show, mostly on the high side.

The upshot of all this is a basically a new me. Happier, healthier, shit-loads more energy, and a much more positive outlook in general.

These cursed food allergies can manifest themselves as a loose bowel, a bloated tummy, bad gas, and in my case, even a feeling of tightness in my chest, which thankfully has all gone, and my ticker is apparently in tip top shape.

I encourage those who may think they eat well, but suffer from symptoms that a traditional GP will call "stress related", to look into it further. I haven't felt this good in years, and I still eat meat, eggs, and all the goodies I love.

I might type up some of the info I have been treading lately, it's very interesting.

janno

19th July 2007, 17:45

Ooooh yes - wheat is a bugger of a food.

So seductive, so yummy, and so addictive and disruptive to some people's systems.
Its evil twin is refined sugar.

Cut out those two things and you are laughing.

Except most of the delicious things you eat or drink contain one or the other . . . :shit:

sunhuntin

19th July 2007, 18:38

well done, kro.

what you described there [the lethargy, not wanting to get up and dying to be back in bed by mid afternoon] sounds a lot like my partner. i might look up wheat allergys, and see if it matches anything he eats.

keep up the good work!!

Usarka

19th July 2007, 20:34

Your onto it kro. those eggs are good dont throw the yokes away like a lot of people as they contain lecitihin which is the good shit antioxidant and protects the brain and helps with helps sort out fats. The most popular way of getting this if from soy but you need to watch that crap as it contains lots of estrogen - trouble is its in almost all processed food you can buy in a packet. Go the eggs.

kro

19th July 2007, 20:38

Biff

19th July 2007, 20:50

You sir are a bloody legend.

:yes:

kiwi cowboy

7th March 2008, 20:55

Where can I buy rabbit? (I know you can if you try hard enough) .
buy a rabbit?:girlfight:hell you can come down and:2guns::2guns:the little fuckers yourself:clap::2thumbsup

Mrs Busa Pete

8th March 2008, 07:07

The lethargy was quite honestly crippling, and had I have not been such a hard bastard, I honestly think I would have curled up in a ball, and waited for death. Having something undiagnosed, with such a wide range of symptoms, that traditional medicine cannot identify makes you think you're either making it up, or have psyche issues, or are depressed, when you aren't.
Diet is pivotal to the bodys proper functioning I guess, so if you're constantly sticking Kerosene into a petrol motor, the results are gonna be poor.
You see the endless doco's of kids with poor diets being shitheads, I wonder how many adults suffer from it too.

I recently discovered I am not good with peanuts either, and since wiping them out of my diet, I'm going from good to very good. My concentration is better, I am finally sleeping better, and I don't smell so bad.

Just wanted to say i to had the same problems although i could get up in the morning like bloody 4.30/5 but was ready for bed by 7/7.30 every night had the blotting tummy cramps and always tire so i went to sureslim i have now lost 7kg and yes i'm in my first couple of weeks of stopping smoking i go to the gym for an hour 6 days a week and i'm feeling great as well i have more energy i can go out and not have to home by 9/10 because i'm to tired.

YA I HAVE MY LIFE BACK well almost i'm still fighting the smoke demons

Edbear

8th March 2008, 08:28

Just wanted to say i to had the same problems although i could get up in the morning like bloody 4.30/5 but was ready for bed by 7/7.30 every night had the blotting tummy cramps and always tire so i went to sureslim i have now lost 7kg and yes i'm in my first couple of weeks of stopping smoking i go to the gym for an hour 6 days a week and i'm feeling great as well i have more energy i can go out and not have to home by 9/10 because i'm to tired.

YA I HAVE MY LIFE BACK well almost i'm still fighting the smoke demons

Goodonyermate! One of the hardest addictions to ever give up! Just view the temptation to have "just one" as a step backwards, for which you have to then take two steps forwards.

I just didn't want to take a backward step, I was desparate to get off the drugs and it was a living hell, so the quicker I did it the sooner I was going to feel better. I don't know, as I've never smoked, whether addiction to prescription drugs is harder than smoking or not, but I have an idea from personal experience how tough it is!

I'm sure your dearly beloved is being supportive, as I know you are for her.

Mrs Busa Pete

8th March 2008, 08:39

Goodonyermate! One of the hardest addictions to ever give up! Just view the temptation to have "just one" as a step backwards, for which you have to then take two steps forwards.

I just didn't want to take a backward step, I was desparate to get off the drugs and it was a living hell, so the quicker I did it the sooner I was going to feel better. I don't know, as I've never smoked, whether addiction to prescription drugs is harder than smoking or not, but I have an idea from personal experience how tough it is!

I'm sure your dearly beloved is being supportive, as I know you are for her.

Sorry forgot to put Mrs busa pete int that post.:rolleyes:

Edbear

8th March 2008, 08:57

Sorry forgot to put Mrs busa pete int that post.:rolleyes:

Das' hokay! Jus' swap the last word "her" for "him" and I'm sure it still works...:yes: Good on you! Keep going!:first: