Overtaking

[beyond]

I'm just as guilty as anybody else on here for the following:
Many of us overtake in places whre most cagers wouldn't even consider it.
When on a powerful machine as narrow and as quick as motorcycle of any decent engine size, overtaking manoeuvres can be accomplished very quicky and on short straights that other vehicles could never match.

I've seen bikers overtaking in areas where even I wouldn't consider it and yet many of us overtake in places we think are safe. Yes, there is clear visibility between a set of corners and a short straight is all it takes. BUT, we often judge our overtake based on the speed of the traffic around us or the speed of cars that we expect to be coming the other way at similar speeds to the cars we are overtaking.

Warning: when you overtake on a real short stretch of road or between corners with what appears to be enough room, then consider that if you are doing this on your bike, who is to say that someone else is doing exactly the same coming the other way on their bike? If that's the case, you really cannot complete that overtake in all safety.

So, whenever you are about to complete a speedy, short distance overtake, do so in the belief that a motorcyclist is coming the opposite way at the speeds that you will hit during the overtake and I believe there will definitely be times that you will know an overtake cannot be completed without endangering yourself or others.

Just a thought but one worth considering I think.

[boomer]

Good thoughts Batman; i often think the same when in my 4 vehiculared contraption, go to overtake thinking there'll be room when a car appears and i cancel the move; well if that car had taken 1 more second i'd have gone for it.. then what!

still.. you live and learn otherwise you come back and do it all over again until you really learn

[The_Dover]

lucky you dont think about overtaking on the cbr bummer.

[Guitana]

Why bother overtaking at all ???? Thats part of the excitement the imminent danger!!!

[Toaster]

Well, I guess it is one way to meet new friends and make an impact.

[Guitana]

Well, I guess it is one way to meet new friends and make an impact.

And meet hot nurses!!

[BarBender]

BUT, we often judge our overtake based on the speed of the traffic around us or the speed of cars that we expect to be coming the other way at similar speeds to the cars we are overtaking.

Warning: when you overtake on a real short stretch of road or between corners with what appears to be enough room, then consider that if you are doing this on your bike, who is to say that someone else is doing exactly the same coming the other way on their bike? If that's the case, you really cannot complete that overtake in all safety.

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</p>Agree with you PaulJust to add - The back end of overtaking moves has to be considered especially with the awesome roll on speeds some of the bigger bikes have today - Some people just focus on the overtaking and fail to read the speed required to get around the corner at the same time OR negotiate the oncoming corner OR to pull up behind the next vehicle. One time I did a quick overtake and misjudged the corner I was going into - I carried too much speed and as a result hurriedly braked, chopped down and bliped with the clutch open and almost pogo-ed the bike off the road. A mate did something similar only he hit false neutral...paniced, bashed it into first at 140k and locked the back wheel up all the way into a ditch.

[Toaster]

And meet hot nurses!!

mmmmmmm hot nurses.........

[Guitana]

mmmmmmm hot nurses.........

MMMMMMMMMMM TWO HOT NURSES GIVING ME A BED BATH!!!!!!!

[Toaster]

MMMMMMMMMMM TWO HOT NURSES GIVING ME A BED BATH!!!!!!!

All they did was leave me there with a cold wet sponge in my hand and a neck and back brace holding me still... as if I could wash myself. So much for THAT fantasy!!

[scumdog]

Warning: when you overtake on a real short stretch of road or between corners with what appears to be enough room, then consider that if you are doing this on your bike, who is to say that someone else is doing exactly the same coming the other way on their bike? If that's the case, you really cannot complete that overtake in all safety.

So, whenever you are about to complete a speedy, short distance overtake, do so in the belief that a motorcyclist is coming the opposite way at the speeds that you will hit during the overtake and I believe there will definitely be times that you will know an overtake cannot be completed without endangering yourself or others.

Just a thought but one worth considering I think.

I have seen that often - and also see it when one guy passes in marginal conditions and then the two or three behind him decide "He got past, must be o.k." - the sheep mentallity!

But yeah, I DO think "what if somebody else is coming the other way cutting close to the centre line and hauling arse" quite often when in a twisty bit of road.

[Crasherfromwayback]

MMMMMMMMMMM TWO HOT NURSES GIVING ME A BED BATH!!!!!!!

Mate....if they look ANYTHING like the nurses I've had over the years.....you'd rather wash yourself!:shutup:

[Guitana]

Mate....if they look ANYTHING like the nurses I've had over the years.....you'd rather wash yourself!:shutup:

Sounds like you lucked out on the hot nurses on your last visit!!

The two I got were really freindly and sympathetic that was until it came to pulling the Catheter out FUCK that hurt!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sounds like you lucked out on the hot nurses on your last visit!!

The two I got were really freindly and sympathetic that was until it came to pulling the Catheter out FUCK that hurt!!!

They were fantastic people and gave me the best care though.....don't envy you mate.....OUCH!:sick:

[Dooly]

The two I got were really freindly and sympathetic that was until it came to pulling the Catheter out FUCK that hurt!!!

And its a real bastard when they say they're going to take the cathetor out and dont for hours, leaving you wondering and dreading when they're going to do it!
And yeah, it hurts!!!!!!!!!
First few pisses aint pleasant either!

[inlinefour]

did an overtaking manouver last Sat when the salesman did not get out of my way after me politely asking him to move. I knew I did not have enough room (funnily enough I was the same on the CBR), so I ran the bastards foot over and scragged his leg also. He got upset, until I told him that I had done it on purpose...

Only get one life, make sure you live it as long as you can, however don't ride like a pussy or you will never get the feeling that you are truely alive.

[slinky]

Dont think too hard about it, or else you will lose your 1-2 second window of when you could have gone

[scumdog]

Dont think too hard about it, or else you will lose your 1-2 second window of when you could have gone

Is that 'gone' as in killed yourself with a screwed up overtaking effort or is it 'gone' as in passing a car?

[gixermike]

I find that when I'm in the Ute and people overtake me, they just dawdle past, trying to go as slow as possible...an put themselves (and me) in really dodgy head to head situations. I think it's because they are so scared of getting a speeding ticket they try to stick close to 100k's, rather than just putting their toe down and getting it done quickly and safely...and then backing off once past...

[The Pastor]

I find that when I'm in the Ute and people overtake me, they just dawdle past, trying to go as slow as possible...an put themselves (and me) in really dodgy head to head situations. I think it's because they are so scared of getting a speeding ticket they try to stick close to 100k's, rather than just putting their toe down and getting it done quickly and safely...and then backing off once past...

You can thank the speed camera's and cops waiting at the end of over taking lanes for that one!

[terbang]

A human factor or a human quirk is that when we are surveying the scene ahead for danger we tend to only look for something bigger than us, perciving that as our major threat. Objects smaller than ourselves tend to get overlooked and can become invisible as the brain blocks them out. Thats why us motorcyclists are often, well nearly allways, invisible to cage drivers.

[Motoracer]

Good post Paul, how's that ankle of yours coming along?

[beyond]

Thanks Motoracer,

Yep, ankles all good. Clocked another 3500kms on the bike since getting it back. Man I love riding. :)

It's going in for it's 6,000km service on Thursday.

I did find out what caused my off by the way:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=43736

[BurningPlastic]

One thing to keep in mind when overtaking is where any cars behind you happen to be.

A mate ended up under a bus when he moved out a little to see around a truck, and the following car thought it would be a good idea to pull up next to him so that when he saw the bus coming the other way, he had nowhere to go (wall on the other side of the road).

[bluninja]

I go by the rule of thumb that if I can complete my overtake in 1/3rd of the available clear road I'm safe. That allows someone to appear travelling at the same speed as me in the opposite direction as I start my overtake and still give me a margin for error on getting back to my side....it also allows me road space to complete the manoever and setup for the next bend.

I would have to be pretty unlucky to overtake at 100 mph and have something appear travelling towards me in excess of 200 mph just as I start. But then I have the option of braking hard and aborting....OR giving it a bit more to complete my manoever quicker. Actually there aren't that many vehicles on the road capable of exceeding 200mph on the straight, let alone exiting a bend.

[Ixion]

The mention by the last poster of aborting an overtaking manoeuvre is an important point.

The decision to overtake or not is determined by what is behind you as well as what is in front of you.

If there is no traffic behind you, you can allow less overtaking space, since if something does appear at high speed round that corner, you have the option to abort , brake hard and slip back where you were. Whereas if there is traffic behind you, it will like as not move up into your "place" immediately you pull out, leaving you nowhere to go back into if you want to abort.

I have saved quite a few people from nastiness in such circumstances, by NOT moving up when they pull out. A few moments later they ahve been very glad to be able to drop back into where they came from.

[McJim]

It also doesn't help when so many people in New Zealand are guilty of attempted murder...accelerating while being overtaken.

As Billy Connolly said of New Zealand drivers "If I overtake you it's nothing personal."