Stop picking up the soap you idiots! [Archive]

Finn

14th February 2007, 06:06

I've always said that just about everything in NZ is overpriced. Yes, we're an remote island and bla, bla de bla, but in this global economy there's just no excuse anymore.

Take a look here for example...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10423900

Not only is this over the top but the build quality would compare to an Indian shantytown. Another reason to stay clear of NZ made.

EVERYTHING WE BUY IS WAY OVERPRICED!!! Freight is not the problem. $2000 to ship a container from the US. Our dollar has been strong for some time now. It's just kiwi's ripping kiwi's off full stop.

Make a stand sheep! Stop throwing your hard earned cash over the counter. The internet is your friend. Use it!

marty

14th February 2007, 06:14

Finn

14th February 2007, 06:29

SuperDave

14th February 2007, 06:50

Why do you continue to live here in NZ Finn?

Guitana

14th February 2007, 07:16

It really steams ya clams ay!!! I had to laugh at the comment about the apprentices! There is a shortage of them too! After all what young guy wants to work hard these days for what amounts to $8.00 an hour doing an apprenticeship when his mates earn twice that as an office boy in the CBD!
The young people of today are'nt interested in doing trades and we have the GOVT to blame for that!! Where are the tradesmen??? Why their in Australia earning real money because the buisnesses in OZ pay well for skilled workers!!

Guitana

14th February 2007, 07:24

i've just spent about $1600/m2 in my house (300m2). it's come up ok - a few things still pissing me off - mostly tradesman quality related, but the bloody price of timber/aluminium/shischt is just ridiculous - especially as those are all locally sourced products.

The Timber Thats owned by japanese corporations and sold back to us at inflated prices!
Aluminiums expensive to buy because the Chinese are buying up 40% of the worlds supply same for steel and stainless steel.
And schist well thats probably governed by the cost of fuel and labour.
You could contact Phillip Taito Feilds I hear he's running a labour for immigration scheme you might have to put up a few Thai immigrants in your garage for a few months but it's worth the hassle!!!!

Karma

14th February 2007, 07:26

mmm...

www.maurice.com

The_Dover

14th February 2007, 07:43

what young guy wants to work hard these days for what amounts to $8.00 an hour doing an apprenticeship when his mates earn twice that as an office boy in the CBD!

i like to think of myself as a bit more than just an office boy.

Guitana

14th February 2007, 08:00

i like to think of myself as a bit more than just an office boy.

You know what I mean a young guy who's just left school and entered the work force!! And just discovered that offices are full of good looking women while his mates in a cold shitty workshop getting sexually harrassed by his homophobic co-workers!!

James Deuce

14th February 2007, 08:15

i like to think of myself as a bit more than just an office boy.

Don;t we all. The reality is, we're all just grist to the mill.

But Finn has a point.

Crisis management

14th February 2007, 08:27

I don't know where they get their numbers from, but I get mine from Rawlinsons construction handbook:
House, 1 storey, weatherboard or brick caldding: $1525 to 1775 per sq. m.
House, 2 storey, brick or plaster and weatherboards: $1,775 to 2,050 per sq. m.
House, large (200 to 600 sq.m.) $3,100 to 3,400 per sq. m.

All these plus GST and assume an easy level site for building........

Most of my design work is renovations in the order of $200,000 to 400,000 and I am working off $2,000 to $2,500 per sq. m. That seems reasonably accurate.

As a complete contrast, a family friend's son (21) just finished his electrical apprenticeship has bought a house in howick (auckland suburb / reasonable quality). So it is possible.

Motu

14th February 2007, 08:32

Where are the tradesmen??? Why their in Australia earning real money because the buisnesses in OZ pay well for skilled workers!!

Because rich arseholes like Finn keep complaining about how much they charge for their work! How can you earn good money if you can't charge good money? No one can survive on a 10% mark up these days.l.

scumdog

14th February 2007, 08:33

Exactly. $1600/m2 for some plaster a thin timber frame, pink batts (WTF) and a bit of jib. It's a joke.

This goes beyond just housing. Cars, motorbikes, electronics, food, services (especially) just about everything.

I say no more. When you can, buy directly over the internet... as in .com not .co.nz.

I know what ya mean - I can hardly afford to buy more bling for my Harley, - and have you seen the price of tassles lately??????

The amount you Aucklanders are prepared to pay for a house has forced the prices around here over the $100,000 for a four bedroom home - bastards!!!

Guitana

14th February 2007, 09:34

Because rich arseholes like Finn keep complaining about how much they charge for their work! How can you earn good money if you can't charge good money? No one can survive on a 10% mark up these days.l.

Yes it is frustrating for tradesmen when the customers bitch and moan about the cost of labour maybe they could consider doing it for free!!!
But they dont bat an eye when some sweaty scrotumed Real estate vampire charges them $12k to sell their house!! Fuck that I sold my own and bought a bike with the proceeds and everytime I ride it I think fuck you realestate wankers fuck you very much!!!!!!!

Toaster

14th February 2007, 09:38

i've just spent about $1600/m2 in my house (300m2). it's come up ok - a few things still pissing me off - mostly tradesman quality related, but the bloody price of timber/aluminium/shischt is just ridiculous - especially as those are all locally sourced products.

Agreed. I had built for me a 240sqm home in 2005 - cost a fortune and all the tradespeople were always late/in a rush/made mistakes and charged like wounded bulls. The only good thing was designing it and project managing it to have a say in what happended in the process. Council was a rip-off too.

Finn

14th February 2007, 09:47

Because rich arseholes like Finn keep complaining about how much they charge for their work! How can you earn good money if you can't charge good money? No one can survive on a 10% mark up these days.l.

I've very rarely complain about the cost of monkey work in NZ, just the piss poor quality.

It's partly about how much they earn but it's more about what their money buys them... which is why I started this thread. EVERYTHING IS OVERPRICED HERE which is why people have a rip off mentality. If things in NZ were priced fairly, people would be much better off.

Finn

14th February 2007, 09:48

Why do you continue to live here in NZ Finn?

I'm a refugee. What's your excuse?

ManDownUnder

14th February 2007, 09:59

From the article...
===
It was possible that housing costs were affected by near-monopolies on building materials and overly stringent construction requirements, partly caused by reaction to the leaky homes problem.
===

A wee example of the BS out there.

I was (past tense) in the business of selling underhouse watter tanks - a kind of hot water bottle sustem holding gazillions of litres of water.... minimises people's water bill, prevents councils from needing bigger pipes (i.e. save sthem money) etc etc etc. It really is a winning proposition from the logistics side of things.

So I go to council and tell them to approve said product - it's met all the necessary standards under the building code and the like, I supply them with the certificates and their reaction?

Talk to BRANZ - it has to be BRANZ approved. "No no" says I, it needs to meet the standards required, BRANZ can test and certify that or - I can give you these certificates which legitimatly testify they do!

No no says the council. Only BRANZ can do that. They an accredited testing lab.

You see where it's going...

The bit I'm eventually getting to... BRANZ approval would get us into councils, but costs $15,000 up front, and an ongoing fee of $3,000/year - per product (there are 3). Suddenly it's prohibitively expensive.

The startup costs certainly didn't help the business - indeed contributed to it's lack of progress... among other things. But what if I'd done it - got the BRANZ approval. It was the only way to really get into the NZ market en masse, and I'd be sitting on $45k of debt up from, and $9k/pa ongoing.

For no good reason. So who do I pass that on to? YOU GUYS!

You can thank the council.

Finn

14th February 2007, 10:03

Yes it is frustrating for tradesmen when the customers bitch and moan about the cost of labour maybe they could consider doing it for free!!!
But they dont bat an eye when some sweaty scrotumed Real estate vampire charges them $12k to sell their house!! Fuck that I sold my own and bought a bike with the proceeds and everytime I ride it I think fuck you realestate wankers fuck you very much!!!!!!!

This is what I'm talking about. Here's another example: Real Estate Agents charging up to 5% for doing sweet fuck all. "Oh, this one has fabulous indoor - outdoor flow." "Really? Looks like a fucking sliding door to me bitch." Lets not leave out the Recruitment industry. 15% for emailing you a CV and having a coffee with your candidate. Last time I looked, a coffee was $3.50 and sending email was free.

Guitana

14th February 2007, 10:16

This is what I'm talking about. Here's another example: Real Estate Agents charging up to 5% for doing sweet fuck all. "Oh, this one has fabulous indoor - outdoor flow." "Really? Looks like a fucking sliding door to me bitch." Lets not leave out the Recruitment industry. 15% for emailing you a CV and having a coffee with your candidate. Last time I looked, a coffee was $3.50 and sending email was free.

Ah the Recruitment industry now that's another form of PARASITE !!!

avgas

14th February 2007, 10:27

avgas

14th February 2007, 10:29

Ah the Recruitment industry now that's another form of PARASITE !!!

Fucken wankers, after 5 interveiws with my recruitment lady, i finally get to meet the manager of the company im applying for.
Waste my fucking time bitch, its not like i needed those 4 hours.

RantyDave

14th February 2007, 10:33

Lets not leave out the Recruitment industry. 15% for emailing you a CV and having a coffee with your candidate.
Fine, so leave out the recruitment industry. Bash together an advert, put it in JobStuff, sift through the replies and hire the one you want. The last time I did this I got a few candidates applying just because they realised the advert was placed by the company actually looking to hire them.

The standard recruitment industry reply to this is "Ah, but we have a database full of high quality candidates". No you fucking don't. If they're sat on their arse doing nothing, it's because either they, or you, are shit. The other thing they do is call round every vaguely applicable candidate that's ever been through their books and say "hey, fancy shitting on your current employer?".

From the candidate's perspective OTOH they do provide a valuable service. They, effectively, trawl round town looking for lazy-arse overpaid managers that can be persuaded to pay $100/hr for some attitude laden geek to amble in and recommend that they chase round after the latest shiny thing. Stops me from having to do it, right?

Dave

RantyDave

14th February 2007, 10:38

Here's another example: Real Estate Agents charging up to 5% for doing sweet fuck all.
AND while we're on the subject of Estate Agents....

You know how Estate Agents can "get a much better price for your house than you could if you worked alone"? Like how much better - 40k? 60k? So why don't they run around buying up all the houses that are being sold privately then flicking them on themselves and pocketing the difference? Hmmm?

Because they can't. Because they wouldn't make a damn penny. All Estate Agents do is stand in the middle in a high value transaction and clip the ticket on the way through - value add, my arse.

Mind you, it's not like it's a job I'd want to do.

Dave

Motu

14th February 2007, 10:39

EVERYTHING IS OVERPRICED HERE which is why people have a rip off mentality. If things in NZ were priced fairly, people would be much better off.

You must be joking - everyday in my industry I have flyers and reps coming in with new cheap prices for the parts I resell.Here is one from yesterday....

All ball joints - $12.95

All tie rod ends - $6.95

All rack ends - $8.95

All idler/pitman arms - $13.75

How the fuck am I to survive on profit margins on product prices like that? Pitman arms used to retail at around $200 a few years ago,even at 20% mark up it was ok profit - how the fuck am I to make money on $13.75? If I bump my prices up enough to cover the cost of writting out a cheque the customer complains - ''But I can get them for $13.75 at Repco,you are a rip off artist and I'm going to complain on the internet and destroy your business''.

I've never seen stuff so cheap,shit I bought a hammer drill with a 13mm chuck for $16 85 - someone is sure getting ripped off,but it's not me....except for the quality,and that's not because it's made in NZ.

xwhatsit

14th February 2007, 10:40

:dodge:
But realistically what are you going to do - you cant buy pine from Peru for less than NZ can you?
The fact of the matter is anything is NZ is owned my some fat wanker somewhere else. We sold them so we could help keep NZ unemployment going cos there are wankers in this cuntry that cant be biffed working at the dump for $8/hr - i fucken did, i had no fricken choice. I fall into that catagory on NZ's who can get fuck all from the govt except tax.

I'd be wary about saying we sold out to pay for welfare benefits -- we have the second lowest unemployment rate in the OECD -- 3.4%. That's fucking low. Australia, by comparison, has a 4.8% unemployment rate, which is also considered pretty low by many standards. Of course there are always wankers who can't be stuffed working -- also many people who can't work for various reasons. But I'd be wary of saying we have a problem with giving away all our money to welfare recipients, because we don't have many, even compared to our `big brother'. You've got to have an unemployment benefit if you want to have a country where basic human rights and welfare are looked after adequately.

Finn

14th February 2007, 10:58

You must be joking - everyday in my industry I have flyers and reps coming in with new cheap prices for the parts I resell.Here is one from yesterday....

All ball joints - $12.95

All tie rod ends - $6.95

All rack ends - $8.95

All idler/pitman arms - $13.75

How the fuck am I to survive on profit margins on product prices like that? Pitman arms used to retail at around $200 a few years ago,even at 20% mark up it was ok profit - how the fuck am I to make money on $13.75? If I bump my prices up enough to cover the cost of writting out a cheque the customer complains - ''But I can get them for $13.75 at Repco,you are a rip off artist and I'm going to complain on the internet and destroy your business''.

I've never seen stuff so cheap,shit I bought a hammer drill with a 13mm chuck for $16 85 - someone is sure getting ripped off,but it's not me....except for the quality,and that's not because it's made in NZ.

Market forces play with all businesses Motu. I'm sure when you're not on KB, you probably work reasonably hard for your money. What I'm getting at is what it costs to run your business and if there's anything left over for yourself, that doesn't go very far because EVERYTHING IS OVER PRICED IN NZ (except for Motu's garage) Hey, I'll take one of those $13.75 Pitman arms for the Porsche. When can you fit it?

P.S. What's a Pitman Arm?

Karma

14th February 2007, 11:05

Everything (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42052) is overpriced in NZ...

There's really not a lot you can do about it.

ManDownUnder

14th February 2007, 11:07

What's the cost of compliance on building a new house - let's say a $200,000 house in Auckland?

I'm willing to bet it's $5,000 to $7,000? Not an insignificant amount for the council to pop out, take a wee peek at stuff and make you rip it down or approve it on the spot...

I mean - assume they charge $100/hour for their services (and they should be pretty fucken good at that rate)... ya think they actually put in 50 to 70 hours of work per house?

I'm willing to pro rate that argument depending on the actual cost of compliance.

Finn

14th February 2007, 11:35

Everything (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42052) is overpriced in NZ...

There's really not a lot you can do about it.

Exactly! That bike should be no more than $15,000 brand new which means I should be selling it for around $10 - $12k. Everybody would be better off.

scumdog

14th February 2007, 11:59

. But I'd be wary of saying we have a problem with giving away all our money to welfare recipients, because we don't have many, even compared to our `big brother'. You've got to have an unemployment benefit if you want to have a country where basic human rights and welfare are looked after adequately.

It's not JUST unemployment - the Gov't hides people like that putting them on the Sickness Benefit etc etc
Fuck the lazy leeches that don't want to work and just exist to fill the Courts.

Make the unemployment as unpleasant as it is in the the US.
No job? = no drivers licence & no car.
Owe reparation for a crime? same again.

I bet there ain't too many dole-bludgers in China either.
NZ is waaay too easy on lay-a-bout 'don't WANT to work' leeches.
Why should I support their hobby?

Rant over, as you were....

outlawtorn

14th February 2007, 12:03

outlawtorn

14th February 2007, 12:04

It's not JUST unemployment - the Gov't hides people like that putting them on the Sickness Benefit etc etc
Fuck the lazy leeches that don't want to work and just exist to fill the Courts.

Make the unemployment as unpleasant as it is in the the US.
No job? = no drivers licence & no car.
Owe reparation for a crime? same again.

I bet there ain't too many dole-bludgers in China either.
NZ is waaay too easy on lay-a-bout 'don't WANT to work' leeches.
Why should I support their hobby?

Rant over, as you were....

scumdog, please run for prime minister, you'd get my vote!!!

The_Dover

14th February 2007, 12:05

Exactly! That bike should be no more than $15,000 brand new which means I should be selling it for around $10 - $12k. Everybody would be better off.

That bike should be set on fire.

scumdog

14th February 2007, 12:08

P.S. What's a Pitman Arm?

I think you got it from to much fap..fap..fap activity:innocent:

Finn

14th February 2007, 12:11

That bike should be set on fire.

That's enough from you, jerk.

SPman

14th February 2007, 12:16

What's the cost of compliance on building a new house - let's say a $200,000 house in Auckland?

I'd allow $20k all up, what with Resource management,council hassles,plans, etc, etc,etc

I don't know where they get their numbers from, but I get mine from Rawlinsons construction handbook:
House, 1 storey, weatherboard or brick caldding: $1525 to 1775 per sq. m.
House, 2 storey, brick or plaster and weatherboards: $1,775 to 2,050 per sq. m.
House, large (200 to 600 sq.m.) $3,100 to 3,400 per sq. m.

All these plus GST and assume an easy level site for building........

Most of my design work is renovations in the order of $200,000 to 400,000 and I am working off $2,000 to $2,500 per sq. m. That seems reasonably accurate.
Rawlinsons, Perth
House 150 - 350m2 med std, full brick, $1130-1215 per m2
House,150 - 350m2 prestige,full aircon, full brick, $2170 - $2335 per m2

The_Dover

14th February 2007, 12:20

That's enough from you, jerk.

where's my damn lunch? couldn't you reach the last sandwich at the back of the bottom shelf?

Finn

14th February 2007, 12:34

where's my damn lunch? couldn't you reach the last sandwich at the back of the bottom shelf?

That attitude won't make you employee of the month will it?

SwanTiger

14th February 2007, 14:18

That attitude won't make you employee of the month will it?
What does Dover do all day, anything actually productive?

Ben Dover
Snr. KB Talk-shit-all-day Analyst

Finn's Gay Bar
43 K'rd, Newton

ManDownUnder

14th February 2007, 14:23

What does Dover do all day, anything actually productive?

Ben Dover
Snr. KB Talk-shit-all-day Analyst

Finn's Gay Bar
43 K'rd, Newton

Nope - he doesn't work here. I understand he's into Dwarf Tossing...

The_Dover

14th February 2007, 14:29

What does Dover do all day, anything actually productive?

Ben Dover
Snr. KB Talk-shit-all-day Analyst

Finn's Gay Bar
43 K'rd, Newton

Probably a shit load more than you, you fat knacker.

Finn

14th February 2007, 14:32

What does Dover do all day, anything actually productive?

He keeps the beer fridge full... after he empties it.

SwanTiger

14th February 2007, 14:36

Probably a shit load more than you, you fat knacker.
Hmm lets see, I went and looked at a bike for a KB'er, then looked at 12 cars, then took my new car for a thrash up SH17, then my little girl and I wen't out to get lunch, then did about half an hours worth of work on the phone and made $1,200 then wen't for another drive in the car, now I'm back and got a bit more work to do.

Life is good.

Yep, you probably do a shit load more work than me :yes:

But that's okay.

The_Dover

14th February 2007, 14:45

Hmm lets see, I went and looked at a bike for a KB'er, then looked at 12 cars, then took my new car for a thrash up SH17, then my little girl and I wen't out to get lunch, then did about half an hours worth of work on the phone and made $1,200 then wen't for another drive in the car, now I'm back and got a bit more work to do.

Life is good.

Yep, you probably do a shit load more work than me :yes:

But that's okay.

let me guess, your new car is a people carrier and your half hour work on the phone was a quick call to WINZ or the treaty commision?

i think you're all shit, otherwise you'd be riding round on a repsol now instead of talking about it and you wouldn't be trying to score a bargain deal on a fucking $500 repsol jacket.

SwanTiger

14th February 2007, 14:57

let me guess, your new car is a people carrier and your half hour work on the phone was a quick call to WINZ or the treaty commision?

i think you're all shit, otherwise you'd be riding round on a repsol now instead of talking about it and you wouldn't be trying to score a bargain deal on a fucking $500 repsol jacket.
Haha, yeah something like that, I have WINZ and 0800 WAITANGI GREIVENCES on speed dial. Check your PM for the other one.

kro

14th February 2007, 16:38

The thing that amazes me in NZ, is the utter lack of conformity of standards.

I work in the drainage and water reticulation industry, and know for a fact that there is nearly a different sized/shaped/patterned manhole cover used in nearly every town/city in NZ. Why is this?. Why can we not have one type nationwide?.
Foundrys and importers nationwide could dramatically rationalise their product ranges to half a dozen castings (tens of thousands saved in pattern costs alone), and then the price would come down........ why would it come down?....If they went to one type nationwide, then the price war starts, and because I can buy my manhole covers from one of 50 different places nationwide, instead of just one....... the price suddenly reflects the value of the goods, and it stops being a sellers market, and boom, everyone wins.

Just as an example, the Nelson City Council cast iron manhole cover has a big gay flowery design on it, and is 600mm in diameter, and there is one for stormwater manholes, and one for sewer manholes.... and these are pretty much only made in Nelson, by Nelson Foundry, and cost the end user 457.00 ea. That's right, nearly $500.00 for a fucking crappy old technology lump of cast iron that is smeared in bitumen, that is basically covering a poo hole in the road..... if you took the manhole cover back to the foundry, you may get $8.00 scrap for it.

The manhole example is one of hundreds in my industry, perhaps even a thousand or more.

Motu

14th February 2007, 16:53

One manhole cover for all - excellent comrade....can I interest you in a Lada? There must be competion in the manhole industry,no monopolies or price fixing.

Teflon

14th February 2007, 17:17

You know what I mean a young guy who's just left school and entered the work force!! And just discovered that offices are full of good looking women while his mates in a cold shitty workshop getting sexually harrassed by his homophobic co-workers!!

Yes, we do need more woman in our industry.. but, it is fun shaping these innocent, naive kids into absolute cunts.

kro

14th February 2007, 19:31

One manhole cover for all - excellent comrade....can I interest you in a Lada? There must be competion in the manhole industry,no monopolies or price fixing.

A rather glib interpretation of a workable idea involving manhole covers, not human rights or politics.

The standardisation of infrastructure practises and products would better facilitate contractors to work anywhere in the country where there is work that the locals can't handle. They can slap all the gear in the ground the same they do in their own town, without having to read every council specifications documents across the country. The specs are typically a full foolscap folder, not exactly light reading.

TonyB

14th February 2007, 19:56

Couldn't be arsed reading the full article, but what the nice people at the Auckland city Council aren't telling you is what a huge part they play in upping the cost- if they're anything like their Christchurch partners in crime that is.

'Development contributions' etc levied by the CCC now for new developments add up to a massive sum of money. From memory its in the tens of thousands per section and going up frequently. Remember though, the reason why real estate in NZ is becoming so bloody unaffordable is because successive governments have allowed NZ to be sold off to the highest overseas bidder.

I must say though, there seem to be a few threads by immigrants whining about what a shit hole New Zealand is. If it's so bloody terrible, why the hell did you move here? That's a serious question, not a windup.

geoffm

14th February 2007, 20:39

Couldn't be arsed reading the full article, but what the nice people at the Auckland city Council aren't telling you is what a huge part they play in upping the cost- if they're anything like their Christchurch partners in crime that is.

'Development contributions' etc levied by the CCC now for new developments add up to a massive sum of money.
.

A ustomer of mine has been hit with a development contribution of a bit over $500k for 28 retirement cottage villa thingies in Tauranga. The council take is as much as the cost of the units. I think the project got scrapped.
The councils add HUGE costs, as anyoen who has done any building will know. 5-10% of the budget is not unknown - for doing nothing and taking no liability or garentee.
There are a lot of monopolies or near monopolies in NZ on supply. I recall a few years ago a developer in Queenstown brought in mateirals in bulk from Aussie and saved 20% off the top. May have brought in labour as well.
Geoff

marty

14th February 2007, 21:12

let me guess, your new car is a people carrier and your half hour work on the phone was a quick call to WINZ or the treaty commision?

i think you're all shit, otherwise you'd be riding round on a repsol now instead of talking about it and you wouldn't be trying to score a bargain deal on a fucking $500 repsol jacket.

i'd say full of shit.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=933892&postcount=421

can't do 100hr weeks if you're jollying about on sh17.

Toaster

14th February 2007, 21:17

It's not JUST unemployment - the Gov't hides people like that putting them on the Sickness Benefit etc etc
Fuck the lazy leeches that don't want to work and just exist to fill the Courts.
..

Ah, said it like a true legend. I couldn't agree more! Has anyone worked out the 'numbers' on all the useless unemployed bludgers they transferred from unemployed to sickness beneficiary? I'm sure Labour wouldn't be keen to see that published, because oh they got the unemployment rate down (by shifting long-term unemployed no-hopers into sickness benefits and employing bureaucrats on mass into the public service).

SuperDave

14th February 2007, 21:46

I'm a refugee. What's your excuse?

You're very well off for a refugee.

I live here because I moved here from South Africa with my family and I'm too young for personal immigration to be really feasible for me. But to be honest I actually like it here.

Why are you really here, why don't you just go somewhere else if it's so bad here?

I see what you're saying in starting this thread but I also recall you bagging a lot of other things here as well. That's the reason for my question to you.

SwanTiger

14th February 2007, 22:01

:love:
i'd say full of shit.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=933892&postcount=421

can't do 100hr weeks if you're jollying about on sh17.

Learn to read you clown.

I work 100 + hours most weeks

You're welcome to spend one of those weeks with me if you like Marty, it's nice having a little bum boy to run around after you, and I'm sure you'd do a great job of it being an ex-piggy and all :love:

Finn

15th February 2007, 06:59

You're very well off for a refugee.

I live here because I moved here from South Africa with my family and I'm too young for personal immigration to be really feasible for me. But to be honest I actually like it here.

Why are you really here, why don't you just go somewhere else if it's so bad here?

I see what you're saying in starting this thread but I also recall you bagging a lot of other things here as well. That's the reason for my question to you.

Cause I like fat chicks.

Guitana

15th February 2007, 11:05

Ah, said it like a true legend. I couldn't agree more! Has anyone worked out the 'numbers' on all the useless unemployed bludgers they transferred from unemployed to sickness beneficiary? I'm sure Labour wouldn't be keen to see that published, because oh they got the unemployment rate down (by shifting long-term unemployed no-hopers into sickness benefits and employing bureaucrats on mass into the public service).

You're right TOASTER me old bread cooker it's just a matter of moving people around, a numbers game then Aunty Helen can proudly stand in front of all her constituents and say in her best manly voice:In our term We have lowered unemployment!!! There may be ten thousand less unemployed but theres alot more sick cunts in NZ!!
No wonder the doctors are fucken leaving!!! Too much like hard work!

Guitana

15th February 2007, 11:06

Cause I like fat chicks.

Yeah FAT CHICKS can be fun!!!!!!!! Big Bouncy Castles full of lovin!

TonyB

17th February 2007, 07:37

A ustomer of mine has been hit with a development contribution of a bit over $500k for 28 retirement cottage villa thingies in Tauranga. The council take is as much as the cost of the units. I think the project got scrapped.
The councils add HUGE costs, as anyoen who has done any building will know. 5-10% of the budget is not unknown - for doing nothing and taking no liability or garentee. Yep, the TA's try to justify their high charges by claiming that it offers protection to property owners. That's a tad rich when the whole "Leaky building" fiasco proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they offer no protection at all.

There are a lot of monopolies or near monopolies in NZ on supply. I recall a few years ago a developer in Queenstown brought in mateirals in bulk from Aussie and saved 20% off the top. May have brought in labour as well.
Geoff True. Many things here are like that though. How many options do we have for getting across Cook Strait?
Weren't Air NZ bailed out by the tax payer so that they could run first Ansett and then Quantas into the ground? The end result being that the tax payer GOES ON paying because airfares are monopolised.

Timber020

17th February 2007, 23:08

In most states of the US (sorry to bring up the yank nation so much lately) if a developer is interested in turning your bach, home or farm into in mall, mansion, bigger housing estate or retirement village, he can apply to the state to have it compolsury sold to him for GV if the tax taking on the newer property are going to be higher and therefore benefit that state or region. And the state is the one that values the property.

In other words, developer wants your land, state (council) will gain more tax or rates from him getting it so they force you to sell it to them.

The Wellington city council swapped some flat reserve land with a developer who had steep land that wasnt buildable or usable in any way. Now because the dog reserve is worth nothing (because its a reserve and cant be developed), they PAID the developer more to take it off there hands, then made the reserve residential. Its now worth a couple million with nothing on it and the developers laughing at getting public land and money in his pocket and WCC already had started with the nessesary water services before it was even mentioned in public. Oh wonder why you dont hear about this stuff? the WCC has a habit of not informing anyone by mysteriously not getting letters in the mailboxes or when they do the public submission ads they do it in newspapers outside of wellington. Neat trick huh?