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The Stranger
16th February 2007, 10:00
Anyone here a tight bastard and tried these?
What were your impressions?
The_Dover
16th February 2007, 10:03
i'm a tight bastard.
but i haven't tried them cos i think they're overpriced.
The Stranger
22nd February 2007, 12:09
Anyone here a tight bastard and tried these?
What were your impressions?
Well ok - I confess to being one such tight bastard.
Needed a new rear tyre for the GSXR.
So went to Kerry at Motohaus to see what selection he had. Options (in stock and in 190/50 17) were Avon Viper, Avon Storm and Shinko 005.
In keeping with my plan to try as many different tyres as i can and true to my (distant) scottish heritage, I went for the Shinko.
Scrubbed them in on the ATNR, taking it very easy for a start, not only was I on a brand new tyre, but it was a Shinko of all things. Also I really didn't want to bin on the ATNR, after last week, that would have been met with howls of derision and even more advice on how to "fix" the ride.
So - how are the tyres?
Well hey they aint bloody bad.
Got to admit I was a bit skeptical before I started but gradually upped the pace as the evening wore on and my confidence in them increased. They never gave me any cause for concern at all. Though I never pushed my limits and never gave it hell out of a corner I was still very impressed.
The profile is flatter than any other tyre I have used. This means there is quite a corner at the edge of the tyre and I find there is a point when leaning where it is a little trickier holding a constant lean angle - you got to apply a little more countersteer pressure to hold the line at that point. The bike tends to want to stand up quicker on exit as it rolls back over the edge. None of this is a problem, just a little different is all. Bit of a wierd vibe at about 50kph, which I believe is just due to the tread pattern, and will probably disapear as the tyre gets a little wear, and who rides at that speed anyway.
Went to Tauranga in the weekend 2up and from there out to Whangamata and back to kopu. The twisties were farken awesome 2up, again, big thumbs up for the rear tyre. I could feel the front starting to understeer at times just as i turned in. Just gave it some throttle to shift the weight back and all was sweet. The rear was 100% confident the whole time.
Can't comment on what they are like in the wet, but they will be gone by winter anyway.
Are the fancy tyres really worth $170.00 more than the Shinko?
Well I do bloody high km and wind up doing probably more commuting than open road riding. As I say the profile is quite flat, so I expect they will take the wear in the centre as a result of commuting quite well . So far I got to go with the Shinko and say no the extra $170.00 is not worth it.
But I will let you know once I have had a chance to really push it.
Hans
22nd February 2007, 15:29
Manufacturers didn't do much research on what the name sounds like. Google "chinko".
bugjuice
22nd February 2007, 15:31
got a link or pic of the tyre? i only look at the pictures
Fatjim
22nd February 2007, 15:39
Have you seen the add in the mags.
The celebrity endorsement remissnesses back to 1972 (or something like that) and compares them to the then Yokohama's (which they are). What a larf.
Crasherfromwayback
22nd February 2007, 16:11
They say that they're the same componds etc as they were when they were Yokohama's. So the 003 would still be a reasonable choice for a sports tyre.
Good enough in '91' to do flat 16's at Manfeild on a 250!
The Stranger
22nd February 2007, 16:16
Have you seen the add in the mags.
The celebrity endorsement remissnesses back to 1972 (or something like that) and compares them to the then Yokohama's (which they are). What a larf.
You seem quite knowlegable, what is more important for wet grip - tread pattern or compound?
kickingzebra
22nd February 2007, 16:23
i ran both 003s and 005s, 003s was when i was beginning to go a bit quicker, and the profile was too flat to really throw the 600 around. 005s were a steeper profile, and i ran them wet and dry. bloody great for the money, and if you are pushing them hard enough to lose traction i would damn weell hope you are on the race track!!!
i will put the set of 003s i have in the garage on the thousand when i am done with the ex race pirellis i currently have on it.
cheap, and plenty good enough, i would err towards the 005s personally.
SPman
22nd February 2007, 16:29
Had a 003 on the back of the ZX9 - very flat profile which felt a bit strange in the corners, but then, there arent that many twisties over here - ready to replace after 5000K - good dry weather grip. A lot of the drag guys seem to use them over here, but was warned about getting too exuberant by all the local track jockeys....
Mr. Peanut
22nd February 2007, 19:10
I've been using the 005 and it's pretty good! I can't really make a comparison as It's the first sport compound I've used.
The Stranger
26th February 2007, 14:17
Did the coro loop in the weekend. Farken awesome.
Ok I screwed up a series of corners - started going bad and just kept going. Can't really say the tyres caused any of it. They did feel a little wierd as you get a lot of lean on because of a fairly pronounced edge and this may have contributed to my unease at that time.
As the day wore on I got more and more confidence in the rear. The rear gave me no cause for concern after that at all and we were fair hiking at times.
I aren't trying to say they are the best road tyres and I still haven't experienced them in the wet yet. But they certainly aren't a bad tyre (in the dry) and quite surprisingly good given the price. I sure as hell will consider them again, well for summer at least.
granma2
26th February 2007, 17:32
My nephew has been using Chinko's on his bucket racer.
They are slicks and do just as good a job as the more expensive brands.
They do take a little longer to heat up than the other brands, but, once warm, they seem to hold well.
We have bought one as a spare for our race bike too.
Value for money.....yes.
idleidolidyll
26th February 2007, 17:45
ha!ha!ha!
Shinkos were my next option after grooved slicks (got them on now: excellent!).
At least the Shinkos would be road legal eh!
That all said though, I rang a shop in Auckland and was told about $500 for a pair.
I was under the impression these were cheap, like $350/pair
120/17 front and 180/17 rear 003's would be my choice since I never leave in the rain or even if rain is predicted for most of my rides. I gave up commuting years ago.
If the 'new' 003's at least have the same feel as the old ones, they should be just dandy.
idleidolidyll
26th February 2007, 17:47
Had a 003 on the back of the ZX9 - very flat profile which felt a bit strange in the corners, but then, there arent that many twisties over here - ready to replace after 5000K - good dry weather grip. A lot of the drag guys seem to use them over here, but was warned about getting too exuberant by all the local track jockeys....
does the ZX9 have a 6" rear wheel?
avgas
26th February 2007, 17:52
Cheers for that mate - i used to run shinko's years ago (as it was the only decent tyre for the RG at the time).
I'll prob try 1 on the fz, next time i get a new tyre.
The Stranger
26th February 2007, 17:55
ha!ha!ha!
Shinkos were my next option after grooved slicks (got them on now: excellent!).
At least the Shinkos would be road legal eh!
That all said though, I rang a shop in Auckland and was told about $500 for a pair.
I was under the impression these were cheap, like $350/pair
120/17 front and 180/17 rear 003's would be my choice since I never leave in the rain or even if rain is predicted for most of my rides. I gave up commuting years ago.
If the 'new' 003's at least have the same feel as the old ones, they should be just dandy.
Initailly I was quoted $250.00 for the rear, but with a little haggle the price went down quite a bit.
idleidolidyll
26th February 2007, 17:57
Initailly I was quoted $250.00 for the rear, but with a little haggle the price went down quite a bit.
that's more like it Stranger
the front would be about $175 then?
who'd ya buy them off?
DemonWolf
26th February 2007, 17:57
I'm running shinko's on the TL.. I do quite a few k's (36k last year) and I look for a more harder compound (and cheaper option!!).. does take longer to get them up to temperature.. but then again I'm not a hardcore rider, so they suit me and my budget... Got approx 9k out of a rear and nearly 18k from a front before.
KLOWN
26th February 2007, 18:02
I just got the 005 on my rear and has been great, not tried in the wet yet and haven't gone as fast as I could yet cause I was worried about them but I had more "moments" with my pilot powers then these. Also it was $210 including fitting when the pilot powers would have cost me $300-330 inc fitting
idleidolidyll
26th February 2007, 18:02
They say that they're the same componds etc as they were when they were Yokohama's. So the 003 would still be a reasonable choice for a sports tyre.
Good enough in '91' to do flat 16's at Manfeild on a 250!
Flat 16's in 91? On an F2 bike or proddy?
I know the lap record in 89 for 600's was 1.17.9 and that in the last 6 hour, Hippy was lapping within 1/10th of that record on Eddie Katenburgs Suzuki 600.
About that time lots of guys were using Yokos
But sure, the 003's were a good tyre and probably still are
Crasherfromwayback
26th February 2007, 18:17
Flat 16's in 91? On an F2 bike or proddy?
I know the lap record in 89 for 600's was 1.17.9 and that in the last 6 hour, Hippy was lapping within 1/10th of that record on Eddie Katenburgs Suzuki 600.
About that time lots of guys were using Yokos
But sure, the 003's were a good tyre and probably still are
KR1SP Kawasaki in 250 Proddie. On my way to the NZ 250 TT title.
We (Mark Boyle and myself) built the 10 KR1SP's in their shop. There's no such thing elsewhere in the world.
There were a few people in the race that were quite handy... Bruce Ainstey, Mike Mc Cutcheon, Grant Ramage, Johnny Hepburn, Loren Pool, Dave Cole and Tony Sampson.
It was my first year of 250 racing, and the first time I'd done the nationals.
There's a 'Blowing ones horn' example for ya....happy to admit it.
Proud even.
Fatjim
26th February 2007, 18:20
You seem quite knowlegable,
If you think that you must be stupid.
Fatjim
26th February 2007, 18:25
But sure, the 003's were a good tyre and probably still are
Tyres have come a looooooooooong way in the last 15 years. So if there a 15 year old compound on a 15 year carcass with a 15 year tread pattern then you'd have to be fairly generous to say they're anywhere near as good as a modern tyre such as a Diablo or Pilot X.
But hey I don't know shit, and I've never tried a shinko. But I'm happy not to. I put good tyres on my bike because it carries my carcass around, and it's precious to me.
idleidolidyll
26th February 2007, 18:27
KR1SP Kawasaki in 250 Proddie. On my way to the NZ 250 TT title.
We (Mark Boyle and myself) built the 10 KR1SP's in their shop. There's no such thing elsewhere in the world.
There were a few people in the race that were quite handy... Bruce Ainstey, Mike Mc Cutcheon, Grant Ramage, Johnny Hepburn, Loren Pool, Dave Cole and Tony Sampson.
It was my first year of 250 racing, and the first time I'd done the nationals.
There's a 'Blowing ones horn' example for ya....happy to admit it.
Proud even.
Never raced Bruce, Mike, Loren, Dave or Tony; they were in different classes or too young. Have raced and beaten Grant and Johnny when I moved to Chch late 80's. The racer to beat in the Sth Island back then in our class (600's), was Rob Lewis. We swapped race wins, Johnny was usually just behind us somewhere.
In Auckland I did manage to see of Mr Crafar once and he me once. We were on different bikes both times. Crayfish beat me at Whangarei on a Suzuki 1100 when I was on a Cagiva 650. I beat him at Tauranga him on his KR and me on my CBR. Paul Gee was close in behind me sometimes and beat us (mike Hogan and myself) at the 2 hour when we ran out of gas.
Like I said a while ago, I was a sucessful businessman, I never bothered doing a national series, just one offs except for 2 Auck champs I did when I won both (Jnr Prod, F2).
After I retired though, I helped a few you mention with their race teams.
Your nonsense about not noticing is just that, I didn't notice you either: it says fuck all.
But as said, you can still be the biggest dick
idleidolidyll
26th February 2007, 18:28
Tyres have come a looooooooooong way in the last 15 years. So if there a 15 year old compound on a 15 year carcass with a 15 year tread pattern then you'd have to be fairly generous to say they're anywhere near as good as a modern tyre such as a Diablo or Pilot X.
But hey I don't know shit, and I've never tried a shinko. But I'm happy not to. I put good tyres on my bike because it carries my carcass around, and it's precious to me.
depends on the bike, it's weight and HP
not every rider needs the stickiest rubber
Crasherfromwayback
26th February 2007, 18:36
After I retired though, I helped a few you mention with their race teams.
Your nonsense about not noticing is just that, I didn't notice you either: it says fuck all.
But as said, you can still be the biggest dick
I doubt that mate....you've got that one in the 'bag'!
The Stranger
26th February 2007, 18:43
But hey I don't know shit, and I've never tried a shinko. But I'm happy not to. I put good tyres on my bike because it carries my carcass around, and it's precious to me.
If your carcase is that precious you should get a cage.
Fatjim
27th February 2007, 13:07
Are you saying only those who don't value their lives highly should ride...... and those who are suicidal should use shinkos?
Actually I just bought a new cage the other day, glad you brought it up. Rather a sedate Accord in silver. Your mum would love it.
The Stranger
27th February 2007, 13:58
Are you saying only those who don't value their lives highly should ride...... and those who are suicidal should use shinkos?
No, simply that if you too scared to try something new and experiment you should retire and take the easy route.
The Stranger
27th February 2007, 14:17
Hey Imdying, not hassling you for the red rep or nothing, but you are most welcome to enter the debate and put your views in the thread. I don't bite - do I?
So which is the best tyre? - you get agreement on that one for me and I'll try it next aye.
Jimmy B
27th February 2007, 14:32
No, simply that if you too scared to try something new and experiment you should retire and take the easy route.
Good on you for giving these a go and more importantly posting your thoughts. Its amazing what consumers will pay when it comes to brand perception and the inherant price premium for perceived quality. Reminds me of the Skoda relaunch, one model has the Audi A6 donk on a VW Passat platform yet is many 10's of thousands cheaper - weird huh
SPman
27th February 2007, 18:25
does the ZX9 have a 6" rear wheel?The 9E (2000 - ) does - runs a 190 rear
No worries about slow heat up on 40 deg days......
idleidolidyll
28th February 2007, 08:33
The 9E (2000 - ) does - runs a 190 rear
No worries about slow heat up on 40 deg days......
yeah, thought it might
i wonder if the shinkos are designed for narrower rims, say 5" like in the 'good ol days' of Yokohama?
if they are, fitting them to 5.5" or 6" rims would tend to give them an odd flat profile.
i wonder if that kind of fitting data is available on their website?
Fatjim
1st March 2007, 16:33
No, simply that if you too scared to try something new and experiment you should retire and take the easy route.
Nothing new here to try, we're talking about 15 year old tyres mate. You should have said "simply that if you too scared to try something old and risky you should retire and take the easy route."
Its amazing what consumers will pay when it comes to brand perception and the inherant price premium for perceived quality. Reminds me of the Skoda relaunch, one model has the Audi A6 donk on a VW Passat platform yet is many 10's of thousands cheaper - weird huh
Hang on, you've done the same thing by assuming the VW engine in the Skoda makes it a good car. Who says the VW engine's any good? I'm not sure if they have a good rep for motors? Maybe you're still thinking they make air cooled flat 4's. Big news mate, they've moved on.
But I'm not talking brands here anyway, I'm talking technology and innovation that has improved motorcycle tyres over the last 2 decades. I personally like Yokohama tyres, run them on my car if the price is right. But I run a modern tyre not a 15 year old design on that as well.
The Stranger
1st March 2007, 16:45
Nothing new here to try, we're talking about 15 year old tyres mate. You should have said "simply that if you too scared to try something old and risky you should retire and take the easy route."
Hang on, you've done the same thing by assuming the VW engine in the Skoda makes it a good car. Who says the VW engine's any good? I'm not sure if they have a good rep for motors? Maybe you're still thinking they make air cooled flat 4's. Big news mate, they've moved on.
But I'm not talking brands here anyway, I'm talking technology and innovation that has improved motorcycle tyres over the last 2 decades. I personally like Yokohama tyres, run them on my car if the price is right. But I run a modern tyre not a 15 year old design on that as well.
So the moulds are 15yrs old and the tread pattern is 15yrs old. Your proof that the compounds are 15yrs old is?
Tread pattern is not that important - especially in the dry.
The tyre salesman - a chap very well respected on KB and a member here - advised me that they recently poached people from Pirelli and improved them significantly as a result.
I invite you to prove him wrong and I will take it up with him, in no uncertain terms.
SPman
1st March 2007, 17:24
yeah, thought it might
i wonder if the shinkos are designed for narrower rims, say 5" like in the 'good ol days' of Yokohama?
Dunno - mine was a 190/55?x17 - was new on the bike when I got it - was rooted at 6000k when the Roo took me out!
Fatjim
1st March 2007, 19:53
So the moulds are 15yrs old and the tread pattern is 15yrs old. Your proof that the compounds are 15yrs old is?
Tread pattern is not that important - especially in the dry.
The tyre salesman - a chap very well respected on KB and a member here - advised me that they recently poached people from Pirelli and improved them significantly as a result.
I invite you to prove him wrong and I will take it up with him, in no uncertain terms.
Funny how the tread pattern is the easiest & cheapest thing to update yet they update all the bits hidden underneath. They'd sell more tyres using the old techniques and compounds with a "modern" tread pattern than the other way round, and lets face it, they make tyres for what reason? To make money.
The only people who really know what goes into this tyre are the manufacturer's engineers. They don't talk to salespeople very much in NZ. No matter how well respected they are on KB.
Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, doesn't really matter. What really matters is that your getting pissed off over someone voicing what is essentially an opinion.
ajturbo
1st March 2007, 20:28
Dunno - mine was a 190/55?x17 - was new on the bike when I got it - was rooted at 6000k when the Roo took me out!
that will teach you to ride in a the west island
The Stranger
1st March 2007, 21:20
Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, doesn't really matter. What really matters is that your getting pissed off over someone voicing what is essentially an opinion.
Ha ha, no, you are. My opinion was that they are quite reasonable tyres. You took issue with that.
I am actually quite tollerant of people who don't know what they are talking about.
Jimmy B
2nd March 2007, 07:34
Hang on, you've done the same thing by assuming the VW engine in the Skoda makes it a good car. Who says the VW engine's any good? I'm not sure if they have a good rep for motors? Maybe you're still thinking they make air cooled flat 4's. Big news mate, they've moved on.
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Hey Fatjim, are we talking the same point here? In my simple way I was trying to draw a comparision that good bad or otherwise people will pay a premium for what is essentially the same thing if its branded correctly. Hence Skoda and Audi share a lot of components yet one is vastly more expensive. Could not the same be said about Shinko and name brand tyres?
And BTW your "big news" is good news 'cause I import (both of) them from the factory on behalf of the wholesaler and have done so for 10 years.
Fatjim
2nd March 2007, 10:52
Hey Fatjim, are we talking the same point here? In my simple way I was trying to draw a comparision that good bad or otherwise people will pay a premium for what is essentially the same thing if its branded correctly. Hence Skoda and Audi share a lot of components yet one is vastly more expensive. Could not the same be said about Shinko and name brand tyres?
Yeah we are mate, I was just extrapolating the idea. Just cause a SangYyong has a merc engine (which they made a big deal over) doesn't mean the cars any good. Same goes for Skoda and VW. Although I'd by a modern skoda over a Sang Yyong at the mo. When either start putting Honda, toyota or Nissan engines then they might be a good car.
And BTW your "big news" is good news 'cause I import (both of) them from the factory on behalf of the wholesaler and have done so for 10 years.
Sorry mate, no offence, but I never trust anybody with a vested interest in a product. Their either biased or misled. Peugeot dealers are the ultimate example of this.
Ha ha, no, you are. My opinion was that they are quite reasonable tyres. You took issue with that.
I am actually quite tollerant of people who don't know what they are talking about.
Nope, I'm certainly finding this more entertaining that annoying. and it's good to know that under that veneer your a tolerant kinda guy. I'll buy you a beer next time I'm in Auckers, as long as you're old enough to go into a pub.
Jimmy B
2nd March 2007, 11:00
Yeah we are mate, I was just extrapolating the idea. Just cause a SangYyong has a merc engine (which they made a big deal over) doesn't mean the cars any good. Same goes for Skoda and VW. Although I'd by a modern skoda over a Sang Yyong at the mo. When either start putting Honda, toyota or Nissan engines then they might be a good car.
Sorry mate, no offence, but I never trust anybody with a vested interest in a product. Their either biased or misled. Peugeot dealers are the ultimate example of this.
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Fairymuff Fatjim, good discussion - JB
The Stranger
2nd March 2007, 14:12
Nope, I'm certainly finding this more entertaining that annoying. and it's good to know that under that veneer your a tolerant kinda guy. I'll buy you a beer next time I'm in Auckers, as long as you're old enough to go into a pub.
Thank you, should just scrape in by then.
NordieBoy
3rd March 2007, 10:57
I liked my Shinko 009's on the Nordie.
Went through several sets.
Nice neutral handling.
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