Double Yellows

[Duc]

What is the actual law regarding double yellows?

Does it mean :
1. Do not pass under any circumstances.

2. Do not cross over them (but pass if a vehicle eases left allowing room within the lane)

[bobsmith]

Do not cross over at any time (so no 1)

If you have enough room on your side to safely pass the vehicle, you can.

[MSTRS]

Double yellows prohibit overtaking in either direction. And yes, you may pass without crossing the line if given room to do so.

[Swoop]

A bit of a contradiction there MSTRS!!!


Yellows = pass safely as long as you do not cross the yellow line AND you still remain under the posted speed limit.

[Squeak the Rat]

Can you cross the yellow lines when there is an obstruction on the road?

[MSTRS]

A bit of a contradiction there MSTRS!!!




Sorry....better?
Double yellows prohibit overtaking, by using the on-coming lane, in either direction. And yes, you may pass without crossing the line if given room to do so.

[Grub]

And it's not *Double* Yellows (traffic both ways), it's *Single* yellow (traffic your way).

I had it officially confirmed, single yellow = "do not cross this line". It doesn't mean "no passing"

Brett

[vifferman]

Sorry....better?
Double yellows prohibit overtaking, by using the on-coming lane, in either direction. And yes, you may pass without crossing the line if given room to do so.
...or if you feel like it. Like, if you're in a hurry, or can't be bothered waiting for the traffic to move.
But only if you're on a bike.

[Drum]

Correct. You may overtake, but may not cross the yellow line. If overtaking you must stay on your side of the road - don't cross the yellow line.

[vifferman]

But it's alright, as long as you shut your eyes while crossing it, right?

[Swoop]

But it's alright, as long as you shut your eyes while crossing it, right?

Crossing your fingers? Same with speeding???

[j_redley]

Some one mentioned it earlier.... double yellows is no crossing into the other lane from either side of the road. A single yellow line on your side means you can't cross, and on the other side means they can't cross.

[MSTRS]

And you can pass (by crossing the line) if the yellow is on 'their' side.
Every yellow begins life as a 'dotted' line, which means if you are already in a passing manouvre you must be back in your lane by the time the yellow is 'solid'

[Duc]

And it's not *Double* Yellows (traffic both ways), it's *Single* yellow (traffic your way).

I had it officially confirmed, single yellow = "do not cross this line". It doesn't mean "no passing"

Brett

"officially confirmed" where and by whom? ( and I hope you are correct)

[idleidolidyll]

"officially confirmed" where and by whom? ( and I hope you are correct)

like any road markings in NZ: if you can see for miles, there's no coppers about and the way is clear, ignore them and overtake anyway
:dodge::innocent::devil2:

[dawnrazor]

Double yellow lines? Don't they mean no parking at the road side

Double WHITE lines in the centre on the road means no overtaking in either direction, but then so what does a single solid WHITE line in the centre of the road mean? Same?

But Yellow lines are at the sides of roads, right? Am I missing something here?

[Drum]

That would be dashed yellows for no parking Mr. Razor.

White is the centerline. Normally dashed. Solid on the approach to an intersection.

[Squeak the Rat]

So, can you cross the centre yellow line if there is an obstruction in your lane? Damn ignore lists.....

[Drum]

Not sure about the legality of that STR. If the obstacle is a slowing car then definitely not. But if it were a landslide or something? Or you were avoiding a collision with a sheep? I think you would get away with it.

[Lou Girardin]

Double yellow lines? Don't they mean no parking at the road side

Double WHITE lines in the centre on the road means no overtaking in either direction, but then so what does a single solid WHITE line in the centre of the road mean? Same?

But Yellow lines are at the sides of roads, right? Am I missing something here?

You're in NZ now. Wakey wakey, you won't pass your test like this.

[Grub]

"officially confirmed" where and by whom? ( and I hope you are correct)

Superintentdent of Police, National Traffic Manager

[scumdog]

And you can pass (by crossing the line) if the yellow is on 'their' side.
Every yellow begins life as a 'dotted' line, which means if you are already in a passing manouvre you must be back in your lane by the time the yellow is 'solid'

And there are 5 dotted lines before the solid one to let ya know that it's coming up.

[Duc]

Superintentdent of Police, National Traffic Manager

Good enough for me. Thanx for clarifying it.

I cautiously passed a slow vehicle on Orewa hill in crawling traffic - the legal side of the yellows. I noted that they took my rego and was interested what the ramifications might be.

[Roj]

Double yellow lines? Don't they mean no parking at the road side

Double WHITE lines in the centre on the road means no overtaking in either direction, but then so what does a single solid WHITE line in the centre of the road mean? Same?

But Yellow lines are at the sides of roads, right? Am I missing something here?

wrong country methinks,

we have yellow lines on the outside indicating a no parking area,

the white lines are used to delineate the lanes and various turning bays etc plus any big arrows or road markings are put there to further make the road more dangerous for motorcyclists:dodge:

[avgas]

Crossing yellow lines is like unprotected sex with hookers.
Its risky - but it can be done and you can be unscathed.
You feeling lucky? Im not :)

[hsvboy06]

This was a classic...


Quote: "I never actually crossed the [yellow] line so you can't do me - I stayed on the other side of it until I got to the end of it":gob: :spudwhat: :weird:

[Grub]

Yes that was good wasn't it :)

So, I'm hoping that some of the Kapiti commuters can expalin to me why they pass the stopped-dead cars by crossing the yellows instead of just pootling along the left chevrons?

Sure, you're not supposed to pass on the left like that either but at 30kmh when the cars are stopped, it's unlikely anyone's going to give you a ticket! On the other hand, crossing the yellow *IS* going to earn you one ... if one of those trucks coming the other way doesn't do it first.

I see it *every* night and the worst offenders I have to say appears to be the cruisers ... you know, the ones with the widest bars and cruisepegs

Stupid bastards ... deserve to wear a 45 tonner in the mush. It'd be the truck driver I'd feel sorry for.

[kevie]

And it's not *Double* Yellows (traffic both ways), it's *Single* yellow (traffic your way).

I had it officially confirmed, single yellow = "do not cross this line". It doesn't mean "no passing"

Brett

Thats True.... if you Touch the yellows or cross them even with no oncomming traffic you can be ticketed ($150 fine) the police have been setting up cameras in the Manawatu gorge and ticketing vehicles that cut the corners and cross the yellows.
Heard a incident recently where a car passed a mufty on double yellows in the gorge(should nominate him for darwin award) the mufty then counted the motorist crossing the yellows a further 12 times .... bet that hurt the wallet, thats $1800 in fines even before the dangerous passing manouvere

Passing me on Yellows is the most common reason for my *555 calls

I *555 a CVIU guy in Taranaki recently, he had a checkpoint pulling trucks over, but where he was doing it ment that vehicles pasing the checkpoint had to cross the yellows to get past, told them HE NEEDS A TICKET !!
there was a weigh bridge 400 metres down the road, he should be pulling them in there!!

But the yellows mean you must not cross them for any reason, but you can still pass another vehicle if you can do so within your side of the road without crossing the yellows.

So if you come across a Yellow Foodstuffs Scaniatruck/trailor in Taranaki, Hawkes Bay or Manawatu...... think twice about passing me on yellows ...I WILL *555 you :)

[kevie]

Yes that was good wasn't it :)

So, I'm hoping that some of the Kapiti commuters can expalin to me why they pass the stopped-dead cars by crossing the yellows instead of just pootling along the left chevrons?

Sure, you're not supposed to pass on the left like that either but at 30kmh when the cars are stopped, it's unlikely anyone's going to give you a ticket! On the other hand, crossing the yellow *IS* going to earn you one ... if one of those trucks coming the other way doesn't do it first.

I see it *every* night and the worst offenders I have to say appears to be the cruisers ... you know, the ones with the widest bars and cruisepegs

Stupid bastards ... deserve to wear a 45 tonner in the mush. It'd be the truck driver I'd feel sorry for.


hehe yeh truck driving is getting interesting nowadays ,.... and lots more truckers are learning the rule we older drivers go by >>>>> NEVER swerve for an oncomming or passing vehicle... you either lose the rig on its side, jackknife and take out some innocent person(s) and chances are the offending person takes off and the driver/truck owner is lumbered with the excess on the insurance and face the finger pointing by CVIU as to why you ended up in that predicament and have no offender numberplate/details to prove it wasnt just your driving..... my excess on the rig I drive (which happens to be TOP TRUCK 2006) is $3000 and dam sure Id rather take out the offending vehicle than take out a loan to pay the excess. So when youre passing a rig at the end of passing lanes, dumb places etc be aware a lot more of us will rather push you out into the path of the oncomming traffic than risk touching the soft stuff on the side of the road.

Its better to arrive late than arrive dead

[Drum]

.......think twice about passing me on yellows ...I WILL *555 you :)


Yeah, but isn't that the same as a slap with a wet bus ticket?

[kevie]

hahahaha yeh but I think a wet bus ticket costs the person more

[BAD DAD]

I'm interested in the double yellow lines from the point of people parking in the lane with the lines just to the left of their car, in otherwords blocking the lane, while they attempt to make a right turn into a driveway. Personally I think it is stupidly dangerous but surely it is also illegal? Couldn't get that particular detail from our copy of the "roadcode" . Does anyone have actual knowledge on this?

[smoky]

???? well that seems clear enough
Don't cross the yellow in either direction unless your cross and carry a cross, then you might cross over but the cops might get cross, I hope that gets the message accross.:bye:

[peasea]

That's part of the problem with the NZ road rules; grey areas, vagaries and being subject to interpretation. Then, when you get to court some other clown has another set of grey areas, vagaries and interpretations. Use your noggin and take any tickets on the chin; if they catch you.

[What?]

Assuming everyone here has a license (yeah, yeah, never assume...)
We are all pretty quick to mouth (type??) off about stupid cagers doing dumb shit, yet it's pretty obvious that some people here are no better when it comes to knowing the rules.

Sorry Duc, but you asked a question that, assuming you have a license, you have no excuse for not knowing the answer to; the answer is in the road code, which you should have studied and learned in order to obtain your license. If you use a vehicle on the road, it is your duty to know the rules that apply. I am not being sanctimonious (or hypocritical) and saying you must obey all the rules, but you should know what they are, for your own safety and that of other road users.

And NO, it is not legal to cross a yellow line to enter a driveway. Or the rest area/lookout on the Kaimai summit (it is nothing less than a miracle that we have yet to have a fatal there).

[What?]

That's part of the problem with the NZ road rules; grey areas, ...

Nothing grey about yellow lines.

[peasea]

Yeah, that one is pretty simple, however, the goal posts do get moved from time to time. Having just put my eldest daughter behind the wheel and putting my nose into a current Road Code, I have to admit there are things in there that weren't in there when I sat my license, back in the day. It pays to brush up.

[Duc]

Assuming everyone here has a license (yeah, yeah, never assume...)
We are all pretty quick to mouth (type??) off about stupid cagers doing dumb shit, yet it's pretty obvious that some people here are no better when it comes to knowing the rules.

Sorry Duc, but you asked a question that, assuming you have a license, you have no excuse for not knowing the answer to; the answer is in the road code, which you should have studied and learned in order to obtain your license. If you use a vehicle on the road, it is your duty to know the rules that apply. I am not being sanctimonious (or hypocritical) and saying you must obey all the rules, but you should know what they are, for your own safety and that of other road users.

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The 'Road Code' is not actually the law (as in 'Legislation'). A judge and a cop does not pull out the Road Code when making a judgment on driving behaviour. They use the law as it is written. (Most of it not in The Road Code)

The road code does not define the finer points of the law and ignorance of the law is no excuse in court. Hence the original question which was prompted by circumstance. I thought I may have been #555'd when I passed a slow moving car on a hill and I did not cross the Yellow Line.

Read my original question again.

[What?]

What you were doing was quite legal. It used to be quite clear in the Road Code - maybe not so now??

Interestingly enough, the last comment I made turns out to be bollocks. A cop once gave me a warning for turning into a driveway across a yellow line, but reading the rule (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/rules/traffic-control-devices-2004.html#73) it is clear that the yellows must not be crossed only when passing another vehicle. Thus the cop was sensibly right, but technically incorrect (back in those days we didn't argue...)

[Smorg]

So if you come across a Yellow Foodstuffs Scaniatruck/trailor in Taranaki, Hawkes Bay or Manawatu...... think twice about passing me on yellows ...I WILL *555 you :)


Aww did you fail your police exam?

[rwh]

What you were doing was quite legal. It used to be quite clear in the Road Code - maybe not so now??

Interestingly enough, the last comment I made turns out to be bollocks. A cop once gave me a warning for turning into a driveway across a yellow line, but reading the rule (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/rules/traffic-control-devices-2004.html#73) it is clear that the yellows must not be crossed only when passing another vehicle. Thus the cop was sensibly right, but technically incorrect (back in those days we didn't argue...)

That rule appears to be purely about how to mark them out, not what to do when driving on the road.

Richard

[mdooher]

That rule appears to be purely about how to mark them out, not what to do when driving on the road.

Richard

he really ment this one...
Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
Part 2 Roads (r 2.1 to r 2.14)
Passing
2.9 Passing where roadway marked with no-passing line



(1)This clause applies if a driver is at or approaching a portion of a roadway where the road controlling authority has, in accordance with any enactment, marked a no-passing line applying to traffic moving in the direction in which the driver is moving.


(2)The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.

[Ixion]

Interestingly, I may apparently cross the yellow line when passing cyclists ! Unless they classify as animal drawn vehicles.

[Duc]

he really ment this one...
Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
Part 2 Roads (r 2.1 to r 2.14)
Passing
2.9 Passing where roadway marked with no-passing line




(2)The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.

Here is the answer I was looking for all the time with the relevant "legal". :done:

[mdooher]

I just had a thought (no it didn't hurt) This means you can cross the line on to the other side of the road to go around any obstruction that is not a motor vehicle or animal drawn thing... like rocks or even a cyclist anything...ok I know you would have to be a bit stupid

[Pancakes]

A cyclist is counted as a motor vehicle, just like a park (reserve if you like) beach and all kinds of places are "roads" when it comes to the fuzz and getting taxed. Hey Kevie, *555 on speed dial? You should just take photos and post them to the cop shop. They don't do jack about that stuff,

[Ixion]

No, a bicycle is a "vehicle" but not a "motor vehicle".

[peasea]

No, a bicycle is a "vehicle" but not a "motor vehicle".

As is a skateboard, I kid you not.

[peasea]

Interestingly, I may apparently cross the yellow line when passing cyclists ! Unless they classify as animal drawn vehicles.


Some of them appear to be. (And they wear mumble pants!)

[Ixion]

Land Transport Act 1998


Vehicle—
(a)Means a contrivance equipped with wheels, tracks, or revolving runners on which it moves or is moved; and
(b)Includes a hovercraft, a skateboard, in-line skates, and roller skates; but
(c)Does not include—
(i)A perambulator or pushchair:
(ii)A shopping or sporting trundler not propelled by mechanical power:
(iii)A wheelbarrow or hand-trolley:
(iv)Repealed.
(v)A pedestrian-controlled lawnmower:
(vi)A pedestrian-controlled agricultural machine not propelled by mechanical power:
(vii)An article of furniture:
(viii)[a] wheel-chair not propelled by mechanical power:
(ix)Any other contrivance specified by the rules not to be a vehicle for the purposes of this definition:



I am *so* glad that "an article of furniture" is not a vehicle.

[peasea]

But so many pianos have wheels.

[Lucy]

But so many pianos have wheels.


A piano is not a piece of furniture! Is your username a mis-spelling of peasant????? :yes:

[What?]

A piano is not a piece of furniture!

Most of the ones I know of effectively are...

So, who's going to be the first to drop a Jap thou into a tea trolley??

[Lucy]

Most of the ones I know of effectively are...

So, who's going to be the first to drop a Jap thou into a tea trolley??

eh eh ehhhhhh!

[kevie]

its so typical of NZ law tho isnt it .... so many variables and halftruths and grey areas.
Like the current antismacking bill .... they say it isnt to make smacking illegal.... its just to remove the clause that allows you to smack your child........... like DOH ........ isnt that the same thing.

Road rules are so much like that ... they have a law that says on the road you have to do something .... and a law that says you cant .... for example >>> the law says if youre holding up traffic flows (which is ticketable offence) you MUST pull to the left and allow them to pass.... BUT !!! the same law says the margins of the road are NOT A LANE and you must not drive in them (also tickitable) aaaahhhhhhhhh isnt our lawmaking gurus wonderfu (whatever theyre smoking i want some) lmao
Oh and isnt the law still sitting in the dusty lawbooks that says if you are travelling at more than 2 mph you must have someone walking ahead with a red flag?
In NZ they seem to "tack on " laws rather than take the old one away and make a new one.
No wonder so many people aspecially on teh roads dont have a clue what the hell theyre doing .

[kevie]

A cyclist is counted as a motor vehicle, just like a park (reserve if you like) beach and all kinds of places are "roads" when it comes to the fuzz and getting taxed. Hey Kevie, *555 on speed dial? You should just take photos and post them to the cop shop. They don't do jack about that stuff,

ooohhhh tell the motorist that got stung in Dannevirke that :p passed me on yellows forcing the oncomming car to go onto the margin of the road, then passed a full fuel tanker on yellows on a blind hill then passed an ambulance in the path of an oncomming truck..... he was stopped in ZDannevagus and car got impounded and he went up on 3 counts of dangerous and 1 of driving disqualified :)......... still wonder if he kept his GF tho when her car he was driving got into impound. But then , the cop said they have several *555 calls all at once regarding this motorist.

But I DONT report every bad driver action ... just the ones that are downright stupid and dangerous.

[mdooher]

Land Transport Act 1998

I am *so* glad that "an article of furniture" is not a vehicle.

The point is that you can pass over double yellows if the the thing you are passing is not a MOTOR vehicle( or drawn by an animal)... the definition of motor vehicle and vehicle are different.

Dumb thing to do I know but not insane in all circumstances

[peasea]

Most of the ones I know of effectively are...

That's where I was coming from; someone doesn't understand. Bless her little cotton socks.

[hsvboy06]

The point is that you can pass over double yellows if the the thing you are passing is not a MOTOR vehicle...
Go on then, give us a realistic example.... :)


The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.
If it's all about not passing, rather than not crossing the lines, does that mean I can cross them when I'm not passing?! (eg cutting a corner) p/t :shutup:

[Ixion]

If it's all about not passing, rather than not crossing the lines, does that mean I can cross them when I'm not passing?! (eg cutting a corner) p/t :shutup:

Yes, but then you get hit with other charges, since the only lawful excuse for being on the wrong side of the road is passing another vehicle (or a few special cases, like following the directions of an enforcement officer etc)

[hsvboy06]

Yes, but then you get hit with other charges
Not to mention being hit by other vehicles!

[mdooher]

Go on then, give us a realistic example.... :)


:

Ok Passing a bunch of bicycles ... Ok of course you would need to choose your place and time but there are places where there are yellow lines for reasons other than you can't see 100m without clear visibility etc... Actually bicycles that are more than 2 abrest are supposed to be ticketed, when is the last time you saw that happen