Lifestyle choice advice please [Archive]

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 16:28

Hey everyone.

First off alot of you know I just take the piss alot, wind people up every now and again, those of you who have met me know im not as big of a tosser as I appare to be.... FYI im not taking the piss in this thread.

I need some advice.

I am currently doing a dip civil engineering. My mate offerd me a job as a trapper. Should I stay studing (mild dislike/ no money/ loan) or should I go trapping? (more money = new welder and new bike. also more fun)

Also Currently Im still living at home, The job is about 200kms away, so I will be moving,

The pros and cons for me are
Cons
I will have to pay rent (90/week + expen)
Possability of not so much money after I get my qual (40-50k/year starting)
Delaying my studies AGAIN. (1 year min)
Pros
There are alot more awesome biker roads up that way.
I found a place that lets me have pets.
I get heaps of money right away(checking the details of this)
I might be able to grow a bussiness
I will do important work that will make a differance
I get to shoot stuff
I will be able to save up for uni and a bike
I might not want to come back.

Cheers

RM

jrandom

26th February 2007, 16:32

onearmedbandit

26th February 2007, 16:42

You can get into university with that level of spelling??

Blackbird

26th February 2007, 16:48

You can get into university with that level of spelling??

Yes, our eldest son has two degrees and his spelling is sh1t too. Yep RM, finish your diploma to prove you can stick at something and it might open other doors too. You might not be so much of a jerk at the end of it either:yes: .

Seriously, best of luck!

Donor

26th February 2007, 16:50

Should I stay studing

Go trapping - the thought of you breeding scares me! :sick:

doc

26th February 2007, 16:55

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 16:57

You have to ask us ? Finish your studies, then take a break, go trapping, then you can revert to being a numbnuts. Ferkinhell where do ya plug a welder in in the bush ? Typical Engineer

lol I don't live in the bush!

The other thing is, uni cost a shitload and is boring as hell. And The job aint going to stick around for a few years....

justsomeguy

26th February 2007, 16:58

First finish your Diploma, try and see if you can transfer to a degree if you can't get in immediately.

A degree or diploma is not much more use than securing a job interview (not a job). However, that interview could take you places being a trapper wont.

bell

26th February 2007, 17:00

You could check if there's a careers counsellor on site at your "institute of learning"? I'd suggest talking with them before you make any rash/hasty/ill-considered decisions.

doc

26th February 2007, 17:09

!

The other thing is, uni cost a shitload and is boring as hell. .

It's all about focus those who have the degrees/diplomas show that they have the concetration to stick it out. What will be the next excuse for leaving trapping. Everything gets boring, even Finn gets bored spending, back me up here Finn.

justsomeguy

26th February 2007, 17:13

The other thing is, uni cost a shitload and is boring as hell. And The job aint going to stick around for a few years....

If you're really this short-sighted take the trapper job.

Indiana_Jones

26th February 2007, 17:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW9Vgd_q6hA

-Indy

iwilde

26th February 2007, 18:57

Hey everyone.

Pros

I might be able to grow a bussiness

RM

Not another pot growing flunked out student! Try Iraq, plenty of trappings their.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 19:04

go trapping.

degrees are a waste of fuckin time.

paturoa

26th February 2007, 19:05

Do a degree not a dip, get registerred and earn some propper money.... then you can go out and buy whatever you like.

doc

26th February 2007, 19:08

go trapping.

degrees are a waste of fuckin time.
If you had a degree you would be proud as and riding a Honda I bet.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 19:12

Do a degree not a dip, get registerred and earn some propper money.... then you can go out and buy whatever you like.

what a crock of shit. may be that's how it worked when only a few studenty wankers did degrees but every tom, rangi and kok wee has a degree these days.

come out with shit loads of student debt (ooh interest free), work like a nigger on "graduate" wages for a few years and watch the cock smokers and sycophants "advance". all the while dealing with fucking morons with "degrees". in what? being a fucking retard.

go trapping, kill things. get the fuck out of the shit hole rat race.

and btw, proper and has one pee. your degree wasn't england literature was it?

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 19:15

If you had a degree you would be proud as and riding a Honda I bet.

i've got a degree and i will gladly sell it, along with all of my university transcripts, to any one who wants it. it's worth fuck all to me. we can sort out the name thing at a later date. remember, by the time you have to worry about that you'll be smart enough to find a solution. you've got a degree. a damned good one.

25 grand and its all yours. no studying and half the student debt at the end of it. instant.

doc

26th February 2007, 19:18

i've got a degree and i will gladly sell it, along with all of my university transcripts, to any one who wants it. it's worth fuck all to me. we can sort out the name thing at a later date. remember, by the time you have to worry about that you'll be smart enough to find a solution. you've got a degree. a damned good one.

25 grand and its all yours. no studying and half the student debt at the end of it. instant.What about the Honda thing then ?

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 19:23

What about the Honda thing then ?

do i sound like i studied "lesbian art history", "bitches menstrual studies", "advanced colouring with crayons BA(Hons)" or "ancient egyptian masturbation and felching techniques"?

only fags ride hondas

Finn

26th February 2007, 19:23

degrees are a waste of fuckin time.

I'm not sure if it's a complete waste of time Dover. You're the cleverest cunt I've met in a long time. You just look stupid.

doc

26th February 2007, 19:26

I'm not sure if it's a complete waste of time Dover. You're the cleverest cunt I've met in a long time. You just look stupid.
Would Dover on Honda get the respect he craves ?

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 19:26

I'm not sure if it's a complete waste of time Dover. You're the cleverest cunt I've met in a long time. You just look stupid.

that's not the edumacation though. that's the drugs.

mind you, you can probably thank my student days for that.

doc

26th February 2007, 19:32

Hitcher

26th February 2007, 19:38

felching techniques

Whoever it was who said there was a word for everything probably hadn't even wildly imagined such a practice. Or riding a Honda.

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 19:50

I understand alot of you don't know what your talking about so i'll forgive your ill advice.

getting a degree gets you a job, not job training or understanding of the subject you studdied.

And as far as the engineering field goes, a diploma is more than an acceptable qual, my dad only had his diploma and he now commands heaps bro.

You learn heaps when you get the job, uni just teaches basic principals and formulas (which a spreadsheet replaces the need for..... hehe)

I don't like to borrow money, and if I take this job for a year I will easily save up enough to pay for ALL of the 2 years I have left. The trapping job pay is around the same pay as what I get after I finish my dip.

Also, the place where I have my job is awesome as far as lifestyle goes, no city less people (read less honduuurrrs) and I already have a ton of mates up there. And the roads, pure kawasaki awesome.

It's all about focus those who have the degrees/diplomas show that they have the concetration to stick it out. What will be the next excuse for leaving trapping. Everything gets boring, even Finn gets bored spending, back me up here Finn.

This argument is very vaild, however it is void in my case.

I think that all work (no matter what) is boring and I'd rather be doing somthing else, like riding my bike. I do not bore easily, I am not bored at uni or at my current engineering bum job (been there 3 years already!). I am not saying every job IS boring, there are "fun" jobs out there, for example being rossi. If jobs were sussposed to be your source of entertainment, you would not get payed for them, the companys arnt there to make you happy, its the other way round. Im not saying you can't enjoy your job or have a passion for a job. Its a good thing to have both those things and I belive you get more work done in that enviroment. For me i'd rather be fishing or riding or working on my bike than any job (even if i was a fisherman or mechainic or even a trapper).

I know I don't make much sence, but i'll try again in the morning - been at uni for over 12 hrs today >_<!

Cheers

Rm

Finn

26th February 2007, 20:26

Everything gets boring, even Finn gets bored spending, back me up here Finn.

Hey money doesn't make the world go round, but it makes the ride a lot more fun.

I left school in the 5th form. If I had the opportunity to go to Uni I would have jumped at it. I heard the girls were easy.

paturoa

26th February 2007, 20:35

what a crock of shit. may be that's how it worked when only a few studenty wankers did degrees but every tom, rangi and kok wee has a degree these days.

Ah, you have several good points there grass hopper.

However, registered civil ginger beers charge faster than gixers, and earn more than it takes to run a killer SUV

A poor analogy, but then I didn't do an arts degree / ride a honda / MV

Toaster

26th February 2007, 20:39

go trapping.

degrees are a waste of fuckin time.

Shit yeah, I got a degree and now I'm just some numb-nuts banker. Go do something exciting dude.

Finn

26th February 2007, 20:40

The trapping job pay is around the same pay as what I get after I finish my dip.

You won't be saying that in 25 years. Look, a degree or diploma won't do you any harm and even if it's just a piece of paper, most of the people that will interview you have similar pieces of paper and like this shit. It's shows that you have the ability and commitment to learn.

If you went to school in NZ chances are you came out dummer than when you went in. At least our Universities are based on some backward world standard and heck, some countries even recognise NZ Uni degrees. You get one crack at this son, don't fuck it up for the sake of 2 years and the chance to ride a shiny new bike. Those times will come and they will be less stressful.

Get an education.

Finn

26th February 2007, 20:42

Shit yeah, I got a degree and now I'm just some numb-nuts banker. Go do something exciting dude.

I didn't know there was a drafting system in banking.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 20:43

You won't be saying that in 25 years. Look, a degree or diploma won't do you any harm and even if it's just a piece of paper, most of the people that will interview you have similar pieces of paper and like this shit. It's shows that you have the ability and commitment to learn.

If you went to school in NZ chances are you came out dummer than when you went in. At least our Universities are based on some backward world standard and heck, some countries even recognise NZ Uni degrees. You get one crack at this son, don't fuck it up for the sake of 2 years and the chance to ride a shiny new bike. Those times will come and they will be less stressful.

Get an education.

dont listen to him.

go trapping. trap a few rich gooks and hold their parents to ransom.

then buy my degree. it's from a proper university in the first world.

Finn

26th February 2007, 20:47

then buy my degree. it's from a proper university in the first world.

Nigeria's first world? Hey that's a funny name for an African country.

paturoa

26th February 2007, 20:49

dont listen to him.

go trapping. trap a few rich gooks and hold their parents to ransom.

then buy my degree. it's from a proper university in the first world.

Then hope his degree was law, when the rozzers show up.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 20:50

Then hope his degree was law, when the rozzers show up.

as long as he doesn't drive too fast to his secret hide out he'll be sweet. trust me.

paturoa

26th February 2007, 20:53

as long as he doesn't drive too fast to his secret hide out he'll be sweet. trust me.

that would be the secret trapping hideout - oh shit - just go trapping

Motu

26th February 2007, 21:00

scumdog

26th February 2007, 21:01

lol I don't live in the bush!

The other thing is, uni cost a shitload and is boring as hell. And The job aint going to stick around for a few years....

Take it from somebody who 'never quite got aound to getting a qualification' and ended up out of a job in his early 40's without any qualifications - the world looks pretty damn nasty right about then!!

Sure, I got through it but in hindsight (We all have 20-20 hindsight, regardless of qualifications!) I would have had a lot less stress and got a job quicker if I had a degree.

The trapping can wait.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 21:05

Most of the sucessful,and unsucessful people I know...used to be something else.But that something else gave them the spring board to do something they like and do better.I'm just a mechanic....but so was Mike Pero,however I still enjoy being a mechanic,I would hate to be a mortgage broker....even a sucessful one.I know a guy who has been trapping for over 35 years,he's one of the few who have made a lifetime career out of it.....but he is way off the sucess path of an engineer in a suit....however I doubt he has ever worn a suit,or would ever want to.

dont take advice from a pig or a grease monkey.

they're the bottom of the pile.

go trapping. asians are overrunning this country and the more of them you can catch the more money you can make.

what's the point in being a fuckin civil engineer in a country that invests fuck all in infrastructure. plus, earthworks and concrete will soon become about as appealing as waxing your testicles

thehollowmen

26th February 2007, 21:08

Yes, our eldest son has two degrees and his spelling is sh1t too. Yep RM, finish your diploma to prove you can stick at something and it might open other doors too. You might not be so much of a jerk at the end of it either:yes: .

Seriously, best of luck!

Dad?

:shit:

scumdog

26th February 2007, 21:09

Hey money doesn't make the world go round, but it makes the ride a lot more fun.

I left school in the 5th form. If I had the opportunity to go to Uni I would have jumped at it. I heard the girls were easy.

I didn't think you fags cared how easy girls were anyway??:dodge:

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 21:28

I think you guys are misunderstanding me, I will finish my diploma, just is it a bad idea to go work for a bit to pay my own way? Finish it later.

scumdog

26th February 2007, 21:34

Finish it later.

"Later" has a nasty habit of evolving into 'Nevr" as time and life goes by......

Look at it another way - by the time you get your diploma do you think you'll still be wanting to go trapping???.

Sorry if it sounds like old guys type advice - it IS old guys type advice.

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 21:37

yeah, but I prefer working out doors that suit and tie stuff..... i'll guess i'll stay in engineering and spend up large on books.

Guess I won't be riding very much.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 21:39

yeah, but I prefer working out doors that suit and tie stuff..... i'll guess i'll stay in engineering and spend up large on books.

Guess I won't be riding very much.

there is my point you fucking dick.

you're not even interested in it. it's shit.

don't waste your money or your life.

beyond

26th February 2007, 21:46

Errrmmm, waiting till later inevitably ends up never, BUT, once the govt brings in the natural sterilisation procedures, there won't be much left to trap so better get in while the critters are out there mate :)

Work and trap hard, save your pennies, finish trapping once Helen has eradicated everything that breathes and moves and taxed the rest out of existence and then do your degree with a bank account full of mulla and a brand new bike to tootle around on. :)

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 21:52

there is my point you fucking dick.

you're not even interested in it. it's shit.

don't waste your money or your life.

Yeah but I can be good at it.

mstriumph

26th February 2007, 21:52

yeah, but I prefer working out doors that suit and tie stuff..... i'll guess i'll stay in engineering and spend up large on books.

Guess I won't be riding very much.

oh for pity's sake

do what you are INTERESTED in

do what makes you HAPPY

................. life is uncertain - eat your pudding first!

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 21:54

Yeah but I can be good at it.

no you cant.

if you dont like it you will not put in any sort of sustained effort and will always be looking for a back door.

The Pastor

26th February 2007, 21:55

no you cant.

if you dont like it you will not put in any sort of sustained effort and will always be looking for a back door.

Not really, I do like it, I just like other stuff more.

BAD DAD

26th February 2007, 21:58

A fact of life for most people is that a working life without quals gets harder everytime you need to change jobs. If you aint got the gift of the gab your going to find it harder to find well paid work that offers some satisfaction. I got no quals to speak of and it's cost me a lot of opportunities ever since I left school in the late 80's, not to mention all the money that goes with some of those opps. Noone ever regretted getting a decent education.

The_Dover

26th February 2007, 22:01

Noone ever regretted getting a decent education.

you clearly missed or mis-read my posts then.

education is not just for school leavers.

Pixie

26th February 2007, 22:19

Go trapping.
In a few years you may progress to being toothless,sitting on the porch of your shack,playing a banjo :dodge:

Lucy

26th February 2007, 22:19

Gotta agree with Dover on this thread, when I left school (early 80s) university was free, so not everybody went. Now it's expensive and everybody goes. The only time I thought about going was when I realized how easy it was by the dumbf**ks I knew who were there and passing with Bs. I did a correspondence course from Massey, did my four assignments whilst drunk, did the exam without putting any footnotes or quotes (didnt know any) and passed.

The reason it's easier to get a job with a degree is cos all the dummies in charge of HR (or even worse - recruitment agencies) have degrees and think it means something. Then they spend all day forwarding joke emails. If I have to impress those people to get a job, I don't want that job.

Life is short and unpredictable. No-one was ever on their deathbed saying

" I wish I had worked more"

Putting off study for a year until you can afford it does not mean you will put it off forever, as some here are saying. I think it sounds mature to save up for something, instead of going into debt. Especially for an experience like trapping.

Go for it.

avgas

26th February 2007, 22:31

Its a dip man....get it finished - as all the money you spent so far will be a fucken waste.
Stop fucking round - it costs ya money.
That money could have been spent on a new bike.
If you wanted to go trapping so badly why are you doing civil in the first place? Likewise if you hate civil, why are you still doing it?

Finn

27th February 2007, 06:42

Take it from somebody who 'never quite got aound to getting a qualification' and ended up out of a job in his early 40's without any qualifications - the world looks pretty damn nasty right about then!!

So your advice to RM is that if all else fails in life, you can always become a cop? :love:

jrandom

27th February 2007, 06:53

You won't be saying that in 25 years... Get an education.

Yeah. What the dwarf said.

And most engineers don't wear suits.

Even if you don't end up doing the job the dip is supposed to qualify you for, passing with good grades shows people you have a few brain cells and can work hard, the key there being good grades. 'C's may get degrees, but if and when you're trying to get your first job you'd do better to have a bit of varied experience and be self-taught than to rock up with nothing but a mediocre pass level from some cookie-cutter course.

And yes, if you don't press ahead and finish the diploma now, you never will. In these cases, 'later' always turns into 'never'.

Bear in mind that if you have a chosen career path, the sooner you're in that industry the better. The time you spend trapping or anything else unrelated will inevitably just push back your good earning years by the same length.

Finn

27th February 2007, 06:56

if you dont like it you will not put in any sort of sustained effort and will always be looking for a back door.

Nothing like mixing a bit of business with pleasure.

Edbear

27th February 2007, 07:02

Finish your diploma first. You'll still be a numbnuts, but at least you'll be a qualified numbnuts.

If you go trapping now, one thing will lead to another and you'll end up with no qualifications whatsoever. That may or may not make a difference, but you're young enough that you might as well mitigate some risk and finish school.

Wot Fish said! I turned down an apprenticeship when I was 16 to go work in the bush and earn the big dollars! Got hurt, never got qualifications and now I'm a Tool Salesman... :bye: (I can spell, but...:sunny: ).

You have been warned...:yes:

scumdog

27th February 2007, 07:12

So your advice to RM is that if all else fails in life, you can always become a cop? :love:

Shee-it yeah! and then you can heaps of fun trolling to the max on KB and with all the moron bush-lawyers here it's like shooting fish in a barrel, you'll have a ball! - (unless you fucked up your young life earlier on or are too short and can't get into the Police).

Of course if you have a degree you get brownie points with the recruiting officer when you apply.....

Finn

27th February 2007, 07:53

(unless you fucked up your young life earlier on or are too short and can't get into the Police).

I was a role model teenager. As for the height thing, they gave that up years ago. Heck, they're even letting in recruits that fail basic training.

jrandom

27th February 2007, 12:14

Heck, they're even letting in recruits that fail basic training.

They get stuck on light duties of some flavour, however (which I understand means no 'customer contact') and paid $33kpa instead of the usual $50k until they do pass.

And there were only 4 graduates in that situation this year.

It's hardly the scandal that our eminent Fourth Estate would like it to be.

Guitana

27th February 2007, 12:47

Finish your qual you mug or all that money you have spent so far will be for nothing!!! You can go trapping anytime you like the possums will still be there next year unless they all get a nasty sexually transmitted disease and die!!!

ManDownUnder

27th February 2007, 12:52

Turn it on it's head...

Someone with the qualification and 5 years experience in industry should reasonably expect to earm...$??

Vs..

Someone trapping for 10 years is expected to earn ... $??

Now - let's talk bikes, fuel and fun - especially in respect of their costs...

The_Dover

27th February 2007, 14:14

Turn it on it's head...

Someone with the qualification and 5 years experience in industry should reasonably expect to earm...$??

Vs..

Someone trapping for 10 years is expected to earn ... $??

...

you know what, i'd be really fucking interested in the outcome of such an investigation.

ManDownUnder

27th February 2007, 14:25

you know what, i'd be really fucking interested in the outcome of such an investigation.

Is your boss so tight he squeaks when he walks??

Finn

27th February 2007, 14:37

:wait: :wait: :wait:

The_Dover

27th February 2007, 14:39

Is your boss so tight he squeaks when he walks??

I thought that was the Alpinestars boots?

ManDownUnder

27th February 2007, 14:43

I thought that was the Alpinestars boots?

Same altitude. but no - it's his arse.

Speaking of your boss - I owe him lunch at some point dammit...

vifferman

27th February 2007, 14:57

getting a degree gets you a job, not job training or understanding of the subject you studdied.
Not necessarily. It's not a job ticket, and nowadays, every Man, Jack and his dog has one (the dog probably has one in shitting and arse sniffing), so all employers do is rank the job applications, and throw out most of them. If you're not amongst the top few, you're still fucked. Yeah, you might have a dgree, but you'll be up against someone with Honours, or a Masters, or 3 or 4 degrees.

my dad only had his diploma and he now commands heaps bro.
Things have changed since your dad's day, bro.
#2 son left school at 16 with no quals (apart from a Linux certificate), and three years later he's a Systems Manager. But he's also amongst the smartest 1% of the population, and he's auto-didactic, and has been studying electronics, communication, computers and programming since he was 7 years old.
That's the exception rather than the rule.
I spent 5.5 years at university, and I earn less in real terms now than I did in 1987.
So?

You learn heaps when you get the job, uni just teaches basic principals and formulas (which a spreadsheet replaces the need for..... hehe)
True.

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I know I don't make much sence
No, you don't make much sense.
I understand your impatience, but don't leap into anything.
But... OTOH, you've only got one life, and you might die next week.

Do what the helll you like.

vifferman

27th February 2007, 15:01

I think you guys are misunderstanding me, I will finish my diploma, just is it a bad idea to go work for a bit to pay my own way? Finish it later.
No, it sounds like a good idea.
What some of us guys are saying is that it is not unlikely that after a year or so of trapping, you may not go back and finish your education.
If you have the perseverance to do so, then go for it.

Jimmy B

27th February 2007, 15:19

you know what, i'd be really fucking interested in the outcome of such an investigation.

Dover,

If I recall correctly it goes something like; on average a Bachelor degree increases lifetime earning capacity by about 30% (not bad for 3 years drinking and a bit of study), post graduate adds another 15% and Phd actually puts you back by about 5% from post grad level.

Hitcher

27th February 2007, 15:34

If I recall correctly it goes something like; on average a Bachelor degree increases lifetime earning capacity by about 30% (not bad for 3 years drinking and a bit of study), post graduate adds another 15% and Phd actually puts you back by about 5% from post grad level.

I'd like to see these figures validated, because I'm struggling with them.

In my experience in both the private and public sectors, a degree qualification may be mandatory for some technical roles (including accountancy and law) but optional for everything else, i.e. all other things being equal between two preferred candidates, one having a degree may tip the scales in their favour.

Once on the management treadmill, you are generally judged by your "performance" and whether or not you have (a) degree(s), post-grad qualifications or a carrot up your arse makes bugger all difference to how you are remunerated. Some lower level roles, particularly in technical areas, may have pay increments that are based on qualifications, but these usually reach a ceiling quite quickly.

The only place where PhDs are really valued is in academia. In the real world a PhD will generally condemn its holder to a boffin role that pays about $85,000 a year, tops.

Our society has become obsessed with "qualifications" rather than with the gaining of knowledge or skills that can be usefully applied.

The_Dover

27th February 2007, 15:49

Dover,

If I recall correctly it goes something like; on average a Bachelor degree increases lifetime earning capacity by about 30% (not bad for 3 years drinking and a bit of study), post graduate adds another 15% and Phd actually puts you back by about 5% from post grad level.

I think that equates to earn fuck all for 30 years and big bucks for ten if you have a degree whereas those without generally build a career a bit quicker, gather some assets based on being in the workforce longer with less debt and reach a middle ground fairly quickly.

and I agree with hitcher. I know countless fuckstains with degrees.

doc

27th February 2007, 15:55

The way we have gone with NZQA why don't you do a degree in possum trapping, surely you won't have to start again cos there must be some cross credits avail to you. Ask Dover he lives in the Bronx and knows where lots of vermin live, with the advice I've dished out on this site I could be a social worker and I never realised I could even be a careers advisor too. I'm f..ked if I know what to do with Skidmark yet. But we are all working on it. Maybe I've go talent in a Psychiatry. Scumdog suggest I'm got a leaning to law as well. But I will never hop on a Honda.

The_Dover

27th February 2007, 16:11

Mom

27th February 2007, 16:26

Our society has become obsessed with "qualifications" rather than with the gaining of knowledge or skills that can be usefully applied.

What he said! We are neglecting trade training in NZ. I shudder to think how much we will be paying in a few years for some services, because there simply will be more work than people to do it. Having said that 2 of my kids are undertaking a tertiary qualification at the moment. It is the "thing" to do these days.

doc

27th February 2007, 17:12

I don't think you'll ever make an England teacher with speiling and grandma like that.
bt cn i txt beta dan fin

Guitana

27th February 2007, 17:22

What he said! We are neglecting trade training in NZ. I shudder to think how much we will be paying in a few years for some services, because there simply will be more work than people to do it. Having said that 2 of my kids are undertaking a tertiary qualification at the moment. It is the "thing" to do these days.

Most tradesmen can't afford to live here anymore according to Cambell live last night so you think it's bad now wait a couple of years!!!!

The_Dover

27th February 2007, 17:26

bt cn i txt beta dan fin

you'd struggle to text with dwarf fingers too

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Don't Fuck With Finn

doc

27th February 2007, 17:33

you'd struggle to text with dwarf fingers too

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Don't Fuck With Finn
He's got his thumb on you bro

Finn

27th February 2007, 17:37

you'd struggle to text with dwarf fingers too

Don't Fuck With Finn

Fick tou xunt@

mstriumph

27th February 2007, 17:51

Not really, I do like it, I just like other stuff more.

No disrespect intended, but do you realise just how whiney, spoilt and adolescent this sounds?

You have choices [lucky you - many people don't] - you've asked for advice and been given it [quite politely most of the time, too]

no-one can complain we are an uncaring bunch but this now going around in circles [with macarbe diversions by dover and finn] and is becoming irritating ................

time to either piss or get off the pot.
:yes:

oh - and good luck with it, whatever you decide

Steam

27th February 2007, 18:10

Guitana

27th February 2007, 18:28

Read the first post in the thread, not all the others.
So maybe this has been said before, but not gonna read through four pages of whatever:

Take a while off, go trapping, it's a great outdoorsy lifestyle.
Make sure you can come back to your course though, after a year or whatever.
Life is about enjoying it, don't feel you need to stay at uni cos you are expected to by whoever.

Nah you'll just end up a raving alcoholic hermit shacked up in a hut in the middle of nowhere growing pot and scaring the odd tramper like a modern day CATWEASLE!!!! And if you dont know who cat weasle is you need to visit a library and look him up!!!

Guitana

27th February 2007, 18:46

I must admit when I saw this thread on LIFESTYLE CHOICE I thought you were coming out!!! Imagine my releif to discover you only wanted to give up a quality education to go trapping WHEW!!!!!!

The Pastor

27th February 2007, 18:50

I should I put this on, I already have the job, 3 years experiance in the civil/geo technical engineering field, so I can get a job as I actually know a little about things.

I've never ever had problems getting work at all - I seem to have a talent for getting a job, (got all my mates jobs as well).

Now on a slightly differant note, what do cad operators get when they start out? The type who can draw shit up from calcs, not just tracers.

Cheers

Rm

doc

27th February 2007, 19:05

I must admit when I saw this thread on LIFESTYLE CHOICE I thought you were coming out!!! You have bought Finn's Repsol haven't you.I've been told it's a rare example of something that Dover gets a woodie's over (But he hasn't come out yet) so to speak.

Brett

27th February 2007, 19:13

Get a semi full time jonb while you study, you will find that once you are used to the hours, it aint so bad. Work 30-35 hours a week and there is plety of time to do a diploma/degree, I did and it meant that I could have coin while studying and also gathering work experience. GET THE STUDY OUT OF THE WAY!

jrandom

27th February 2007, 19:23

Nah you'll just end up a raving alcoholic hermit shacked up in a hut in the middle of nowhere growing pot and scaring the odd tramper

You know, it's funny. I know a dude exactly like this, up north. He's not particularly 'raving', as such, more 'generally sluggish'. Occasionally 'spaced out'.

But he owns the land around his hut free and clear, and he seems quite happy with life. A lot happier than many I know who've spent two or three decades chasing their tails in modern society.

Just remember, you can't take it with you when you go...

SwanTiger

27th February 2007, 19:58

Fuck you are a whiney little bitch RM!

Get off your arse and live life, make mistakes and learn from them, take calculated risks and reap the rewards!

What is the point in completing your education if you have no idea what you're going to do with it or where it is going to take you?

Formulate a life strategy and figure out a tactical plan.

"By the time I am 35 years of age I want to own a small manufacturering/engineering company earning $120k + per year".

"To do this, I need to obtain an education in the relevant field, this will take 3 years, then I need to establish a good level of industry experience, this will take 5 years, during this time I need to save $10,000 per annum so that I have enough as starting capital to start my business and grow it, I also need to keep a clean credit record so that I can source financial support from banks".

Might be a bit more involved than that, but there you have it. Know what you want in life, figure out how to get it, talk to people, ask for advice, listen to other peoples experiences and sort your shit out.

If not, please, PLEASE, don't breed!

Steam

27th February 2007, 21:02

But he owns the land around his hut

I want a hut! I would trap possums and eat possum stew and grow masses of ...er, hemp, and cultivate a giant scary beard. Maybe a hut up a tree.

boomer

27th February 2007, 21:22

do i sound like i studied "lesbian art history", "bitches menstrual studies", "advanced colouring with crayons BA(Hons)" or "ancient egyptian masturbation and felching techniques"?

only fags ride hondas

i must have been asleep when i passed all of the above

Shee-it yeah! and then you can heaps of fun trolling to the max on KB and with all the moron bush-lawyers here it's like shooting fish in a barrel, you'll have a ball! - (unless you fucked up your young life earlier on or are too short and can't get into the Police).

Of course if you have a degree you get brownie points with the recruiting officer when you apply.....

I fucked up my life earlier on and what a blast it was too. Still unemployed with nodegree :whocares:

do what YOU want to do mate, just make sure you've thought it through and stick with it. Just don't ride a fukin Hondah ffs.

The Pastor

27th February 2007, 22:15

No disrespect intended, but do you realise just how whiney, spoilt and adolescent this sounds?

You misunderstand, Obviously you cant read.

What I was meaning was that, in order to be good at something you don't have to like it.

Are you implying that the best thing, in your life is your job? How I don't want to be you. There are a hell of alot of other things one can do that are endless amounts of fun points higher than work. What you are suggesting is that if you wernt getting payed for your work you would still do it just becuase it is your best source of entertainment, I don't work to be entertained, I work to support my lifestyle, i.e motorbikes and stuff I like to do when I'm not at work.

FYI mstriumph I know thats not what you ment, I was just using your words to illistrate my POV and break it down to your level.:love:

The_Dover

27th February 2007, 23:45

You misunderstand, Obviously you cant read.

What I was meaning was that, in order to be good at something you don't have to like it.

Are you implying that the best thing, in your life is your job? How I don't want to be you. There are a hell of alot of other things one can do that are endless amounts of fun points higher than work. What you are suggesting is that if you wernt getting payed for your work you would still do it just becuase it is your best source of entertainment, I don't work to be entertained, I work to support my lifestyle, i.e motorbikes and stuff I like to do when I'm not at work.

FYI mstriumph I know thats not what you ment, I was just using your words to illistrate my POV and break it down to your level.:love:

she's saying the opposite you fuckin dumb cunt.

what a fuckin retard. no wonder he needs to ask.

ravenfeeder

28th February 2007, 00:01

Hang in there, finish your degree and then go do what you want and you will always have your qualification to fall back on if you need it. Take advantage of the fact you can live at home, cheaply, qet support, food, bed etc from parents and study. Is a hell of a lot harder having to study full time and work full time as you need to bay bills as well (i have done that). The roads, the trapping and the other pros you mention are all still going to be there when you finish your qualifiication. I know sounds boring BUt hey that way you can then get the best of both worlds and have no regrets about never finishing Uni ;)

Jimmy B

28th February 2007, 07:58

I'd like to see these figures validated, because I'm struggling with them.

.

Hitcher, Sorry I cant validate them because they were verbally passed by a lecturer when I studied a few law papers at Victoria in the 80s, they would be out of date but from my experience seem intuitively sound given time and expense undertaken vs utility of earnings and experience for a non qualified person engaged in a like industry for the period.

There have been studies that I am sure could be googled up and I would be surprised if the figures departed hugely unless of course they focused on specific professional degrees, frinstance law in which case lifetime earning capacity for certain individuals could be many hundreds of percent above the norm. Of course you would need to strip out the marketing spin if the study was sponsored by a tertiary institution.

Interesting point raised by Dover as well and I think that could be common story, qaulified or not if the person was engaged long term with an employer where salary an career aspirations were met i.e. working you way up the ladder.

scumdog

28th February 2007, 09:29

I fucked up my life earlier on and what a blast it was too. Still unemployed with nodegree :whocares:

Good to see you've peaked in life - and so early too!!

boomer

28th February 2007, 11:19

Good to see you've peaked in life - and so early too!!

Peaked, i've only just begun on the upward curve. Don't paint everyone with the same brush me old.

mstriumph

28th February 2007, 12:20

No disrespect intended, but do you realise just how whiney, spoilt and adolescent this sounds?..........
............time to either piss or get off the pot.
:yes:

oh - and good luck with it, whatever you decide

You misunderstand, Obviously you cant read.

What I was meaning was that, in order to be good at something you don't have to like it.

Are you implying that the best thing, in your life is your job? How I don't want to be you. There are a hell of alot of other things one can do that are endless amounts of fun points higher than work. What you are suggesting is that if you wernt getting payed for your work you would still do it just becuase it is your best source of entertainment, I don't work to be entertained, I work to support my lifestyle, i.e motorbikes and stuff I like to do when I'm not at work.

FYI mstriumph I know thats not what you ment, I was just using your words to illistrate my POV and break it down to your level.:love:

no disrespect intended but you seem to have no idea of what i meant ................ may i add 'arrogant' to my previous list? :yawn:

Guitana

28th February 2007, 13:21

no disrespect intended but you seem to have no idea of what i meant ................ may i add 'arrogant' to my previous list? :yawn:

Yes MS TRIUMPH you may!!!!

Guitana

28th February 2007, 13:23

If you want to chuck in the degree to go trapping then do it!! you should be happy in your work who wants to earn good money for the rest of their life anyway!!! What happens when the fur trade dries up???

The Pastor

28th February 2007, 16:27

The Pastor

28th February 2007, 16:30

no disrespect intended but you seem to have no idea of what i meant ................ may i add 'arrogant' to my previous list? :yawn:

Well then you you enlighten me please.

doc

28th February 2007, 16:42

Working for doc, controlling pests.
You have successfully been in the spotlight for days now. From your answers which you always seem to argue in favour of going trapping cos you have all the reasons figured out. Just do it when you get sick of being wet, cold and miserable phone 0800 Newcops they are always looking for people who like trapping things. They do it in a more comfortable enviroment but they still smell the same.

Macktheknife

28th February 2007, 17:09

RM, I don't know you but I can read. It is clear from your posts that the trapping is what you want to do.
If this is correct and you cannot see why people might motivate you to continue to study then my advice is to go and do the trapping. Maybe it would be better for you.
My second piece of advice is, don't waste other people's time if your mind is already set on a course in the first place, and if it isn't set on this course of action, don't spend so much energy defending it.
Finally, whatever your decision is, have the guts to stand behind it and follow through on the commitment you must make to be successful at either choice.