White Ford Falcon ADD166 is NOT a mufti cop

[Ixion]

And the bint who drives it is NOT a police officer. She just says she is. So if you get aggro from someone answering that description , tell her to put it where the sun does not shine

Tootling along, in very heavy traffic, I nipped down an empty left hand lane that terminated and slipped into the right hand one, all good and happy.

Tootling along in right wheel space , and I see the white car that was behind me come up and undertake me, squeezing in between the kerb and me . That's OK, I don't actually mind cages doing that, we do the same to them.

But I did mind when I felt myself shoved to the right and observe that her car is actually shoving on Von Klunken's crash bars! So I swerve over to the right a bit , as far as I could without becoiming a hood ornament on oncoming traffic and melodiously tootle my tootler. To which she responds with a blast on the horn and keeps coming.

Luckily at this point the traffic halted cos of lights. So I banged on her window and when she wound it down I pointed out the error of her ways.

Whereupon she said "You just made a big mistake , because I am a police officer " - or some such, definately the police officer bit. Oops. Oh dear. However - whilst she looked like she could have been a plain clothes detective, the car certainly didn't look like a plod mobile. Had a towbar, no sign of a distinctive cap had helmet or badge, let alone a uniform.Didn't look or feel like a mufti and I doubted that a copper would have undertaken me. But it did have some sort of RT into which she started gabbling. .

So I said, through the window "um OK. Well, lets pull over , I'd just like a glance at your warrant card if I may". At which she kept driving steadily forward and wound her window up.

Anyway, by now fairly sure she wasn't the plod (and if she was I didn't care since she wasn't wanting to stop) I made some inquiries. She's not. She does work for a well known public service organisation (and should know better!). But not police or anything connected.

I was a bit pissed off at first , thinking "Yeah, right, impersonation of police officer, who do I dob you in to lady" But on reflection, I'm actually a bit taken with her cheek. I guess she got pissed off seeing a bike getting through the traffic when she was stuck in it. And then maybe got a bit nervous when the leather clad bikie started giving her the hard word. Quite good spur of the moment thinking I guess. So I'll let it rest I think, honours even I reckon

But if you encounter her - 'tis a wee fibble.

[j_redley]

What a cheeky bitch! Good on yah for not baking down

[KLOWN]

I'd dob her in, if it was a sports bike she would have crushed a leg or broken fairings plus impersonating a police officer is an offence plus she hit you then didn't stop and give her details.

[Ixion]

Nay, it was a gentle shove , not a hard hit. Nothing to justify stop and exchange. And I already gave her a little lecture on the error of her ways (and in fairness, in hindsight she prolly couldn't see the crash bars from within the cage, and didn't realise she was touching - though it rattled me a bit at the time.).I've clipped the odd mirror over the eyars, i wouldn't want to encourage cagers to start dobing us in for such things.

Besides, I sometimes do (other) things that are an offence! Those in glass houses etc, not wise to provoke the Gods.

And I'd have backed down REAL fast as soon as I sighted a warrant card!

[Mr Merde]

..

And I'd have backed down REAL fast as soon as I sighted a warrant card!

Why?

Are the police exempt from the laws of this country just because they enforce them?

Bad and dangerous driving only applies to us civilians?

[KLOWN]

If ANYONE gets this shit pulled on them you should reply,

NO, YOU'VE made a big mistake I KNOW your not a cop because I just got off duty now PULL OVER NOW your in SERIOUS trouble. Now that would be funny as.

[James Deuce]

Bad and dangerous driving only applies to us civilians?

Yep. Relax and accept it.

[Mr Merde]

Yep. Relax and accept it.

Oh I have. just after confirmation for which I thank you:msn-wink::rolleyes:

[Finn]

A good punch in the face would have verified if she was a cop or not. Anyway, I think I know her, she was a bit fat right?

What's really surprising about this is that you have crash bars on a bike?

[N4CR]

where the **** was this let me know please i wanna find them and be a cvnt

[Finn]

Good on yah for not baking down

Ixion has to get really angry before he roasts a bird.

[Mr Merde]

Ixion has to get really angry before he roasts a bird.

never tried roasting duck withthe down still there. Might keep the moisture in.

[Swoop]

Perhaps the plate letters give a clue away... A.D.D.
Seeking a bit of attention perhaps?

[crashe]

What a cheeky shit..........!


White Ford Falcon ADD166 will be watching out for this car...

[imdying]

I was a bit pissed off at first , thinking "Yeah, right, impersonation of police officer, who do I dob you in to lady" But on reflection, I'm actually a bit taken with her cheek. I guess she got pissed off seeing a bike getting through the traffic when she was stuck in it. And then maybe got a bit nervous when the leather clad bikie started giving her the hard word. Quite good spur of the moment thinking I guess. So I'll let it rest I think, honours even I reckon

But if you encounter her - 'tis a wee fibble.
Fuck that, she actually hit your bike... no problem for someone experienced like yousrself, not so good for our noobs :angry:

[pzkpfw]

...I see the white car that was behind me come up and undertake me, squeezing in between the kerb and me...I felt myself shoved to the right and observe that her car is actually shoving on Von Klunken's crash bars

That woman with ADD needs to be taken off the road. Full respect for the way you handled that, but I can't believe you are so relaxed about it.

Who will she do that to next?

[ManDownUnder]

She might be a cop off duty - in her personal vehicle... it could all be true... but I'd report it all the same. Impersonating a cop's not something the blue uniformed ones taken lightly from what I understand...

it's very naughty

Where'd it happen Ixion?

[The Joka]

Where in Auckland did this happen?

Probably one of us bloody Westies! :dodge:

[Ixion]

Was in Old Papatoetoe. And not a personal vehicle, it's registered to a certian national service organsiation. Which explained the radio telephone thing. That was the only thing that I was uneasy about.

It's not uncommon for people to crack on that they're cops - usually one look at them and you know it's bullshit (of course , there was this time that a couple of guys who looked like the local alkies, in torn old jeans and wifebeaters, driving round in a beat up old bomb, claimed they were cops - I told them to piss off, and reported them. Cop shop binty asked for descriptions and says - "oh, I recognise them they are detectives". Pull the other one, I've seen detectives on TV, these losers are nothing like Inspector Morse. They were cops , but, I found in the finish. Still reckon they were a disgrace to the force - and told them so) .

But such imposters don't usually have RT gear in their cars. So that worried me a bit. But when I found who the vehicle was registered to it made sense.

I got a feeling though that she'd used the line before- it came over too pat for a spur of the moment thing.

[Brett]

Ixion has to get really angry before he roasts a bird.

Roasting bacon is a different story though, I am sure.

[GSXRjohn]

I would of hoped off my bike and requested police ID

if produced split real quit:gob:

[ceebie13]

Simple trick if you can do it quickly and efficiently...grab offending cage ignition keys through open window and throw 'em as far as you can....then ride off.:Punk:

[scumdog]

Simple trick if you can do it quickly and efficiently...grab offending cage ignition keys through open window and throw 'em as far as you can....then ride off.:Punk:

And pray they aren't a tad quicker than you and drive off with your arm.....

[Ixion]

Simple trick if you can do it quickly and efficiently...grab offending cage ignition keys through open window and throw 'em as far as you can....then ride off.:Punk:

Might be a little unwise if it WAS a cop, though? Given that riding off would give them a good view of your rego plate.

[Finn]

This has got me thinking. Which other sponging government agency uses RT? Civil Defense? Secret Squirrel?

[Motu]

Back in the days when a uniform was a pair of nice trou and a short sleeve white shirt...the peaked cap was what said ''COP!'' They had to wear it when being an official cop.But other services also had flash pants and shirt with a peak cap - I've had firemen strutting around with their hat on bossing people about for ''traffic offences''.....and had the shits put up me by a train driver when he got out of his car and put his cap on in the familiar way.

[Toaster]

Mate, I would make a complaint to police (PCA) that sort oif shit is just not on and she deserves to be set on fire for telling fibs..... I have matches....

[sunhuntin]

Fuck that, she actually hit your bike... no problem for someone experienced like yousrself, not so good for our noobs :angry:

agreed...to anyone without crashbars [must get me some....] it could be the difference between walking normal or walking with a limp. if she connected hard enough that you noticed, chances are, she noticed as well.
a new biker who hasnt had that before [myself included] could get one hell of a fright and cause a major accident. i dont like my chances of staying upright if a cager connected with the bike, bars or not.
iave been underpassed before, and it damn near scared me off the other side of the bike.

report her....or get someone else to. next person she tries that on might not come off so relaxed.

edit....and you say you didnt mind her underpassing because you do it all the time. not everyone does do that. only time i underpass is when a vehicle is indicating right, or traffic is at a standstill, and im turning left.

[James Deuce]

if she connected hard enough that you noticed, chances are, she noticed as well.


Have to disagree there. I've been hit plenty of times in commuter traffic without being knocked off and the driver just didn't know I was there.

[Max Preload]

Why?

Are the police exempt from the laws of this country just because they enforce them?

Bad and dangerous driving only applies to us civilians?

No. But they're the ones who can issue tickets based on events that never happened causing you financial grief - it's your word against theirs.

[Patrick]

No. But they're the ones who can issue tickets based on events that never happened causing you financial grief - it's your word against theirs.

I think this should be in the cannabis thread....

Tickets get issued if...
1. The cop sees it
2. Someone complains and the offender coughs
3. Someone complains, ofender doesn't cough and it goes to court... the court decides.

There is no such thing as "based on events that never happened..."

[Colapop]

My understanding is that if an officer pulls you over or talks to you about any aspect of the law (ie. a reprimand or identifies themself as an officer) they must produce ID to verify that - even when they're off duty. To my knowledge (which is probably flawed) you are allowed to ask for ID (and it must be produced) before you answer any questions. Can any of our in-house officers confirm this?

[SixPackBack]

I think this should be in the cannabis thread....

Tickets get issued if...
1. The cop sees it
2. Someone complains and the offender coughs
3. Someone complains, ofender doesn't cough and it goes to court... the court decides.

There is no such thing as "based on events that never happened..."


BAHAHAHA

Strange the commission had plenty to say about dodgy police behavior.

[_Gina_]

.....
if she connected hard enough that you noticed, chances are, she noticed as well.

Maybe she did notice ?

Perhaps she thought you might need to use her first aid kit ?

[Beemer]

What a cheeky bitch! Good on yah for not baking down

She was probably just trying to earn a decent crust!

[scumdog]

To my knowledge (which is probably flawed) you are allowed to ask for ID (and it must be produced) before you answer any questions. Can any of our in-house officers confirm this?


"If not in uniform must produce I.D."

[roogazza]

Apart from just saying I'm a cop , she's lucky she didn't go any further !
Sounds like it worked though ?
Another wanna be ? There's a few around and some work as civvies within the police, I've seen that before. Gaz.

[Max Preload]

I think this should be in the cannabis thread....

What's cannabis got to do with anything - I've never smoked anything in my life except the odd tyre.


Tickets get issued if...
1. The cop sees it
2. Someone complains and the offender coughs
3. Someone complains, ofender doesn't cough and it goes to court... the court decides.

There is no such thing as "based on events that never happened..."

Try telling that company line to the guy who had to go to the high court to fight a speeding ticket he got (the JP's at the District Court didn't understand the evidence, so upheld the cops version - what a great system) when the GPS he had in the car verifed his speed as legal.

Don't even try and tell me the pricks don't make shit up out of frustration - the only question is how often. Until such time as a speed reading includes a GPS position and timestamp to verfiy when and where it was taken it's simply a case of cops doing what they need to do to fill their 'perfomance' quotas. The only place they have any credibility is in the eyes of the law.

[Colapop]

Wannabe cops are retards. They usually end up creating more problems than they solve. I'm not talking about stopping a burgler or breaking up a fight but dickwads who think they're doing a public service. They don't have the training and have no idea what the law says - only their perception of what the law should be (in their eyes).

[Phurrball]

While I understnd and agree with where you're coming from re 'People in glass houses...' Ixion, impersonating a Police officer is a step or 2 up the criminal law food chain from trafic matters.

Courts and Police should, and (I hope) do take usurping or flouting their authroity very seriously.

If Ms ADD works for a 'Public service organisation', she should know even better than the rest of us plebs that impersonating a Police officer (and representing that you have the powers thereof) is a very bad idea.

I must to respectfully disagree with your decision not to report this woman (Unless you know something regarding her employer that you're not letting on...)

If she did it in the heat of the moment, she needs to explain that to someone in authority - and beg for their mercy (Whilst eating humble pie and learning a lesson she won't fast forget)

[scumdog]

They don't have the training and have no idea what the law says - only their perception of what the law should be (in their eyes).

THAT sums up a lot of KBers judging by their posts......:whistle:

[scumdog]

What's cannabis got to do with anything - I've never smoked anything in my life except the odd tyre.



Try telling that company line to the guy who had to go to the high court to fight a speeding ticket he got (the JP's at the District Court didn't understand the evidence, so upheld the cops version - what a great system) when the GPS he had in the car verifed his speed as legal.

Not (yet) a legally accepted way of measuring speed, can't say if it was/was not accurate .

And the famous line "YOU were there and know all the facts"??????

I wasn't, hence I'm not making a call one way or the other

[Max Preload]

Not (yet) a legally accepted way of measuring speed, can't say if it was/was not accurate .

And the famous line "YOU were there and know all the facts"??????

I wasn't, hence I'm not making a call one way or the other

I know this; GPS is accurate and it's not falsifiable - so what's not to be believed? The same cannot be said for some arsewipe cop with a quota to fill.

[Swoop]

(the JP's at the District Court didn't understand the evidence, so upheld the cops version - what a great system)
JP's are there as a symbolic gesture only. The chances of a charge/case being thrown out at a pre-depositions or depositions hearing, are next to zero.

[Swoop]

They do pre deps and deps for traffic charges??

Didnt know it was indictable! lol
Where (do I) <strike>does it</strike> say traffic? EDIT: in my original post #46.
Are you making stuff up again? Anyway, why are you not in the donut shop, or is it closed for easter?

[scumdog]

I know this; GPS is accurate and it's not falsifiable - so what's not to be believed? The same cannot be said for some arsewipe cop with a quota to fill.

Not being smart BUT if you go down one side of a big dip and then up the other side does the GPS record your actual speed - or the speed between two points which when measured from above may actually be a shorter distance due to vertical variation???

And quotas aren't THAT hard to fill - there's enough bad/ignorant/unalert drivers on our road.

The cop may have believed his radar - just like the 'innocent' motorist might believe his GPS.

[Max Preload]

Not being smart BUT if you go down one side of a big dip and then up the other side does the GPS record your actual speed - or the speed between two points which when measured from above may actually be a shorter distance due to vertical variation???

And quotas aren't THAT hard to fill - there's enough bad/ignorant/unalert drivers on our road.

The cop may have believed his radar - just like the 'innocent' motorist might believe his GPS.

GPS records the velocity, which unlike plain speed has a vector (direction) component. That is it knows the speed AND direction. It's the distance travelled in the time taken between 2 points in 3D space. It is the true speed over the surface on which it is traveling. I'm not sure if the smarts built into the Stalker DSR as most commonly used accounts for direction when taking a speed reading but I doubt it. As such a reading taken of a vehicle travelling at any angle other than directly towards a radar unit, would be lower than actual speed. This includes vertical as well as lateral variation of the target vehicle.

[Ixion]

Tracking GPS works out speed every second or so (may quicker). It's a "speed at the moment" , pretty much the same deal as radar (totally different way of doing it of course). It's not an "average speed from A to B", which would be fooled by dips (and bends - ride round in a circle and the GPS thinks you've covered zero distance).

But it's not accurate enough (in non military form) to be considered as legally definative, though could be useful corroboration. And not certified either of course.

[Max Preload]

JP's are there as a symbolic gesture only. The chances of a charge/case being thrown out at a pre-depositions or depositions hearing, are next to zero.

It was a defended hearing.

[Max Preload]

But it's not accurate enough (in non military form) to be considered as legally definative, though could be useful corroboration. And not certified either of course.

The GPS receiver unit itself is the calculating part, but it does the calculation based on information from the satelites which does not differ as they are passive.

Prior to 2001 there was built in positional error that only the military had correction data for, but that has been removed. Now they're accurate to within about 4m depending on how many satelites are overhead sending information. There are also land based correction beacons (not in NZ) which can further tighten the accuracy. You must be aware however that the 4m does not jump from one extreme to the next - it's a steady error and it's displayed on the unit.

As for GPS not being recognised in law for accuracy, that may be the case - I'm no lawyer, however this guy I mentioned won at the High Court.

In any case, the pessimist in me says that the powers-that-be wouldn't want it recognised, as it doesn't suit their agenda.

[scumdog]

In any case, the pessimist in me says that the powers-that-be wouldn't want it recognised, as it doesn't suit their agenda.

What agenda would that be?

The one about people trying to watch their hand-held GPS while driving (and maybe using their cell-phone at the same time) to make sure they are not speeding?

Or the revenue one where they might get more speeding ticket money if they don't let them use GPS units?

I don't think so, the 'agenda' is all in your mind.

[Max Preload]

What agenda would that be?

The one about people trying to watch their hand-held GPS while driving (and maybe using their cell-phone at the same time) to make sure they are not speeding?

Or the revenue one where they might get more speeding ticket money if they don't let them use GPS units?

I don't think so, the 'agenda' is all in your mind.

Of course there's the blatant revenue collection component. You don't have to watch the GPS - it records the track data. As if people staring at their speedometer now isn't dangerous when they should be watching the road and mirrors!

It's about time they started cracking down on bad driving not just going for the easy target of speeding. The campaign a few months back where they blitzed multi lane intersections and ticketed drivers who turned right into the left lane and left into the right lane, now that's a step in the right direction. Shame it's only done at irregular times - bit of a show pony.

[Swoop]

By the way JP's only do traffic Defended Hearings...

Your baseless accusation that im making something up?? and then rambling on about the "donut shop" makes you look like your having a sulk! lol :woohoo: :buggerd:
My post has been clarified, just for you.

It appears that AT's case was a defended hearing. However JP's still remain a "judge with training wheels still attached" and do not make decisions in a grown up sense.

As for the donut shop. This IS where ALL cops spend their time, isn't it... :scratch:

[scumdog]

As for the donut shop. This IS where ALL cops spend their time, isn't it... :scratch:

We call it the 'donut shop' but that's just to make the office more bearable..'cos that's where I seem to spend most of my time (When not harrassing poor 'innocent' crims and motorists.)

[Jantar]

Not being smart BUT if you go down one side of a big dip and then up the other side does the GPS record your actual speed - or the speed between two points which when measured from above may actually be a shorter distance due to vertical variation???
This question of speed measurement accuracy depends on the GPS unit as well. My old GPS incated spot speed measurement taken each second. Its horizontal accuracy is very good, but vertical accuracy is not so good, so in one respect you would be quite correct to question its speed reading when there are changes in vertical speed as well as horizontal. My latest GPS is much more accurate in both horizontal and vertical planes and is settable for frquency of measurement. I have set it to record at all changes of direction, and at all changes of speed over 1 m/s (about 4 kmh).

Next time you call in here I'll show you what a typical track looks like.

[Manxman]

Why?

Are the police exempt from the laws of this country just because they enforce them?

Bad and dangerous driving only applies to us civilians?

here here. Works both ways.

[scumdog]

here here. Works both ways.

So cops can speed, wheelie etc as long as they don't get caught - and then whinge about it if they do get caught??

[Manxman]

So cops can speed, wheelie etc as long as they don't get caught - and then whinge about it if they do get caught??

Yeahhhh, er I mean Nahhhh.

I was agreeing to Mr Merde's sacrcastic comment re:cops being above the law - not. Or did I pick up his comment incorrectly???

[imdying]

The accuracy of the GPS unit (for vertical deviations) is for the most part definied by the number of satellites (or lack of) that it can see.

They don't cripple the GPS system for non military purposes, haven't done for a while now.

The lack of GPS tracking for speeding offences isn't because the police don't want it, it's because the public don't want it. Your conspiracy theory is backwards. You're essentially talking about a black box recorder in every vehicle, not much chance of people putting up with that.

[Dafe]

I had a dude on the motorway tailgating me once. I slammed my brakes on and dropped a good 40-50kph in my trusty old TC2500 Triumph. He then proceded to overtake me and when he was beside me, flashed me his Police badge in his wallet. Now that farked me off huge time!!!

I wound down my window and was calling him a F'n this and F'n that. I was waving at him furiously to pull over to the side of the road. The tosser sped up well over the speed limit and took off.

and I was just wanting a fight! Never mind, Am playing a footy team full of cops this weekend. Will dish out some smashes just for him!