Aresholes con a jury, part two

[MisterD]

if he wasnt man enough to admit his own actions then he is not trust worthy enough to run a police force.

Eh? He was 22 at the time, and I certainly wouldn't want a 22yr old running the police force, there's a lot of good coppering experience gained in the intervening years....there are a number of sensible reasons to argue that he shouldn't be district commander anymore, but that isn't one of them.

[Guitana]

Just a quick FYI, only one of the three red reps you have received was from her, so obviously others dont agree with you too....

So, lets play nice here people.

:Playnice:

So because they think my comments are wrong I'm not aloud to have my say!!So they red rep me and abuse me sounds like a democracy!!
At least if you're going to abuse someone do it so other members can see it!!
I'm entitled to my opinion!!

Harden up!!!

[Grahameeboy]

That's because Helen bribed the statisticians.

No squeaky, she has no influence overseas........it was INDEPENDANT....:angry:

[Grahameeboy]

So because they think my comments are wrong I'm not aloud to have my say!!So they red rep me and abuse me sounds like a democracy!!
At least if you're going to abuse someone do it so other members can see it!!
I'm entitled to my opinion!!

Harden up!!!

I agree with you matey in this case......but remember some of the old geezers here have trubs hardening up....take pity...

[candor]

What these people either can't or won't face up to is that the majority of todays serving cops were either small children or weren't even born in 1983, when these alleged incidents occurred.


Good point. That police poster is just DUMB and not funny at all. If anyone should be picked on its the legal occupation as they actually intentionally work for scum and sit on parole boards ruining society.

So if CR was the baby of the gang at a tender 22 whose prospect was he?

Of course if I was a rapist I'd be all for the present system - it could not be better for a rapist. You can be like the ninja and never get seen.

But just because it benefits rapists or accused rapists does not makre it a good fair system.

The woman's (typically) predicament is the same as the philanthropists if every time they got robbed while on the street the robber could say "but he gave it to me, everyone knows he has a history of giving money to charity - he must just be muddled up".

Can't anyone see the dilemna here. Every woman who is capable of sex can be accused of charity (so to speak). And the moment the accusation is made there will always be reasonable doubt raised. Case closed - jury go home.

Situation NOT SATIS. JUSTICE WAY WAAAAAY BEYOND REACH.... NOT JUST FOR THE VICTIM BUT FOR THE FUTURE VICTIMS THE WRONG VERDICTS SET UP TO OCCUR WHEN MR VERY BAD MAN REMAINS ON THE LOOSE.

Why spend days hearing evidence when that defense is sure fire in most cases. How the hell can someone prove non consent - impossible!

Even women who got beaten the juries can often enough rationalise that to "she likes rough sex" if the defense lawyer does a good enough number. That couldn't happen in a robbery - "they like it that way".

Its just obviously lunacy all round and no solution seems in the offing. Unless hmmmm.... unless we microchip the more agressive gender with an "eye spy"so we can watch them at all times. Upside for men - no false accusations!!

I have met 2 confessed female abusers maybe 3 (not sure on the third). Just like male rapists they don't have monster stamped on their heads.

One was imprisoned for little child molestation after confessing. The other was a tough gang girl who with some mates alleged she did very nasty acts on a rapist within the gang 15 years ago as they'd just had enough of him. It was not a nice fantasy. I would say he might have thought twice about "how it feels" now but dunno.

OK you guys can easily imagine being in a false accuseds shoes. Now try imagining being the victim trying to convince people you'd not have had sex with an opposite sex member. The only hpe is to cry gay really.

[spudchucka]

Which I guess sell more papers (and supplies loo paper for the above).

Just like how throughout the whole affair it has been referred to in the media as the "Police Rape Trial", not the Rickards, Shipton, Schollum trial

[Damon]

FYI I was NOT there! The case IS over and I, nor Louise and her family and friends(or the other women they preyed upon) will EVER get over it because it is a HUGE INJUSTICE!


I may have missed something here, and i'm not trolling but how are you connected to all this? your a bit too passionate to be an average joe with a bee in her bonnet?

[Goblin]

I may have missed something here, and i'm not trolling but how are you connected to all this? your a bit too passionate to be an average joe with a bee in her bonnet?
You havn't missed anything. It is about the injustice of it all. There is no justice. The lawyers get richer, rickards will get the golden handshake(at the taxpayers expence) and the real victims will keep fighting, in vain, for justice. Meanwhile David Bain sits in prison....but thats another thread.:angry:

[spudchucka]

Meanwhile David Bain sits in prison....but thats another thread.:angry:

Are you connected to that one too or have you just read the book and watched the informative documentaries?

[Scouse]

I think David Bain is guilty and Joe Karam has wasted a lot of his own personal fortune on this

[doc]

Are you connected to that one too or have you just read the book and watched the informative documentaries?
Unfortunately we only remember the bad press you get. Like that one on TV were some dude was being pepper sprayed while lying face down handcuffed. There has to be more to the eye that what the TV edited but, that gets lost as they move on to something more controversial. You need to sort out your public relations team. Your image is getting tarnised by the press. It's not about accuracy it's about selling stories.

[denill]

Unfortunately we only remember the bad press you get. Like that one on TV were some dude was being pepper sprayed while lying face down handcuffed. There has to be more to the eye that what the TV edited but, that gets lost as they move on to something more controversial. You need to sort out your public relations team. Your image is getting tarnised by the press. It's not about accuracy it's about selling stories.


And it's always goin to be like that. As long as some of your colleagues are going to misbehave. And they will.

They (cops) are just another segment of society.

Cops who are intent on presenting Rickards in a more santised version than he presents himself are pushing it uphill. Cops need to cut him loose (at our bloody expense) and move on.

[ManDownUnder]

... and move on.


Now there's a sentiment I agree with.

I'm not saying ignore this - I'm saying don't start WWIII.

[Guitana]

Now there's a sentiment I agree with.

I'm not saying ignore this - I'm saying don't start WWIII.

War is good for the economy just ask George Bush!!!

[Scouse]

Interesting Artical in todays Herald with two lawyers from different partnerships were doing this sort of one lawyer with a case for rickards to keep his job, and the other lawyer presented why rickards should lose his job, the most interesting part was the only real thing that the lawyer doing the case for rickards could put up was that in the early part of his Police career he was an under cover Cop inside the mongrel mob or black power and that his defence could be that in order to mantain his cover he was encouraged to partake in the sort of thing that gangs get up to, ie groupe sex so he became desensitised to the fact that this is not the sort of conduct becoming of a police officer.

[candor]

Are you saying he had to rape, inhale, keep his mouth shut about heinous crimes and do all the other sorts of things that may be required to earn a patch or mix with members?. All in the line of duty.

I don't know that "desensitised" is the word - its not like he was ever a very sensitive lad. Criminologists often claim that participating in all sorts of antisocial acts results in a line crossing to a place where those acts are enjoyed (given the right psychological make up is there in the first place).

This sounds more like a line to pitch to the type that think watching too much of the Simpsons makes for future serial killers.

[Scouse]

No not agreeing with this in any way Candor just relaying what was in the herald and it was put forward as consensual group sex not pack rape anyway the lawyer that put forward the reasons that he should not get his job back had much more convincing reasons anyway Candor my view of the world is that rickards should be fried

[imdying]

Wow... this still going on? She's a dirty skank who got what she deserved... that's becoming more and more apparent all the time. Hope she has learnt her lesson... just how did she intend to prove her made up crap 20 years later??

[Patrick]

Meanwhile David Bain sits in prison....but thats another thread.:angry:

SHIT... dont go there!!! Guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because Joe KARAM says he isn't guilty, doesn't mean he is not guilty... but yes, I guess that is another thread...

[spudchucka]

SHIT... dont go there!!! Guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because Joe KARAM says he isn't guilty, doesn't mean he is not guilty... but yes, I guess that is another thread...

Joe is off to the Privy Council this week apparently. It'll be interesting to see what comes of that.