GT250R vs CBR250RR pre 100 acceleration

[hazzy]

Hey,

I'm currently in the market for a new bike.

Thinking about getting a CBR250RR 1990 and kitting it out with the tyga-performance kit for looks or getting a Hyosung GT250R 2006 or 2007 and looking good stock.

Mostly interested in pre 100 acceleration, dont care about top end.

I know the GT250R has good acceleration but what does it compare to the CBR?

Also interested in resale value, which i'd get the most money for when it comes time to sell in about a year. Would be well maintained always garaged etc.

[bobsmith]

I can't say about the hyosung but the CBR250 is a very fast bike to 100. Not many cars would keep up with it to 100. And they look bloody great with the tyga kit too. A bit pricey though aren't they?

[hazzy]

I can't say about the hyosung but the CBR250 is a very fast bike to 100. Not many cars would keep up with it to 100. And they look bloody great with the tyga kit too. A bit pricey though aren't they?

Can source full tyga kit for 1200 so in the end would probably be about the same price as a new hyosung, to get it on par with looks as the hyosung.

I do like the size of the hyosung, the CBR feels a little cramped.

I'm just worried about the hyosung's performance pre 100km compared to the cbr, i know the hyosung wont compare past 100km but that doesnt really worry me as i wont be doing much of that.

[Flyingpony]

You already have a 250cc bike so are probably on learners or restricted.
Why waste you money buying another bike and flicking it on in 12 months time.
Wait out your time and then upgrade.


As for pre-100 performance. You're comparing a V-Twin to an InLine 4. The Inline 4 will always win.

[skelstar]

You already have a 250cc bike so are probably on learners or restricted.
Why waste you money buying another bike and flicking it on in 12 months time.
Wait out your time and then upgrade.

The pony that flys makes a good point. Besides I think the CBR would eat the Hyobag for breakie.

[hXc]

As for pre-100 performance. You're comparing a V-Twin to an InLine 4. The Inline 4 will always win.Someone has his engine configurations the wrong way round...

V-twin produces a lot more torque down low than an inline 4. On my Spada, I could drag any 250 4cyl up to about 80-100k's, then the power of the 4 would kick in. Pre-100 acceleration: V-twin > 4cyl.

[wildpudding]

Someone has his engine configurations the wrong way round...


Sounds like we should do some scientific reasearch...

Who's got a video camera?

[hXc]

Sounds like we should do some scientific reasearch...I already did the 'scientific research.' For a year and one day, while I had the Spada, any time I went up against a 4cyl 250, it was the same result 90% of the time.

[N4CR]

my old zxr250c (modded alot though) would smoke anything il4 250 by a big margin if they were stock and walk them if they were equivalently modded.

it utterly killed gt250/gt250r's, like it killed them like they were fxr150's lol.
so yes a cbr250rr would kill anything hyosung 250 with ease as they are pretty much same speed as stock zxrs.

spada can go **** my old zxr's balls, wish i'd lined you up on that thing you would have changed your tune pretty quickly.

[hazzy]

Someone has his engine configurations the wrong way round...

V-twin produces a lot more torque down low than an inline 4. On my Spada, I could drag any 250 4cyl up to about 80-100k's, then the power of the 4 would kick in. Pre-100 acceleration: V-twin > 4cyl.


This is what i presumed - thanks for clarifying that!

As to the fact that i already have a 250, i'm safe to say its a pile of shit with no fairings atm due for warrent and rego this month would need fairings + indicators + new tire. looking at around $1600 to fix up with a paint job. I dont really want to ride round on for antoher 15 months, even longer if i dont do defensive driving course which i probably wont.

[hXc]

spada can go **** my old zxr's balls, wish i'd lined you up on that thing you would have changed your tune pretty quickly.Shut up fag.


This is what i presumed - thanks for clarifying that!A GT250(r) won't beat a CBRZXRGSXRFZR though, because it's new, and it's horsepower doesn't relate at all to that of a bike of the same engine size 15 yrs ago. It's weight doesn't help either.

If you want a v-twin, find a Spada. A few on tardme now, they're great bikes. I miss mine...stupid bitches that can't drive.

[hazzy]

Shut up fag.

A GT250(r) won't beat a CBRZXRGSXRFZR though, because it's new, and it's horsepower doesn't relate at all to that of a bike of the same engine size 15 yrs ago. It's weight doesn't help either.

If you want a v-twin, find a Spada. A few on tardme now, they're great bikes. I miss mine...stupid bitches that can't drive.

I'm looking for a fully faired bike, hmmm maybe i will go with the cbr tyga... or even a vfr 400 tyga, what are the fines like if i get pulled over in that ?

[hXc]

$400 and 25 demerits.

[onearmedbandit]

Keep it civil thanks folks, no need to get personal.

[Craig11]

Surely the CBR would thrash the GT250r in everyway possible...... Go with Inline 4.

[hazzy]

Surely the CBR would thrash the GT250r in everyway possible...... Go with Inline 4.

maybe - except size.

[kornboy]

Hyosung = shit, almost every person that ive known of this a hyosung has had really annoying problems of some sort, even when there still new.
I ride a cbr and its mint, never have problems and its over 10 years old!

[rookie]

my old zxr250c (modded alot though) would smoke anything il4 250 by a big margin if they were stock and walk them if they were equivalently modded.

it utterly killed gt250/gt250r's, like it killed them like they were fxr150's lol.
so yes a cbr250rr would kill anything hyosung 250 with ease as they are pretty much same speed as stock zxrs.

spada can go **** my old zxr's balls, wish i'd lined you up on that thing you would have changed your tune pretty quickly.


Couldnt agree more with you.

I own a zxr and ive actually given a gtr a fang through some decent roads. Who gives a damn what they say about the extra torque being produced down low - on paper the gtr looks good but this doesnt transfer to real world performance. Off the line the v-twin may give the zxr a run for its money but the zxr comes straight back by the middle of 1st gear. sub 7000rpm performance favours the vtwin but anything above that makes the hyosung look like a scooter.

0 to 40 - take the hyosung
0 to 100 - cbr250rr...no competition

[hazzy]

looks like im going for the cbr250rr 1990, it should definatly look the part with the tyga performace

[Panther]

friends don't let friends ride hyobags

[bobsmith]

sub 7000rpm performance favours the vtwin ....
............
0 to 40 - take the hyosung

Uhhh....... ever heard of a clutch???

[skelstar]

friends don't let friends ride hyobags

So its Bros before Hyos then Sally? ;)

[Mr. Peanut]

Shut up fag.

A GT250(r) won't beat a CBRZXRGSXRFZR though, because it's new, and it's horsepower doesn't relate at all to that of a bike of the same engine size 15 yrs ago. It's weight doesn't help either.

If you want a v-twin, find a Spada. A few on tardme now, they're great bikes. I miss mine...stupid bitches that can't drive.

Who needs torque when you have a clutch?
Watch your language boy, or ill PM your mother :nono:

Get a 2-stroke, there's a few nice MC21s on trademe at the moment, you'd have enough dosh left over for a TYGA kit and/or a full engine rebuild too. Far superior bike to the CBR in performance.

[hazzy]

Who needs torque when you have a clutch?
Watch your language boy, or ill PM your mother :nono:

Get a 2-stroke, there's a few nice MC21s on trademe at the moment, you'd have enough dosh left over for a TYGA kit and/or a full engine rebuild too. Far superior bike to the CBR in performance.

i want something reliable, as i commute every day

[Sparky Bills]

friends don't let friends ride hyobags


Agrred!:innocent:

[Mr. Peanut]

i want something reliable, as i commute every day

So do I, I ride mine every day. Starts first kick everytime.

Which's more stressed, a 50cc scooter being thrashed, or an NSR250 puttering?

[hazzy]

So do I, I ride mine every day. Starts first kick everytime.

Which's more stressed, a 50cc scooter being thrashed, or an NSR250 puttering?

Its too much of a hassle with all the preventative maintance and rebuilds etc for the extra performance its not worth the down time, id rather wait till i get my full to go all out performance wise

[rookie]

Its too much of a hassle with all the preventative maintance and rebuilds etc for the extra performance its not worth the down time, id rather wait till i get my full to go all out performance wise

trust me mate...four strokers can be just as much of a nightmare. Rebuilds cost much more for four than for two strokers.

Like i mentioned earlier...make sure you check them thoroughly and get one that has a decent service history. My zxr was my first bike and i got burned. If i knew what i know now - i wouldve seen all the signs that told me to look elsewhere. I was after a bargain at the time but with hindsight, it would've been better for me to have spent more initially and got something with less km's and something that someone had actually serviced!!

ok end of rant

[cowpoos]

Hey,

I'm currently in the market for a new bike.

Thinking about getting a CBR250RR 1990 and kitting it out with the tyga-performance kit for looks or getting a Hyosung GT250R 2006 or 2007 and looking good stock.

Mostly interested in pre 100 acceleration, dont care about top end.

I know the GT250R has good acceleration but what does it compare to the CBR?

Also interested in resale value, which i'd get the most money for when it comes time to sell in about a year. Would be well maintained always garaged etc.
dude...you'll beat all the boy racers on either...

just if you buy a honda you'll be know as a fag for life!!!

have a nice day :)

[cowpoos]

friends don't let friends ride hyobags

go hump a frog woman!!!!


rather have a hyosung than a frickin ghey honda!!!!!

[McJim]

The advantage of the 2 smoker rebuild is that you can do it at home yourself - just the cost of parts.

No valves to fidle with - we won't be selling the RG150 even after we've both moved to bigger bikes coz it's so much fun, cheap to run, reliable and easy to maintain.

They race RG150s against CBR250RRs in streetstock I believe - and I don't think their performance is embarrassing either - my VTR250 kills hyosungs for top end and from a standing start and the RG150 makes the VTR look shabby (with the same rider therefore it's the bike that makes the difference)

The difference between a slow 250 and a fast 250 0-100 isn't going to be to noticeable unless you're racing where 0.5 seconds is a lot but for commuting and evening/weekend riding - get something that's comfortable. I regret getting the VTR coz it's too uncomfortable - the Hyosung would have fitted me better.

Only 2 more months to go.

[hazzy]

trust me mate...four strokers can be just as much of a nightmare. Rebuilds cost much more for four than for two strokers.

Like i mentioned earlier...make sure you check them thoroughly and get one that has a decent service history. My zxr was my first bike and i got burned. If i knew what i know now - i wouldve seen all the signs that told me to look elsewhere. I was after a bargain at the time but with hindsight, it would've been better for me to have spent more initially and got something with less km's and something that someone had actually serviced!!

ok end of rant

I think ill be getting this 1993 cbr250rr with 13,000km from a local dealer, i'll get it checked out by someone that knows what their doing and a service history

[Mr. Peanut]

That's 930km a year.

Yeah.

Right.

Don't even tolerate that bullshit, it's more likely got 60000km on it and you should pay accordingly. Go by condition and ignore Km entirely.

[hurricane_r]

I already did the 'scientific research.' For a year and one day, while I had the Spada, any time I went up against a 4cyl 250, it was the same result 90% of the time.

cbr250r, cbr250rr, fzr250, zxr250, will all beat a spada,

, infact until u said spada, i didnt know wat it is, i done research and its not even in the list of fastest 250's anywhere,,,

hey hxc, u sure they where even nailing the gas?, or is spada so slow it seems ur only just pulling away, giving the illusion that the other guy is going for it?,.

[KLOWN]

from what I understand you don't need fairing to get wof just keep the bike until you go up in license or get a 400cc not worth droping 6 grand on a 250 you'll have for less than a yer. Also 2 strokes are good bikes I don't know where everyone gets these ideas that they trouble and hassle. 2 strokes go hard and are reliable if you look after them.

[Switch]

That's 930km a year.

Yeah.

Right.

Don't even tolerate that bullshit, it's more likely got 60000km on it and you should pay accordingly. Go by condition and ignore Km entirely.

DODGY! :nono:

[N4CR]

go hump a frog woman!!!!


rather have a hyosung than a frickin ghey honda!!!!!

they're both about as crap and fanatically g4y as each other, just get a zxr c.

[N4CR]

the difference between a slow 250 and a fast 250 0-100 isn't going to be to noticeable unless you're racing

uhh.... yes it is ;) try overtaking and dragging they just disappear into your lights like the 10r against 250's but to a lesser extent.. rather hilarious :) best one is when the hyf4gs would try race me on the motorway on the zxr250 it would smoke them big time. it's like a **** canned civic vs a litre bike. :lol:

[Brett]

HXC - you really rate the dirty old spada dont ya?

Hazzy - Inline 4 vs a V twin any day with regard to 250's. None of the twins will touch a zxr or CBR 250rr above say 30kph. These dudes who reckon they will clearly have minimal 250 knowledge/experience. They may be older, but they are faster, more agile and more fun. However, each to their own, and I would not want to try and change anyone from what they like. Personally, I would get a ZXR250c anytime. Awesome little machines.

[BarBender]

I'd owned a Hyosung for 6 months and rode a loaner CBR250RR for 4 months..

The Hyosung for price of a new bike and looks - esp if you're a bigger than average rider.
The CBR if its rip shit & bust and speed and handling are you're thing.

My personal preference was the CBR. Probably the best 4 months on a bike I can remember!!!

[KLOWN]

if your cramped on a cbr get a zxr they have more room

[Speedracer]

cbr250s are the best 250s I have ridden for handling. I haven't ridden a lot of 250s though.

But I'm finding mine is almost as unreliable as a 2 stroke. I put about 1000km on it between the engine doing something strange. First off I bought a cheap bike that got me 1000km home before the lack of oil from the previous owner caught up with it. The next one holed a piston??, and this time it's the gear box. The two engines involved both had 25,000km on the clock.

Plus you can't buy parts from honda like bearing shells and headgaskets anymore, but mine is the 87 model, so you might be ok if you get an rr.

I read somewhere than cbr250s get 100,000kms with nearly no maintenance... all I can say is thats not my experience!

I'm only not getting rid of it cos it owes me too much, it is a real good ride when it goes and I have a ton of spares now.

And although the CBR is a bit highly geared in first, once it's warmed up and hits 10,000rpm, you leave everything else behind.

[Pancakes]

The IL4 anyday, you can go faster than them if they aren't trying to go fast but thats not what we're talking about a? Two bikes of equal capacity. The 4 is far better balanced and might redline at 14,000 not 10,000 so will make more power and accelerate faster. The Hyosungs are really poor breathers (watch the for sale section, I'll have that sorted soon) so are roughly the same as the vtr's I've been on/lined up with but they get to use higher revs and carry on to higher speeds.

The real thing that I don't get is;

Whats with the "Fastest 250" threads if you want to go fast you need more power comparitive to whatever your fat ass weighs. Get a bigger bike. Sheesh, 250 is frick all and modding just stresses parts even more, power / stroke or more revs (or both) will show you all the weak points in your bikes design. Really kids. Get bigger bikes, bike that I've had a reasonable amount of time on (only transport for 4 months) that I enjoyed the most was a VFR400R / NC30. I'd get one in a blink. Still nice and light feeling too. Probably a bit outdated now.

[Mr. Peanut]

But I'm finding mine is almost as unreliable as a 2 stroke. I put about 1000km on it between the engine doing something strange. First off I bought a cheap bike that got me 1000km home before the lack of oil from the previous owner caught up with it. The next one holed a piston??, and this time it's the gear box. The two engines involved both had 25,000km on the clock.

That's funny, cause I haven't had one problem with mine. I have half the carbs and no valves.

Don't have to worry about oil changes. Starts first kick every time.

[vtec]

I've started racing 600 supersport this year, and I'm reasonably quick, but I still love riding the CBR250RR, it still seems fast to me, and is definitely heaps of fun even with the crap tyres I've got on it at the moment. I raced one in the VMCC streetstock series and cleaned up on it, the only bike that beat me fair was a ZXR250c with a crazy man on it (read: Texmo). I lost one race to an RG150 aswell, cause it was my first ever race in the rain, and I was crapping my panties, but got over it the next time I raced in the wet and cleaned up again.

The CBR250RR rules. If I could never have another bike I would still be happy with it.

With regards to reliability? My first CBR250RR I got with 10,000k's on it for $5g from a dealer with a warrantee, did the oil changes and normal maintenance, rode it for 3 years, raced it for a whole season, and sold it privately for $5g with 35,000k's.

The second one, I had for road use while the other one was set up for the track is now my only road bike, got with about 30,000k's, fresh import, needed a bit of work to get it up to scratch again, cause it looked like it hadn't been used in years, cleaned the carbs, put a new chain on, a few other things too, now it's running great. And in all my time I've never had an engine or gearbox or suspension fault on any of them. I couriered on it all day today, and had a blast, they are bloody fast.

I started my riding with an ex racing Pepsi Replica Suzuki RGV250, yeah it was fast, but it was so unreliable I was scared to kick the starter just in case something was wrong. Spent over $1000 just on engine work to keep it going for 10,000k's. I don't think I will ever own another two stroke unless I'm rich enough to have a brand new one, but they don't really make good two strokers any more.

If you don't care about progressing yourself as a skilled rider/racer then by all means go for a vtwin 250. But don't ever try and tell me that they are faster to any speed. In the streetstock racing on the launch, I could get my front wheel just lifting off the ground for the whole of first gear all the way up to 70k/hr, a vtwin won't ever be in front if the IL4 has a skilled rider on it. Maybe if they both let the clutch out at 4000rpm, then the Vtwin might handle that better, but that's not what the IL4 is designed for. If you are going to launch it properly, you have to slip the clutch from about 14,000 and not let it drop below 11,000rpm.

P.S. RPM are indicated only, and redline is an 'indicated 19,000rpm'... Sweet.

P.P.S The vtwins have about half the horsepower of the IL4's, remarkably disappointing. For commuting I would settle for a VTR250, or ZZR250 but the hyosungs are a very average bike that they've prettied up,
a bit like this: http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/kawasaki_custom.cfm?modelcode=EX250F7F&do=list
I'm embarrassed that Kawasaki would put shiny flames on an 80's bike and try to pass it off as new. Yet my girlfriend thought it was hot. Do not be fooled. Same story with the hyosungs, just because they have nice fairings does not make them a good bike. Still the GPX has a claimed 38ps which is pretty decent and at 138kg's dry, that might be alright, but I won't know till I ride it.

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_2005.php
27hp, top speed 140k/hr... not good. Better off with an FXR150.

[jade]

As for pre-100 performance. You're comparing a V-Twin to an InLine 4. The Inline 4 will always win.

Care to put money on that buddy...

[HungusMaximist]

P.P.S The vtwins have about half the horsepower of the IL4's, remarkably disappointing. For commuting I would settle for a VTR250, or ZZR250 but the hyosungs are a very average bike that they've prettied up

You're right about that, I rode a 2003 Hyosung back then and it was pretty shit.


The only reason I bought it was because for the size, as I am really tall and all the Jap 250s felt like a Pony on a Merry Go around. I got rid of it as soon as I can and I really pity the fool who bought it off me. It's a reasonable bike to learn on but it's not a proper motorcycle to have fun on. Really harsh gear ratios, sponge cake rear shocks (horrible), and fluffy carbs.

Thumbs up to the sound of the V-twin but if it wasn't for the I aftermarket exahust I put on it would sound half of what it was, stock.

Sure it was back in 2004, and they've improved bits here and there but surely you're better off with something else.

You weigh it out yourself, the pros and cons. If the Hyosung fits your criteria buy it, if not don't. It's purely a matter of value, you decide. And don't let me stop you from buying one.

[Morcs]

My Bandit 250 kept pace in a drag up hobson street with a GT650. The rider (julian) comes on the thursday rides and can vouch for that...

Could just be the rider?

[Fub@r]

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_2005.php
27hp, top speed 140k/hr... not good. Better off with an FXR150.

I know the speedos can over read the speed by up to 6km/h but not 25-30km/h, the Hyobag will do 165km/h even with my lard arse on one without hitting redline, admitidly it will take longer to get there than on a CBR :)