Urgent - braided brake line wanted.

[Duc]

Sorry - probably wrong thread to post this in but I need to get a braided brake line for front brakes urgently.

I need a braided line of X length with banjo bolts crimped on each end.

Are there stock lines around or do I need to get them made? Where?

Are the banjo bolts a standard size?

Thanx for any help.BTW : Aucklander

[Bonez]

Are there stock lines around or do I need to get them made? Where?
ENZED or HYDRALINK (where I got my cb550f ones) should be able to help out. Look under "Hoses" in the yellow pages of your phone book.

[Grub]

My bike just failed its Warrant today ... braided brake line.

If it doesn't have the proper DOT number on it, it will fail. You need to check the regs or talk to your local bike shop or VTNZ to find out the right thing.

A perfectly good (and safe) brake line had to be thrown away. I hate to think what that's cost me today, pick up the bike (and the bill) tommorrow

[Bonez]

A perfectly good (and safe) brake line had to be thrown away. Bound to be someone who races CBRs that could make good use of it. Why not advertise them in the trading section?

[The_Dover]

Sorry - probably wrong thread to post this in but I need to get a braided brake line for front brakes urgently.

I need a braided line of X length with banjo bolts crimped on each end.

Are there stock lines around or do I need to get them made? Where?

Are the banjo bolts a standard size?

Thanx for any help.BTW : Aucklander

Call Jaison at Motostyle, he does road legal HEL lines.

www.motostyle.co.nz

[Grub]

Bound to be someone who races CBRs that could make good use of it. Why not advertise them in the trading section?

I never thought of that Bonez, at the moment, it's probably in the bin at Motormart, I'll see if they have it when I pick the bike up in an hour.

Are braided lines a requirement for racing?

[Duc]

There is a quick solution or 2 if anyone wants to do the work them selves.

AMPS in Khyber Pass sell the 'Russell' range of braided lines (various lengths) and fittings (banjo and bolts and DOT). They are expensive but come with a letter from the LTNZ that shows them to be legal should you have an issue with the WOF techo. Cost me $170.

I then "discovered" some fittings at 50/50 Racing at 145C Morrin Rd Mt Wellington. Much, much cheaper (and evidently legal as well according to them.).

[pete376403]

Another brand is Fren Turbo which have the required numbers to keep VTNZ happy. Boyle Kawasaki in Wellington got me some from an Auckland wholesaler so asking at one of the shops up there should get you some. Pricing is around $100 per metre. Don't forget to replace the crush washers as well.

[The_Dover]

There is a quick solution or 2 if anyone wants to do the work them selves.

AMPS in Khyber Pass sell the 'Russell' range of braided lines (various lengths) and fittings (banjo and bolts and DOT). They are expensive but come with a letter from the LTNZ that shows them to be legal should you have an issue with the WOF techo. Cost me $170.

I then "discovered" some fittings at 50/50 Racing at 145C Morrin Rd Mt Wellington. Much, much cheaper (and evidently legal as well according to them.).

you paid all that to fuck around when you could have got a full set of legal braided lines from jace for the same money. and no fucking about with wankers like amps.

no wonder you ride an oil leaking shit heap poseurs bike.

homo.

[Duc]

you paid all that to fuck around when you could have got a full set of legal braided lines from jace for the same money. and no fucking about with wankers like amps.

no wonder you ride an oil leaking shit heap poseurs bike.

homo.

Just so you know smart arse. The cost at Jason was going to be about the same and I would have had to wait a few days for the line. He has someone else do the job out of house.

The way I did it had me on the road again by Saturday morning. :scooter:

As regarding your moronic comment on what I ride and what I am You do not appear proud enough of your ride to let us all know what it is.

I think you have mistaken me for someone who might give a fuck about what you think. :whocares:

[The_Dover]

Just so you know smart arse. The cost at Jason was going to be about the same and I would have had to wait a few days for the line. He has someone else do the job out of house.

The way I did it had me on the road again by Saturday morning. :scooter:

As regarding your moronic comment on what I ride and what I am You do not appear proud enough of your ride to let us all know what it is.

I think you have mistaken me for someone who might give a fuck about what you think. :whocares:

So why did you reply if you don't care?

If you don't know what I ride, it's because you don't need to know.

[pritch]

Call Jaison at Motostyle, he does road legal HEL lines.www.motostyle.co.nz

Yeah, when I was after braided lines I looked first at Galfer but they had no markings.

I then enquired of HEL in the UK about markings. They replied that the hoses don't come with any markings but the NZ agent fits a sleeve bearing the magic numbers. Good thinking!

[Duc]

I see ripples in the shallow end of the gene pool.

[The_Dover]

I see ripples in the shallow end of the gene pool.

Stop trying to be a smart cunt because it's obvious from reading your "help me, i'm retarded" posts that you're not.

The only ripples down your end of the gene pool will be the ones caused by you fucking your own sister.

Figured out where to stick your hose yet?

[Bonez]

I see ripples in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Good trolling. Well done.

[Motu]

Numbers are no longer required - but they must be crimped fittings.If you have screw together hoses with the required standards markings on them they will fail on your next WoF.This is gunna be fun.....

[Bonez]

Numbers are no longer required - but they must be crimped fittings.If you have screw together hoses with the required standards markings on them they will fail on your next WoF.This is gunna be fun.....Link please.
http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html#motorcycles

[Duc]

(Note: Russell Lines are crimped to the banjo and have a screw fitting to the hose)

The letter I got from AMPS when I purchased the Russell Braided lines and fittings is very clear.

It is a confirmation from the LTNZ that provided certain conditions are met, these particular lines are legal under 'NZ recognised FMVSS 106 Brake Standard'. It states that they must be labeled and numbered in a certain way with ID marks on sleeves. Removal of the IDs nulls the compliance.

Standards accepted:

1. The hose has been designed for highway use and

2. The hose can be shown to comply with one of the following standards
FMVSS 106 Brake hose or...

ISO 3996 Brake hose assemblies for hydraulic braking systems for use with non petroleum based hydraulic fluids or...

Japanese Industrial Standard JS D2601 Hydraulic Brake Hose assemblies or...

Australian Design Rule 7/00 Hydraulic Brake Hose.

Hope this helps.

[Bonez]

(Note: Russell Lines are crimped to the banjo and have a screw fitting to the hose)

The letter I got from AMPS when I purchased the Russell Braided lines and fittings is very clear.

It is a confirmation from the LTNZ that provided certain conditions are met, these particular lines are legal under 'NZ recognised FMVSS 106 Brake Standard'. It states that they must be labeled and numbered in a certain way with ID marks on sleeves. Removal of the IDs nulls the compliance.

Standards accepted:

1. The hose has been designed for highway use and

2. The hose can be shown to comply with one of the following standards
FMVSS 106 Brake hose or...

ISO 3996 Brake hose assemblies for hydraulic braking systems for use with non petroleum based hydraulic fluids or...

Japanese Industrial Standard JS D2601 Hydraulic Brake Hose assemblies or...

Australian Design Rule 7/00 Hydraulic Brake Hose.

Hope this helps.

Yeah figures there should be some sort of indication on the lines. How else are testers going to know they comply? Hense my asking Motu for a suitable link to back up his statement they don't have to be label/marked and that they should just be crimped-

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/12feb20041500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/49cfr571.106.htm

[Motu]

There is a new VIRM which comes into effect 5 March,I don't think it is on the web site yet,but should be.All reference to braided hoses needing to comply to certain standards has been removed,now the wording just states that ''hoses must be attached to the end fittings by swaging,machine crimping or a similar process''.And note 6 says that ''Hose fittings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable''.

Come and try me for a WoF tomorrow - I don't care what numbers are on your hoses,if they aren't swaged you fail....

[imdying]

As of 5th March 2007:
http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/motorcycles-08-v3.pdf

Reasons for rejection:
18. A flexible hydraulic brake hose (including connections):
g) has an end fitting that is not attached to the hose by means of swaging, machine crimping or a similar process (Note 6).


Note 6:
Hose end fi ttings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable.


It's all there, and easy to find. Personally, I had no problem with their last set of rules... no number, no WOF, but this allows a little more freedom, given that not all lines have the same codes due to various countries of origin.

[Motu]

I think that may of been one of the reasons for the wording change - there are so many different standards no one is to know what is valid what someone just stamped on.A crimped or swaged hose has been done by someone with the correct gear to make a hose to specs....anyone can put together screwed together hoses.I don't think it will make much difference really,just a few threads started screaming about their brake hoses failing.

[Duc]

What is really interesting if they reject any connections that can be undone "using hand tools" is assumeably because of the potential of a hydraulic link failure (leak) due to "bad wrenching".

So what do they do about the Bleed Valve because you can have exactly the same result at that point.

Anyway currently I am legal and if they change the rules 5 Mar. (tomorrow) I wonder if we all have to change our brake systems. ?????

[imdying]

What is really interesting if they reject any connections that can be undone "using hand tools" is assumeably because of the potential of a hydraulic link failure (leak) due to "bad wrenching".No, it's because a number of the screw together systems use one use olives, any too many people use them more than one.
So what do they do about the Bleed Valve because you can have exactly the same result at that point.Not related, see above.

Anyway currently I am legal and if they change the rules 5 Mar. (tomorrow) I wonder if we all have to change our brake systems. ?????Yep, if they're not crimp types you sure will.

[Bonez]

Still seems a bit open to interpritation. Seems TOO black and white if there is such a thing. IE what about those hoses the end fitting of the hose is crimped on but then this can be screwed onto other fitting/adapters that go onto the brake calipers. These fittings can have can have tubing attached, like most cars, where the brake hose is screwed into using hand tools then at on end then screwed onto the caliper at the other using hand tools. For example older motorcycles such as sohc CB750s etc Those that don't have bango fittings. Maybe I'm reading into it too much.

Thanks for the links btw guys.

[Bonez]

Hmm, wouldn't it be a dag if Ducs original lines comply with the 5 March change.....

[imdying]

Still seems a bit open to interpritation. Seems TOO black and white if there is such a thing. IE what about those hoses the end fitting of the hose is crimped on but then this can be screwed onto other fitting/adapters that go onto the brake calipers. These fittings can have can have tubing attached, like most cars, where the brake hose is screwed into using hand tools then at on end then screwed onto the caliper at the other using hand tools. For example older motorcycles such as sohc CB750s etc Those that don't have bango fittings. Maybe I'm reading into it too much.

Thanks for the links btw guys.So long as the hose cannot be disassembled no problem. I'm guessing you're thinking of the braided hose systems that have a number of premade hoses in various lengths, and then use a 45 degree conical concave seat in the female ends. These are then mated to adaptors and banjos of various sizes/shapes/angles. Those would be perfectly legal.

But (there's always a but), those are visually indistinguishable from screw together braided hoses :( So if I was a vehicle inspector, I'd fail them, unless I had experience with that specific brand. Of course, you could take them off the bike and show them to me, and that would be fine. That is of course a hassle of your own making though, running non standard braking parts.... an inspector cannot possibly be expected to be familiar with the setup of every possible brand, so I believe that it's unfair to fault them on that.

Long story short. Adaptors (banjos, male/female, male/male etc) are fine. So long as the hose has crimped ends that either terminate in ends designed to seal to the adaptors, or terminate in regular ends like male/female ends or banjos, then they're fine. The crimp is the key.

[Motu]

Maybe I'm reading into it too much.


You certainly are,it's very simple....and that's why the wording change.

And that's why there will be a change in the exhaust rules too - customers complain too much about individual inspectors interpretations of the rules.....so it becomes black and white,pass or fail.

You asked for it.

[Bonez]

So long as the hose has crimped ends that either terminate in ends designed to seal to the adaptors, or terminate in regular ends like male/female ends or banjos, then they're fine.That what I was after. So it can be a crimped fitted screwed into an adapter, say one thread type to another (say male/male to another fitting compatable with the calipers thread) then attached to the caliper.

[pritch]

And that's why there will be a change in the exhaust rules too - customers complain too much about individual inspectors interpretations of the rules.....so it becomes black and white,pass or fail.


Yep simple! But the few inspectors that were total tossers will still be total tossers.


Ummmm does that mean I can buy Galfer hoses now :-)

[Bonez]

Yep simple! But the few inspectors that were total tossers will still be total tossers.


Exactly. One reason I prefer to have my WOFs done by independent inspectors and not ones the rely on your business for there bussiness if you know what I mean.

[Motu]

Yep,you're the guy I can see coming,and think what can I pretend is faulty to fail it on.Then when you bring it in for repair I just wipe it clean and charge a fortune.Chicks are better,they are just so stupid - I can buy a new bike just from one blonde.

[Bonez]

Yep,you're the guy I can see coming,and think what can I pretend is faulty to fail it on.Then when you bring it in for repair I just wipe it clean and charge a fortune. Chicks are better,they are just so stupid - I can buy a new bike just from one blonde.What no second opions? Or do you all ring around each of other for arse coverage. You know, keep it in the family as it were.

Do you get a free servicing from the blode?

[Motu]

I get my mates Clint and Brad to come around to help service the blonde....they have the proper tools for the job.

[Bonez]

I get my mates Clint and Brad to come around to help service the blonde....they have the proper tools for the job.Lol
Good night. Off to dream of roads seldom ridden.