Non-instant fines

[R6_kid]

How much were you taxed and how far over the speed limit were you? Please only post fines that are not issued road side, and only fines that relate to speeding.

I just got hit for $780 for my 59kmh over jaunt back in November 06.

[Batcerb]

Just last week ...

$400 for 36km over limit :sick:

Weird little bit of road, its in a 50k zone but has a passing lane, which only then becomes a 70 about 100m up the road.

But the thing is, cop didnt get a lock on his radar so he couldnt show me the alleged speed, but he said " i dont have to", and wrote out ticket anyway.

A letter has been written anyway so will see what happens

that was a roadside issue sorry :|

[The_Dover]

allemagne - nil point

[Switch]

$1000 plus 9 months loss of licence plus $130 court costs, plus $800 work licence, plus $4000 in lawyers fees. for what.. 140km/h over the limit (240 in a 100), anyone would think I was Clint Rickards but he got off.

Total $5930

Do I win a prize?

Edit... I forgot to add that I then (as a result of the above so should count) got done for Driving contrary to a limited licence condition, which landed me 40 hours community service (how do you put a monetary value on that) another $130 court costs, and another $800 lawyer bill. So now its up to $6860.. surely thats a winner?

Ouch thats gotta hurt. Did you get in alot of trouble with St Johns? I have a feeling they wont accept me for 2 years. Or until my fine gets wiped.

[Nicksta]

does it count Bruce's $150 2nd notice for riding on a slick that he said he didnt get a ticket for that arrived in the post the other day? either he was cheeky and didnt tell me he got a ticket or the cop posted the original ticket instead of giving it on the spot....
cheeky boy!

[boomer]

I think we have a winner.. Teh fastest Medic in town ( in a straight line ) :rofl:

[The_Dover]

And you cunts wonder why I'm so slow on the roads these days.

i thought that was cos you were on Poo's bike!!

[The Stranger]

does it count Bruce's $150 2nd notice for riding on a slick that he said he didnt get a ticket for that arrived in the post the other day? either he was cheeky and didnt tell me he got a ticket or the cop posted the original ticket instead of giving it on the spot....
cheeky boy!

Hmm maybe you could in memory of Bruce not respond and let them sue him and/or issue a warrant for his arrest etc.
I am sure he of all people would appreciate that after having had a few brushes with the law for riding offences.

[vifferman]

It's over 2 years ago now, but I got charged $300 and 40 points for overtaking at 132 in a passing lane, after following a slow-moving, fume-belching 4WD for about 15 minutes. Didn't even see the Polis - he was parked off to the side in a lay-by, and took about 10 km to catch up to me, even though I dropped back to 100km/h as soon as I'd passed the behemoth.
Now - quick quiz:
Which was more of a safety hazard - me overtaking at excessive speed in a passing lane, or a cop car with lights on on a busy road, trying to catch up to me for 10 km?

I know "the law's the law", but given that (once upon a time) the main purpose of the laws were road safety, this is not at all logical.

[The Stranger]

$1000 plus 9 months loss of licence plus $130 court costs, plus $800 work licence, plus $4000 in lawyers fees. for what.. 140km/h over the limit (240 in a 100), anyone would think I was Clint Rickards but he got off.

Total $5930

Do I win a prize?

Edit... I forgot to add that I then (as a result of the above so should count) got done for Driving contrary to a limited licence condition, which landed me 40 hours community service (how do you put a monetary value on that) another $130 court costs, and another $800 lawyer bill. So now its up to $6860.. surely thats a winner?

Couldn't you have just saved yourself a lot of money and said you were guilty - or weren't you?

[ManDownUnder]

i thought that was cos you were on Poo's bike!!

Nearly - it's all the poo he got into on a bike...

[Macktheknife]

Hmm maybe you could in memory of Bruce not respond and let them sue him and/or issue a warrant for his arrest etc.
I am sure he of all people would appreciate that after having had a few brushes with the law for riding offences.

I was thinking of the same thing! lol
I reckon he would have a hell of a laugh about that one!

[R6_kid]

So now its up to $6860.. surely thats a winner?[/I]

guess i shouldnt be so unhappy then!

[onearmedbandit]

Couple years back I got done for 73km/h over the limit (state highway, no traffic, good visibility), I got about $650 fines (the minimum for dangerous driving) and 6mths loss of licence. About 10yrs ago I got caught doing in excess of 200km/h (actual speed was clost to 250km/h) but he didn't get a lock on me, was based of his account of doing 200km/h and I was pulling away from him, received closer to $1100 in fines for that one, along with the standard 6mths walking.

Lesson learnt, now I try not to put myself in that position instead have fun below 140km/h through the twisties and the hills. Not to say I'm perfect, just wiser. And I go out to the track to blow the cobwebs out, for $50 for the afternoon its mucho cheaper.

[craigs288]

That's just nasty.
I feel OK about my $880 for 166 in a 100. Only got the mandatory 28 days walking at the time of the ticket.
I must have looked like I was doing a safe job of it because the nice policeman didn't tick any of the nasty boxes, like dangerous use, careless use, etc.
How can you ride carelessly at 166km/h? I love my bike and my life so I was concentrating like a motherf$%ker at the time.

[jetboy]

err $1200 plus court costs plus $6000 lawyers fees...

[craigs288]

Jetboy and speedie. Do either of you feel that the massive lawyers fees were worth it?
In retrospect, do you think the lawyers prevented the court and the system from completely f$%king you over, or looking back do feel if you had just gone there to argue you case for yourself, that you would have ended up with the same fine and loss of licence, but no lawyers bill.
It just seems like the lawyers fees are huge compared to the cost of the fines.

[jetboy]

In hindsight I should have just pleaded guilty and paid my fine to the rapists oops I mean cops.

I was the same as Speedie, if I would have just pleaded guilty in the first place I'd have to pay $860 or something plus costs, and a 6 month loss of licence. So the lawyer actually cost me MORE in fines - bastard.
The judge I had was a real wanker anyways - I was just a young hoon in his eyes.

Having said that - I still maintain I WAS NOT GUILTY haha.

[Nicksta]

Hmm maybe you could in memory of Bruce not respond and let them sue him and/or issue a warrant for his arrest etc.
I am sure he of all people would appreciate that after having had a few brushes with the law for riding offences.
lol.. i kinda thought about it.. but just posted it to the solicitor anyways.....

I was thinking of the same thing! lol
I reckon he would have a hell of a laugh about that one!
fully... although i think he was giggling at me when i got the letter in the first place considering he told me he got off with a warning.... cheeky bugger!

[scumdog]

Hmm, some of you have had a bad run it seems.
Last ticket (or more correctly, Court Summons) was in 1987 for doing 156kmh.

Wrote in an explanation, pleaded guilty and got a $200 fine + costs, no disqualification.

And that's my only speeding 'ticket' to date.

[Jimmy B]

Hmm, some of you have had a bad run it seems.
Last ticket (or more correctly, Court Summons) was in 1987 for doing 156kmh.

Wrote in an explanation, pleaded guilty and got a $200 fine + costs, no disqualification.

And that's my only speeding 'ticket' to date.

Hope you saved that letter as a template - maybe some of the guys here could use a copy :dodge:

[Forest]

1 x Riding my GPZ 305 with no motorbike license (only car license). Around $120.
2 x Riding my GSX 1100EZ with no motorbike license (only car license). Around $120 each time.
Pulled over for 61 km in a 50 zone. Around $80 plus some demerits.
Speed camera doing 65 km in a 50 zone. Around $80

Accumulated over ten years of riding.

[KLOWN]

got a $700 dollar fine when a speed camera caught me at 110 in a 50 zone. Wrote in saying i sold my car (mini) bought a slower one etc etc i'm so sorry etc. was quite happy with only getting $700. But another time when I was going for a cane in my mini and I saw red and blues I pulled over and the cop was sooo pissed off he said he was trying to catch me for the last ten minutes LOL i wasn't even trying to get away just having fun. He didn't get me on radar but made up a bunch of other shit, in his words it was "I'm gonna see how big i can make this ticket" :gob: put in running red (no lights on the route i took) not indicating while changing lanes (one laned road) driving in a manner liable to cause damage etc etc turned out to be $1200 couldn't do anything about it because I had so many other tickets no one would believe me over the cop.

[Patrick]

... surely thats a winner?[/I]

The opposite springs to mind...:dodge:

Money well spent on lawyers... Pffftttt....

[Toaster]

Just last week ...

$400 for 36km over limit :sick:

Weird little bit of road, its in a 50k zone but has a passing lane, which only then becomes a 70 about 100m up the road.

But the thing is, cop didnt get a lock on his radar so he couldnt show me the alleged speed, but he said " i dont have to", and wrote out ticket anyway.

A letter has been written anyway so will see what happens

that was a roadside issue sorry :|

Yeah, he doesn't have to show you. It's a nice to do, but not required by law.

[KLOWN]

Yeah, he doesn't have to show you. It's a nice to do, but not required by law.

I thought if you asked they had to show you.

[mstriumph]

seems as though NZ and WA both have the same snail-like system probs.

----- i got a ticket for one of our co vehs yesterday ..... relating to an alleged speeding offence which took place [or allegedly took place ...] on 26th October 2006

:mellow:

[Patrick]

I thought if you asked they had to show you.

There can be any number of reasons why the speed isn't locked... the operator can say he had a clear doppler tone, your vehicle was the culprit, that is all folks... could be he was too busy slowing to turn around/bumped the release button/whatever...

Not ideal, not used as an excuse often as it is not worth the potential argument etc...

Better to have it and show...

[Toaster]

I thought if you asked they had to show you.

If they locked it in, they may show you if safe and reasonable to do so. The point I was making is that they don't have to lock the radar, their observation is enough. But obviously locking it in and showing the person the readout would add some value to the police case - a good cop would also record your reaction to the readout as well and anything you say.

[Grahameeboy]

$360 Fine, 3 months loss of licence, Limited cost me $150.

Moral, accept consequences and don't use Lawyers.....the trubs is that you know you broke the Law, the Judge knows that and the Court get pissed off that you use fancy Lawyers to get you off being guilty so they are gonna get some 'pay back'......tis the law of the concrete jungle.

[KLOWN]

If they locked it in, they may show you if safe and reasonable to do so. The point I was making is that they don't have to lock the radar, their observation is enough. But obviously locking it in and showing the person the readout would add some value to the police case - a good cop would also record your reaction to the readout as well and anything you say.


ok, sweet. Good to know.

[jetboy]

If they locked it in, they may show you if safe and reasonable to do so. The point I was making is that they don't have to lock the radar, their observation is enough. But obviously locking it in and showing the person the readout would add some value to the police case - a good cop would also record your reaction to the readout as well and anything you say.
In saying that - I had a bastard pull me up between Pokeno and Tuakau who said he "visually estimated" my speed! Checked the radar reading in his car and it was conveniently 121kph - into the next braked of demerit points and fines. I sure as hell wasnt going that fast (then...) so I complained and he said I had to write a complaint letter. So I worte a letter of complaint and my reply was "I did not estimate your speed it was checked with an accurate instrument. Should you wish to take this further contact the courts".
Bullshit really.

[NighthawkNZ]

Bullshit really.

Years ago I got pulled over on my XJ 650, and the cop said do you have any reason why you were doing that speed. I said cause I was allowed too.. :scratch: (I was doing around 110kph)

He wrote the ticket out in a real bad mood and put 203km as the recorded speed. I looked at it and said thank you, I will see you in court. He gave me a blank look... and said fine.

In court, I said. I would happily pay the fine if any one in this court room can make my XJ special do 203kph as it is... Its outside... lets go. (it has top end speed of around 170 - 175 when it was new and after I added all the touring kit and panniers it was probably only 160kph)

[R6_kid]

Years ago I got pulled over on my XJ 650, and the cop said do you have any reason why you were doing that speed. I said cause I was allowed too.. :scratch: (I was doing around 110kph)

He wrote the ticket out in a real bad mood and put 203km as the recorded speed. I looked at it and said thank you, I will see you in court. He gave me a blank look... and said fine.

In court, I said. I would happily pay the fine if any one in this court room can make my XJ special do 203kph as it is... Its outside... lets go. (it has top end speed of around 170 - 175 when it was new and after I added all the touring kit and panniers it was probably only 160kph)

sounds like swantiger losing his license for doing 140kmh+ on a hyosung :shutup:

[Patrick]

sounds like swantiger losing his license for doing 140kmh+ on a hyosung :shutup:

Thought he had a "rock solid" defence???

[Ixion]

It does seem to me that it is time that NZ law was amended to require visual proof of an alleged excessive speed.

There are too many anecdotal cases where cops are alleged to have "made up" grossly excessive speeds for them all to be urban myth.

I can't see why the radar units could not record a date/time stamp and the speed they clocked at that time and print it out.

In the short term, a simple digital camera focused on the radar unit would work fine.

[scumdog]

It does seem to me that it is time that NZ law was amended to require visual proof of an alleged excessive speed.

There are too many anecdotal cases where cops are alleged to have "made up" grossly excessive speeds for them all to be urban myth.

I can't see why the radar units could not record a date/time stamp and the speed they clocked at that time and print it out.

In the short term, a simple digital camera focused on the radar unit would work fine.

But, but, the tickets would cost even more then...

[Grahameeboy]

But, but, the tickets would cost even more then...

what the paper or would they raise the fine to cover the extra cost?

[Patrick]

Instant fines start at $30 up to $630...

The median is $300... if maths serves me correctly?

Make any speeding ticket, being 1 km over or whatever, a $300 ticket...

Sorted!

[KLOWN]

Years ago I got pulled over on my XJ 650, and the cop said do you have any reason why you were doing that speed. I said cause I was allowed too.. :scratch: (I was doing around 110kph)

He wrote the ticket out in a real bad mood and put 203km as the recorded speed. I looked at it and said thank you, I will see you in court. He gave me a blank look... and said fine.

In court, I said. I would happily pay the fine if any one in this court room can make my XJ special do 203kph as it is... Its outside... lets go. (it has top end speed of around 170 - 175 when it was new and after I added all the touring kit and panniers it was probably only 160kph)

do cops get in trouble for blatently lying? or is it the calibration of the lasers fault? Can they check if the laser really did read that or do they just believe the cop?

[scumdog]

do cops get in trouble for blatently lying? or is it the calibration of the lasers fault? Can they check if the laser really did read that or do they just believe the cop?


I don't lie - ever!!!

And I ALWAYS let the speeder read the speed on the radar - and that's even if I locked-on a speed slower than they were originally doing when I first saw them.:yes: .

[KLOWN]

I don't lie - ever!!!

And I ALWAYS let the speeder read the speed on the radar - and that's even if I locked-on a speed slower than they were originally doing when I first saw them.:yes: .
just refering to the incident quoted. I have had more nice cops pull me over then mean ones. all in all my opinion of cops is a positive one.

[The Pastor]

man I don't want to pay a 700 doller fine, im at uni and don't have a job! the cop told me it would be around $600 as that is the fine for doing 100-140, and they take into consideration that you lost your licence, looks like the cop lied to me, damn I thought that only happend in the movies :(

[Lou Girardin]

I don't remember, it was too long ago.

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm gonna have to join the club now. Got busted for 105 in a 50 zone.

-Indy

[jetboy]

just refering to the incident quoted. I have had more nice cops pull me over then mean ones. all in all my opinion of cops is a positive one.
Likewise - the first time I ever got pulled was when I was 16 in a cage, restricted licence after hours just after i finished work. Heading down Manukau Road in Pukekohe at 50k's in a 50k zone when these set of headlights come racing up behind me. "Want a race?" I thought, being the dickhead boyracer I was, so I floored it. The going was good - got up to 150k's (in a short distance) until I indicated to turn into my house a bit further down when the red and blues came on. I thought I was fucked but the nice copper let me off with a warning! No ticket, no nothing.

There are just a few cops out there that ruin it for the rest.

Sorry to detract from the subject by the way :Police:

[XP@]

61k over in a 50 zone.
Walking 28days, Fine $0, Lawyer $550

In this case the lawyer paid off cos he managed to get me off (lack of calibration evidence).

Advice get a good lawyer who specialises in traffic related offenses. and only if you think you have a good case.



Jetboy and speedie. Do either of you feel that the massive lawyers fees were worth it?
In retrospect, do you think the lawyers prevented the court and the system from completely f$%king you over, or looking back do feel if you had just gone there to argue you case for yourself, that you would have ended up with the same fine and loss of licence, but no lawyers bill.
It just seems like the lawyers fees are huge compared to the cost of the fines.

[davereid]

It does seem to me that it is time that NZ law was amended to require visual proof of an alleged excessive speed.

There are too many anecdotal cases where cops are alleged to have "made up" grossly excessive speeds for them all to be urban myth.

I can't see why the radar units could not record a date/time stamp and the speed they clocked at that time and print it out.

In the short term, a simple digital camera focused on the radar unit would work fine.

I have never experienced a cop making speeds up, although I have heard enough people say it happened to them to assume it does.

But radar is not that good - it really can and does make mistakes. As I have raved on is this forum before, you should defend radar based speeding tickets if you werent speeding. (If you were speeding just pay up.)

Radar can't identify its target. And a motorcycle is often a TINY radar target compared to an SUV or Truck. So an operator may be looking at a motorcycle 100m away, but getting a speed reading from a vehicle 500m or even more distant.

The visual target and the radar target are UNRELATED


Its really a lot more common than you may think.

I'm sure the police on the site will admit that they have had some "difficult to understand" readings from radar from time to time.

I am also sure that some of the "the cop made it up" stories are actually genuinely incorrect radar readings that the cop actually trusts.

The radar works great in lots of situations, so its easy for an operator to come to trust it, even when, just occasionally he thinks it may be wrong.

[The Pastor]

I have never experienced a cop making speeds up, although I have heard enough people say it happened to them to assume it does.

But radar is not that good - it really can and does make mistakes. As I have raved on is this forum before, you should defend radar based speeding tickets if you werent speeding. (If you were speeding just pay up.)

Radar can't identify its target. And a motorcycle is often a TINY radar target compared to an SUV or Truck. So an operator may be looking at a motorcycle 100m away, but getting a speed reading from a vehicle 500m or even more distant.

The visual target and the radar target are UNRELATED


Its really a lot more common than you may think.

I'm sure the police on the site will admit that they have had some "difficult to understand" readings from radar from time to time.

I am also sure that some of the "the cop made it up" stories are actually genuinely incorrect radar readings that the cop actually trusts.

The radar works great in lots of situations, so its easy for an operator to come to trust it, even when, just occasionally he thinks it may be wrong.

This is very true, Ive never been pulled for speeding when I wasnt, and ive been pulled about 10 times (9 times in a car!), I have slowed down, but if it happens defend away.

[Patrick]

61k over in a 50 zone.
Walking 28days, Fine $0, Lawyer $550

In this case the lawyer paid off cos he managed to get me off (lack of calibration evidence).

Advice get a good lawyer who specialises in traffic related offenses. and only if you think you have a good case.

So you were innocent then?

Hope the next one doing 61 k over the limit doesn't run over your kid then...

[Ixion]

Same argument as Mr Rickards, isn't it. Prosecution has to PROVE the case.

[Patrick]

Same argument as Mr Rickards, isn't it. Prosecution has to PROVE the case.

Yeah, guilty, but not guilty, but guilty, but...HUH???

[geoffm]

Same argument as Mr Rickards, isn't it. Prosecution has to PROVE the case.

Not with speeding tickets, and there are plenty of stories to prove it. The cops word is all it takes, and radar is infallable. The only defence would be to be dead at the time (with death certificate).
Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
G

[scumdog]

Blah-blah-blah, Groundhog Day!!

So on the basis you knew you were never going to get a speeding ticket how mauch faster than the speed limit would you ride??

And how much faster than the speed limit before you get a ticket do you think would be 'o.k.' to ride at the moment????

[Swoop]

Years ago I got pulled over on my XJ 650.... In court, I said. I would happily pay the fine if any one in this court room can make my XJ special do 203kph as it is... Its outside... lets go. (it has top end speed of around 170 - 175 when it was new and after I added all the touring kit and panniers it was probably only 160kph)
You would make a good mystery writer, leaving the reader hanging in suspense... Outcome?

do cops get in trouble for blatently lying?
The same could be asked of politicians...

[spudchucka]

It does seem to me that it is time that NZ law was amended to require visual proof of an alleged excessive speed.

There are too many anecdotal cases where cops are alleged to have "made up" grossly excessive speeds for them all to be urban myth.

I can't see why the radar units could not record a date/time stamp and the speed they clocked at that time and print it out.

In the short term, a simple digital camera focused on the radar unit would work fine.

They should just go with the video setups in patrol cars like the seppos have. That way you could have a recording of the radar readout, the target vehicle approaching and the driver lying their arse off.

[XP@]

So you were innocent then?

Hope the next one doing 61 k over the limit doesn't run over your kid then...

I was possibly guilty, I was looking at the road not my speed.

I thought i was in a 70 zone it was non residential and exceptionally wide, exceptionally poor signing. I was also just coming out of a corner and had just re-discovered counter steering so was possibly going faster than i thought possible.

I took my slap on the wrist. I purchased Proficient Motorcycling and spent a month reading it. then booked in for a training course for when i got my license back. Swapping my gpx750 for a much more sedate F650 slowed me down and enabled me to concentrate my fun at lower speeds.

[NighthawkNZ]

just refering to the incident quoted. I have had more nice cops pull me over then mean ones. all in all my opinion of cops is a positive one.

I don't know what happened to him, whether he blamed the calibration or not using correctly of just lying... its the only time its ever happened to me...

but I do know around the same time a few of my biker friends in the area were getting exesive speeding tickets when they weren't speeding... and there was nothing they could do. It was just my luck that the cop put a speed that my bike was incapable of achieving.

I also remember being pulled over, I wasn't speeding... and I though frack what now... but all the cop wanted to do was look at the bike... that f@#$ed me off more than getting a speeding ticket.

Most cops are honest but I do know of a couple that aren't (including a couple in Alex or at least one) where they catch a speeder and not reset the radar... and use that speed for several vehicles whether they were or not. How can you proove otherwise.

Now as I said above most cops are honest (that be you Tom :yes: ) but there is a few that aren't... there are also a few bikers that should loose there license too, and deserve what they get...

[NighthawkNZ]

You would make a good mystery writer, leaving the reader hanging in suspense... Outcome?



I did get off that one... my one and only time I been able get out of a speeding ticket. I don't know what happened to the cop... he most likely said it was a calibration error...

[KLOWN]

They should just go with the video setups in patrol cars like the seppos have. That way you could have a recording of the radar readout, the target vehicle approaching and the driver lying their arse off.

I agree, keeps the civilians AND the cops honest.

[Static]

well i got my first ever ticket today for $700 :Oops:
$300 for going 91 in a 60 zone and $400 for failing to show an L plate.
although he did point out he did let me off traveling over 70 on my learners

[Quartermile]

Don't mean to hijack but I recently got a fine for passing on the left $150 not much I know,

But it ended up my word agains the drivers, where he was pulled over to the right of the lane half on the median strip therefore as I was taught on my defensive I read body language and passed as It is leagal if he is making a right turn.....

didn't get off my fine but I don't understand what makes his words so valuable??

[Ixion]

..

didn't get off my fine but I don't understand what makes his words so valuable??

The Police logic has always been "You ride a motorcyclke, therefore you are in the wrong". Seldom fails.

[spudchucka]

The Police logic has always been "You ride a motorcyclke, therefore you are in the wrong". Seldom fails.

I've never come across that attitude as a biker or as a cop.

[KLOWN]

i seem to see a lot of cops be a LITTLE more leanient(sp) on bikers unless they have a problem with us.

[Indiana_Jones]

The cop that dealt with me seemed ok. He wasn't rude etc. Didn't impound my vehicle and let me ride home even though he took my licence.

-Indy

[Quartermile]

I've never come across that attitude as a biker or as a cop.

So then what gave the other civilian words of magical trustworthy power??

[davereid]

The Police logic has always been "You ride a motorcyclke, therefore you are in the wrong". Seldom fails.

I have found mostly the reverse.

I've been finger wagged, pulled over and warned when I was well into ticket country several times, by very reasonable cops.

Mostly I have found then just doing their job - only a couple of times have I felt the cop was being unreasonable, and maybe, just maybe it was me being the prick. Nah changed my mind, couldn't have been that.

[scumdog]

I've never come across that attitude as a biker or as a cop.

True, - I've seen more discretion shown to bikers than most car/truck drivers.

Never heard anybody talk of targetting bikers.

[Patrick]

They should just go with the video setups in patrol cars like the seppos have. That way you could have a recording of the radar readout, the target vehicle approaching and the driver lying their arse off.

Now THAT is classic!!!

[Patrick]

I've never come across that attitude as a biker or as a cop.

WOT E SED...

[avgas]

Cops will give you notice if they are pissed at you. Sometimes its just a bad day thing.
Judges on the other hand are a bunch of cocks.
The guy that was charged with hitting me, dangerous driving causing harm - judge only gave him 4 month license desqual. $400 fine - because he only hit a motorcyclist!? Cops were as pissed as i was.

[spudchucka]

So then what gave the other civilian words of magical trustworthy power??
Say what????

[KLOWN]

Cops will give you notice if they are pissed at you. Sometimes its just a bad day thing.
Judges on the other hand are a bunch of cocks.
The guy that was charged with hitting me, dangerous driving causing harm - judge only gave him 4 month license desqual. $400 fine - because he only hit a motorcyclist!? Cops were as pissed as i was.

I'd make a complaint about the judge, if its possible?

[avgas]

I'd make a complaint about the judge, if its possible?

Nope it aint, just like dredd said it - "I am the Law!"
apparently its a rather difficult process and not worth the hassle

[NinjaNanna]

I don't lie - ever!!!

And I ALWAYS let the speeder read the speed on the radar - and that's even if I locked-on a speed slower than they were originally doing when I first saw them.:yes: .

What I really don't understand is why don't these "high tech" devices automatically lock the highest speed, from what you are saying it sounds like you have to manually lock the read out.

I would have thought it common sense that these should be designed to "hold" the highest reading (like a simple set of bathroom scales) and then require a reset button to be pressed after the offense has been ticketed?

What's the story Scumdog, seriously not trying to stir shit or anything, I just find it strange.

Cheers

NN

[scumdog]

What I really don't understand is why don't these "high tech" devices automatically lock the highest speed, from what you are saying it sounds like you have to manually lock the read out.

I would have thought it common sense that these should be designed to "hold" the highest reading (like a simple set of bathroom scales) and then require a reset button to be pressed after the offense has been ticketed?

What's the story Scumdog, seriously not trying to stir shit or anything, I just find it strange.

Cheers

NN


Probably 'cos its cheaper to have a manual model??

Seriously, I don't know why not, it sounds pretty damn god idea to me, maybe just because there's no demand?.

[davereid]

The reason is that the radar is doppler shift - it can record all sorts of nonsense if operated badly. The operator is supposed to confirm by looking at the target, and listening to the radar tone that the unit is working correctly and not full of intermodulation products, multiple targets, targets in different directions etc etc before pushing the button. (ie "clear tone")

[Blackflagged]

Cops will give you notice if they are pissed at you. Sometimes its just a bad day thing.
Judges on the other hand are a bunch of cocks.
The guy that was charged with hitting me, dangerous driving causing harm - judge only gave him 4 month license desqual. $400 fine - because he only hit a motorcyclist!? Cops were as pissed as i was.


Same thing a lawyer ran me over(she was charged) ,put me in hospital,(not to bad) fined less than the fine for diving along the open road ,on a sunny day,40k over.Whats with that!

[The Pastor]

Same thing a lawyer ran me over(she was charged) ,put me in hospital,(not to bad) fined less than the fine for diving along the open road ,on a sunny day,40k over.Whats with that!

enjoyment tax mate, its how our judges get payed.

[TL 1000]

What happened with you in this case. did you get let off for this fine? i just got a very similar situation. is it worth trying to get off it?
Just last week ...

$400 for 36km over limit :sick:

Weird little bit of road, its in a 50k zone but has a passing lane, which only then becomes a 70 about 100m up the road.

But the thing is, cop didnt get a lock on his radar so he couldnt show me the alleged speed, but he said " i dont have to", and wrote out ticket anyway.

A letter has been written anyway so will see what happens

that was a roadside issue sorry :|

[tigertim20]

It does seem to me that it is time that NZ law was amended to require visual proof of an alleged excessive speed.

There are too many anecdotal cases where cops are alleged to have "made up" grossly excessive speeds for them all to be urban myth.

I can't see why the radar units could not record a date/time stamp and the speed they clocked at that time and print it out.

In the short term, a simple digital camera focused on the radar unit would work fine.
i see no reason why that couldnt be done, i know for a fact many police vehicles carry cameras in them, having been one the early people on the scene of an incident (not necessarily traffic related) and the cops have grabbed a digital camera out of the car and taken photos straight away for evidence

I don't know what happened to him, whether he blamed the calibration or not using correctly of just lying... its the only time its ever happened to me...

but I do know around the same time a few of my biker friends in the area were getting exesive speeding tickets when they weren't speeding... and there was nothing they could do. It was just my luck that the cop put a speed that my bike was incapable of achieving.

I also remember being pulled over, I wasn't speeding... and I though frack what now... but all the cop wanted to do was look at the bike... that f@#$ed me off more than getting a speeding ticket.

Most cops are honest but I do know of a couple that aren't (including a couple in Alex or at least one) where they catch a speeder and not reset the radar... and use that speed for several vehicles whether they were or not. How can you proove otherwise.

Now as I said above most cops are honest (that be you Tom :yes: ) but there is a few that aren't... there are also a few bikers that should loose there license too, and deserve what they get...

yep, there certainly are a few out there who are just assholes, but hey, there are assholes on bikes too.

my biggest fine was recent, after getting a new bike. he locked on at around half the speed id been doing, and the ticket was $400.

he was actualy a really decent guy, wasnt a wanker about it, was just doing his job, and he was friendly about it

[DEATH_INC.]

What happened with you in this case. did you get let off for this fine? i just got a very similar situation. is it worth trying to get off it?
Probably not, I've been done like this....the cops word was good enough for the judge.
Good luck.

[rastuscat]

In hindsight I should have just pleaded guilty and paid my fine to the rapists oops I mean cops.

Guess what. The cops don't get the fine money. It goes to the gubbermint, not the Police.


Having said that - I still maintain I WAS NOT GUILTY haha.

In NZ you are innocent until proven guilty. So, like it or not, you are guilty.

So there.

[miloking]

Yeah, he doesn't have to show you. It's a nice to do, but not required by law.

And thats why i refuse to stop for you fuckers.... :angry: because half of the tickets written by piggies are just "your bike sounded like your were going fast" so here is your ticket for "insert 3 digit value here" km/h!!!!

[miloking]

But, but, the tickets would cost even more then...

Guess what...iam actualy happy to pay DOUBLE for non made up speed tickets...
If only there was some other way to make cops not a bunch of lying cunts...like make them swear an oath or something...
(or just make sure they dont hire guys with tiny dick syndrome would probably work also...)

[miloking]

So you were innocent then?

Hope the next one doing 61 k over the limit doesn't run over your kid then...

Give it a rest will ya? Most people here actualy dont buy that "speed kills" bull...and 61km is hardly a thing to worry about...so next time you try to guilt trip us with the "what about poor little Timmy running after his ball...." nonsense at least pick someone doing 100+km or something....

[insomnia01]

I had a little play with a busa in Aug got tagged by a cop HAD to pull over as there was no where to run, " do you know how fast you where going ? " :yes::yes:245km+ " Sorry offiicer I could'nt see my speedo cause I was tucked in behind my screen " did'nt help when 2 YES 2 friggin cars one :bye::bye:after another stopped to tell him I was going way, way to fast :facepalm::facepalm: . I started to think i'm walking home which was going to be a little bit difficult seeing as I was 400+ km from home, but he actually was a decent bloke, put the start date for the mandatory 28day loss of license down as the following day which would allow me to get home at least... when the prosecution letter came through the post I wrote a letter stating my side knowing to well that it may not help at all but had to give it go seeing as I pleaded guilty from the start 3 months down the track I received the bad news just last week :crybaby::violin: :crybaby: 50 demerit points & a $880 fine for exceeding the posted speed of 100km by 86km !! all in all it should have been worse as the 186km was with me braking as much as I could but when I seen the cherries come on I thought F :shutup::shutup:K !!! So all though the $$$$ sucks & I now only have a 30points left ( lost 20 2 months earlier ) I'm glad to take the punishment with xmas & summer just around the corner & still being able to ride :yes::yes:

[Jantar]

Guess what. The cops don't get the fine money. It goes to the gubbermint, not the Police.
.....

OK, so where do the cops get their funding from? :confused:

[Toaster]

And thats why i refuse to stop for you fuckers.... :angry: because half of the tickets written by piggies are just "your bike sounded like your were going fast" so here is your ticket for "insert 3 digit value here" km/h!!!!


Firstly, the majority of cops are good honest people.

Secondly, if you speed, you are breaking the law and have no credibility.

Thirdly, I AM NOT A COP. But I appreciate being called a "fucker" none the less - makes me all warm and fuzzy inside...

Take it easy out there fella - the world is not your enemy. We would hate to one day say at your hospital bed, grave or jail cell that "I told you so......."

[Toaster]

OK, so where do the cops get their funding from? :confused:

Road policing is funded from LTNZ and ACC for defined equipment and "outputs". The rest from our esteemed Beehive groupies that like to fly international on us taxpayers with gay abandon.

[scumdog]

Give it a rest will ya? Most people here actualy dont buy that "speed kills" bull...and 61km is hardly a thing to worry about...so next time you try to guilt trip us with the "what about poor little Timmy running after his ball...." nonsense at least pick someone doing 100+km or something....

Hmm, at the risk you AREN'T trolling I suspect the 61km thing was in reference to 61km ABOVE the speed limit.

And if you ain't trolling?

Then I worry that I might be sharing the roads with people of that kind of mental capacity...:blink:

[Jantar]

Road policing is funded from LTNZ and ACC for defined equipment and "outputs". The rest from our esteemed Beehive groupies that like to fly international on us taxpayers with gay abandon.

So lets see if I've got this right.

Police funding comes from LTNZ, which is a goverment department, so that funding comes from the same government that receives traffic fines.

Police funding comes from ACC and depends on defined outputs which is another term for offence notices issued, or fines issued. This ACC rvenue is obtained from the motor vehicle account of which us motorcyclists pay a larger figure per vehicle than other road users.

The rest (of police funding) comes from our esteemed Beehive groupies that like to fly international on us taxpayers with gay abandon. The same government that receives the fines paid to the police.

Yes, I did say "fines paid to the police." Next time you have to pay a traffic fine, just look at who the cheque is made out to.

[red mermaid]

The police budget is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to other departments.

Most Govt money goes to Social Welfare, or whatever they cal themselves these days, and of that money most gets paid out in Govt Super, AKA the old peoples dole.



So lets see if I've got this right.

Police funding comes from LTNZ, which is a goverment department, so that funding comes from the same government that receives traffic fines.

Police funding comes from ACC and depends on defined outputs which is another term for offence notices issued, or fines issued. This ACC rvenue is obtained from the motor vehicle account of which us motorcyclists pay a larger figure per vehicle than other road users.

The rest (of police funding) comes from our esteemed Beehive groupies that like to fly international on us taxpayers with gay abandon. The same government that receives the fines paid to the police.

Yes, I did say "fines paid to the police." Next time you have to pay a traffic fine, just look at who the cheque is made out to.

[scumdog]

So lets see if I've got this right.

Police funding comes from LTNZ, which is a goverment department, so that funding comes from the same government that receives traffic fines.

Police funding comes from ACC and depends on defined outputs which is another term for offence notices issued, or fines issued. This ACC rvenue is obtained from the motor vehicle account of which us motorcyclists pay a larger figure per vehicle than other road users.

The rest (of police funding) comes from our esteemed Beehive groupies that like to fly international on us taxpayers with gay abandon. The same government that receives the fines paid to the police.

Yes, I did say "fines paid to the police." Next time you have to pay a traffic fine, just look at who the cheque is made out to.

And taxes taken from the money the unemployed get pays Police too....

[captain_andrey]

190 demerits in less then 2 years, do I win?