What do people think of an Aprilia RS250???

[2strokegirl]

wow never done one of these things before so if i do it wrong im sorry.

for the past 8 months i have ben cruising around on a virago 250 but have riden dirt bikes since i was 5. i now have decided that i want a sport bike. me being me i started looking at the 2 stroke bikes and then the aprilia caught my eye. so realy what im asking is are these bikes any good??

2strokegirl :innocent:

[onearmedbandit]

Very nice bikes, but they are at the edge as far as performance 250's go. Lots of fun, brilliant handling, exotic looks, excellent acceleration for a 1/4 litre bike. Looked after they are an amazing little machine. Not looked after and they'll cause headaches.

[Maha]

Yeah OAB says it really...and way more bang than what you are riding right now, so if thats the style of bike you are progressing towards then best get onto it sooner rather than later, dont want ya getting to comfortable on the Virago...:shutup:

[McJim]

If you're used to 2 stroke dirt bikes then you'll be used to engines that require stripped and rebuilt every x number of riding hours.

The RS250 is a beautifully made bike with polished aluminium frame. V-Twin 250cc 2T engine that I think puts out around 70hp before it's been fiddled with. Brembo brakes and USD forks. It will easily do 200kph+ and is touted as being as close to a 250GP bike as you can get on the road.

They are often crashed though as some people with no bike experience buy them as their first bike - they go out with the mentality of "what's the fastest bike I can get on my Learner licence?" and then write it off a couple of weeks later.

Lovely piece of machinery - I can't justify getting one (otherwise I would).

[jumma]

I recommend you don't get one cos it will make me jealous

[unhingedlizard]

I used to have an RS125. Amazing bikes. the RS250 is the fastest 250 out there bar none. Its also a potential handgrenade as you will never know how well the previous owner took care of it. It is an amazing riding experience that will make you laugh when people say that their GSXZCBRRRR-RR1 handles really well. It will also absorb money like blotting paper and guzzel $30 a litre High Per two stroke oil like you wouldnt believe. They are also crap round town

Seriously, if you can afford it and believe you have the riding experience for it go for it. Otherwise buy something sensible and save for a decent 600.

Oh and yes the RS was my first bike and yes I crashed it bad...twice.. and rebuilt it after it went pop.

[2strokegirl]

thanks guys this bike sounds like what im looking for. one list thing does any one no how high they are?? im only 16 and a bit of a short ass lol

2strokegirl :innocent:

[Mole_C]

You can afford a RS when you're only 16?

[unhingedlizard]

thanks guys this bike sounds like what im looking for. one list thing does any one no how high they are?? im only 16 and a bit of a short ass lol

2strokegirl :innocent:


Presumably your gonna test ride it before buying it? Its about as small as a current R1. (mmmmmmmm, currents arrrrrrrrrr)

[2strokegirl]

and how big is an r1??

iv seen photos but haven seen one up close so yes i will look at them before buying it lol.

[Squiggles]

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/aprilia/aprilia_rs250%2000.htm

Seat Height: 810 mm

beautiful bikes, but you must understand that it is a very quick and it will be very unforgiving, power to weight-wise
Max Power
72.5 hp 52.9 kW @ 11900 rpm (rear tyre 64.3 hp @ 10400 rpm)
Dry-Weigh 140 kg


what are you going to use the bike for mainly? commuting would just be a killer for this sort've bike, i did it on the rgv, would clog it up and it'd run like shit, touring got pretty painful after more than a couple of hours, the track was where it was perfect.

[McJim]

To an extent you can fiddle with the fuel/oil mix to make a 2T run better over distance but it's best to set it up for max power and fang it round a track!

I'm reading between the lines here - you are gonna fang it aren't you? It'd be an awful shame to get an RS and just tickle it.

Just don't fang it on the open road when I'm around - RS250 is essentially a track bike with lights on.

[marty]

essentially the same engine in the rs as in the rgv....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=45775

[onearmedbandit]

Max Power
72.5 hp 52.9 kW @ 11900 rpm (rear tyre 64.3 hp @ 10400 rpm)


Why the different rpm? Surely the peak horsepower would be the at the same rpm no matter where it was measured.

[Back Fire]

Why the different rpm? Surely the peak horsepower would be the at the same rpm no matter where it was measured.

one could be a factory claimed number and one could be a real world dyno reading? you can never rely on factory claims so many with diff conditions peak power is somewhere else in the revs aswell?

just a thought

[onearmedbandit]

And a very good one at that. Quite obvious now that I think about it...

[Pathos]

I would advise against a 16 year old getting a rs250 unless you have reasonable experience on a sports 250 and a cool head on the road...they're not exactly a gn250 and need a lot of respect

[2strokegirl]

well im not exactly a grandma rider but then again im not a raving lunitic. mainly i will be using this bike to travell. some times around town but mainly traveling. as i said before i grew up on dirt bikes but this will be my first "sport" bike. i believe if i take it slow and get the feel of the bike before ringing it out i should be fine :innocent: ... hopefully.

[Mr. Peanut]

NSR 250 is better.

Cheaper, more reliable and more tuneable. It IS a GP bike with lights, its basically a Honda RS with a detuned engine.
I would at least consider one and save yourself $5000.

Was my second bike, and I was ok (crashed it once).

Hell yeah I'm biased ;)

[mynameis]

They are also crap round town

Hey mate, do you want to share some thoughts and throw some light around why they would be crap around town, you get all sorts of mixed opinion from RS250 owners.

Some say I used to commute on it 50-100 k's per day and it was perfect, then we have people like yourself on the other end. Thanks.

[McJim]

The problem with the question "is it okay for commuting?" depends on what "commuting" is.

For example I commute for 20 minutes filtering through suburban traffic, stop start stop start with about 30 sets of trafic lights then I have 10 minutes of motorway splitting followed by another 10 minutes of traffic lights.

I never get higher than 3rd gear and I don't even get close to 100kph.

HOWEVER

For some people a commute can be smooth open road riding of 50km or more each way at speeds of between 100 and 130kph.

[2strokegirl]

nsr250's are old. sorry to say but i would go on a newer bike for reliability.

i found the perfect rs250 on trademe today. now all i need to do is sell my virago. if any one is interested i want $5500 and the number is (06) 8677880 ask for sam. lol. its a 2006 and done aprox 6700kms.

[Edbear]

I would advise against a 16 year old getting a rs250 unless you have reasonable experience on a sports 250 and a cool head on the road...they're not exactly a gn250 and need a lot of respect



Yup! The RS250 is not for "travel"! They are about the sexiest, fastest, best handling bike under 600cc you can get and in the right hands will absolutely EMBARRASS most other bikes on road or track! They are a track bike though and are a literal pain to commute or tour on!

A KB'r owner pointed out the 18k rebuild intervals under normal conditions and you'll be hard pressed to find a second hand one that hasn't been thrashed or crashed. Aprilia used the Suzuki motor, retuned by Aprilia and mounted in about the best chassis ever made!

I would love to own one!

[Unforgiven]

I would advise against a 16 year old getting a rs250 unless you have reasonable experience on a sports 250 and a cool head on the road...they're not exactly a gn250 and need a lot of respect

No offence 2strokegirl but I would have to agree with Pathos. Riding dirt bikes is not the same as road bikes. It will help moving to a 2 smoker, but not a high performance street bike.

[avgas]

RS250's are fantastic machine, but often a complete waste of time because the rider doesn't know what to do with it.
In terms of the whole you cant ride an RS250 slow....this is bullshit because it its a 2 stroke unless you get reckless it wont do shit. So it you want to commute on it you just keep it below the top 1/3 of rev's.
2 stroke is not linear power.
But yeah how the hell can a 16yo afford an RS? let alone the 8-12k/L petrol cost

[2strokegirl]

ok ok imagine those stuck up little blond snobby highschool girls who get everything they want... now switch the stuck up blond part with everything compleatly opposite... and u get me.

[marty]

so you're a fat brunette snobby highschool girl who gets everything she wants?

[avgas]

ok ok imagine those stuck up little blond snobby highschool girls who get everything they want... now switch the stuck up blond part with everything compleatly opposite... and u get me.
So your a homeless person who looks and acts like Jesus?

[Mole_C]

Get daddy to buy you a sportsbike which is fast but not an RS. Learn to ride a sports bike properly before you go destroy such a beautiful machine.

[2strokegirl]

no no no thats not right lol. im not stuck up i no how to ride a "beautiful" machine im just not like most other girls

[2strokegirl]

p.s


im not fat!!! lol

[Mr. Peanut]

Just big boned.... :mellow:

*poke!* :shifty:

[Mole_C]

OK then just don't crash it. I want one someday and the're already hard enough to find in good condition.

[Deano]

p.s


im not fat!!! lol

Where's the photographic evidence ?

Oh, and take your time learning the wee beastie. They are great fun but they can certainly bite you.

[Mokoro]

ok ok imagine those stuck up little blond snobby highschool girls who get everything they want... now switch the stuck up blond part with everything compleatly opposite... and u get me.

you didnt answer the question...... so you're a brunette highschool girl who gets everything she wants?

P.s good luck with the future bike purchase

[2strokegirl]

you didnt answer the question...... so you're a brunette highschool girl who gets everything she wants?

P.s good luck with the future bike purchase

these smileys sum me up :Punk: :innocent: black hair highschool girl most of the time i get what i want... not fat dont think im jesus ummm. anything i misd??

i would put a photo up but i dont no how.

[Unforgiven]

Wheres the rush? At your age you have years of riding to move onto faster bikes. Keep the XV for now and learn how to ride it to its limit, then move to something faster. You will most likley find that you will be a better rider in the end.
And personally I prefer the challenge of putting a 'slower' machine through its paces, its much more satisfying at the end of the day.

[Mr. Peanut]

I want a motard :)

Can't damage it, and jumps over speed bumps aint good for the NSR! :innocent:

[desmo dave]

well im not exactly a grandma rider but then again im not a raving lunitic. mainly i will be using this bike to travell. some times around town but mainly traveling. as i said before i grew up on dirt bikes but this will be my first "sport" bike. i believe if i take it slow and get the feel of the bike before ringing it out i should be fine :innocent: ... hopefully.

heaps for sale at auction in japan.been talking with a guy over there who has a contact that can bring bikes back to nz in the back of a van.alot easyer and cheaper than having to buy a container load. i would love to try an RS throughs the bluffs where i live.my only addvice would be to wear top saftey gear. good luck and have fun.:rockon:

[2strokegirl]

Wheres the rush? At your age you have years of riding to move onto faster bikes. Keep the XV for now and learn how to ride it to its limit, then move to something faster. You will most likley find that you will be a better rider in the end.
And personally I prefer the challenge of putting a 'slower' machine through its paces, its much more satisfying at the end of the day.

first of all i can already ride the xv to its limits as i said to my dad i no every sound that bike makes and at what speed it should be making those sounds i no exactly how to throw it in to corners and even how to ride it backwards and pull the fingers to the cars behind me. almost every corner i go around the pegs scrape. my problem with it is that it is to slow:scooter: . and i dont want to go around a corner and hit a bump or anything and get flicked off. that is my main reason as to why i want a sport bike.

[aff-man]

hmmm ok might as well add my 2c worth.

We did up and sold a 2000 rs250 and during the course of the fixing I got to ride it a for a week or so and gave it some serious blattage. And here are my thoughts...

It has some serious go, but it all happens around the 8k rev mark and so you have about 4000 revs to play with. When the power kicks in it does it very fast so you really gotta watch the highside action.
If you are going to do some serious riding on it first thing to buy is a steering damper. These things are sooo light (plastic tank and all) that when chasing some of the guys over the hanua's there were some major tank slapper moments..

In saying that though they handel beauuuutifully just sit in and go round the corners (put some decent rubber on though). There is no engine braking (freaked me out the first time) so you can go into corners really fast and be really late on the brakes, which by the way are the most fantastic brakes I've ridden with. This also means that there is far more control going into corners because all the stopping power is controlled through your brakes. (they do mint stoppies to).

So all in all although I love the power of the bigger bikes that little rs was one of the most exciting bikes i've ridden.

[Unforgiven]

first of all i can already ride the xv to its limits as i said to my dad i no every sound that bike makes and at what speed it should be making those sounds i no exactly how to throw it in to corners and even how to ride it backwards and pull the fingers to the cars behind me. almost every corner i go around the pegs scrape. my problem with it is that it is to slow:scooter: . and i dont want to go around a corner and hit a bump or anything and get flicked off. that is my main reason as to why i want a sport bike.

You must be pretty good then, Ive had the same cage for 3 years, done over 45,000Kms in it and I dont know every sound it makes or what speeds it should make them at or exactly how to throw it round corners. And yet I do know that if you are taking it past 200km/h for long periods of time on the track, while running standard bearings and standard weight oil in the gearbox, you WILL destroy it.....

Im not trying to be mean and nasty, Im saying dont over rate yourself, I already know too many people killed that way.

[2strokegirl]

im not trying to overrate myself as i no becoming to cockey can cause some serious damage but i no that i can ride the xv.

[aff-man]

im not trying to overrate myself as i no becoming to cockey can cause some serious damage but i no that i can ride the xv.

the xv and the rs are two totally different bikes. it'll be like comparing the xv to a tricycle

I ride at a ummmm decent pace on the 600 and faster still on the 750 I have now:mellow: , but the rs is a scarey bike to ride if you are starting to give it some. It'll keep up with the bigger boys in the corners but don't underestimate the bike or overestimate yourself.

Once you get the hang of it though people won't believe you're keeping up to them on a 250 :yes: :scooter:

[warren35]

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[2strokegirl]

lol tricycle. but yea i would agree on that. as soon as my bike is sold i will take one for a test ride. now my mum is trying to talk me into a gpx should i shoot myself now or later lol. 38 horses wow!!!! if you cant tel then yes i am being sarcastic.:woohoo:

[aff-man]

lol tricycle. but yea i would agree on that. as soon as my bike is sold i will take one for a test ride. now my mum is trying to talk me into a gpx should i shoot myself now or later lol. 38 horses wow!!!! if you cant tel then yes i am being sarcastic.:woohoo:

The aprillia has double that. just to give you some idea a comparison between the latest sv650 and an 02 rs250. The sv has the torque but they have the same hp with the rs being about 30 kg lighter.http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/2434/5732/

If ya are going to test ride one remember you have to keep the revs up if you ride around at under about 5 or 6000 revs you will clog it up, brakes are (well should be) incrediably potent so don't grab a handfull, 2 finger braking is all that's required, and be aware of the power band at 8000 revs. Other than if it has good rubber it should be a blast to ride...

[jade]

Ok Ok. Let me add my 2cents.
I have a 2000 rs250, this is my 2nd rs250 (got knocked off the first one and bought another with insurance.
Im 21years old, I first had an nsr which was probably not the best idea for a first bike because they are faster than most things on the road bar bigger bikes. I had a few spills and eventually decided I wanted an rs250.
Got a 95, what a fantastic bike, was faster than my mates mc21 repsol replica nsr and was 10 times more reliable.
Yes 2 strokes are temepremental, however the rs's are newer than any other 2 strokes and are a shit load more reliable. Both bikes start 1st kick EVERYTIME NO QUESTIONS.
Im talking 6am in the middle of winter also.
Both bikes I warm up before taking anywhere, something the engine loves me for I believe. beautiful thing is they have digital gauges, start them up and the screen flashes cold until they hit 30 (on earlier models) or 35 on later models, once they hit this I ride them for bout 4-5mins till I will take it through the power band to redline.
Yes the bike has decent power, I can get up on the back wheel in 1st without clutch - just a small tug on the bars at the right rpm.
With clutch, I can get her up on the back in 1st at 60k, flick her into 2nd and fuck off over motorway speeds...
Also in the wet on the motorway I have got the rear spinning at 140 from 8thou all the way to redline.
Brakes. What superb fucking brakes. Best Ive ever come across including some of the 06 bigger bikes Ive tried, Ive never used more than 2 fingers, that includes on the track coming down from 200+.
They are the same brakes as ducati 916's but the bikes lighter obviously.
Suspension - Sachs back and Showa front, all good, the later models are fully adjustable, the earlier models - the front forks have one fork that adjusts preload and the other rebound. strange. so yes, the later model ones are better.
By the way, the later models ARE faster than the older ones, but the older ones are fast by anyones standards.
Top end rebuilds. Yes you have to do them every 18k or so.
Im up to 25k with no rebuild yet and no loss of power or reliability.
I am doing my top end rebuild next weekend though and its not as expensive as you think.
I bought suzuki parts, this includes 2X of pistons, bearings, washers, circlips, piston rings, gudgeon pins head gaskets and base gaskets.
Not as expensive as people make out. 642 bucks for genuine brand new parts all up.
Dont listen to people who tell you that commuting on a 2stroke will clog up the plugs etc, they dont know shit.
I do most of my riding in 50k zones . and I do ALOT of riding eg - 50-70km in 50k zones a day. Never had a problem with them fowling up or anything, in fact never had a problem period.
Motorway tho, I almost always hit 200+k (its just me).
yes I deal with auckland traffic as well and Im a lane splitter, - 30 - 50 k lanesplitting. No trouble with clogging up.
Yes the power delivery is not for newbies, but you sound fairly experienced, and I dont think in gisbourne the roads are quite as busy as aucklands.
In conclusion, the bike is sweet as for commuting, Riding from one side of town to the other, going to the track, or open road riding from city to city.
I cant fault it really, I love my bike and it doesnt give me problems like my nsr did.
All I can say is take it easy until you know it, it does have the potential to get you into trouble.
You say you know your bike and the sounds etc, well then I think a 2 stroke will be good for you, 2 strokes DO require maintenence and a loving owner, I know every inch of my bike and the love it requires, give it to it and you wont have any problems, I thoroughly recommend this bike for all types of riding provided you have a head on your shoulders that is capable of giving your wrist some self control, im an ok rider - (knee down on road and track) and this bike still has much more to give on the track than I do.
Hope this helps, by the way peanut, id put money on it my bike outpaces yours.. im not trying to dig at you, ive just seen it,
ive ridden 18's 21's and a 28.

[jade]

A couple of pics of my aprilia's.
They are in the wrong order.
Little bastard was my 95 - loved that bike till I got written off
the black one is my 2000 (current bike)
Note that I crashed it 4 days after I got - I repainted the whole thing myself and got all the stickers made.
On both bikes I made the fairing around the seat out of carbon - clearcoated
It should also be noted that both these bikes have been my only form of transport for the last 2 years, and that reliability is important to me.
By the way - Work is 1km from my house, I warm her up for 7-8mins in the morning then travel for 3-4 @! No clogging.

[KLOWN]

A couple of pics of my aprilia's.
They are in the wrong order.
Little bastard was my 95 - loved that bike till I got written off
the black one is my 2000 (current bike)
Note that I crashed it 4 days after I got - I repainted the whole thing myself and got all the stickers made.
On both bikes I made the fairing around the seat out of carbon - clearcoated
It should also be noted that both these bikes have been my only form of transport for the last 2 years, and that reliability is important to me.
By the way - Work is 1km from my house, I warm her up for 7-8mins in the morning then travel for 3-4 @! No clogging.


how many crashes have you had? as I recall in your threads its been a few and you had experiance on an nsr first and your 21. I know at 16 if I had a fast bike I would have killed myself. Try a cbr, zxr, nsr before going to an aprillia its very very fast.

[MidnightMike]

Dont get one, leave the 2 strokes alone and get an inline four 250, youll have just as much fun on one of those and have more of a chance to see 17.

[FilthyLuka]

and how big is an r1??

iv seen photos but haven seen one up close so yes i will look at them before buying it lol.

Im 16 too, and 5'10, ive ridden an rs250 and to tell you the truth, it felt kinda cramped... arse up, hands down and hang on. A cbr900 fits me nicely though :love:. It was a mental ride, but i liked the bike alot... although i learnt real quick why the guy who owned it said short shift first gear :shutup:

If you have the cash, go for it. But buy the best possible gear you can... because that way your always to shit scared to fuck up your new gear to crash :Punk:

[FilthyLuka]

Dont get one, leave the 2 strokes alone and get an inline four 250, youll have just as much fun on one of those and have more of a chance to see 17.

Okay, we aint talking about a nsr500 here dude. It only goes as fast as you open the throttle... (which in this case isnt that much but that isnt the point!)

[2strokegirl]

Dont get one, leave the 2 strokes alone and get an inline four 250, youll have just as much fun on one of those and have more of a chance to see 17.


lol il be 17 in just over a month or so. im not a spastic rider i have never fallen off on the road. i think iv gone off the aprilia now aye. having to rebuild them etc etc. i just want a bike i can ride and ride some more and not have to wory about it.

so now i shall pose this question... gsr600f k6:love: ??? what do yall think of those??

all i no about them is that their a suzuki 600cc umm good for touring aparently. thats about it.

[jade]

I knew that these cunts would put you off,
correct me if Im wrong but i think the 600f, is a detuned gsxr engine
would be a strong solid reliable bike, sporty enough for you though ?
Yes Klown I have crashed in the past, a good point - im a different rider these days

[jade]

cool profile pics aff man, and bike ! I hope to upgrade to a k6 750 from my current bike, but like I say, the rs has more to give at the mo than I do

[Jantar]

so now i shall pose this question... gsr600f k6:love: ??? what do yall think of those??

A very good choice as an upgrade from your present bike. Its not a full on sports bike, but it can be used as a sports bike or as a tourer. You certainly won't be left behind by any of the other bikes, and it will be reliable and economical.

[MidnightMike]

so now i shall pose this question... gsr600f k6:love: ??? what do yall think of those??

Thats more like it :dodge:

[aff-man]

cool profile pics aff man, and bike ! I hope to upgrade to a k6 750 from my current bike, but like I say, the rs has more to give at the mo than I do

Cheers boss. I considered selling the gsxr600 for the rs cause they are a fecking quick little bike. I'd love a k6 750, thier power curve is soo smooth and they are deceptivley very quick. The 2000 model I got at the mo is not as smooth but with the tickle up bits is aggresivly fast.

2sg if you want something that'll run forever look at a zxr250 or a cbr250. I took my zxr250 round the clock and she was still going hard. They will be slower than the rs but the zxr's handeling is probably just as good and they have a much more managable power curve.

p.s. why don't ya buy my 750? It'll be on the market fairly soon. if you want something quick........

[2strokegirl]

how much you wanting how many kms what year etc etc?.

[KLOWN]

I knew that these cunts would put you off,
correct me if Im wrong but i think the 600f, is a detuned gsxr engine
would be a strong solid reliable bike, sporty enough for you though ?
Yes Klown I have crashed in the past, a good point - im a different rider these days

not hasslen ya, I'm sure you've learnt by your mistakes. I haven't read any "I've crashed" threads since your last one. I just KNOW at 16 if i had an rs aprilla I would not be 25 now.

2sg
i have heard the 600f is a great bike, reliable, quick good for touring and 2 up. still a 600 though and its a 400 dollar fine for riding outside your license conditions (I assume you have your learners). Not that i'm one to talk.

[desmo dave]

lol il be 17 in just over a month or so. im not a spastic rider i have never fallen off on the road. i think iv gone off the aprilia now aye. having to rebuild them etc etc. i just want a bike i can ride and ride some more and not have to wory about it.

so now i shall pose this question... gsr600f k6:love: ??? what do yall think of those??

all i no about them is that their a suzuki 600cc umm good for touring aparently. thats about it.
Allways changing ya mind.:yes:

[limbimtimwim]

so now i shall pose this question... gsr600f k6:love: ??? what do yall think of those??
Bleh, no.

Horribly uncomfortable, but good value: The Honda CBR600RR

[FilthyLuka]

The Honda CBR600RR

It says honda on it :Pokey:

You could always get a second hand gsxr750 :whistle: ... itll be cheaper than a rs250

[aff-man]

how much you wanting how many kms what year etc etc?.

2000 model, 56000ish odd km. Scrapes on both sides (minimal) from previous owner. Has full grieves system with a raised micron oval can ans a power commander. Only problem is that on rare occasions (maybe once a day if that) the clutch shudders when taking off... Looking to get about $7500 as is. If it gets closer to $8000 i'll put a full barnette clutch in (plates fibres and springs) .



Might be a bit of a jump from something like the xt to something that puts out over 140hp....

[2strokegirl]

ill see what the olds say as they are the ones paying for it. i am still on a learners and the thing is convincing them to let me get a 750. they are even reluctant to let me get a 4cylinder 250!!! lol.

one more question to you all as i am totally confused about bikes now... what about an er5?? kawasaki inline 2 500cc naked. thats about all i know.


i am realy sorry for all the questions lol.:innocent:

[limbimtimwim]

On your learners aye... Hmm... No 600's or 750's for you.

What about a Honda RVF400? It's still illegal, but only by 150cc.

But I'm totally biased, and mine is not for sale. VFR400's are cheaper and just about as good, just not as good looking.

http://www.apathy.net.nz/si-2006/

[FilthyLuka]

well, look at it this way. Your not going to keep the 250 for ever, youll get bored, and youll upgrade in a years time ANYWAY. so, whydont you keep the virago, (which is a solid bullet proof bike) keep it legal for the least amount of dollars, and save up and buy something really sexy. Nothing saying you cant have both a 250 and a 600 on your restricted, and occasionally fang the 600 when no ones watching :shifty: hehe. Its what id do. Hence why i own a gn250, and not a VTR250, i can well afford the latter, but the cash is going into a CBR900 instead, keep the 250 cheap, working and comfortable and put moneys into a bigger bike.

[Jantar]

Still on your learners? I thought you must have been on your restricted and about to go for your full. In that case there is no way you are ready for an RS250 or a gsr600. Stay with your Yamaha, or if you really want something a bit more challenging then try a CBR250R.

But really, there is no way you are ready for a high performance bike.

[Edbear]

. i am still on a learners :



Listen to this! Get a 250 until you are legally allowed a bigger bike!

PLenty of modern 250's will go as fast as you want these days and you won't need to worry about the consequences of getting caught!

[aff-man]

on a learners..... Shit.

For insurance sake get a zxr250 or a cbr250. They are still very very good little bikes and will give the bigger ones a run for thier money in the twisies... believe me.

[2strokegirl]

see now the problem is im pushing the virago to far and if i keep it i know i will fall off it iv only had it 6-8months but already it scrapes around almost every corner and like i said in a prevous thingy i dont wana hit a bump and get flicked off. plus i have wierd hips and they get realy sore when i ride it so i want to get a sport bike. the cbr nd zxr vfr etc etc are all old and as i am not alowd an old bike they are out of the question. most of the new 250cc dont have fairings or bucket seats and as i compleatly and utterly hate sport bikes with no fairings or bucket seats they are out of the question aswell thats why i like the aprilia so much.. however i will stretch having no fairings or bucket seat if i can get a "big bike". and thats why im having so much trouble finding my perfect bike because it has to be my perfect bike i wont settel for anything less. lol im female im alowd to be fussy!:innocent:

[aff-man]

see now the problem is im pushing the virago to far and if i keep it i know i will fall off it iv only had it 6-8months but already it scrapes around almost every corner and like i said in a prevous thingy i dont wana hit a bump and get flicked off. plus i have wierd hips and they get realy sore when i ride it so i want to get a sport bike. the cbr nd zxr vfr etc etc are all old and as i am not alowd an old bike they are out of the question. most of the new 250cc dont have fairings or bucket seats and as i compleatly and utterly hate sport bikes with no fairings or bucket seats they are out of the question aswell thats why i like the aprilia so much.. however i will stretch having no fairings or bucket seat if i can get a "big bike". and thats why im having so much trouble finding my perfect bike because it has to be my perfect bike i wont settel for anything less. lol im female im alowd to be fussy!:innocent:

Why you not allowed an old bike? Built as tough as brick houses some of them. If you're looking for something new it's going have to be a hyasuck or a gpx if you're staying with 250's. and as for 400's well most of them stopped getting made in the mid 90's so that puts ya out of luck. I know people who have "scraped thier pegs" on zxr250s that are not that quick on the road and people who have like gsx1400's (low pegs) who scrape them but rearly but are fecking fast. Suspension set up and riding style play a lot when it comes to thing like that. See photo one and photo 2 same riding style slightly different bike and one has pegs a lot lower than the other.

Yes you're allowed to be fussy and you don't have to apologise for asking questions. I personally think that learning to ride a smaller bike fast makes you a much better riding when you get a big bike. Plus it's really funny when guys on 600's can't keep up with you on a 250.

[Ixion]

A wee hint for those considering ignoring the irksome restrictions of the GDLS

Check this article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10429743)

In particular the bits that say



Transport officials are looking at ways of dealing with the large number of drivers who breach the conditions of learner and restricted licences.
...Mr Duynhoven said fines for such offences were not working because a young driver's parents often paid, or a group of youngsters in a car would split the bill between them.
"If we have a system where the consequences of breaking the law are seen as minimal or non-existent, and where there is no effective sanction, we can have the best systems in the world but people aren't going to comply with it," he said.




No point having a fast bike if it's locked up in the police pound



(Not saying I personally agree with all the restrictions. But theya re the law, and the buzz is that TPTB are going to crack down heavily on breaches of them. Blame the boi-racers)

[limbimtimwim]

the cbr nd zxr vfr etc etc are all old and as i am not alowd an old bike they are out of the question.Not allowed old? That's odd.

Honda Hornet 250? There are some not so old ones around. MUCH faster than your Virago. And it's a 250. You'd have trouble scraping the pegs on that.

[KLOWN]

define old. You can still get cbr/zxr in 96 (i'm pretty sure)
As has been said though you could always get a hyosung gtr250 thats a fully faired bike. The people who have them rate them but they still ain't as fast as a cbr/zxr/fzr

[FilthyLuka]

see now the problem is im pushing the virago to far and if i keep it i know i will fall off it iv only had it 6-8months but already it scrapes around almost every corner and like i said in a prevous thingy i dont wana hit a bump and get flicked off. plus i have wierd hips and they get realy sore when i ride it so i want to get a sport bike.

what? a sports bike isnt going to be more comfortable than a virago... i mean, the rs is like sitting on a brick with weights on your wrists. The CBR/ZXR arent as bad but still arse up hands down riding position (yes im still talkin about bikes ;) )

"im pushing the virago to far and if i keep it i know i will fall off it"

What you will end up doing is pushing an RS half as hard and falling off. Its a whole lot easier to (occasionally) push a 250 single/twin naked/cruiser hard than to ride a screamer 250 softly, atleast thats my oppinion.

As for "old" bikes, some are alot more solid than new ones. Example: reliability of a CBR250RR compared to a GTR250 (from what i've read anyway)

Just my two (and a bit) cents

Denis

[2strokegirl]

old as in 2005 and past years. 2006 are ok. hyosungs are crap they bearly do 130 i no this as i took 1 for a ride.

the siting position is different on a sport bike. instead of having my legs shoved foward and puting pressure on my hips as a cruiser does a sport bike just lets them fold up. for me i find sport bikes more comfortable for some reason.

[limbimtimwim]

old as in 2005 and past years. 2006 are ok. hyosungs are crap they bearly do 130 i no this as i took 1 for a ride.Then there is nothing for you. All the good 250 bikes are gone...

You know falling off at 130 hurts.. right? But yeah, totally agree hyobag 250 is rubbish. My old VTR250 was much better. That's a good 250 by the way, but no 'sports' bike

I honestly think that very few people could go from a 250 cruiser thingy to a 600+ sports bike and come to grips with it in a reasonable amount of time. You would eventually. Why not an older 250/400 sports bike? What's wrong with them?

[aff-man]

old as in 2005 and past years. 2006 are ok. hyosungs are crap they bearly do 130 i no this as i took 1 for a ride.

the siting position is different on a sport bike. instead of having my legs shoved foward and puting pressure on my hips as a cruiser does a sport bike just lets them fold up. for me i find sport bikes more comfortable for some reason.

you still havn't answered why you don't want an older 250. p.s. I think they stopped making rs250's in like 2003 so it seems you're shit out of luck..

I still say take a zxr/cbr250 for a blat before you go and make any decisions.

[Ixion]

see now the problem is im pushing the virago to far and if i keep it i know i will fall off it iv only had it 6-8months but already it scrapes around almost every corner and like i said in a prevous thingy i dont wana hit a bump and get flicked off.

With respect, if you don't yet know how to not get flicked off when you hit a bump cranked over, then the last thing you should be thinking of is a 250 two smoker. Because you most certainly WILL get flicked off.

[2strokegirl]

i know how to corner with it scraping all im saying is i dont want to hit like a divot or anything while scraping and get ficked off.

im not into older bikes because you dont know how the prevous owner has kept them. as in theyv probly been thrashed tank slaped droped etc etc. wheres if i get a new one i know everything wil be fine with it.

i took a gpx250 for a ride today. i was fairly suprised at the speed i got out of it it being 38hp and an inline 2. i dont like the sound but it can be changed aparently. i also think maby it will go faster when its all run in and not straight out of the box. at 10,000rpm i got 150kms out of it. is that very good??

[limbimtimwim]

im not into older bikes because you dont know how the prevous owner has kept them. as in theyv probly been thrashed tank slaped droped etc etc. wheres if i get a new one i know everything wil be fine with it.I've had more problems (Albeit incredibly minor) with my 6 month old bike than I have had with my 13 year old one, in a similar time period and KMs traveled. Not new means all the bugs have been worked out. The GPX is one hell of an old design, but you can't knock it really because of the amount you see still on the road still working. So something must be right with them. Also try the Honda VTR250, but that is probably slower than a GPX. And the engine design is about as old. A VTR250 can be made to sound incredibly fruity too...

[xwhatsit]

Cor blimey, you're not going to last very long, are you?

No need to try and impress us. They're posting with your survival in mind, not trying to run you down for the fun of it.

Perhaps you should wait until you're slightly more aware of your mortality and vulnerability.

[aff-man]

i know how to corner with it scraping all im saying is i dont want to hit like a divot or anything while scraping and get ficked off.

im not into older bikes because you dont know how the prevous owner has kept them. as in theyv probly been thrashed tank slaped droped etc etc. wheres if i get a new one i know everything wil be fine with it.

i took a gpx250 for a ride today. i was fairly suprised at the speed i got out of it it being 38hp and an inline 2. i dont like the sound but it can be changed aparently. i also think maby it will go faster when its all run in and not straight out of the box. at 10,000rpm i got 150kms out of it. is that very good??

first of all we have one for sale.... Secondly you shouldn't be revving it that high if it's straight out of the box... Thirdly older bikes are far more sturdy than the newer ones especially the newer jap ones. Fourthly don't know what people have been telling ya but bikes like to be ridden hard and tank slappers don't do any damage. All older bikes have been dropped doesn't mean they are bad bikes. And believe me when I say doesn't matter what year it is there is always the chance your bike will have problems. If you get an older bike and get it checked out before hand then you should have no problems. Plus all bike shops give 3 month mechanical warrenties so if something should happen it is covered.

[Jantar]

Cor blimey, you're not going to last very long, are you?

No need to try and impress us. They're posting with your survival in mind, not trying to run you down for the fun of it.

Perhaps you should wait until you're slightly more aware of your mortality and vulnerability.
I think we are too late for that. This sixteen year old young lady is already an expert rider who knows how to ride fast and corner hard. I just hope that she's got time to teach me how to ride when I pass through her area late next month. :no: :no:

[2strokegirl]

im not an expert. but i have ben riding sinc i was 5.

hmmm u no what after riding the gpx i think i might stick with one of those. it does what i need it to do and the guy in the shop said they will take the baffels out of the exaust to make it sound a little better plus they are going to chuck in a helmet. anyone that noes me noes i need a new helmet... my zeus helmet is to big and i have to wear my rag bag to make it fit.


oh yeah by the way my bikey friends and i are planing a trip on the 13th 14th and 15th of april. from giz to tauranga to napia to giz again.

[twinkle]

I wish I still had my gpx, it was almost perfect for me :first:

[aff-man]

im not an expert. but i have ben riding sinc i was 5.

hmmm u no what after riding the gpx i think i might stick with one of those. it does what i need it to do and the guy in the shop said they will take the baffels out of the exaust to make it sound a little better plus they are going to chuck in a helmet. anyone that noes me noes i need a new helmet... my zeus helmet is to big and i have to wear my rag bag to make it fit.


oh yeah by the way my bikey friends and i are planing a trip on the 13th 14th and 15th of april. from giz to tauranga to napia to giz again.

How much they want for the gpx... We're putting one together an 07 with 98km on the clock. Guy dropped it so just a bit of damage which we are fixing up.

[zeocen]

I've had my '90 gpx at 155 at 10'ish rpm but that was for a very breif moment, I wouldn't comfortably ride a gpx over 140 in my honest opinion.

Still a great bike though, I have tonnnns of fun on mine, it has some good accelleration and you certainly don't need the top speed of a 2stroke to have some serious fun!

[FilthyLuka]

i
im not into older bikes because you dont know how the prevous owner has kept them. as in theyv probly been thrashed tank slaped droped etc etc.

if its an RS 250, i can almost guarantee all the above has happened to it... atleast twice...

[Zealot]

Heh, wouldn't surprise me.

Question to people with either RS250s or similar - are they THAT hard to ride on as a first bike? I've been on a 50cc suzuki two stroke before, and briefly been on a 250cc 4 stroke (both semi-legally... ;)), but obviously a 250cc sports bike is significantly more powerful than a 50cc thing.

I don't care about the maintenance, I drive a 205 gti - rebuilding an Mi16 engine for it currently (anyone who knows much about pugs knows how awesome they are), and I'm used to using top notch bits, and used to having to look after the beast. I don't believe in doing things by halves. Do it once, do it right.

Cost is fine too, I don't want a boring cheap bike. I'm used to a fairly tail happy twitchy fwd car that goes around corners better than most jap "performance" cars (I use the word lightly). 205s just ASK for a bit of a fanging.


I will however have to ride a bike daily - I'm a mechatronics engineering student at auckland uni, and will at some point require a bike to travel between the city and tamaki campuses (compsci conjoint), so it's 50k zone commuting. Driving a car is not an option due to parking costs, and bus fares will cost me as much as parking almost.


Would an RS250 be so incredibly bad for such a use as a first bike? I don't drive vehicles like I stole them when around town, but enjoy having enough power to have some fun.


Basically I dislike owning anything common and I'm a sucker for punishment.

[aff-man]

they need to be ridden harder... they have a much smaller effective power range.. i.e. above 8. If you ride them below like 6000rpm they tend to clog a bit... They are weapons and not as stable as inline fours. But then that's just my opinion.

[Zealot]

Mmm, everything I've read about them on KB says "not for beginners". Surely if well looked after (fine here) and not driven stupidly, they'd be fine? I mean, if they're than uncontrollable, how do the 1L+ riders manage ;)

[marty]

i wish there was a bookie running odds on some of the bulletproof idiots on here....

[Ixion]

A litre bike is probably easier to ride than a high tuned 250 two smoker. It's not the power, its the delivery. This is one of those things where if you have to ask the question you've answered the question.

But by all means go ahead. You'll either prove to be a highly controlled very mature natural rider. or the gene pool gets cleaned a bit more.

Gene-O-Klene ®. Evolution you can see.

[limbimtimwim]

Mmm, everything I've read about them on KB says "not for beginners". Surely if well looked after (fine here) and not driven stupidly, they'd be fine? I mean, if they're than uncontrollable, how do the 1L+ riders manage ;)You have to rev the engines otherwise the 'plugs will foul. And you have to warm them up delicately.

By all means buy one, just try something else as well.

A modern big 4cylinder bike will amble at low revs happily. It's the smaller 4 cylinder ones that require more work. It's the riding position that seems to give people grief on a sports bike more than the engine.

[Zealot]

Riding nicely != keeping it at low revs. I was meaning I'm not going to hoon around suburban streets at 100k+. Mm, I know the theory behind 2 strokes, but yea, only ever really dealt with 4 stroke car engines.


Also, why must you assume I'm a maniac who will hop and a bike, thrash the living daylights out of it, and kill myself against a tree. Keep betting buddy, ain't gonna happen here. And I know I'm anything but bulletproof.

[2strokegirl]

7 grand straight out of the box '07' model.

and to that guy that replyed after affman i think the 90 model is compleatly diffrent for starts its a v twin if i recall corectly... the 07 is an inline 2. plus when you think about it its 17 years old i wouldnt want to push a bike 17years old over 130. but i can see what you like about them.

are any of you going to the agm for in gizzy this weekend?? it would be kwl to meet some of you lol. PLUS... you can see that im not fat lol.

[Ixion]

..hoon around suburban streets at 100k+. ....

.. hop and a bike, thrash the living daylights out of it, ..

Ain't no other way to ride a tuned twosmoker. If you're NOT going to wring the neck off the thing it'll crap out in no time flat.

[aff-man]

Ain't no other way to ride a tuned twosmoker. If you're NOT going to wring the neck off the thing it'll crap out in no time flat.

this man is right.... my 600 was fun to ride.. The rs250 was exiting in the scarey on the edge adrenaline pumping kinda way....

[FilthyLuka]

i wish there was a bookie running odds on some of the bulletproof idiots on here....

OH yeah! (ten characters)

[Zealot]

@ 2strokegirl:
Why do you think that a 17 year old bike should be dangerous at 100k+? Admitedly I don't actually own a bike yet (hence investigating options), but if they're half as well made as most cars (build quality) then it shouldn't be an issue. I've found many 80s cars to be better made than mid 90s cars.

affman/Ixion:
Heh, I'll take your advice. Sounds like an excuse to have some fun.
Thing is I don't really want to learn on someone else's bike. If I drop it through stupidity, it's my fault. I've got friends who have offered me their GN250s however, so it might pay to get used to that first. I don't want to get one though, they're just plain boring - wasn't that impressed with them after doing circles around the block on one.

[jade]

Ixion, thats just not true. Ive had the same plugs in my bike for 6 months now, havent taken them out and havent fowled one. You do not have to ring it out everywhere, though its a shitload of fun. Like I say, most of my riding is in 50k zones which I normally ride in 3rd at 4-6 thou, can ride at those revs all day no sweat.
You can ride the same speed in 2nd at 7-8thou and be ready to out accelerate anything as well
(2nd rings out at 100k.)
Zealot if you have a sensible head on your shoulders and have driven 'quick cars' you should be fine, specially if your ok with a set of spanners

2strkgirl, I think the rs250 would suit you, its legal (being 250cc) which means you could get insurance for it (keeping your parents happy seeing as its their money) Plus its something that you will not be riding at its limit for a long time, like I say I go knee down alot (road and track) and I have NEVER scraped the pegs, the bike still has more to give than I do, I think Im probably at 60% of its potential on the track, 70 if im lucky,
On the road tho, I generally have it sussed.
Fuck I do alot of wheelies.
They are not dangerous, they have the potential to be. Ride it with some sense they are fine,
I honestly think you will learn a shitload more on a 2stroke than on anything else, you have to have your revs right for every corner or you will be down on power for accelerating out properly, on a 2 stroke you have alot more gear changes which I feel makes you learn alot more rather than being on a 4 stroke putting it in 3rd and riding the torque.

Dont listen to these people who tell you you will fowl plugs and the engines are a ticking timebomb, it just isnt true.
Yes on my older strokers ive fowled plugs, on both my rs250's which I ride EVERYDAY EVERYWHERE ive never had an issue with plugs or the engine.
Besides, if something does go wrong 2strokes are the most simple engines there are ! there is fuck all too them and they are easy as fuck to work on

P.s. I dont believe you arent fat... Put a profile pic up :)

[KLOWN]

zealot, the rs250 is not a good thing for learners because it has more power than a 400cc with less weight then a 250 4stroke. When the power band kicks in it can lift the front wheel just on acceleration if you accidently hit the powerband entering a corner and your tyres aren't warm yet or its slightly damp etc you'll spin the rear wheel and crash. Just an example of what things can go wrong, its a bike for people who know what they are doing. a gn250 is a joke compared to a fast inline 4stroke such as a cbr/zxr/fzr they will do 200kph, or near enough. Don't judge other bikes on a gn250, which is a fine learners bike. But if you want speed get a fast 4 stroke OR a rgv/nsr which is not too bad for a learners but still might be a bit dicey for an absolute beginer.

[KLOWN]

Ixion, thats just not true. Ive had the same plugs in my bike for 6 months now, havent taken them out and havent fowled one. You do not have to ring it out everywhere, though its a shitload of fun. Like I say, most of my riding is in 50k zones which I normally ride in 3rd at 4-6 thou, can ride at those revs all day no sweat.
You can ride the same speed in 2nd at 7-8thou and be ready to out accelerate anything as well
(2nd rings out at 100k.)
Zealot if you have a sensible head on your shoulders and have driven 'quick cars' you should be fine, specially if your ok with a set of spanners

2strkgirl, I think the rs250 would suit you, its legal (being 250cc) which means you could get insurance for it (keeping your parents happy seeing as its their money) Plus its something that you will not be riding at its limit for a long time, like I say I go knee down alot (road and track) and I have NEVER scraped the pegs, the bike still has more to give than I do, I think Im probably at 60% of its potential on the track, 70 if im lucky,
On the road tho, I generally have it sussed.
Fuck I do alot of wheelies.
They are not dangerous, they have the potential to be. Ride it with some sense they are fine,
I honestly think you will learn a shitload more on a 2stroke than on anything else, you have to have your revs right for every corner or you will be down on power for accelerating out properly, on a 2 stroke you have alot more gear changes which I feel makes you learn alot more rather than being on a 4 stroke putting it in 3rd and riding the torque.

Dont listen to these people who tell you you will fowl plugs and the engines are a ticking timebomb, it just isnt true.
Yes on my older strokers ive fowled plugs, on both my rs250's which I ride EVERYDAY EVERYWHERE ive never had an issue with plugs or the engine.
Besides, if something does go wrong 2strokes are the most simple engines there are ! there is fuck all too them and they are easy as fuck to work on

P.s. I dont believe you arent fat... Put a profile pic up :)

I can't believe you are still advocating the rs250 for beginers when you are lucky to be alive after the crashes you have had. You had a start on a rgv (or was it an nsr) as as you yourself has posted, it has the POTENTIAL to be dangerous. All you need is a slip of the wrist in the powerband and off you go. this is NOT a beginers bike. YES they are a great bike and I would LOVE to own one and I don't believe they would foul at low revs, my rg150 never did and its a 2 smoker. And when I was looking at getting a first bike I looked at the aprilla rs250 and did alot of research and everything i read bout them was....

they are a track/road weapon but will handle a commute easy as pie. 2 smokers are easy to work on, reliable and great fun bikes. but NOT for beginers.

as for saying if you've had fast cars then a fast bike will be fine. thats utter crap I've had fast cars and the rg150 still felt fast for me. I have driven an mi6 and they are fast but not as fast as my 400hp (at the wheels) skyline. Fast bikes are not like fast cars. and front wheel drive cars are much easier to drive then fast rear wheel drive cars and bikes are harder still

[FilthyLuka]

I can't believe you are still advocating the rs250 for beginers when you are lucky to be alive after the crashes you have had. You had a start on a rgv (or was it an nsr) as as you yourself has posted, it has the POTENTIAL to be dangerous. All you need is a slip of the wrist in the powerband and off you go. this is NOT a beginers bike. YES they are a great bike and I would LOVE to own one and I don't believe they would foul at low revs, my rg150 never did and its a 2 smoker. And when I was looking at getting a first bike I looked at the aprilla rs250 and did alot of research and everything i read bout them was....

they are a track/road weapon but will handle a commute easy as pie. 2 smokers are easy to work on, reliable and great fun bikes. but NOT for beginers.

as for saying if you've had fast cars then a fast bike will be fine. thats utter crap I've had fast cars and the rg150 still felt fast for me. I have driven an mi6 and they are fast but not as fast as my 400hp (at the wheels) skyline. Fast bikes are not like fast cars. and front wheel drive cars are much easier to drive then fast rear wheel drive cars and bikes are harder still

I absolutely agree with mr Klown. My ginny only has some #cough# minor improvements and thats not even putting out 35 hp, yet with GOOD RUBBER, a slip of the wrist on a wet bend spun the wheel and sent me into a power slide...

A slip of the wrist on a rs250, god forbid in first, will launch you into power fuck sydrome. eg, #slip# #wwwhhhaaaeeeeeee# "FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!"

as for cars, i can drive a 250hp alpina beemer without hassle, ive slid a chrysler hemi round bends, but i still think twice before taking an mc28 for a spin...

bling awarded

denis

[mud boy]

aff-man and klown are right
rev high
and power
i rev my RG150 at 8000rev's and above and the power band kick in about 10000rev's

[Zealot]

Klown:
Yes, that's why I was looking at the rs250. As I'm said before, I'm a bit of a masochist in that I prefer cars/bikes that are a bit out of the norm, something different. Option two is a cbr250, but I'd prefer the Aprilia to be honest. The styling, sound (saw one take off from uni), everything.

And to be quite honest, don't underestimate the peugeots ;) If you've actually pushed a pug hard you'll know that they're not like most FWD cars. The steering is very neutral - and they actually oversteer quite well, meaning you can throw them into a corner MUCH faster than expected and left-foot brake to flick the back out. I'm not that good at this technique yet, but I'm getting better. They're very different from what most people expect from fwd - they're as easy as many rwds to flick the rear out.

A 400hp skyline would be a pain in the arse quite frankly. Got traction? One of my good mates has a 205kw at the wheels S14, that thing goes like a rocket but can't get traction in first or second in the largest tyres he can fit on 18" wheels... Power is useless in that sort of situation. To be honest, around anything with bends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 205 at least keep up with an overpowered skyline, possibly even be quicker.

I'm a big fan of lightweight yet decently powered vehicles.

I know the GN250 is a learner bike, not sure if you saw my first post but I have briefly had a ride on a 250cc 4 stroke bike - the suzuki gsxr (I think that's right, not perfectly familiar with model numbers yet). It was great. I wouldn't settle for less than that. It was brief though, I didn't want to push a friend's bike (and it was blatantly illegal).

I'll have a look at the rs250 and perhaps take one for a quick test ride once I'm more confident. Time to steal friends' bikes methinks.


Plus I think having an rs250 would scare me into behaving with one. Maybe ;)

[FilthyLuka]

Klown:
Yes, that's why I was looking at the rs250. As I'm said before, I'm a bit of a masochist in that I prefer cars/bikes that are a bit out of the norm, something different. Option two is a cbr250, but I'd prefer the Aprilia to be honest. The styling, sound (saw one take off from uni), everything.

And to be quite honest, don't underestimate the peugeots ;) If you've actually pushed a pug hard you'll know that they're not like most FWD cars. The steering is very neutral - and they actually oversteer quite well, meaning you can throw them into a corner MUCH faster than expected and left-foot brake to flick the back out. I'm not that good at this technique yet, but I'm getting better. They're very different from what most people expect from fwd - they're as easy as many rwds to flick the rear out.

A 400hp skyline would be a pain in the arse quite frankly. Got traction? One of my good mates has a 205kw at the wheels S14, that thing goes like a rocket but can't get traction in first or second in the largest tyres he can fit on 18" wheels... Power is useless in that sort of situation. To be honest, around anything with bends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 205 at least keep up with an overpowered skyline, possibly even be quicker.

I'm a big fan of lightweight yet decently powered vehicles.

I know the GN250 is a learner bike, not sure if you saw my first post but I have briefly had a ride on a 250cc 4 stroke bike - the suzuki gsxr (I think that's right, not perfectly familiar with model numbers yet). It was great. I wouldn't settle for less than that. It was brief though, I didn't want to push a friend's bike (and it was blatantly illegal).

I'll have a look at the rs250 and perhaps take one for a quick test ride once I'm more confident. Time to steal friends' bikes methinks.


Plus I think having an rs250 would scare me into behaving with one. Maybe ;)

An rs250 and cbr are quite frankly, the norm. High power 250 two smoke, rs250. 250 fourstroke sports bike, cbr.

If you want to be "outrageous maaaannn," get a mz... or a mito if you want out of the norm... 7 gears is pretty outta the norm...

denis

[Zealot]

CBRs are.

How many people do you see with RS250s? I've only ever seen one. Compared to fifty-million cbrs :p I've seen more NSR250s than aprilias.

[FilthyLuka]

CBRs are.

How many people do you see with RS250s? I've only ever seen one. Compared to fifty-million cbrs :p I've seen more NSR250s than aprilias.

i know six riders with rs's

ones on this forum

go on tard me, search RS

go into any bike shop, ask for an RS

look at a wreckers...

[Zealot]

Touche :D As I've said, I've only ever seen one in person. I've been watching trademe for the past few weeks anyway.

[jade]

Klown, I agree with pretty much everything you said, Im not a (Im right) person.. and thats that..
Zealot, unitech at pt chev ???
That would be me... on a tuesday night.. Part of my boatbuilding apprentiship ? Sound right ?

[Theatre]

Zealot, just get a 150 smoker. They've got the hooliganish fun factor that 2 strokes offer but aren't so raw that they'll kill you. You won't get sick of the acceleration coming from a car either. It'll get you used to riding a two stroke so then if you decide to step up to the RS250 it'll be a bit easier.

Ps sell the bloody pug and get something decent like a civic :p

[Zealot]

Mmm but I dunno, I'd rather just get the rs250 if I'm going to be upgrading from an RG150 (or kawazaki equivalent) to one in a few months. Save myself some cash.

And quite frankly, PFFFT. That said, it'd be weird going from a pug - torquey engines, constant power, to a 2 stroke with something akin to VTAAACK. Honda cars suck anyway.


And nah, not unitec. Was parked outside the AUT business school. I'm actually at UOA but I was walking past on the way to work (software firm in town). I was 10 mins late due to that bike ;)

[jade]

Luka I must say I dont know anybody with an rs apart from me, I have seen maybe 2 on the road and I look out for them, im not saying they arent there but they are rare - zealot - there is one for sale at cyclespot honda on the shore atm - same as mine ..could be worth checking out -
whenever I rock up at a dealers the employees are always more interested in my bike than other people rocking up on their 06 sportsbikes etc

[2strokegirl]

well... i just have one thing to say... CARS SUCK COOKIES:bash: !!!! bikes are better.

and... how the hell do i put a picture up???

p.s

i brought a gpx. and i love it. :love:

[Expert]

Get an RS250, you know you want to.


Edit; oops, didn't realise you already bought a bike, ignore this post.

[Zealot]

2strokegirl:
1) Take picture
2) Resize image using irfanview - www.irfanview.com from memory
3) www.imageshack.us - upload it there
4) Copy the IMAGE url, not hte link to the imageshack page. It's the bottom field in the bit list of boxes they have, it'll end in ".jpg"
5) Paste the url in the reply box, and surround it with img tags, ie
[img]urlgoeshere[ /img]
Remove the space.

Also, cars are a heck of a lot of fun. You obviously haven't driven a decent car if you don't enjoy them ;)


cjade:
I may have to take a look at it.

Expert:
Yea :(

[2strokegirl]

i drove a subaru once. i just dont like cars.

ok il chuck one up when i take a photo that doesnt look ugly lol.

[Jantar]

i brought a gpx. and i love it. :love:
Wise choice. Bling awarded.

[Zealot]

A Subaru? Yea that would be why you dislike cars. Drive a real car then re-evaluate ;)

[KLOWN]

Klown, I agree with pretty much everything you said, Im not a (Im right) person.. and thats that..
Zealot, unitech at pt chev ???
That would be me... on a tuesday night.. Part of my boatbuilding apprentiship ? Sound right ?

I'm not saying your wrong, well I kinda am, BUT I agree with you on everything except rs250s for learners. Also i'm just talking as a general rule i'm sure there are plenty of people out there who can handle an rs250 for a first bike but if they are anything like me (zealot sounds a bit like me) then I would definatly would not recommend one for a beginer.

zealot, I have driven a modified mi16 and they are great cars. I have also owned a couple of modified minis that left evos and skylines for dead when they tried to race me through the waitakeres(sp?) so I know the feeling of light fwd cars (and love em). I used my skyline for drifting so traction wasn't really a problem :innocent:

[MoNk]

Not that I care whether Zealot buys one or not, but would a dealer let a L plater take one out for a test run?

[KLOWN]

Not that I care whether Zealot buys one or not, but would a dealer let a L plater take one out for a test run?

I highly doubt it. but you never know till you try.

[Zealot]

I wouldn't even bother asking. I don't feel it's fair for a dealer to have to take the risk of me screwing up. I'd buy it before doing anything more than turning it on and going in small circles.


And Klown, well done. Most people don't even know what an Mi16 is. And yep, a hotted up 1380 will leave most things for dead through anything that's not straight.
I can see why traction isn't an issue. My friend with the silvia has a set of skidrims for that purpose. :D

[Mole_C]

Zealot what makes you think you can handle a RS after riding a few bikes around the block for a few minutes? What cars you drive has absolutely no effect on how well you will be able to ride a bike. You really do not seem at all like the kind of person who will be able to handle a RS.

You're a mechatronics student. You shouldn't be so stupid.

Better watch out of Ixion will get his gene-o-clean out!

[Zealot]

I didn't say I thought any car driving experience would help. I said that to indicate that I don't care about having to take very good care of it mechanically due to driving a car that requires similar care.

It was longer than a few minutes but hence asking. Are they so completely insane that they'd be night impossible to learn on? I freely admit that I don't know an incredible amount, hence why I was asking. Surely that given a bit of practice they'd be fine. Anything is fine with practice.

And how does me being a mechatronics student relate to wanting a bike that appeals to me? To be quite honest it's more the fact that I've read they handle incredibly well and stop on a dime than the power. If I wanted raw power I'd do a Klown and get a turbo car...


What makes you think I couldn't handle learning on an RS? Serious question, I'm not looking to get into an argument so keep it objective not personal, kk?

[limbimtimwim]

There is no harm in getting a slower bike as a first bike. You can sell a good used 250 for what you paid for it, they don't really depreciate.

Once you can handle a CBR250RR, then you can move onto something else. And if you want special and rare, an RS250 so isn't. They are reasonably common.

What I've never seen is a VJ23 RGV in the metal: http://www.rgv250.co.uk/gal23.htm

[2strokegirl]

a dealer will let you ride one as long as you have a lisence etc i took a couple bikes out from the dealer here in gizzy.

i think from what iv herd that the rs is not a learner bike:nono: ... not for a first 250 anyway maby for a 2nd bike but definetly not for some one who has not ridden a proper bike. i recomend buying a cbr zxr etc something cheap:scooter: you can get the hang of riding on the road and if you make a mistake or fall off it your not going to kill off another indangered species ride a cbr or a zxr for 6 months... then...after 6 months when you have your restricted take an rs for a test ride and if you feel you are capable of riding it... buy it.

i think maby most people on here would agree with me when io say that.

p.s
if your adiment your going to get one take it slow dont try show off to anyone cos thats how accidents are caused then how much of a dick would you look like if you brought an rs against better judgment then fell off it??

a fucken big one if you ask me lol.

2strokegirl:innocent:

[avgas]

Not that I care whether Zealot buys one or not, but would a dealer let a L plater take one out for a test run?
I did - in tauranga in 99. We didnt bother sticking the big L on the back though.
Mind due i did know the salesman.

[avgas]

What I've never seen is a VJ23 RGV in the metal: http://www.rgv250.co.uk/gal23.htm

Seen 2 in total in NZ both UK imports. Very nice bike - but the sticker schemes sucked on the NZ 1's

[limbimtimwim]

Seen 2 in total in NZ both UK imports. Very nice bike - but the sticker schemes sucked on the NZ 1'sThey sold them new in NZ?!?

[marty]

it's when you're climbing thru 100mph in 3rd on the RS thnat you realise that it's probably a little much for a learner.

[CM2005]

Good onya getting a kwakka! If you'd got a 'prilla i'd be after your number so i could buy it when you binned it.
I don't like cars either, and yup Zealot i know how well a 205 GTi goes, and i'd love a rear engine homologation one!!
i dunno what i'd get for my first bike, my mate binned/got backed over on his GSX250, and i mioght score that and put some mx bars and acerbis lite on it.. i've never ridden a bike with clip-ons!

[MSTRS]

it's when you're climbing thru 100mph/160kph in 3rd on the RS thnat you realise that it's probably a little much for a learner.

And still in 1st on a performance 750+
2SG - good on you for getting the more sensible GPX. They are still no slouches - just ask anyone who knows Speights_Bud

[Zealot]

CM2005:
Aren't we being a little presumptuous in that any new rider WILL have a woopsie and come off on an RS250?
Also, if you think a mid engined rwd one would be hot... how about a twin engined "Mi32". Mi16 in the front driving the front wheels, and one in the back for the rear wheels. Controlled off the same gearshift, etc.

It's a work in progress, by a czech guy from memory.


Anyway, if I did go for a less crazy bike first off - would it be better to go for a 150cc 2 stroke (rg150 etc) or a 4 pot 4 stroke aka cbr250 or similar? Assuming within 6 months I'd sell and upgrade to an rs250?

Is the 2stroke power band so vastly different that it'd be easier to learn on a 150cc 2 stroke so I'm use to it? Or go for the more powerful 4 stroke?
Random thoughts/comments/abuse appreciated.

[CM2005]

sounds dangerous to me!! i'd like a go on a KR150, to see if they're anything like the 2t dirt bikes i've ridden... yeah, it was a little presumtuous, but i'm sure some on here would agree that it would be likely? dunno. whats a CBR400RR like to ride? i'm thinking of buying one for F3

[limbimtimwim]

Anyway, if I did go for a less crazy bike first off - would it be better to go for a 150cc 2 stroke (rg150 etc) or a 4 pot 4 stroke aka cbr250 or similar?Ride both and see what you are more comfortable with. Power to weight wise, a 4cyl 250 4 stroke and a 1cyl 150 2 stroke are probably quite similar. You might decide that a RG150 feels a bit dinky (They are very light) and a 4cyl feels a bit more solid and you like that more. Or vice versa.
Assuming within 6 months I'd sell and upgrade to an rs250?Assume that you will only want to move on when you are comfortable, rather than setting time periods. I think it has taken me about 10,000km on each bike I have had before I felt very comfortable with it. You of course may be different.

[avgas]

You're best bet is the 150 two stroke. ride it until you get sick of doing 180+kph :lol: i did

[Zealot]

CM2005:
Yea it would. Each engine is worked - 180-190hp per engine... It'd be pretty quick. I'll find his photo album, it's VERY impressive. He's got the engines in, linked the gears, and I think started it up.

[Mole_C]

What makes you think I couldn't handle learning on an RS? Serious question, I'm not looking to get into an argument so keep it objective not personal, kk?

1. It is not a learners bike and very few people can handle it as a first bike.
2. You seem to have an attitude that you are going to be a great biker and be able to handle a bike that almost everyone has told you is not a learners bike. You seem very stubborn and not wanting to take advice and it is generally these type of people who will crash hard.
3. Many people crash their first bike (mostly minor) and i would rather you crash something i don't want to buy rather than make them harder to find and drive the price up.


Aren't we being a little presumptuous in that any new rider WILL have a woopsie and come off on an RS250?

No!

[Zealot]

It's called playing devil's advocate.

I think you're probably right however. I'd hate to kill a $7k bike...

[2strokegirl]

i honestly dont think youl get an aprilia for under 7k. i just got a gpx even though i have been riding mx bikes since i was 5. you can get one brand new for 7k. wouldnt you rather buy something for the same price that does the same job that you no the ass hasent been thrashed off it and that wont cost you a small fortune in the long run ie disk breaks aproxx $300 each, cabels, fork seals etc ??

seriously think about weatha or not you have the finantial backing to upkeep an rs its not cheap to rebuild the whole thing after 16000km. and if you buy one that is close to those kms i can alomst guarentee youl be rebuilding it within 2 weeks cos the previous owner noes that its gota be done so theyl sell it and land you with a bike thats going to cost you another couple of thousand to keep it going.

2strokegirl:innocent:

[2strokegirl]

oh yeah all those people waiting to see if im fat or not ill put a picture up after school ok.:innocent:

[aff-man]

2SG: good sensible choice... plus I used to go round the outside of people on my vt250f 1988 special edition... Which had less Hp than the GPX. It's not what ya got but how ya use it. Have fun on the roads.


Zealot: Not everybody WILL come off an RS..... BUT you've got a much higher chance. If I had ridden one when I was on my learners/restricted I think I probably would have come unstuck. The biggest thing is that because they are so small and "only a 250" people don't get that they are a production race 2 stroke and consiquently need to be ridden as such. i'd go for a IL4 250 zxr (only cause I'm biased) but they aer fairly quick and it was probably the best handeling bike i've owned.

[marty]

Also, if you think a mid engined rwd one would be hot... how about a twin engined "Mi32". Mi16 in the front driving the front wheels, and one in the back for the rear wheels. Controlled off the same gearshift, etc.

.

your lips are moving but all i can hear is 'blah, blah, blah'

[Zealot]

2strokegirl:
I'm not the sort of person to pay for someone else to rebuild it...

I also have a vastly different opinion from you on used pieces of machinery. They're easily as reliable as a new one.

And there have been multiple rs250s on trademe for $7kish.

affman:
I think I'll take your (and others) advice - a zxr might be a cheaper first option, hopefully I'll have one within a month or two. Just gotta look around for a decent one.

marty:

Take one 205 gti.
Take one 405 Mi16 D6C motor.
Put a 160hp torquey 1.9L NA into said 800kg car.
This is a standard engine conversion

A czech guy took two motors, put one in the back, the second in the rear. He's powering the front wheels off the front engine, as per usual in a FWD car, but is driving a rear axle off the rear engine, connecting the two gearboxes together off the one gearshift.

Pics here
http://projects.205gtidrivers.com/205mi32

Info here
http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=66870

Make some more sense?

[aff-man]

affman:
I think I'll take your (and others) advice - a zxr might be a cheaper first option, hopefully I'll have one within a month or two. Just gotta look around for a decent one.


I had an 89 and they go really well I just loved it and besides the looks they changed nothing so you can save some coin by getting an older one. One of the main things to check for on a zxr (don't know how mechanically minded ya are) but have a listen for cam chain rattle. They need to be adjusted every 30 -40000km, not an expensive thing about $300 (if you replace all parts) but can cause major damage if one comes off.

[marty]

actually, i thought it reasonably obvious, but what i meant to say was: :whocares:

[Zealot]

marty:

I knew exactly what you meant by that. I was being a pedantic car driver. ;) Quite frankly it's a fantastic project :p I'd like to see you manage to get two gearboxes to work in tandem.

affman:
I'm fine mechanically on cars... bikes can't be too different. Within reason.

[Ixion]

marty:


affman:
I'm fine mechanically on cars... bikes can't be too different. Within reason.

Two smokers can be.

[toymachine]

All your years of riding won't help when you're barreling around a corner and theres a truck backing a trailer into a driveway.

Not a dig.

Have fun.

[Zealot]

Ixion - naturally... there was a reason I posed the question to you lot :p

[2strokegirl]

:done: i put a profile picture up... not the bet of picts i kinda look lost and salightly retarded :crazy: but just look past all that lol.not sure if i done it right so yea.

check it out and you will finally see im not fat lol. :innocent:

[aff-man]

:done: i put a profile picture up... not the bet of picts i kinda look lost and salightly retarded :crazy: but just look past all that lol.not sure if i done it right so yea.

check it out and you will finally see im not fat lol. :innocent:

hahahahahaha

oh no ...


it's going to be like moths to a nuclear explosion,,,,

[2strokegirl]

whats that soupost to mean lol.

[rookie]

whats that soupost to mean lol.

he wants to marry you.

[2strokegirl]

what:shit: ?? why would anyone want to marry me??

[Seraph]

:done: i put a profile picture up... not the bet of picts i kinda look lost and salightly retarded :crazy: but just look past all that lol.not sure if i done it right so yea.

check it out and you will finally see im not fat lol. :innocent:

:yes: Finally my mind put at ease!...fat chix on smallish bikes = disturbing.....Like old people driving sports cars...:shutup:
Thought you said your hair was black!....either im blind or it's blonde/red...:love:

[CM2005]

haha, GPX (ginga) ninja...
:dodge: JOKING!

[2strokegirl]

its pink in the front the back is black

[2strokegirl]

its fast enough for me atm. itl do 200+ once i play around with the exaust system etc.

[Seraph]

its fast enough for me atm. itl do 200+ once i play around with the exaust system etc.

A inline twin 250 4 stroke hitting 200.....? That's something I'd like to see...For some reason I dont think you'd manage it unless you did a huge ammount of engine work....Modding a zorst won't give you an extra 40km/h over it's top speed...unless your talking about redirecting it through a turbo....But who needs to go 200 unless they're on a track...:Punk:

[2strokegirl]

i had it at 150 no where near redlining it strait out of the box compleatly standard. dont forget they weigh practly nothing and im only 45kg so i dont make a huge diffrenc either. it should do close to 200 atlest 180 hopefully. :innocent:

[Seraph]

I had trouble pushing my cbr beyond 180...and that was on a 2km straight..with a modded airbox, jets & needles...after that it just ran out of puff....just need more road most likely but its not worth counting as useful speed...

[2strokegirl]

tru. ill see what it does once i get it lol. itd be awsome if it done 200.

[xwhatsit]

i had it at 150 no where near redlining it strait out of the box compleatly standard. dont forget they weigh practly nothing and im only 45kg so i dont make a huge diffrenc either. it should do close to 200 atlest 180 hopefully. :innocent:

GPX is a relatively heavy bastard -- 145-odd-kg dry. Well it's not as heavy as the GSX, but still far too heavy a bike for me to own. If you want it to go faster, I'd start by ditching the heavy shit. You don't really need half of those fairings, so get rid of the side fairings and bottom fairing (you'll only scratch them when you forget to put the sidestand down :innocent:). Exhaust system is a good idea -- won't give you much extra horsepower, if any, but I'd be willing to bet the stock system is monstrously heavy, so get a nice light full system.

Chuck pillion pegs out. You're a learner ffs, and they'll only slow you down :lol:

This probably won't help your top speed overly, but will improve acceleration -- and best of all, improve cornering. Going fast in a straight line is boring :zzzz:

[Seraph]

tru. ill see what it does once i get it lol. itd be awsome if it done 200.

Sure would be!! I guess it's something to aim for....better to just stick with a standard 250 than waste precious $$$ you could be putting toward a larger bike when you get your full though.

[2strokegirl]

145 kg is nothing i dont even think theyr that heavy maby you just need to grow some muscles. the fairings would make it more areodynamic thus making it easyer to go faster plus bikes without fairings diserve to be parked in the middle of the road and left there. now dont forget this is a new gpx performance has improved a fuck load from the older models il get it to 200 just watch me. lol.

[aff-man]

whats that soupost to mean lol.

posting a pic of yourself on a local biker forum....

Just keeps me amused...

[Seraph]

145 kg is nothing i dont even think theyr that heavy maby you just need to grow some muscles. the fairings would make it more areodynamic thus making it easyer to go faster plus bikes without fairings diserve to be parked in the middle of the road and left there. now dont forget this is a new gpx performance has improved a fuck load from the older models il get it to 200 just watch me. lol.

nothing untill it's starts to fall over on ya...then you'd be in trouble! fairings are over-rated...and damn!! that's not a cool idea :( I love my zr...and that's naked! + It'd leave your gpx 4 dust :P muahaha...

[2strokegirl]

whats wrong with posting a pict?? lol.

yea yea im sure lol il let you no how fast it goes when its all run in. by the way... nice lip piercing. :innocent:

[aff-man]

whats wrong with posting a pict?? lol.

yea yea im sure lol il let you no how fast it goes when its all run in. by the way... nice lip piercing. :innocent:

i've been around this forum for a while that's all.


Anywho run the engine in properly and you'll get better pace. You might want to mess with the gearing when it's done. Drop a tooth on the front.. you'll loose some of your top end speed but you'll get heaps more drive out of the corners.

[Seraph]

whats wrong with posting a pict?? lol.

yea yea im sure lol il let you no how fast it goes when its all run in. by the way... nice lip piercing. :innocent:

Nothing at all... :).... :P actuli..somewhere there's a noobie pic posting thread so people can see what you like!

Ohh you better.. :P Bet you won't get over 185... :dodge:

And thanks....I don't have it anymore sadly..I Had to take it out for my MRI when they carted me upto christchurch...then they forgot to give it back so it closed over :bye:

[Zealot]

More go-fast bits won't actually get you a higher top speed - you're still limited by the gearing and rev limiter in top...

It will however make you get to that speed faster.

[Seraph]

More go-fast bits won't actually get you a higher top speed - you're still limited by the gearing and rev limiter in top...

It will however make you get to that speed faster.

But if the bike can't hit the redline in top gear without them in the 1st place...

[Mokoro]

I'm sorry in advance, but this thread just screams for attention of the wrong kind.

See:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=attention+whore

[Seraph]

I'm sorry in advance, but this thread just screams for attention of the wrong kind.

See:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=attention+whore

HARSH!!!!! If someone accused me of being fat I'd post a pic to prove them wrong too, And she did ask a seriosus question, followed by 10 pages of discussion before posting a pic and she's ended up with a bike based on advice given in the thread..So calling her an attention whore?? DAMN!

[xwhatsit]

145 kg is nothing i dont even think theyr that heavy maby you just need to grow some muscles. the fairings would make it more areodynamic thus making it easyer to go faster plus bikes without fairings diserve to be parked in the middle of the road and left there. now dont forget this is a new gpx performance has improved a fuck load from the older models il get it to 200 just watch me. lol.

Well I'm sure it's lighter than your old cruiser, but still... hmm... a lot of bike for a 250cc engine to carry around. That's 145kg dry, so about 165kg+ fueled and oiled.

Fairings do squat until you get them on a race track, especially the side ones. Some pretty long threads going back a long time here on KB about this topic.


bikes without fairings diserve to be parked in the middle of the road and left there.
I'd be careful of comments like that when probably ~60%+ of the bikes on this forum lack fairings. I'm a mellow sort of lad, so me and my bike won't get offended at that. But watch out for GiJoe1313, he's a vicious bastard wot knows kung fu and will kick your arse if he sees that :lol:

[Jantar]

145 kg is nothing i dont even think theyr that heavy maby you just need to grow some muscles. the fairings would make it more areodynamic thus making it easyer to go faster plus bikes without fairings diserve to be parked in the middle of the road and left there. now dont forget this is a new gpx performance has improved a fuck load from the older models il get it to 200 just watch me. lol.
200kmh at 210kg (I'm guessing your weight to add to the bikes wet weight) will require at least 63 HP. What HP does your bike produce?

[xwhatsit]

200kmh at 210kg (I'm guessing your weight to add to the bikes wet weight) will require at least 63 HP. What HP does your bike produce?


The Ninja's engine is a vertical in-line twin, displacing 248cc. Kawasaki claims it puts out around 33 HP, and most dyno testing seems to reveal 23-28 HP at the rear wheel.

That site also says a claimed dry weight of 304lbs, which is about 140kgs, so I was slightly out there. Still looking at 165kgs wet, fully fuelled even more.

Is there a mathematical formula for working stuff like that out? I take it you just take a general drag coefficient for all motorcycles.

[Mr. Peanut]

200kmh at 210kg (I'm guessing your weight to add to the bikes wet weight) will require at least 63 HP. What HP does your bike produce?

I've hit 200km/h indicated.

I weigh 85 + bike + fuel = 235kg, how much HP I got?

Ninja tops out at about 160 indicated... :innocent:

[Seraph]

200kmh at 210kg (I'm guessing your weight to add to the bikes wet weight) will require at least 63 HP. What HP does your bike produce?


36 HP at the crank & 26 at rear wheel....if evrything is still stock & manufactures specs are on target....Hey, all she has to do is switch the numbers around...36 HP (hides & switcharoo's) = 63 HP!
If only It was that easy to gain 27 HP....
Oh, full wet weight is 161 Kg btw

[zeocen]

If you ask me you made the wrong choice of bike if you want to hit an unrealistic top speed. ZXR's are there for a reason. Granted they'd probably be thrashed and over priced but by the sounds of it - that's where your bike's headed.

Good luck in getting 200+kmph, I'll eat my hat when I see it. Until then, you might want to think of becoming a safe rider in all conditions, on all roads, in all corners, rather than just in a straight line. <-- All in my extreme personal opinion of course.

GPX is a lot of things, but realistically, it's not a fast bike by any standards, it's a great commuter with a decent top speed that's capable of highway speeds. It's not a CBR or ZXR.

I'll probably get the burnt end of the stick for saying this, but I really can't help but think this lass is a female knockoff of SkidMark, who also made almost-scrap metal of a GPX.

[2strokegirl]

lol. il get back to you when i get the exausts and sprockets done. wow thats funny iv been bagd off cmpleatly in the last 2 pages :angry: . most of you better hope you never run into me you might find yourself with a bike that has no wheels.

[Seraph]

Chill out chicky...All we're saying is it's going to be reallllly hard to do....even if you do change the sprokets you'll be loosing acceleration to get a better top speed you'll hardly ever use...BUT if that's what you want then good luck ^_^

[CM2005]

you remind me of my mates little sister. if you want 200 clicks outta ya GPX, put a KX500 motor in it! Try it at the track, or down the beach northland style!

[Back Fire]

you remind me of my mates little sister. if you want 200 clicks outta ya GPX, put a KX500 motor in it! Try it at the track, or down the beach northland style!

oh hell yeah that'd be mad fun

[Seraph]

you remind me of my mates little sister. if you want 200 clicks outta ya GPX, put a KX500 motor in it! Try it at the track, or down the beach northland style!

oh but thatd defeat the purpose!! half the fun is finding out how to push a 250 past 200......

[gijoe1313]

:zzzz: :confused: :shifty: :yawn: :laugh: :bleh: :msn-wink: :rolleyes: :pinch:

I guess this is all done in the best possible taste!

Hong Kong Fooey, faster than the naked eye ... as for the ol'nekkid vs fairings. Meh, whatever floats your boat, rocks your world, makes you swing ... it's all good, two wheels of freedom is all we need!

Can't we all just get along? Oh the humanity of it all! What about the children? And has anyone thought about the dolphins? :weep:

And ... my little RZ250 is sans fairings also!

[Back Fire]

tie it to a faster bike....

[aff-man]

I only know of I think 4 250's that would break the 200km/h barrier (and thats real 200 not indicated 200 which would probably only be about 185-190)

I got my zxr250 up to 195 indicated and that was ringing it's nuts off on a slight downhill..... and i'm not the fattest guy around. I think I was just over the 60 mark when that was done. And the zxr put out about 6 or more HP that the gpx......

That being said you could gear any bike to go over 200km/h..... you'll just need to find a masssive straight to let smaller bikes wind up to that.... When will people get that straight line speed is bullshit unless you're pulling sub 11 sec quarter miles..... It's like that bikerboyz movie. Tried to make going in a straight line at car speeds hard...... go at 100 through the tight twisties without dropping pace or running wide more challenging and IMHO way more fun.

[xwhatsit]

tie it to a faster bike....

Heheh I often want to do that to the scooter riders at the head of the lights in the CBD... put my hand out and give them a tow so they don't get squished by the traffic behind ^_^

[2strokegirl]

lol. if you were just over 60kg affman then i should be able to get atleast 190 out of the lil thing. i think itl either do it or it wont:whocares: either way i no it does 150 no where near pushing it and thats fast enough for me.. for now anyway

ps i brought it back from the a.g.m in giz to the shop and when i was cornering it my knee was about 10cm away from the road im not sure if thats a pathetic atempt to corner a sport bike or not but it was fucken fun lol. :Punk:


oh and gijoe1313 the children and the dolphins will be fine lol

[Seraph]

When your getting your pegs down, then you'll know your doing well.... ^_^ just take it eazy and have fun untill you know what your capable of your new toy...Coz trust me...coming off SUCKS!

[hdus001]

200kmh at 210kg (I'm guessing your weight to add to the bikes wet weight) will require at least 63 HP. What HP does your bike produce?

How did you arrive at that figure?

[jade]

Ive only ever got 206 out of my bike, and that was a long road with head on the tank..
Accelerates sweet until 190 then slowly rings out to 205 206..
I know of a rz350 early 80's bike with custom made sprockets that did a little over 320..

[2strokegirl]

:eek: i sold my bike!!!!!! yay. im so happy now.

[Back Fire]

bigger speed = bigger bike...

anyway... weight isn't so much the issue with top speed... aerodynanics are... weight just makes you get there slower... you can be 50kg's, or 100kg's... aslong as you can get yourself fully into the bikes air pocket it wont make much diff how fat you are...

anyhoo... congrats on the gpx :niceone:

[KLOWN]

When your getting your pegs down, then you'll know your doing well.... ^_^ just take it eazy and have fun untill you know what your capable of your new toy...Coz trust me...coming off SUCKS!

Getting your pegs down does not alway mean your doing well. I don't see racers getting thier pegs down and they are on a lean far greater then you will achieve on the road. It all depends on wheather your hanging off the bike, peg clearences, if you take the wrong line and have to lean harder to go round then a rider who takes better lines. Knee down and pegs down don't mean squat. Ride behind a fast rider and you may have your knee down on every corner and he will be a speck in the distance.

[FilthyLuka]

its fast enough for me atm. itl do 200+ once i play around with the exaust system etc.

:rofl: 10 chars

[FilthyLuka]

lol. if you were just over 60kg affman then i should be able to get atleast 190 out of the lil thing


:rofl:

so where will you be buying

carbs, filters, exhaust, suspension, mirror polished internals, hot cams, forged pistons and some engine balancing weights from?

[2strokegirl]

hey just cos a gn250 strugles to do 120 doesent mean that mine wont do 200. yours is heavy + a cruiser and its a single cylinder. dont go saying mine wont do it untill i have tryed cos if it somehow magicly it manages to do 200 or atleast 190 i will laugh in your face :lol: . lol.

oh yeah klown i was swinging off. like half on the seat and half not if you get what i mean im not sure how to put it in words.

[Zealot]

Quite frankly, 200kph on a bike would scare the crap out of me. Screw that.

[aff-man]

Quite frankly, 200kph on a bike would scare the crap out of me. Screw that.

it's not that bad... once you get over about 250 and the bike becomes airborn on every little bump cause you don't have the weight to hold it down... then it gets a bit exciting....

Oh and 200 on the gpx on stock gearing... doubt it. Remember your speedo reads high.

[Back Fire]

it's not that bad... once you get over about 250 and the bike becomes airborn on every little bump cause you don't have the weight to hold it down... then it gets a bit exciting....

Oh and 200 on the gpx on stock gearing... doubt it. Remember your speedo reads high.

heh... 200 is just cruising...


and you my friend... are SLOW! MUAHAHAHAHAHA

[2strokegirl]

it wont be standard. the bike shop is going to change the gearing the sprockets and the exausts for me lol.

as i say though il see what it does when its all run in etc etc. dont wanna go pushing it too hard before its ready.

i wanna put a neon on it.....

[Seraph]

it wont be standard. the bike shop is going to change the gearing the sprockets and the exausts for me lol.

as i say though il see what it does when its all run in etc etc. dont wanna go pushing it too hard before its ready.

i wanna put a neon on it.....

messing around with the gearing is gonna cost u quite a bit isn't is? that kinda work aint cheap...

AND by a neon u mean lighting..?

[aff-man]

heh... 200 is just cruising...


and you my friend... are SLOW! MUAHAHAHAHAHA

says he who wheelies into cars....

Plus i'm about 20 times faster than when you last rode with me anyway which was more than a year ago....

[Back Fire]

says he who wheelies into cars....

Plus i'm about 20 times faster than when you last rode with me anyway which was more than a year ago....

hahahahaha... ok ok! I believe you

[Mokoro]

Please inform us when you get your first speeding fine.

[aff-man]

hahahahaha... ok ok! I believe you

you should come to the track... best place to test your skills.

This goes for 2SG as well. You'll find out how well your bike actually goes and if you're worried about binning get some insurance from dave at kiwibike insurance.

[Back Fire]

you should come to the track... best place to test your skills.

This goes for 2SG as well. You'll find out how well your bike actually goes and if you're worried about binning get some insurance from dave at kiwibike insurance.

how long until you stuff offon ya OE? might actually enjoy that idea

[2strokegirl]

lol yeah probly.

and yeah i want a pink one or a red one to match my flames for night riding... hmmmm can they even go on bikes??

[limbimtimwim]

nd yeah i want a pink one or a red one to match my flames for night riding... hmmmm can they even go on bikes??yes though neons are an overkill. You can just use a strip of LEDs on a bike, you have much less ground to light up than a car.

Of course you will be laughed at.

[2strokegirl]

oh yeah affman i might be going to the next one in taupo perhaps... just for a looksy even. should be fun.

another random question... any one going to the cold kiwi thingy?? never been to that before sounds prity fun though... thinking about doint the helmet dash:innocent: .. lol

[2strokegirl]

yeah i figured that. but for some reason people in gizzy love them. just thinking for safety aswell as my bike is black my leathers are black and my helmet is also black so just to be seen a little better.

[aff-man]

oh yeah affman i might be going to the next one in taupo perhaps... just for a looksy even. should be fun.

another random question... any one going to the cold kiwi thingy?? never been to that before sounds prity fun though... thinking about doint the helmet dash:innocent: .. lol

which one is that. We'll be at the racing this weekend, and I don't know what i'll be riding when the 750 goes but should be along to another one later in april or early may.

As for neon they look silly on bikes, kinda like those over sized goldwings with a bazillion lights:sick: . Some well placed superbright LED's on the otherhand may be the way to go.

As for safety... buy a yellow helmet cause only cool people have them:yes: :innocent:

[Seraph]

As for neon they look silly on bikes, kinda like those over sized goldwings with a bazillion lights:sick: . Some well placed superbright LED's on the otherhand may be the way to go.

:gob: It's all down 2 personal choice thank you!! I admit the 1 on the bottom looked kinda gay but that's not there anymore...

[gijoe1313]

Well 2SG, the dolphin's are frozen and cut into japanese bacon blocks and the kids are abused and forced into child labour ...

and as for LEDs or light blinging ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42366&highlight=LEDs

Here's me crazy contribution to the fine art! Next stop ... TRON outfit for night riding! And congrats on selling your bike for coin to buy the next one! :msn-wink:

Now...what about the lovely lilacs that dwell in the valley with the pastel coloured bunny rabbist?

[xwhatsit]

Well 2SG, the dolphin's are frozen and cut into japanese bacon blocks and the kids are abused and forced into child labour ...

and as for LEDs or light blinging ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42366&highlight=LEDs

Here's me crazy contribution to the fine art! Next stop ... TRON outfit for night riding! And congrats on selling your bike for coin to buy the next one! :msn-wink:

Now...what about the lovely lilacs that dwell in the valley with the pastel coloured bunny rabbist?

Yes! Yes! TRON costume! Just like Hitcher!

[avgas]

Oh how i long to have a smaller bike as a second.
I need something that i can lie down on the tank and go "YEAH MOTHERF....!!!!"
Rather than what i do now, grab a hand-full of throttle and scream like a little bitch.
V's scoot is fun......but its not the same. Its missing a good 100+cc.

[xwhatsit]

Oh how i long to have a smaller bike as a second.
I need something that i can lie down on the tank and go "YEAH MOTHERF....!!!!"
Rather than what i do now, grab a hand-full of throttle and scream like a little bitch.
V's scoot is fun......but its not the same. Its missing a good 100+cc.

You need a KR150. Or your old GB500 back :D

[McJim]

As for safety... buy a yellow helmet cause only cool people have them:yes: :innocent:

A yellow helmet can be a sign of a really nasty yeast infection dude.

Get some antibiotics. :rofl:

[FilthyLuka]

hey just cos a gn250 strugles to do 120 doesent mean that mine wont do 200. yours is heavy + a cruiser and its a single cylinder. dont go saying mine wont do it untill i have tryed cos if it somehow magicly it manages to do 200 or atleast 190 i will laugh in your face :lol:

a gpx250 = 138KG
a gn250 = 140 kg
a cbr900 = i dont know... feels about the 190 mark when i ride it

a gpx250 = 26 HP at the rear wheel
my gn250 = 22 HP at the rear wheel (not stock obviously, it puts out 17 stock)
my cbr900rr = 120 BHP

obviously my current motorcycles directly affect the top speed of a 250 ninja... (sarcasm)

Oh and maximum speed
gpx250: 105 mph (160 km/h)
gpx 0-100: 5.75 second

adding a tooth to the front sprocket wont add an extra 40 km/h i dont think. If you get a new exhaust and jet the carb appropriately though you can easily get that 0-100 number down. if you add more than one tooth to the front sprocket youll make it accelerate like a pig (and not a stuck one).


yours is heavy + a cruiser and its a single cylinder.

2 Kg's heavier, not a cruiser any more (new footpeg bracket to move em back, lost the come to jesus handle bars) and a cagiva mito is a single cylinder, and that hauls arse. So's a husky SM610 and that hauls arse aswell...

and i trust you didnt mean to sound snotty yes?


strugles to do 120

Not really... the vibrations just arent that nice... a stock one does however struggle to do 150... apparently a dude on this forum got it to 170 or something down a hill with some wind... lol

[Jeaves]

A yellow helmet can be a sign of a really nasty yeast infection dude.

Get some antibiotics. :rofl:

or make some vegemite :sick:

[2strokegirl]

im pretty sure theyr heavyer arnt they more like 160 standard?? well hey if a gn will do 170 il do 200 on a gpx no sweat. im just saying when i took a gn for a ride they took agz to get to 100 and it was pushing it to do 120.

4 less teeth on the back they were saying.
the cagiva is a 2 stroke isnt it?? my brothers kr150 done 180.
single 4 strokes arnt that "fast".

far out 170 on a gn.. that would of rattled the bolts loose haha

[Seraph]

far out 170 on a gn.. that would of rattled the bolts loose haha

Jesus....170 on a gn would scare the shit outa me!!!

[FilthyLuka]

im pretty sure theyr heavyer arnt they more like 160 standard?? well hey if a gn will do 170 il do 200 on a gpx no sweat. im just saying when i took a gn for a ride they took agz to get to 100 and it was pushing it to do 120.

4 less teeth on the back they were saying.
the cagiva is a 2 stroke isnt it?? my brothers kr150 done 180.
single 4 strokes arnt that "fast".

far out 170 on a gn.. that would of rattled the bolts loose haha

down a hill... lol. And no, a gn tanked up with oil and fuel weighs 140kgs. as for taking ages to get to 100, i dont know what your talking bout, mine gets to 100 in 5.4 second (its good knowing a dude with a radar gun :) )... 4 less teeth on the back is kinda the equivalent to one and a bit on the front...



single 4 strokes arnt that "fast".


i know several people that will dissagree... mainly one dude that just bought a crf450... husky sm610, 142 kilo's wet and puts out close to 75 horsepower...



well hey if a gn will do 170 il do 200 on a gpx no sweat


no, you wont. A minor gear change wont bump your top speed up 40km/h. If you want to achieve that speed but retain SOME form of acceleration, youll need to do some serious engine work and slightly more regearing...

[FilthyLuka]

far out 170 on a gn.. that would of rattled the bolts loose haha

the joys of loctite...

[Back Fire]

single 4 strokes arnt that "fast".


my DR is a single cylinder 4 stroke... and I've topped out the speedo on it... which is 180km/h... friend clocked me at 200 on it...

[Seraph]

MM just about time this thread finished isnt it? We're just sliiightly off topic..

[Back Fire]

here... the GPX...

http://www.kawasakisa.co.za/details.php?category_id=1&products_id=80

"Weight dry/wet: 138/161 kg"

"Performance stats:
0--100 km/h: 5.75 s
Maximum speed: 168 km/h
Max power: 27,9 kW @ 11000 rpm
Max Torque: 24,5 Nm @ 10000 rpm"

[mud boy]

my DR is a single cylinder 4 stroke... and I've topped out the speedo on it... which is 180km/h... friend clocked me at 200 on it...

then y does bike say something slow 200km/h thats not slow that the top speed of my RG150!!!!:shit:

[FilthyLuka]

here... the GPX...

http://www.kawasakisa.co.za/details.php?category_id=1&products_id=80

"Weight dry/wet: 138/161 kg"

"Performance stats:
0--100 km/h: 5.75 s
Maximum speed: 168 km/h
Max power: 27,9 kW @ 11000 rpm
Max Torque: 24,5 Nm @ 10000 rpm"

heh, so 138 is DRY weight... in that case HA! my bike is lighter than yours :P

lol, im done being a dick for today... have fun with your new bike and ride safe. (oh, i have only one peice of advice, when you want to find out top speed, dont stare at the speedo....)

denis

[Back Fire]

then y does bike say something slow 200km/h thats not slow that the top speed of my RG150!!!!:shit:

me no comprenda?

[mud boy]

me no comprenda?

comprenda what does that mean?

[Ixion]

Raising the gearing won't give any more top speed under neutral conditions (flat, no wind). Unless as standard the machine hits a rev limiter or red line in top. The latter would be pretty unusual and unheard of on a 250, the latter is a very artificial situation (it's not actually changing your top speed just avoiding the rev limit).

Higher gearing will allow a higher speed downhill. So if you get your jollies by seeing some magic number on the speedo, flat out down a steep hill with a tail wind , go for it. Not sure what it proves m'self.

At the sort of speeds being talked of here, wind resistance is enormously more imprtant than weight. In strict theory weight doesn't affect top speed at all, just acceleration. But in reality higher weight means a higher rolling resistance and usually wider tyres , both of which will reduce top speed.

An aerodynamic body design (the rear is more important than the front), will add anything up to 50kph to maximum speed.

Anybody on a learner's licence who is worried about top speed is a fool. And needs a nice relaxing bath in Gene-O-Kleen - "Evolution you can see". Learn to ride. Properly. Safely. Then start thinking about riding fast.

[Back Fire]

comprenda what does that mean?

it means, that I didn't understand what you meant

[mud boy]

who cares now forget it:whocares: :whocares: :whocares:

[Jantar]

here... the GPX...

http://www.kawasakisa.co.za/details.php?category_id=1&products_id=80

"Weight dry/wet: 138/161 kg"

"Performance stats:
0--100 km/h: 5.75 s
Maximum speed: 168 km/h
Max power: 27,9 kW @ 11000 rpm
Max Torque: 24,5 Nm @ 10000 rpm"

I haven't been following this thread for a while, but when I do come back I see the same old claims and the same old arguments.

Look if you want to do 200 kmh on a GPX250 then you are going to need at least 63 HP. Without going through all the maths involved here is a simple calculation for an estimate.

Power = Force * Velocity P=FV

The force to be overcome is mainly drag due to air resistance and is
D=Cd*p*V^2 Force must exceed Drag (I dont have a proportional sign on my computer so i'll use >)
so F > f(V^2)
hence
P > V^3

If the GPX250 has been tested at 28 KW (38 HP) and achieved 168 kmh
then the power required to reach 200 kmh is simply
(200/168)^3 * 38
This gives 64 HP which is pretty close to the 63 HP I'd calculated by including the estimated all up weight at 200 kg.

So 200 kmh you need 63 HP minimum.

Good luck.

[FilthyLuka]

If the GPX250 has been tested at 28 KW (38 HP) and achieved 168 kmh
then the power required to reach 200 kmh is simply
(200/168)^3 * 38
This gives 64 HP which is pretty close to the 63 HP I'd calculated by including the estimated all up weight at 200 kg.

err, yeah, in theory... However in automotive application, gearing, redlines, revlimiters and aerodynamics come into play... ixions post sums it up quite nicely

[Jantar]

err, yeah, in theory... However in automotive application, gearing, redlines, revlimiters and aerodynamics come into play... ixions post sums it up quite nicely
Exactly. Gearing can be altered by changing countershaft and rear sprockets and this also changes the speed at which the redline occurs. However if you are hitting the redline in top gear then the gearing is already too low. The basic calculation carried out above assumes no change to the aerodynamics from standard. However if the young lady has access to a wind tunnel to build a better aerodynamic shell, then good on her.

[FilthyLuka]

However if the young lady has access to a wind tunnel to build a better aerodynamic shell, then good on her.

If the young lady has access to a wind tunnel, i need to stop being an arse and get some brownie points! hehe... what to wind...

[jade]

Just so you know, I got caught out the other day for the first time like this..
coming out of long bay from the beach - coming up the hill - mate in front of me on his 250 going round this left hander, I passed him on right side and gave it some gas banked over on the left, fully spun my tyre and bucked the whole bike as I almost highsided - bucked me airbourne but holding onto the bars, thank fuck, i landed back on the bike
This was 1m in front of my mate.
pulled over straight away, thats as close as you come.
cold tyres and asking too much of them..

[2strokegirl]

a wind tunnel... sounds fun.

like i said before i dont care how fast it goes itd just be cool to shove in peoples face if i managed to get it to 200 or atleast 180.

i think we should keep this thingy going so it becomes the bigest thingy lol.

[Mr. Peanut]

With a different sprocket, you could do it downhill. Most I've seen on a GPX is 160.

(The NSR does that uphill :D)

[2strokegirl]

why does it say scooter boy under my name?? how do i change it its anoying me.