Respect the Cops? WHY! [Archive]

idleidolidyll

11th March 2007, 19:02

slopster

11th March 2007, 19:06

Interesting. I thought you still got 10kmh of lenience unless you were going past a school or just had a bad attitude.

Oakie

11th March 2007, 19:08

Mr Borrows says that way serious road behaviour would be targeted, and not "the little old ladies who are going to the supermarket".

Does it hurt less when a little old lady going to the supermarket hits you at 58kph than it does when a 'boy-racer' hits you at 58kph?
Whatever you think of quotas, they can only be filled by people breaking the law. Having a quota doesn't mean the cops are catching innocent people. They are only catching people who have decided to break the law.

cowpoos

11th March 2007, 19:09

When they are doing this (NZ Herald):

Number of traffic tickets issued soars

2:30PM Sunday March 11, 2007

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/ticket.jpg
A policeman checks the speed of motorists. Photo / Paul Taylor

The National Party has again voiced its suspicions that the police are working to a traffic ticket quota under a government-encouraged revenue gathering scheme.
The claim follows the release of statistics showing since Labour came to power the number of tickets issued for exceeding the speed limit by between six and 10 kilometres an hour has jumped from 311 in the year 2000 to more than 34,000 in 2006.
National Party Police spokesman Chester Borrows says if the police really want to stick to the quota they should give officers more recognition for catching drivers travelling more than 10 kilometres an hour over the limit.
Mr Borrows says that way serious road behaviour would be targeted, and not "the little old ladies who are going to the supermarket".
OH FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GWAD!!!!!!! WHY THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP WHINGING ABOUT THESE SILLY SILLY ISSUSE I MEan [shit caps lock was on] just slow down if you don't wanna a ticket...jebuzz!!!!

There are laws...tough shit!!!!
If you do not want a ticket slow down....but if you speed....just shut the hell up if you get a ticket....

Is there a reason why so many people push blame else where when they do something wrong??? I mean come on!!!!!

Scouse

11th March 2007, 19:13

Respect the Cops? WHY!.cos clit rickards says you should

sunhuntin

11th March 2007, 19:20

Does it hurt less when a little old lady going to the supermarket hits you at 58kph than it does when a 'boy-racer' hits you at 58kph.
Whatever you think of quotas, they can only be filled by people breaking the law. Having a quota doesn't mean the cops are catching innocent people. They are only catching people who have decided to break the law.

agreed. i do think though they should also be targetting other problem areas; stop signs, red lights [and not just with cameras either!!]

a guy on trademe had a good idea: refusing the sale of petrol to vehicles with no warrent and rego. id like to see that come in, but every single gas station would need a cop to enforce the confiscation of both car and license, and also to protect staff. my boss has nearly been hit over the head with gas bottles that couldnt be filled due to being expired.

edit: considering both vehicles being mobile, wouldnt the impact force be doubled? say, you doing 50k, oncoming vehicle collides with you, doing 58k. wouldnt that make the impact 108k?

terbang

11th March 2007, 19:26

Oh groan, more revenue collecting... Wait till Clint rickard has had his way with the police, especially those that conducted that disgracefull investigation on him, they'll all be running for cover shortly. Shamed really cos a lot of them do care about safe roads to be enjoyed by all.

j_redley

11th March 2007, 19:27

Exactly, if your breaking the law, you deserve to be ticketed. Stop trying to shift the blame for something you did wrong.

paturoa

11th March 2007, 19:41

Do you not think that the cops are dancing to the Goverment's tune?

(who did you vote for?)

Indiana_Jones

11th March 2007, 20:01

<img src="http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/jan04/icecube_011604_big.jpg">

FUCK THE PO-LICE!

-Indy

SixPackBack

11th March 2007, 20:21

[ The following exert courtesy 3 news] While there is probably? not that many bent cops they certainly stick up for each other.
Take this site for instance any negative comments see a group of them swarming batons and vaseline in hand.
I await with baited breath the up coming official report on Police behaviour [or lack of it]...its gunna be a turkey shoot:cool:

An expert who has studied police forces worldwide says a "culture of silence" can mean rogue officers are not brought into line.

The comments come in the wake of allegations of misconduct in the police force, and the recent high-profile sex trial.

Dr Tracey McIntosh, a Lecturer in Sociology at the University of Auckland, says an individual police officer's ethics can be warped by peer pressure.

Dr McIntosh says pressure on police means they often stick together and will not expose unethical behaviour to outsiders.

scumdog

11th March 2007, 20:25

scumdog

11th March 2007, 20:26

<img src="http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/jan04/icecube_011604_big.jpg">

FUCK THE PO-LICE!

-Indy

Hmm, from the other threads I thought THEY fucked YOU????

SixPackBack

11th March 2007, 20:31

SixPackBack

11th March 2007, 20:34

Meh, ehtics-schmethics, who gives a shit???

I still get paid each week, my Harley still runs and all is well with the world.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that not all is well with the world at all.
The Police need a Doctor, preferably a Surgeon!!

scumdog

11th March 2007, 20:36

Indiana_Jones

11th March 2007, 20:36

Hmm, from the other threads I thought THEY fucked YOU????

I fought the law and the law won? lol

Na, truth be told I do have respect for the pigs, most of them wanna get on with the job, no collect money for michael cullom! The precious Surplus!

-Indy

Highlander

11th March 2007, 20:37

58 in a 50 zone, 111 on the open road, breaking and entering are they all not breaking the law and punishable accordingly?

SixPackBack

11th March 2007, 20:42

58 in a 50 zone, 111 on the open road, breaking and entering are they all not breaking the law and punishable accordingly?

You work for the taxation department as well huh:whocares:

Highlander

11th March 2007, 20:46

You work for the taxation department as well huh:whocares:

Nope, just don't see the point in complaining when you get caught breaking the rules.
Travel within the speed limits and they will leave you alone.

spudchucka

11th March 2007, 20:48

Is there a reason why so many people push blame else where when they do something wrong??? I mean come on!!!!!

Sadly its become the Kiwi way.

SixPackBack

11th March 2007, 20:56

Sadly its become the Kiwi way.

Its the Kiwi way to shut up and sit down...Lambs to the slaughter.

I guess a lot of us now feel the time is right to speak up. Ticketing is often not more than a qouta or revenue collection, police seem to be increasingly corrupt [the veil of silence possibly the worst type of corruption-apathy].

And the general public increasingly does not trust the farce, and has little respect for them.

scumdog

11th March 2007, 20:59

98tls

11th March 2007, 20:59

Nope, just don't see the point in complaining when you get caught breaking the rules.
Travel within the speed limits and they will leave you alone. well said that man....................if your going to get loose expect the consequences.....................

SixPackBack

11th March 2007, 21:02

well said that man....................if your going to get loose expect the consequences.....................

BAHAHAHAHA....mate that is the most predicatable comment [usually from the cops]. But please from some one like yourself who owns a powerfull bike:gob: you never speed???

I call bullshit.

98tls

11th March 2007, 21:03

spudchucka

11th March 2007, 21:05

Its the Kiwi way to shut up and sit down...Lambs to the slaughter.

I guess a lot of us now feel the time is right to speak up. Ticketing is often not more than a qouta or revenue collection, police seem to be increasingly corrupt [the veil of silence possibly the worst type of corruption-apathy].

And the general public increasingly does not trust the farce, and has little respect for them.

Mate, if you're going to take the moral high ground on policing issues why don't you go away and actually study the issues instead of relying on the odd quote from newspaper articles. There are plenty of criminology papers through most Unis that you would find interesting. They cover these subjects in great detail from all perspectives. You may find yourself having a more complete picture of the complex issues involved.

Highlander

11th March 2007, 21:05

BAHAHAHAHA....mate that is the most predicatable comment [usually from the cops]. But please from some one like yourself who owns a powerfull bike:gob: you never speed???

I call bullshit.

He didn't say that he never speeds, just prepared to get out the cheque book rather than cry foul when he gets caught doing it.

MSTRS

11th March 2007, 21:08

What most of us object to, is the continual tightening of enforcement policy, coupled with the dirty tricks (ie photos of centreline crossing in 'open' corners as opposed to ignoring 'blind' corners) and the fact that bullshit castle is steadily whittling away the individual cop's discretion at the roadside. Let's face it, we all get a little carried away occasionally, but on a straight empty road where's the harm?

scracha

11th March 2007, 21:14

Nope, just don't see the point in complaining when you get caught breaking the rules.
Travel within the speed limits and they will leave you alone.

I never voted :-
1) to make cannabis illegal,
2) to allow 15 year olds to drive powerful vehicles,
3) to give paedophiles parole because the prisons are full,
4) to make it illegal to not blindly stick to the left hand side of the road even when it's safer to cross the centre line,
5) to let the ACC charge me 180 bucks a year for my bike
6) to let idiots drive without insurance
7) to give politicians another pay-rise
8) to let the kiwi mafia (Fulton Hogan) leave gravel all over the roads
9) to set the speed limit at 100kph

The government clearly isn't representing our wishes on many of the above rules. Why should we abide by stupid rules? Because the government says so? If Polish or East Germans had stuck to their government rules they'd be right up $hit creek without a paddle wouldn't they?

Contrary to common belief, Helen Clark and the rest of the clowns in the beehive don't run this country....we do.

Ixion

11th March 2007, 21:26

I find myself more and more needing to draw a distinction between the proper cops and the Highway Patrol. We need a perjorative name for the latter. Bananas in Pyjamas is too cute. Snakes is historical, what about scorpions? So we can abuse the scorpions without the real cops getting offended. Suggestions?

The other thing with the police that is buggering them up in public opinion is that somewhere along the line the senior cops started to be selected for their skills at politicing instead of coppering. Isn't the Deputy Commissioner a woman who never actually walked a beat ?

Unforgiven

11th March 2007, 21:38

Does it hurt less when a little old lady going to the supermarket hits you at 58kph than it does when a 'boy-racer' hits you at 58kph?
Whatever you think of quotas, they can only be filled by people breaking the law. Having a quota doesn't mean the cops are catching innocent people. They are only catching people who have decided to break the law.

It hurts the same, but the tickets arn't the same. quotas or not it aint the old lady that gets the 8km over ticket. Anyone under 30 is a boy/girl racer these days, it doesnt matter what/how you drive you will get 'random' checks and petty tickets.
If im speeding and get a ticket, fair enough, but the police need to pull people ove for other offences too, like tailgating and failing to give way. Thats what kills people, not going 109 in the middle of nowhere with little or no traffic.

spudchucka

11th March 2007, 21:38

Isn't the Deputy Commissioner a woman who never actually walked a beat ?

http://www.police.govt.nz/about/structure.html

Deputy Commissioner Provost.

Quartermile

11th March 2007, 21:43

I never voted :-
1) to make cannabis illegal,
2) to allow 15 year olds to drive powerful vehicles,
3) to give paedophiles parole because the prisons are full,
4) to make it illegal to not blindly stick to the left hand side of the road even when it's safer to cross the centre line,
5) to let the ACC charge me 180 bucks a year for my bike
6) to let idiots drive without insurance
7) to give politicians another pay-rise
8) to let the kiwi mafia (Fulton Hogan) leave gravel all over the roads
9) to set the speed limit at 100kph

The government clearly isn't representing our wishes on many of the above rules. Why should we abide by stupid rules? Because the government says so? If Polish or East Germans had stuck to their government rules they'd be right up $hit creek without a paddle wouldn't they?

Contrary to common belief, Helen Clark and the rest of the clowns in the beehive don't run this country....we do.

Well said but, actually they do run the country, technically with this democracy they shouldn't but that seem to be the way NZ s going,

'the people should not fear their government, it is the government that should be afraid of the people'

Grub

11th March 2007, 21:47

Do you not think that the cops are dancing to the Goverment's tune?

Who cares???? What would that tune be do you think? To stop people yuing on the roads perhaps? Shame on them!

The road toll HAS come down, what they're doing IS working

So to all the winjas .... shut up and take note.

Ixion

11th March 2007, 21:49

Says the man with the 200+kph sprotsbike :rofl:

98tls

11th March 2007, 22:17

This has to be once again the most repetitive thread............if you dont like cops dont do anthing wrong..........how simple is it.............an hour or 3 ago i got back from a balls out awsme ride through some of the best twisty bits in NZ............no tickets...............why...........work it out dip-shit........anyone who posts a thread like this on a web-site needs there head rread........tell ya what.....go be a cop for a weekend and then post your dribble...........

Mr. Peanut

11th March 2007, 22:28

Yes, police could be more judicious, 8 kph over on a deserted road type scenarios are ridiculous, unless someone is acting in a manner that could be seen as dangerous you're just revenue collecting.

You have to cater for the lowest common denominator. The problem is, most (surviving) motorcyclists would be in the top 5% or so of drivers that can safely exceed the speed limit, as we have an intuitive knowledge of road condition, situation avoidence and so on and so forth.

So speed limits are a bit irrelevant, no one wants to kill themselves.

But do you really want the other 95% flying round the wrong side of the road?

Lou Girardin

12th March 2007, 05:49

Interesting. I thought you still got 10kmh of lenience unless you were going past a school or just had a bad attitude.

So your attitude governs the seriousness of an offence?
An interesting new concept in justice.

spudchucka

12th March 2007, 05:49

Says the man with the 200+kph sprotsbike :rofl:

Most motor vehicles are capable of well and truly exceeding the speed limit, (not just sprotsbikes) so that must make anyone who owns one a potential road criminal and therefore a hypocrite if they support any road policing measures.

Sort of the same as how having a dick makes you a potential rapist.

Lou Girardin

12th March 2007, 05:51

SixPackBack

12th March 2007, 05:54

Sort of the same as how having a dick makes you a potential rapist.

That only applies to the Police. All guilty by association for hearing the rumours about Rickard and co and doing nothing about it!!

spudchucka

12th March 2007, 05:55

So your attitude governs the seriousness of an offence?
An interesting new concept in justice.

Seriousness of offence..... No.

Cops use of discretion....... Maybe.

spudchucka

12th March 2007, 06:06

That only applies to the Police. All guilty by association for hearing the rumours about Rickard and co and doing nothing about it!!

Like I said elsewhere, the majority of today's serving police members either weren't born or were just kids in the 80's. But of course they all knew about it way back then and didn't say anything because they knew that one day they'd want to join the police.

What percentage of the 500 or so cops from that time who are still serving would have had any knowledge of his antics?

You're becoming the master of generalisation.

James Deuce

12th March 2007, 06:14

Who cares???? What would that tune be do you think? To stop people yuing on the roads perhaps? Shame on them!

The road toll HAS come down, what they're doing IS working

So to all the winjas .... shut up and take note.

The road toll dropped because the price of petrol went up. As people get used to spending more of the household budget on distilled petroleum spirits, the road toll will go back to it's previous minimum and slowly exceed those minimums as the population increases.

The only thing that has made a significant dent in the NZ road toll in the last 40 years is compulsory seat belts.

Do not confuse one blip on a trend for a minimum number of road deaths in the mid-late 400s with proof that the road toll is dropping.

spudchucka

12th March 2007, 06:17

When they are doing this (NZ Herald):

Number of traffic tickets issued soars

[/URL]2:30PM Sunday March 11, 2007

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/ticket.jpg
A policeman checks the speed of motorists. Photo / Paul Taylor

The National Party has again voiced its suspicions that the police are working to a traffic ticket quota under a government-encouraged revenue gathering scheme.
The claim follows the release of statistics showing since Labour came to power the number of tickets issued for exceeding the speed limit by between six and 10 kilometres an hour has jumped from 311 in the year 2000 to more than 34,000 in 2006.
National Party Police spokesman Chester Borrows says if the police really want to stick to the quota they should give officers more recognition for catching drivers travelling more than 10 kilometres an hour over the limit.
Mr Borrows says that way serious road behaviour would be targeted, and not "the little old ladies who are going to the supermarket".

Anyone remember the thread about the cops targeting people speeding near schools?

As I recall there was quite strong support for the initiative.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3989569a10.html (http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/email/index.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10428228)

Police have netted more than $1 million in one year from drivers hovering just over the speed limit, [U]most of them caught in a campaign against school-zone speedsters.

The usual tolerance for speeds up to 10kmh over the speed limit was reduced to 5kmh in school zones in February last year. The focus was set firmly on patrolling these zones and, as a consequence, infringement notices issued rose by 27,404 tickets on the previous year.

So, the cops tell the public what they are going to target, the public are stupid enough to get caught doing what the cops just told them they were going to target and then for some reason it becomes news.

The headline should read "Brainless public contribute $1m towards Helen's extreme makeover".

idleidolidyll

12th March 2007, 06:21

Swoop

12th March 2007, 07:16

Contrary to common belief, Helen Clark and the rest of the clowns in the beehive don't run this country....we do.
I used to think that as well...
However, every few years the politicians come out and sucker the public into thinking just that... and the public believe this.
Another government gets voted in, then the politicians go off and do their own thing once more, without heeding the words of those who elected them.

idleidolidyll

12th March 2007, 07:24

those who 5think this is all helen clarks fault have rocks in their heads and very short memories; national is even more abusive and self serving

Boob Johnson

12th March 2007, 09:00

I actually agree with BOTH sides of this one.

On one hand if you speed & get caught, suck it up, thats life & it has consequences (had my fair share of tickets over the years) :yes: :innocent:

BUT! The cops ARE revenue collecting and that DOES suck.

Why?

Simple answer?

Intentions. They are fully on the look out to ping you where ever possible with $$$ signs in their eyes. Apply the same to say..........a doctor?

Oh wait, they do that too :brick:

scracha

12th March 2007, 09:09

The only thing that has made a significant dent in the NZ road toll in the last 40 years is compulsory seat belts.

Do not confuse one blip on a trend for a minimum number of road deaths in the mid-late 400s with proof that the road toll is dropping.

Spot on. I guess advances in vehicle safety and medical procedures also had a significant effect.

I guess what everyone is in agreement about is that the traffic cops appear to be on a revenue gathering excercise. They no longer appear to be allowed to practice "discretion".

Not many people on this forum have a problem with someone getting a ticket for riding/driving through towns at 58kph.

I personally can't figure how doing 120kph on a deserted open road warrants the same penalty as dong 70kph through a town centre or past a school. Surely if the cops can't apply discretion the law should be changed so that the fine/points are related to the percentage above the speed limit (like in other civilised countries).

At the end of the day coppers are just servants of the government. As long as the government blindly carries on ignoring "real crime" and the real causes of road accidents then they have to keep issuing us voters speeding tickets.

It's a matter of money for Helen and her cronies. Catching "real crims" costs money. Improving the poor driver training costs money. Cameras that catch tailgaters costs money. Centre barriers cost money. Getting decent road contractors costs money.

Catching the evil barstewards who drive at 120kph with hidden speed cameras brings in money.

Riff Raff

12th March 2007, 09:31

Hey folks - when moving this thread I accidently put it into Pointless Drivel. Was not my intention. It will be restored to it's rightful place when a more senior mod gets my PM.

Squeak the Rat

12th March 2007, 13:50

Bloody ambos, can't trust them! :lol:

Some serious comments to justify this post:

Police discretion is becoming a thing of the past because of

The shit they get into when they get something wrong
Performance targets, quotas, call them what you will.

Speed enforcement has the most effective return. While it's really cool to see the cops staking out schools, once again they aren't targetting all bad drivers - the campaign is purely about speed.

Ixion

12th March 2007, 14:14

Most motor vehicles are capable of well and truly exceeding the speed limit, (not just sprotsbikes) so that must make anyone who owns one a potential road criminal and therefore a hypocrite if they support any road policing measures.

Sort of the same as how having a dick makes you a potential rapist.
Yep. Hypocrite or wastrel, I guess. If you are never going to exceed 100kph, why have a vehicle capable of double that? I guess one reason might be towing. But that hardly applies to bikes. So I find it hard not to lift an eyebrow when someone on a powerful bike claims never to exceed 100kph.

Paul in NZ

12th March 2007, 14:23

There are lies, damn lies and statistics

The latest fugures also contain this...

National road policing manager Superintendent Dave Cliff said he made no apologies for the increase. It had come as a direct result of a Speed Kills Kids campaign targeting speeding outside schools.

The usual tolerance for speeds up to 10kmh over the speed limit was reduced to 5kmh in school zones in February last year. The focus was set firmly on patrolling these zones and, as a consequence, infringement notices issued rose by 27,404 tickets on the previous year.

In total, 70,000 speeding tickets were issued around schools in 2006.

Its been clearly publicised - no tolerance around schools.

No problem from me.

Forest

12th March 2007, 15:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-_AVS5w8k&mode=related&search=

Talk about cause and effect! That clip was comedy gold. :rofl:

"I mean he can't do shit to you man"

scumdog

12th March 2007, 15:40

Twenty years since I paid my last 'tax' to the 'revenue gatherers'..

Why is this so and am I doing something wrong???:wait:

Freakshow

12th March 2007, 15:50

Nothing wrong with what they are doing. I know plenty of people out there that have been stung. I dont care if people think of me as a good or bad rider. Kids are unpredicatable and in bulk they get excited and who knows what could happen. Even a good drive could turn a kid into a hood ornament.
The fact that they have made $1 million is some thing to laugh at as that shows how many dumb New Zealanders are out there. The cops have addvertised that they are doing this, and they arent hiding. I would rather the cops hiding around schools than on quiet empty road, thats a waste of time.

The Pastor

12th March 2007, 16:00

actually, i'd rather pay high speeding fines and no tax rather than pay high tax and high speeding fines....

mstriumph

12th March 2007, 16:22

Twenty years since I paid my last 'tax' to the 'revenue gatherers'..

Why is this so .........................:wait:

......... professional courtesy? :innocent:

SPman

12th March 2007, 16:35

Who cares???? What would that tune be do you think? To stop people yuing on the roads perhaps? Shame on them!

The road toll HAS come down, what they're doing IS working

So to all the winjas .... shut up and take note.

The road toll has come down, predominantly,through vastly safer and better engineered vehicles.
A crash that was likely to kill you at 80kph in, say, a Mk 2 Zephyr, could now see you walking away without a scratch in a modern vehicle, with stronger central pods, crumple zones, air bags, seat belts, etc, let alone a better chance of avoiding it altogether, with far better suspension, brakes, things like ABS, and now Vehicle Stability Control.
Massively enhanced and enforced policing has done squat all to reduce fatality rates! Vastly better engineered vehicles, has.

Morcs

12th March 2007, 16:45

Why are we even debating this?

Cops shouldnt be so eager to give out tickets full stop.

everytime i think that i could be mugged or my house is being burgled or whatever, that what seems like the majority of coppers are sat on the side of the motorway.

scumdog

12th March 2007, 16:50

......... professional courtesy? :innocent:

Doubt it- haven't been in the job that long.

And never got one prior to that 'ticket'

For those bad with maths it means I've only had the one ticket for speeding.

Edbear

12th March 2007, 18:02

I see a lot of you just don't get it but others do.

It aint just about whining for getting caught, in fact I don't often get caught and when i do, i pay up.

The issue is that road policing does NOT seem to be about safety but about revenue.
If it were about safety surely we'd see less cops and speed camera vans hiding in wait on straight, well surfaced clear visibility roads and more chasing after all those offences we see every day that really ARE an indicator to a driver likely to cause injury opr death: red light running, changing lanes without signalling, failure to give way etc etc.

Further, with the police force combined, i'd MUCH racther see more focus on preventing and solcing property crimes, theft, burglary etc than chasing down people for breaking the arbitray speed limits when it is actually safe to speed. Speed does NOT kill, bad driving kills. If speed killed, every F1 driver and GP1 motorcyclist would be dead already.

A couple of valid points here! I do shake my head each time I see the red van parked at the bottom of Schedewy's hill at the start of the passing lane ready to catch anyone overtaking the inevitable incompetent who's held up traffic along Windy Ridge at 60-70kp/h and down the hill at 40kp/h, then speeds up to 110 along the passing lane! Or waiting at the top of the passing lane two before Kaiwaka for the same reason.

In the Rodney County, speed is not the issue, but really bad drivers who cannot travel on the open road within 20kp/h of the speed limit, braking for all the corners and generally weaving over the road then speeding up on the passing lanes 'cause they feel safer and causing road-rage whereby following traffic makes silly and unsafe passing moves! Worst was the old guy who was doing 45kp/h and slowed down when he saw a patrol car parked on the side of the road! Despite having a 2km queue behind him, the Cop just watched us all crawl by and did nothing about it! I reported him on *555 when I finally managed to pass him up Schedewy's hill!

Personally I feel no need for a detector and generally drive/ride according to the law. If I ever get a ticket, it will probably be because of momentary inattention and I support the Police in most things having no complaints with the way I've been treated any time I've met one!

Indoo

12th March 2007, 18:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-_AVS5w8k&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_gFJJXLv28&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNiZrcAVLHo&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53ky3RIjfU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYzKlmHwbqg&mode=related&search=

It goes on and on.

Hitler had fuck all on the modern Police department.

So let me get this straight, you searched youtube for Police + Brutality and got a few crappy videos from America some of which were staged involving actors? This is somehow comparable to brutally killing a few million people how?

Your stupid, I mean really pigshit dumb shouldn't be breathing stupid.

mstriumph

12th March 2007, 18:25

Doubt it- haven't been in the job that long.

And never got one prior to that 'ticket'

For those bad with maths it means I've only had the one ticket for speeding.

erm ..... if i'da thought it was a possibility i wouldn'ta said it .....

terbang

12th March 2007, 18:54

Its not really a police problem, yup there are one or two jackbooted twats out there giving them a bad name, but all walks of life have that too. They just have a job to do and road duties are part of it. I am sure if I was a copper I would rather chase robbers and the likes than face the brains of Joe bloggs splattered all over the place amidst a hefty sprinkling of his mates dismembered arms and legs! All because he couldn't get a grip on himself and his powerful machine. kudos to all you cops, fireys and ambos in this instance. The people we should be attacking are the sandal wearing, soft cock (Reckon she's got one of those too) politicians and their ilk who use the police as a political lever, abuse the road laws themselves and collect revenue. Road safety doesn't even enter their realm of thought, they take the money and the cops take the blame... They are the revenue collectors while the police, the front line, do give a shit about safety. How could they not after what they see. Shame about their bosses eh..!
I ride a bike that can double, no triple the open road speed limit and quite frankly, if I choose to ride it to it's full potential, then it aint a cop that I should be at risk of. Its myself..

unhingedlizard

12th March 2007, 19:08

Granted I have only been riding 11years but have only one ticket. Coming back from wanganui on boxing day, 117 overtaking.

Should have realised the police would be targeting bikers. A "friend" I know has been passed two traffic cops at 130, (GSXR400, Taka's), (TDR250, Otorohanga) and they have done sweet FA. Both on open roads, little to no traffic.

kro

12th March 2007, 19:55

Its not really a police problem, yup there are one or two jackbooted twats out there giving them a bad name, but all walks of life have that too.

Nicely said. Anywhere you go, you will encounter people in professions, some of whom, suck copious amounts of donkey dick, whilst the majority are mucho grande. Picking on cops is like picking on the fat kid at school......easy target, and 99% of the time, unwarranted.

I dare not say how long it's been since my last speeding ticket, the mods will change my username to "Grandad"

undietaker

12th March 2007, 20:20

only ever had 4 tickets in ** years, but as they say in Jay & Silent Bob "Fuck, Fuck, Fuck the police" . I wouldnt have their job, but they have lost so much respect over the last 25 years, what is their problem. Last time he said, youve got a big bike why did you stop. Next time I didnt, no apologies.

spudchucka

12th March 2007, 21:15

Yep. Hypocrite or wastrel, I guess. If you are never going to exceed 100kph, why have a vehicle capable of double that? I guess one reason might be towing. But that hardly applies to bikes. So I find it hard not to lift an eyebrow when someone on a powerful bike claims never to exceed 100kph.

I don't believe that was claimed by anybody.

candor

12th March 2007, 21:37

How CAN people think this is not wrong. All these Police resources and hours wasted on trivial pursuits. Its not about - you broke the law so you deserve it so shut up.

Not sticking up for speeding due to any vested interest cos I don't. Well only got one in last year anyhoo. Cop was angry - came out as if against me for objecting but I think it was projected anger as i was really with the Dept or with himself for humiliating himself by having to do it. OK too much analysis.

Its just there are a dozen other tasks they would be better deployed on for societies sake and safety. Thats what is so nauseating about it all.

How would we like it if nurses spent all day on low priority jobs like discussing menu choices with patients rather than getting the real work like pill rounds done?

To me this is no different - there are many safety issues needing dealing with on the road (ranking far higher than speed) and if the Cops are pressured to deliver hourly speed tickets or hang about school vicinity where only 2 kids have been killed in 10 years they don't have time to save lives where the real action is needed, do they.

We are short of Cops. What does the Govt not get about this. So how can it be justified to waste their great talents and dedication on taxation. Just raise rego fees if you're feeling greedy - much more honest and then the Cops can be freed up to do some real result getting work and to "get some better work stories" than "Mavis the Ministers wife ws 5k over and you shoulda seen the look on he maniacs face - I had to stop her, had to save her future vics".

Could it be that crash investigations are crap like the Auckland school bus with the out of it driver that hurt 19 kids (cause covered up), and the trucky who killed a pedestrian last year in CHCH but was not breathalysed....

because 99% of Cops are assigned to ticketing people who've hurt no-one and likely never will!! Just maybe?

kro

13th March 2007, 05:42

SixPackBack

13th March 2007, 06:16

So let me get this straight, you searched youtube for Police + Brutality and got a few crappy videos from America some of which were staged involving actors? This is somehow comparable to brutally killing a few million people how?

Your stupid, I mean really pigshit dumb shouldn't be breathing stupid.

I do not expect you to agree but less of the abuse

The_Dover

13th March 2007, 06:44

because 99% of Cops are assigned to ticketing people who've hurt no-one and likely never will!! Just maybe?

and the other 1% are out on Gang Bang duty.

Clockwork

13th March 2007, 07:09

There is no excuse for speeding near schools....

Ever!!

(Unless you are a Police Officer responding to an emergency call, in which case 65kph over the limit is acceptable)

Clockwork

13th March 2007, 07:12

Oops, my bad! It was the court that was to blame for the bollocks..... not the Police.

Squeak the Rat

13th March 2007, 07:27

Man I would hate to go in front of a jury of some of you lot, if I was wrongly arrested for a crime..... your prejudices are staggering. Anyone got any proof of this quota?, or just a bit of hearsay?.

As has been mentioned, if you don't speed, you don't get stung. My 8 year daughter has a better concept of that that some of you whingers. Sheesh.
Only leaked police memos and interviews with top district brass. In one interview with a district commander on National Radio he admitted there were performance targets that officers would be reprimanded if they failed to meet, then denied that this was a quota.

Most of us don't have a problem if we get busted for 58kph outside a school. But we do have a problem when just around the corner dangerous driving of a non-speeding nature is being allowed to go unpunished, and crimes that have actually affected people are given a low priority or ignored.

It's good to see the party brainwashing is working though......

Swoop

13th March 2007, 08:12

and the other 1% are out on Gang Bang duty.
Hell of a choice for the :Police:...
Dunkin Donut's duty OR Gang bang duty...

Decisions, decisions.... :lol:

Squeak the Rat

13th March 2007, 08:13

Hell of a choice for the :Police:...
Dunkin Donut's duty OR Gang bang duty...

Decisions, decisions.... :lol:

Sounds like they'd go well together.....

Fatjim

13th March 2007, 10:14

I do not expect you to agree but less of the abuse

You're less than stupid then.

Fatjim

13th March 2007, 10:15

Sounds like they'd go well together.....
It's harder to push a bottle through a donut.

Pixie

13th March 2007, 10:26

Does it hurt less when a little old lady going to the supermarket hits you at 58kph than it does when a 'boy-racer' hits you at 58kph?
Whatever you think of quotas, they can only be filled by people breaking the law. Having a quota doesn't mean the cops are catching innocent people. They are only catching people who have decided to break the law.

All this post proves is that you have fallen for the bullshit line that 8km over the limit will inevitably lead to an accident.
When it is more to the point that the little old lady is more likely to run you over at 38 km/h because her driving problem is likely to be related to her age and the fact that she no longer needs to show her age hasn't affected her driving skills.

Swoop

13th March 2007, 10:48

It's harder to push a bottle through a donut.
So that is what the long baton is used for!!! Carrying LOTS of donuts!!!
What a clever invention and cunningly hidden as a piece of police issue equipment!:rofl:

terbang

13th March 2007, 14:02

All this post proves is that you have fallen for the bullshit line that 8km over the limit will inevitably lead to an accident.

Correct, I agree 8 kays over isn't much and perhaps our speed limits are too low. Slow old granny or stupid Boy racer or having a sleep on the job joe bloggs, doesn't matter they are likely to be at fault if they run someone down while exceeding the current speed limit.
It is those that set the limits that we need to prove to that we as a responsible society can operate safely with a higher speed limit (argh bugger more statistics) by sacrificing some legislation (relax on speed limit) for a bit more education (improved driver licencing and continued competency checking). There will be some fine examples of higher speed limits overseas and even better examples of driver training and licencing that we could use in any serious sort of campaign. Shooting the messenger, whilst its fun, will get nothing changed.

kro

13th March 2007, 15:50

Only leaked police memos and interviews with top district brass. In one interview with a district commander on National Radio he admitted there were performance targets that officers would be reprimanded if they failed to meet, then denied that this was a quota.

Dick Smith have performance targets.... come to think about, my mate at Harvey Normans said they did too.... hmm, come to think of it, any company that wants to stay afloat will have a budget to meet.

Most of us don't have a problem if we get busted for 58kph outside a school. But we do have a problem when just around the corner dangerous driving of a non-speeding nature is being allowed to go unpunished, and crimes that have actually affected people are given a low priority or ignored.
Those crimes go unpunished because of petty crime, like speeding, takes up such a huge amount of the polices time....I would wager large sums that if everyone stuck to the limits, the rate of capture of all those offenders, and much more, would skyrocket. You're the reason these things go un-noticed, because of your sliding scale of illegality.......... the fact is, its all one flat line, crime is crime sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

It's good to see the party brainwashing is working though......

Lost me there, but I will smile and nod like I understand. :yes:

scumdog

13th March 2007, 15:50

Hell of a choice for the :Police:...
Dunkin Donut's duty OR Gang bang duty...

Decisions, decisions.... :lol:

Well as long as we still get paid by you lot every fortnight I can live with that dilema:lol: :D :killingme :2thumbsup :laugh:

Guitana

13th March 2007, 15:54

I'm always nice to Mr Policeman!!!
It cracks me up when people get pulled up for breaking the law they know they're guilty but take it out on the fuzz cos they got sprung!!!!
Then they end up burying themselves deeper in the shite cos the coppers now checking for wof and rego etc!!!!DOH!!!!
It's not worth the hassle you can't win, take your medicine and pay the fine Laws are there to protect the community on a whole!!!!
You can always go home and cry in your pillow later!!!!:bye: :bye: :bye:

Guitana

13th March 2007, 15:55

Well as long as we still get paid by you lot every fortnight I can live with that dilema:lol: :D :killingme :2thumbsup :laugh:

Do you eat large amounts of donuts Scummy????

scumdog

13th March 2007, 15:56

!
You can always go home and cry in your pillow later!!!!:bye: :bye: :bye:

Or rant on KB like most of 'em do!!:shutup:

Squeak the Rat

13th March 2007, 16:02

Or rant on KB like most of 'em do!!:shutup:

Well it's in Rant or Rave! Put it in meek and sullen and I'll go and squeak in the corner......

I'm off to speed home in auckland gridlock. Lets see ya ticket me at 22kph you bastards :scooter:

idleidolidyll

13th March 2007, 16:33

Nobody has picked up on one of my comments here: the one that quoted the boss of the coppers a coupla years back saying that "of course they wouldn't prosecute people for speeding while overtaking"

Says it all for me, the bastards regularly ping cars and bikes for speeding just as they pull in after an overtaking move.

liars and hypocrites, respect is earned and as it aint happened yet no respect is due

scracha

13th March 2007, 18:17

I do not expect you to agree but less of the abuse

And if you're gonna tell someone they're dumb at least get the apostrophie in the correct place.

Oakie

13th March 2007, 19:14

All this post proves is that you have fallen for the bullshit line that 8km over the limit will inevitably lead to an accident.

Actually I don't think I've ever seen that line and I don't think higher speed makes an accident inevitable. It just increases the odds. I've seen the line that says 'the faster you go, the bigger the mess' though.
I guess town speed limits are as much for pedestrian safety as ours and with the potential surviveability of an accident from a pedestrian's perspective dropping markedly above 50kph (like from 55% at 50kph to 15% at 60kph), I guess that a speed limit of 50kph in town is probably at the 'sweet point' where traffic can still move around fairly efficiently without threatening too much mayhem.
I'm not claiming to be a saint and I probably travel at about 10kph over the limit for a large part of the time (except around schools) but what I am saying is that I won't disrespect the cops for picking me up at 58kph when I know the limit is 50kph, regardless of how reasonable or not I believe that limit to be.
Next step down this argument is "C'mon constable, givvus a break. The light had only just turned red when I went through the intersection"

Quartermile

13th March 2007, 19:49

So that is what the long baton is used for!!! Carrying LOTS of donuts!!!
What a clever invention and cunningly hidden as a piece of police issue equipment!:rofl:

Can also be used as an instrument in their gang bangs :shit::shutup:

Guitana

14th March 2007, 07:17

Can also be used as an instrument in their gang bangs :shit::shutup:

Do they come in a vibrator???????

Fatjim

14th March 2007, 07:43

no but the tazer has a clever attachment.

Guitana

14th March 2007, 09:12

no but the tazer has a clever attachment.

Do tell Fatjim!! W:shit: hat attachment is that?? Nipple clamps???

Quartermile

14th March 2007, 09:50

no I think there is insert slots in the bottom of the baton for the tazer hooks:shit:............................dirty police:buggerd:

Patrick

17th March 2007, 09:01

The problem is, most (surviving) motorcyclists would be in the top 5% or so of drivers that can safely exceed the speed limit, as we have an intuitive knowledge of road condition, situation avoidence and so on and so forth.

There lies the problem... that is what nearly everyone (biker or cage/truck/bus/taxi/boyracer) thinks of their own driving ability...

Patrick

17th March 2007, 09:09

I see a lot of you just don't get it but others do.

Further, with the police force combined, i'd MUCH racther see more focus on preventing and solcing property crimes, theft, burglary etc than chasing down people for breaking the arbitray speed limits when it is actually safe to speed. Speed does NOT kill, bad driving kills. If speed killed, every F1 driver and GP1 motorcyclist would be dead already.

Funny how little importance on life is in this thread...

400 odd at least die on the roads every year, thoudsands seriously injured and hospitalised, on tax payer ACC... but hey, thats OK.

F1 and GP1 has its rare share of death, but the difference there is if something goes wrong, everyone is heading in the same direction... unlike that on the roads around these parts.

Property crime doesn't kill... but that is what many want to see all Police targetting ...:zzzz:

Quartermile

17th March 2007, 09:13

Would have to agree with that as I have notced that from riding a bike you pick up so much more from your surroundings and are a much more aware person on the road:yes: ,

as what would be a dent in your car is actually you getting thrown off your bike, would be good if all cagers had to ride one first or something.........never going to hapen though:(

Patrick

17th March 2007, 09:16

everytime i think that i could be mugged or my house is being burgled or whatever, that what seems like the majority of coppers are sat on the side of the motorway.

Down here, there are 9 traffic cops... the other 100 deal with the crime... Snakes are the massive minority in EVERY town or city....

The biggest problem is that a few years ago, any stop was a "contact." If a ticket was issued, so be it. Now, the contact has been taken away and the bosses DEMAND 1 ticket per hour.

Patrick

17th March 2007, 09:26

Well it's in Rant or Rave! Put it in meek and sullen and I'll go and squeak in the corner......

I'm off to speed home in auckland gridlock. Lets see ya ticket me at 22kph you bastards :scooter:

So you're the cause... driving at 22kmph holding everyone else up...

Quartermile

17th March 2007, 09:48

Down here, there are 9 traffic cops... the other 100 deal with the crime... Snakes are the massive minority in EVERY town or city....

The biggest problem is that a few years ago, any stop was a "contact." If a ticket was issued, so be it. Now, the contact has been taken away and the bosses DEMAND 1 ticket per hour.

Doesn't surprise me with the ticketing :Police:

James Deuce

17th March 2007, 10:07

400 odd at least die on the roads every year, thoudsands seriously injured and hospitalised, on tax payer ACC... but hey, thats OK.

You can't fix that without driver training. Ticketing people for speeding is literally the ambulance at the bottom of the hill.

The biggest dangers for motorcyclists are:

1. Riding in groups - So we should train motorcyclists extensively in group riding.

2. Riding by themselves - Usually single vehicle cornering accidents - so we should train motorcyclists extensively on how to read and ride corners correctly.

3. Intersections - We should train all road users to treat Intersections as war zones where everyone could be killed at a moments notice. That includes side roads intersecting with major highways and motorway on-ramps. Snakes should target Intersections, indication, and WoF compliance (ignoring whether or not the window ticket says the car/bike/truck has a WoF) ahead of speed, as this is where and how the majority of injury accidents take place.

It isn't OK that 400 die, as many of us have said, over, and over, and over. However the BIGGEST economic cost is generated by MVA injuries, and motorcyclists are represented higher in there because other road users in NZ do not value the lives of the people they share the road with.

The biggest educational challenge facing NZ is teaching other people to stop using their vehicles as weapons.

But none of that means anything to "the powers that be" because they are utterly convinced that speed and drink driving are the biggest contributors to economic costs of MVAs. They're not, it's just that the metrics for measuring those causes are very easy to define and require NO EFFORT to enforce.

Edbear

17th March 2007, 10:09

and the bosses DEMAND 1 ticket per hour.

Why? I try to think that people have a reason for what they say and think, and I'm certain that everyone here will insist they have valid reasons for their particular views. So, why have the "powers that be" decided to insist on ticketing? Do they genuinely believe that the warnings are not getting the results and that actual ticketing is the only way to get the message across?

I know this theory will not be popular with the "revenue gathering" claims but maybe it has some relevance?

Edbear

17th March 2007, 10:14

You can't fix that without driver training. Ticketing people for speeding is literally the ambulance at the bottom of the hill.

A valid post, Jim2, but the fact is that driver training costs, big time and someone has to pay for it and do it. Need trainers, for example. Another problem is that many youngsters are getting training and are doing well, but it's the older drivers, in their 20's and 30's who are causing much of the mayhem!

I drive every day and believe me, the worst drivers, apart from the elderly, are white or Asian males in their 20's and 30's. I see this every day and it's not being prejudiced to say this. Close second are young women on cellphones!

Ralph

17th March 2007, 10:16

O.k. the cops get a lot of shit from the public and sometimes they deserve it!

But i've meet more good cops than bad ones but they've all had one thing in
common (the one's I've meet) and thats how they speak down to the public and think they're above the law and show very little respect to the public if any, thats why I don't respect them.

As for giving out more tickets for 0-10km over the limit which they've never done before, course it's all about the money!
They aren't making what they used to from drink drivers and serious speeding.

It just ticks me off that they're suppose to set an example but then then you
see them go around a round about not indicating and talking on a cell phone!! :nono:

James Deuce

17th March 2007, 10:21

A valid post, Jim2, but the fact is that driver training costs, big time and someone has to pay for it and do it. Need trainers, for example. Another problem is that many youngsters are getting training and are doing well, but it's the older drivers, in their 20's and 30's who are causing much of the mayhem!

I drive every day and believe me, the worst drivers, apart from the elderly, are white or Asian males in their 20's and 30's. I see this every day and it's not being prejudiced to say this. Close second are young women on cellphones!

I've always said getting a license in NZ is too cheap. Like most things that are free, people don't value it enough.

There's always things to put in the way, but it needs to happen, and people need to be taught how to Drive/Ride, NOT how to pass a license exam.

candor

17th March 2007, 11:31

I have seen treasury documents and reports from economists that say a ticket an hour or more is the 'break even' mark to pay each road police persons wage and gas and expenses.

If Government was remotely interested in reducing speed or actually believed it would make any difference to the toll they would use the fines money pinched in a year to install speed limiters in all vehicles. That only costs a couple of hundred.

They intend meeting their targets to lower the toll by soon getting 15 year olds off the road. An excellent source tells me an announcement is coming to raise the age to 16. This should knock a few off the toll and the savings will be attributed to speed enforcement.

James Deuce

17th March 2007, 11:33

An excellent source tells me an announcement is coming to raise the age to 16. This should knock a few off the toll and the savings will be attributed to speed enforcement.

Bugger, because even though I support the age increase, it's not them crashing, it's the 19-24 lot.

Highlander

17th March 2007, 11:41

An excellent source tells me an announcement is coming to raise the age to 16.

We have teen aged kids going through the licence process, and when I rang LTSA recently to query the likely hood of driver licence age increasing, I was told they get several call each day about this, and it is just a rumour. Not even being considered.

Ixion

17th March 2007, 11:49

...

Property crime doesn't kill... but that is what many want to see all Police targetting ...:zzzz:

I must say that if there is one aspect of police attitude that infuriates me it is this decriminalisation of "property crime". "Property crime" (so called) often does kill. There have been many instances where a burglary has escalated into a bashing and death. There is probably a good deal more likelihood that a burglary will lead to injury or death than that a random motorist exceeding 100kph will.

And apart from the cases where actual homicide results, burglaries can still destroy lives in more subtle ways. I know of many cases where elderly people have had their peace of mind and confidence so devasted by burglary and home invasion that they have effectively lost the ability to continue independant living.

I do not know anyone who lies awake at night because they are afraid of speeding drivers. I do know old folk who do not sleep at night , at all, because they are too frightened to. Frightened because of experience of "property crime".

Burglary is NOT a trivial non-crime and the police attitude that people should just accept it and not complain makes me very angry.

Guitana

17th March 2007, 12:32

spudchucka

17th March 2007, 16:02

Why? I try to think that people have a reason for what they say and think, and I'm certain that everyone here will insist they have valid reasons for their particular views. So, why have the "powers that be" decided to insist on ticketing? Do they genuinely believe that the warnings are not getting the results and that actual ticketing is the only way to get the message across?

I know this theory will not be popular with the "revenue gathering" claims but maybe it has some relevance?

Sadly there are studies that have shown that warnings have no long term affect on altering driver behaviour. The police bosses, strangely enough, can quote the results verbatim.

spudchucka

17th March 2007, 16:06

I have seen treasury documents and reports from economists that say a ticket an hour or more is the 'break even' mark to pay each road police persons wage and gas and expenses.

What about the tickets handed out with compliance? Fix the problem - you don't pay but the cop still gets a stat recorded against his / her name.

What about the tickets that get defended in court, adding expenses far greater than the poxy $150 or what ever the amount was for the original ticket.

spudchucka

17th March 2007, 16:10

Bugger, because even though I support the age increase, it's not them crashing, it's the 19-24 lot.

So now they'll be 20 - 25 before they think they are as flash as Ayrton Senna. They'll still expire in the same fashion.

spudchucka

17th March 2007, 16:17

"Property crime" (so called) often does kill.

400+ times each year?

Burglary is a very serious crime, its a shame the courts won't convict burglars to the ten years that they are liable for for each offence.

The most disturbing aspect of burglary is that it is a crime in which fledgling criminals learn their craft. The likes of Joseph Thompson cut his criminal teeth by committing burglaries; eventually he felt so comfortable being inside a stranger's house with the victims still present that he soon moved on to sexually assault something like 130 women.

Grahameeboy

17th March 2007, 16:35

Sadly there are studies that have shown that warnings have no long term affect on altering driver behaviour. The police bosses, strangely enough, can quote the results verbatim.

Must admit whilst not a hoon my 3 month LTSA Holiday makes me think about what roads to chose.

I guess with warning's they simply give a 'Phew' and no fine and no consequences.

98tls

17th March 2007, 16:41

Funny how little importance on life is in this thread...

400 odd at least die on the roads every year, thoudsands seriously injured and hospitalised, on tax payer ACC... but hey, thats OK.

F1 and GP1 has its rare share of death, but the difference there is if something goes wrong, everyone is heading in the same direction... unlike that on the roads around these parts.

Property crime doesn't kill... but that is what many want to see all Police targetting ...:zzzz: Considering the number of cars on the road i reckon thats not to bad.....dont get me wrong it would be great if there where none but lets get realistic........theres good drivers theres bad drivers just like theres good and bad in any group of people that do anything.......add speed alcohol etc then the risk goes up.....why people dont understand the cops targeting those areas is beyond me..........on the good cop bad cop thing i reckon if most of us had to put up with the shit that alot of em get every working day/night then we would get a bit jaded with our attitude to the general public as well......my old lady works at the 111 call center and has to put up with hundreds of drunken dipshits every night on the phone.......imagine dealing with there crap in person............

RT527

17th March 2007, 17:03

Actually you are all targeting the wrong people when it comes to cops issuing tickets....they are only enforcing laws put in place by you me and every other citizen in NZ.

Well thats what the Govt would have us think, Because democracy is at work in NZ ...is it not?......so stop attacking people doing there jobs and concentrate on becoming pro active in calling the correct people to account, which mind you wont happen cause we are one big bunch of soft cocks and Greenies........I think enforcement is being policed in the wrong area.....its not the speed that kills ...rather the idiots who cant drive....speed is only a factor in it.

You can still die from a ruptured aorta from an impact of around 40-60 kmph,
We have had a couple of accidents like this where theres not a mark on them , and we've had accidents where the two vehicles have collided at a 220 kph impact speed and both drivers have walked away , with minor to serious injury's.

I personally think there are many more reasons to respect the Police than there are scumbags within the police.

They do a good job where they can.

We should be supporting them not destroying them.Cause if we keep up the current situation ...even more cops are gonna leave.

Quartermile

17th March 2007, 17:22

Well, I agree with you there are the absolute pricks in the force, but that said these people are everywhere not just in the police maybe the power goes to their head so it enhances their prickness.

But there are also the legend ones just as there are everywhere but in the police the power they get the can use to serve the community.

So once again issues come down to power, how much, how it is used but given too much power can screw people up bad.......enters NZ Govt

I see the law enforcement issues more brought on by the Govt rather than the police, they don't make the law they enforce it but as I said above some of them abuse this but if the law was great for us we would still get raped by some bastards.

The Government isn't helping this, I(hope) that I've never attacked the Police I try only to attack the Govt as they are the cunts making the rules!

RT527

17th March 2007, 17:37

Bugger, because even though I support the age increase, it's not them crashing, it's the 19-24 lot.

I would even suggest older than that....80 % of our accidents involve family, or the 25-45 yr olds ....

Mort

17th March 2007, 17:52

candor

17th March 2007, 18:06

We have teen aged kids going through the licence process, and when I rang LTSA recently to query the likely hood of driver licence age increasing, I was told they get several call each day about this, and it is just a rumour. Not even being considered.

LTNZ would not know yet, the discussion is at Ministerial level. The source was the head of the largest driver training and so called driver advocate org in NZ and he is always at Knackstedts side or is the one to make media comment when big policy announcements are made.

This corporate org is also tipped to be the beneficiary of a compulsory driver training scheme to be announced at the same time. This org has been using some dirty tactics to try and crush other training competitors. I'd buy shares in it if I had the doe. I'm pretty sure, sure as can be this tip is correct.

98tls

17th March 2007, 18:09

Get caught speeding get a ticket - fair enough.... But I would like to see what impact this campaign has on :

1) Accident statistics - I bet it hasnt changed
2) Crime detection rates
3) Cosy of an funding the police

As a new comer to this country I am of the opinon that all cops do here is stop people for speeding.... usually where and when its easiest for them to do it. I have seen more drunk driving here in 6 months than I have ever seen before.... but you never see a cop round here in the evening when the bars are open.

Cops should get their priorities straight. Reckless drivers and drunks and speeding past school kids yes... filling quotas with people driving through the cops best "nicking spot" no.

They will never have my support for the way they operate. Dont know where you are but down here there all over the place at night...and good on them.........if a cop has a best nicking spot then you have to ask why.........the answer is obvious.......i guess we could take them all off the road and give them burglarys to solve but in most cases i dont fancy there chances....as a motorcyclist whos been cleaned up by an idiot i dont mind seeing them out on the road at all..........ive been flashed by a few when a bit over the limit and any speeding tickets ive received ive been well over and taking my chances....fair cop...xcuse the pun.

scracha

17th March 2007, 19:20

As a new comer to this country I am of the opinon that all cops do here is stop people for speeding.... usually where and when its easiest for them to do it. I have seen more drunk driving here in 6 months than I have ever seen before.... but you never see a cop round here in the evening when the bars are open.

Cops should get their priorities straight. Reckless drivers and drunks and speeding past school kids yes... filling quotas with people driving through the cops best "nicking spot" no.

They will never have my support for the way they operate.

Totally agree with that. Some of the blokes down the pub can hardly walk out the place but still get in their ute's and drive home. They've been doing it for years. Can't see how it would take a lot of police resources to catch them.

I beg some of my mates to walk home or try and give them a lift but "she'll be right".

scumdog

17th March 2007, 20:28

Totally agree with that. Some of the blokes down the pub can hardly walk out the place but still get in their ute's and drive home. They've been doing it for years. Can't see how it would take a lot of police resources to catch them.

I beg some of my mates to walk home or try and give them a lift but "she'll be right".

Regarding the drink-driving thing, people still aprove it, after all why would they phone the pub as soon as they see the first cop car nearby??

"Ya better not drive home tonight, the booze bus is here and it got Bill"

Translation: It is OK to drive home totally pissed as long as you don't get caught.

Even the publicans do it, listen to scanners then call the other pubs to let them know "Watch it, the booze-bus guys are around your area".

Translation: It's OK for me to fill you full of piss and let you drive home most of the time - but best not to drive off THIS time.

I'd spit on drunk drivers if it were not for PCA.

98tls

17th March 2007, 20:39

Fair call SD..........and well put..........gotta be honest and say ive been nicked for drink driving..........looking back i can always only think one thought......thank god i never killed/injured an innocent person going about there business.................

Ixion

17th March 2007, 20:46

Totally agree with that. Some of the blokes down the pub can hardly walk out the place but still get in their ute's and drive home. They've been doing it for years. ..

Any of them ever had an accident over those years ?

RT527

17th March 2007, 20:59

Any of them ever had an accident over those years ?

plenty of pissed guys from both the ngatea and paeroa pubs have come to grief on there way home...

Besides it doesn't make it right that they might not have either ...point is its illegal to drink and drive....and their attitude is ..She`ll be right, Bullshit....

98tls

17th March 2007, 21:04

Problem is that everyone finds it sad at the time but instead of thinking about it its easier to buy another beer get shitfaced and drive home........someone posted earlier that it should be easy to catch guys doing it but theres probably more pubs in this country than cops............

Flatcap

17th March 2007, 21:11

plenty of pissed guys from both the ngatea and paeroa pubs have come to grief on there way home...

I woulda've thought their horses would get them home fine...just fall asleep side-saddle and trigger would know the way

spudchucka

17th March 2007, 21:36

Must admit whilst not a hoon my 3 month LTSA Holiday makes me think about what roads to chose.

There lies at least a 95% chance of avoiding a walking holiday.

Time, place & circumstances have a hell of a lot to do with keeping your licence.

Timber020

17th March 2007, 22:36

When I hear about another 8km over the limit ticket, its not the cops I blame, its LTNZ and ACC. The kind of pressure they are putting on the police to give a financial return on $ they have invested in them makes hitlers pressure on the SS seem subtle.

LTNZ are big and getting bigger. I know a dozen guys at the moment whose trucks have no COF's because of a little $300 tax grab and law change that requires all owners to have some sham of a license to get a COF, waiting list for the test is so long its a disgrace. Wankers.

Ixion

17th March 2007, 23:42

?? Why do you need a licence to get a CoF. Surely the CoF relates to the condition of the vehicle regardless of owner? What happens if the owner is a company ?

Patrick

18th March 2007, 07:51

I must say that if there is one aspect of police attitude that infuriates me it is this decriminalisation of "property crime". "Property crime" (so called) often does kill. There have been many instances where a burglary has escalated into a bashing and death. There is probably a good deal more likelihood that a burglary will lead to injury or death than that a random motorist exceeding 100kph will.

And apart from the cases where actual homicide results, burglaries can still destroy lives in more subtle ways. I know of many cases where elderly people have had their peace of mind and confidence so devasted by burglary and home invasion that they have effectively lost the ability to continue independant living.

I do not know anyone who lies awake at night because they are afraid of speeding drivers. I do know old folk who do not sleep at night , at all, because they are too frightened to. Frightened because of experience of "property crime".

Burglary is NOT a trivial non-crime and the police attitude that people should just accept it and not complain makes me very angry.

You got me all wrong there fella...

Property crime has NEVER been "decriminalised." Your comment about a few being killed is nice, a few too many, by the way, but if there were 400 murders a year, what outcry would there be???????????????

400 die on the roads every year...... Pffftttt...... thats OK....... THAT is the message I hear.

The point I was making is about the bitching and moaning that goes on about getting tickets for whatever, tickets that those who get them earned all on their own, by the way.... yet the constant call is too many cops issuing tickets and not enough doing crime...

Stop the ticket issuing by not breaking the rules, then those that are on traffic can do criminal stuff instead. It is that easy, but.... it aint going to happen, is it?

The call always seems the same... traffic is not as important as burglary or theft. It has its place........ get over it. I did.... I was against the merger, but hey, that was so 15 years ago....

Don't break the rules, all is good.

Break them, and get a ticket, it's your own stupid fault, no one elses, yours and yours alone. We have all been told what will happen if you speed, anywhere, not just past schools... Don't bitch and moan about it..... get over it.

Those who think tickets are only issued for speed are clearly trolling or just too thick to know what goes on outside of their computor room in the real world......

Highlander

18th March 2007, 08:27

Totally agree with that. Some of the blokes down the pub can hardly walk out the place but still get in their ute's and drive home. They've been doing it for years. Can't see how it would take a lot of police resources to catch them.

I beg some of my mates to walk home or try and give them a lift but "she'll be right".

I have been stopped for a breath check three times in 10 years (twice in the car once on the bike), and routine WOF / Reg / licence check once (on the bike 10 in the morning, but they breath tested the guy behind me).

I don't mean to bag the Police, they got a thankless job to do against the public perception that "anything is legal as long as you dont get caught" in regaurd to road safety.
It does however, appear that the enforcement is slanted in favour of the easy money.

scumdog

18th March 2007, 09:23

Property crime has NEVER been "decriminalised." Your comment about a few being killed is nice, a few too many, by the way, but if there were 400 murders a year, what outcry would there be???????????????

400 die on the roads every year...... Pffftttt...... thats OK....... THAT is the message I hear.

Don't break the rules, all is good.
Break them, and get a ticket, it's your own stupid fault, no one elses, yours and yours alone. We have all been told what will happen if you speed, anywhere, not just past schools... Don't bitch and moan about it..... get over it.

Those who think tickets are only issued for speed are clearly trolling or just too thick to know what goes on outside of their computor room in the real world......

So, so true! - especially about the road death 'tolerance' vs murders.

Some people are just born 'ticket collectors' eh?

smoky

18th March 2007, 09:41

I do about 1500 kms a week for work in a cage.
So yes I get the odd ticket, 116 - over taking a truck in a passing lane, I think that was a bit ungenerous of cop - but it is against the law to speed, I wrote a letter - lost the appeal, paid the fine.
I went all the way to high court to defend going thru a amber light and won - and won compensation for the costs. I don't whinge about it - I follow the appropriate channels if I think I've been dealt with unfairly.

After spending a few years globe trotting and driving in a number of different countries I have some ideas on what I see as the real reason we have too many road deaths - our roads are shit
We should have duel carriageway main trunk state highways to and from every major city in NZ, that allows for the diversity of traffic - big trucks, campervans, tourists, people who find it hard to sustain 100 on our open road. It would cut down on risky over taking, frustration of being stuck behind one of the above.
If that’s not a reality to build then; why let these huge long haul trucks fill up our road ways, they're getting heaver every year and stuffing up the surface of the road when our main rail ways are struggling to survive (when I'm informed it's a greener option for freight anyway).
I apologise to all long haul truckies for saying that - but while you might be a good driver I'm sure you'll agree that a lot of motorist get frustrated sitting behind you and do silly things to get past.

A lot of our accidents where speed is a factor stems from frustration of being held up by slower traffic.

James Deuce

18th March 2007, 09:42

You got me all wrong there fella...

Property crime has NEVER been "decriminalised." Your comment about a few being killed is nice, a few too many, by the way, but if there were 400 murders a year, what outcry would there be???????????????

400 die on the roads every year...... Pffftttt...... thats OK....... THAT is the message I hear.

The point I was making is about the bitching and moaning that goes on about getting tickets for whatever, tickets that those who get them earned all on their own, by the way.... yet the constant call is too many cops issuing tickets and not enough doing crime...

Stop the ticket issuing by not breaking the rules, then those that are on traffic can do criminal stuff instead. It is that easy, but.... it aint going to happen, is it?

The call always seems the same... traffic is not as important as burglary or theft. It has its place........ get over it. I did.... I was against the merger, but hey, that was so 15 years ago....

Don't break the rules, all is good.

Break them, and get a ticket, it's your own stupid fault, no one elses, yours and yours alone. We have all been told what will happen if you speed, anywhere, not just past schools... Don't bitch and moan about it..... get over it.

Those who think tickets are only issued for speed are clearly trolling or just too thick to know what goes on outside of their computor room in the real world......

Yeah, but back to the point ticketing someone for speed wouldn't have saved me from being killed and resuscitated after a 50 km/hr accident at an intersection, would it?

If you guys want to save lives, target areas where people are actually killed an maimed, instead of trying to reduce the road toll through 1 single element.

You make the big boohoo story about no one caring about road deaths, you guys have already read my feelings on that issue over and over, but instead of acknowledging the validity of the argument that lessening the road toll will require training and shift in enforcement objectives, you just spout the STFU n00b, you're an idiot argument.

And you wonder why the "NZ Public" (you know, the people that the Police now have zero respect for and the Public have kind of picked up on that) are making an issue of the minimum ticketing requirements.

If property crime hasn't been decriminalised, how come you can't get anyone to attend a call when you've got people trying to break into your house and you're there? You just get a speech from some telephone operator about not antagonising the guy who wants your stuff and not to perform any criminal acts in the "defence" of your property.

Kickaha

18th March 2007, 10:16

when our main rail ways are struggling to survive (when I'm informed it's a greener option for freight anyway).

Rail ship a large portion of their frieght by road as it is faster

scumdog

18th March 2007, 10:38

If you guys want to save lives, target areas where people are actually killed an maimed, instead of trying to reduce the road toll through 1 single element.

If property crime hasn't been decriminalised, how come you can't get anyone to attend a call when you've got people trying to break into your house and you're there? You just get a speech from some telephone operator about not antagonising the guy who wants your stuff and not to perform any criminal acts in the "defence" of your property.

(1) Down here we DO target the problem areas where speed/bad overtaking (yellow lines etc) are the problems, the muftis do a good job getting the corner-cutters and yellow-line crossers (I bet they're gutted to find that the ticket which 'only' cost $150 also carries a 35 demerits penalty - and it's not noted on the ticket at the time).

(2) You can't always get somebody to attend a *555 call either - so I guess that evens things up eh??????????

spudchucka

18th March 2007, 10:42

[LEFT]If you guys want to save lives, target areas where people are actually killed an maimed, instead of trying to reduce the road toll through 1 single element.

Because the police never prosecute any traffic offence other than speeding........

smoky

18th March 2007, 11:04

I guess we could slag off the Police all day if we wanted too - there are good cops and bad cops around, and a whole lot of cops somewhere in between. Like good doctors and bad doctors, good lovers and bad lovers, GOOD BIKERS & BAD BIKERS - we all think we're on the good side of the spectrum.
Being a cop and a biker must be a little difficult sometimes - I've heard some cops slaggin off bikers with an obviouse prejudice, but i don't think thats the general feeling from the police.
I still don't see any harm in having a grumble about getting a ticket though - even if you deserve it, it still sux'.

P.S - but theres no such thing as good parking enforcement officer :nono: - is there?

Quartermile

18th March 2007, 11:11

Because the police never prosecute any traffic offence other than speeding........

Maybe they should start then there are a lot of other dangerous traffic offenses other than speeding:weird:

spudchucka

18th March 2007, 11:17

Maybe they should start then there are a lot of other dangerous traffic offenses other than speeding:weird:

Is sarcasm a new concept to you?

Quartermile

18th March 2007, 11:21

DAMM, just a nibble maybe if I twich the line a bit, surprised you didn't go off your nut, surprisingly cool headed for a cop

Ixion

18th March 2007, 11:37

You got me all wrong there fella...

Property crime has NEVER been "decriminalised." Your comment about a few being killed is nice, a few too many, by the way, but if there were 400 murders a year, what outcry would there be???????????????

400 die on the roads every year...... Pffftttt...... thats OK....... THAT is the message I hear.

...

400+ times each year ?

Now, you see , this is the crooked spin that undermines public respect for the police.

The obvious intention here is to imply that police focus on speeding is justified because if everyone obeyed the law then 400 lives would be saved. Which is patent nonsense. The biker killed the other day , when a tree branch fell on him? What level of enforcement would have saved him? Who do the police intend to charge over that "crime"? A large percentage of that 400 are simply accidents, plain and simple.

As to the "if there were 400 murders a year ?": Well, if you are comparing with the 400 road deaths , then you mjust compare not with murder but with all forms of non natural death. (That brnch killed a biker so it is a road fatality. But it could just as easily have been a branch fall in someone's garden and kill a householder) . That would include drownings, industrial accidents, manslaughter , medical misadventure - way way more than 400 (drowning alone is 126 per year. Yet we never hear how despicable and wicked boaties are) .

The odds are enormous that whatever kills you will NOT be motorvehicle related . And motorvehicle fatalities form a small percentage even of non disease deaths.

The implication that traffic enforcement is justifed by the possibility of "saving" 400 lives a year is false, and deliberately deceptive.

EDIT: To put that 400 into perspective. 515 died by suicide (2003). 126 drowned (2002). Smoking is estimated to cause 400 deaths per year.

scumdog

18th March 2007, 12:18

MOST (but not all) crashes are not accidents.

They are crashes caused by fuck-witted, incompetent distracted drivers who would be out of their depth in a side-show dodgem cart but think their PS driving 'experience' gives them an 'edge'.

And I bet a lot of them thought they were 'pretty good drivers' too.

Patrick

18th March 2007, 12:40

Now, you see , this is the crooked spin that undermines public respect for the police.

The implication that traffic enforcement is justifed by the possibility of "saving" 400 lives a year is false, and deliberately deceptive.

EDIT: To put that 400 into perspective. 515 died by suicide (2003). 126 drowned (2002). Smoking is estimated to cause 400 deaths per year.

Read my last sentence of my earlier post... you seem to fall into that category....

Warnings don't work... fines make "MOST" think about it...not all, most.

If there is no traffic enforcement at all, how many lives will be lost then????? Traffic enforcement doesn't save lives, you say???????????:weird:

The suicide figures, some drownings and smoking are self inflicted. Still important and problems that need addressing. Traffic crashes usually involve an innocent party.

To put that 400 into persepective... that is only over each of the last very few years, down from 700 to 800 per year in the not too distant past. Traffic enforcement doesn't save lives, you still say?????

RT527

18th March 2007, 14:07

Traffic enforcement doesn't save lives, you say???????????

HAHA No But Ambos and us Firey`s Save lives, I still think the speed enforcement isn't the answer....it helps yes , but the ones who crash are the ones who pass on corners , loose control in road works...(yeah I know Cause they were speeding ) Pass in the face of oncoming traffic, pull out in front of someone, inattention, Not driving to the conditions...weather etc, Drunk driving,.......So why the focus solely on Speeding/drunk driving?....
Seems to me that the education thing is a too hard basket, Acc have tried to solve this with their add campaigns....but I don't know if they've got it right Yet....

Edbear

18th March 2007, 14:36

HAHA No But Ambos and us Firey`s Save lives, I still think the speed enforcement isn't the answer....it helps yes , but the ones who crash are the ones who pass on corners , loose control in road works...(yeah I know Cause they were speeding ) Pass in the face of oncoming traffic, pull out in front of someone, inattention, Not driving to the conditions...weather etc, Drunk driving,.......So why the focus solely on Speeding/drunk driving?....
Seems to me that the education thing is a too hard basket, Acc have tried to solve this with their add campaigns....but I don't know if they've got it right Yet....

What I'd like to see, is people pulled over for driving too slow and weaving around, holding up increasingly frustrated following traffic - either because they are simply incompetent to be behind the wheel, or they are busy with other things, like texting/talking on their cellphones, sightseeing, engaged in animated conversation with their passengers, changing the station on their stereo, reading the latest women's mag they've just bought, (yes I've witnessed this!), reading a map, etc. etc.! Unfortunately, as the KB cops will probably attest, it's hard to actually spot these drivers. Easier to spot the speeding driver.

But surely, there is something they can do about drivers travelling at 60km/h on the open road?

RT527

18th March 2007, 15:30

Yup...New there was something I missed...Couldn't agree more

Skyryder

18th March 2007, 16:41

When they are doing this (NZ Herald):

Number of traffic tickets issued soars

2:30PM Sunday March 11, 2007

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/ticket.jpg
A policeman checks the speed of motorists. Photo / Paul Taylor

The National Party has again voiced its suspicions that the police are working to a traffic ticket quota under a government-encouraged revenue gathering scheme.
The claim follows the release of statistics showing since Labour came to power the number of tickets issued for exceeding the speed limit by between six and 10 kilometres an hour has jumped from 311 in the year 2000 to more than 34,000 in 2006.
National Party Police spokesman Chester Borrows says if the police really want to stick to the quota they should give officers more recognition for catching drivers travelling more than 10 kilometres an hour over the limit.
Mr Borrows says that way serious road behaviour would be targeted, and not "the little old ladies who are going to the supermarket".

The only problem with this is that it was the National Party who developed the Highway Road Unit into the buisiness trafficking model that it is today.

If memory serves me right I think it was Clem Simich when he was Minister of Police. Just more hypocrosy from the Nats.

Skyryder

Swoop

18th March 2007, 16:50

MOST (but not all) crashes are not accidents.
...
And I bet a lot of them thought they were 'pretty good drivers' too.
Well said Scummy, bling your way!

spudchucka

18th March 2007, 17:04

Now, you see , this is the crooked spin that undermines public respect for the police.

The obvious intention here is to imply that police focus on speeding is justified because if everyone obeyed the law then 400 lives would be saved. Which is patent nonsense. The biker killed the other day , when a tree branch fell on him? What level of enforcement would have saved him? Who do the police intend to charge over that "crime"? A large percentage of that 400 are simply accidents, plain and simple.

As to the "if there were 400 murders a year ?": Well, if you are comparing with the 400 road deaths , then you mjust compare not with murder but with all forms of non natural death. (That brnch killed a biker so it is a road fatality. But it could just as easily have been a branch fall in someone's garden and kill a householder) . That would include drownings, industrial accidents, manslaughter , medical misadventure - way way more than 400 (drowning alone is 126 per year. Yet we never hear how despicable and wicked boaties are) .

The odds are enormous that whatever kills you will NOT be motorvehicle related . And motorvehicle fatalities form a small percentage even of non disease deaths.

The implication that traffic enforcement is justifed by the possibility of "saving" 400 lives a year is false, and deliberately deceptive.

EDIT: To put that 400 into perspective. 515 died by suicide (2003). 126 drowned (2002). Smoking is estimated to cause 400 deaths per year.

Sorry Ixion, I respect your opinions most of the time but there is so much crap in that post that I actually can't be stuffed offering a response.

spudchucka

18th March 2007, 17:12

I thought that you probably would but you know what the great unwashed will say, "f$#ken cops sticking up for each other again".

scumdog

18th March 2007, 17:50

I thought that you probably would but you know what the great unwashed will say, "f$#ken cops sticking up for each other again".

Never mind spud, one day I'll lose it and chant the KB credo of "I'l ride as fast as I want, when I want to, and to hell with other road-users"

And I'll start to get tickets instead of giving 'em

And bin every five minutes

And meet rogue unfair bastard cops everytime I'm on the road

(That'll be just after I get my mobility scooter)

Edbear

18th March 2007, 21:35

Yup...New there was something I missed...Couldn't agree more

Yeah! I drive a small truck every day and the elevated driving position gives me a good view of what people are doing in their vehicles!

spudchucka

18th March 2007, 21:42

Never mind spud, one day I'll lose it and chant the KB credo of "I'l ride as fast as I want, when I want to, and to hell with other road-users"

And I'll start to get tickets instead of giving 'em

And bin every five minutes

And meet rogue unfair bastard cops everytime I'm on the road

(That'll be just after I get my mobility scooter)

And pick your nose while chanting FTP???

Viking Steven Poulson

18th March 2007, 21:55

Well all I can say is fuck the police the arseholes but guess what IU will still be keeping my Beemer within the speed limit Bros for they are out to get us

Squeak the Rat

19th March 2007, 07:58

MOST (but not all) crashes are not accidents.

They are crashes caused by fuck-witted, incompetent distracted drivers who would be out of their depth in a side-show dodgem cart but think their PS driving 'experience' gives them an 'edge'.

So the answer is training & licencing, not enforcement. Glad we agree.....

Swoop

19th March 2007, 08:04

Never mind spud, one day I'll lose it and chant the KB credo of "I'l ride as fast as I want, when I want to, and to hell with other road-users"

And I'll start to get tickets instead of giving 'em

And bin every five minutes

And meet rogue unfair bastard cops everytime I'm on the road
(That'll be just after I get my mobility scooter)

Please give us some advanced warning of when this will happen... I'm going to stay OFF OF the footpath when that occurs...:rofl:

Bass

19th March 2007, 13:12

Sorry Ixion, I respect your opinions most of the time but there is so much crap in that post that I actually can't be stuffed offering a response.
I for one, wish that you would.
I have done a defensive driving course and 2 advanced driving courses in the cage. I have done the RRRS course and the Riderskills one on one, advanced course on the bike.
I have driven both competitively and professionally, although not simultaneously and the competitive driving I have done taught me that I am not especially skilled anyway. However, the skills that I did learn in all this have saved my life on one occasion (when suddenly faced with a car full of yes asians, overtaking a bus - saved their lives too). I have come to believe that my driving is better than average but (also as a consequence of the training etc) I do NOT think that I am a particularly good driver - I just think that the average standard of driving in NZ is appalling. This view is supported by driving in SOME other countries, where the standard is higher.
My dealings with the Police out on the road have been unfailingly courteous and fair. There is no way that I could work for the Highway Patrol as scraping up and bagging bits of people is more than I could handle. Telling their loved ones of these events is also not something I could deal with.
However, I still find myself siding with Ixion on this point and I feel that the emphasis on speed enforcement is counterproductive.
I feel that the respect of the public is essential for the police to do their job well and would also make it somewhat easier.
Make no mistake, I think that without enforcement, the roads would be a slaughterhouse and that speed enforcement is most certainly an essential element. However, I do think that it is currently overemphasised to the detriment of other enforcement elements that could be more productive.
Consequently, I would be most interested in what you have to say in rebuttal of Ixion's arguments.

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 13:38

speed kills

100 on a wet day in heavy traffic with zero visibility = ok :yes:
111 on a dry day in light traffic with unlimited visibility = :nono:

Guitana

19th March 2007, 13:48

speed kills

100 on a wet day in heavy traffic with zero visibility = ok :yes:
111 on a dry day in light traffic with unlimited visibility = :nono:

160 in a torrential downpour = YEEEEHAAAAA!!!!!:Punk:

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 14:01

160 in a torrential downpour = YEEEEHAAAAA!!!!!:Punk:

Check out this crazed maniac. he is like a high octane hornet trying to evade the cruiser.

Patrick

19th March 2007, 14:23

I guess too many live in their computor worlds and don't get out much into the real world after all...

Speed appears to be the issue only, here in KB land... not many moan about the tickets they get for overtaking on blind corners, pulling out in front of cagers, failing to give way, whatever... those that have done are shot down quick smart, usually... Tickets get issued for these every day, but you just don't hear about it on here, just the speed.... nothing but the speed....:zzzz:

Keep on donating to the government fund if you wish. I don't. Uncle Helen needs your extra money to pay the dole, the gang members on the invalid/sickness benefit and other worthy causes...

My taxes pay for health and education... I just don't earn enough to make a difference.

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 14:29

I guess too many live in their computor worlds and don't get out much into the real world after all...

Speed appears to be the issue only, here in KB land... not many moan about the tickets they get for overtaking on blind corners, pulling out in front of cagers, failing to give way, whatever... those that have done are shot down quick smart, usually... Tickets get issued for these every day, but you just dont hear about it on here, just the speed.... nothing but the speed....:zzzz:

never had a ticket for anything but speed.....

speed kills

i should have known this when i was recklessly flapping down the quiet well surfaced road with unlimited visibility on christmas eve at a deadly 111km/h... never do that again eh! :nono: :bye:

Patrick

19th March 2007, 14:32

So why the focus solely on Speeding/drunk driving?....
Seems to me that the education thing is a too hard basket, Acc have tried to solve this with their add campaigns....but I don't know if they've got it right Yet....

I expected better RT... it is not the only thing that is solely focussed on, it is solely focussed on ONLY in KB.

Education is a too hard basket. Most people switch off when the ads come on...

Patrick

19th March 2007, 14:34

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 14:39

I rest my case...........

:zzzz: :whocares: What was the MAXIMUM speed limit again??????

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills :nono: :zzzz:

98tls

19th March 2007, 14:43

never had a ticket for anything but speed.....

speed kills

i should have known this when i was recklessly flapping down the quiet well surfaced road with unlimited visibility on christmas eve at a deadly 111km/h... never do that again eh! :nono: :bye: Do it as many times as you like...........just dont moan when you get ticketed for it.................for me anyway it would have been simple enough.....christmas eve = generally alot of cops out and about = do the speed limit.Not that hard really.................

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 14:44

Do it as many times as you like...........just dont moan when you get ticketed for it.................for me anyway it would have been simple enough.....christmas eve = generally alot of cops out and about = do the speed limit.Not that hard really.................

no, its totally my bad....
i should have known better!

Patrick

19th March 2007, 14:46

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills :nono: :zzzz:

Wrong.... read your road code some time.

100 maximum is in good conditions. 100 in wet conditions depends on many things, but it is still the maximum... Try driving at 100 in snow with 10meters viz and see what happens....

Speed is not the only killer.... it is but just one of the many things that do, but speed enforcement is the only thing people seem to whinge about on here, as you seem to have done....

Patrick

19th March 2007, 14:47

no, its totally my bad....
i should have known better!

Ahh... good.... finally seen the error of your ways... I feel much better now that you have been educated. Think off the children next time!:love:

Grahameeboy

19th March 2007, 14:51

Wrong.... read your road code some time.

100 maximum is in good conditions. 100 in wet conditions depends on many things, but it is still the maximum... Try driving at 100 in snow with 10meters viz and see what happens....

Speed is not the only killer.... it is but just one of the many things that do, but speed enforcement is the only thing people seem to whinge about on here, as you seem to have done....

I agree.............

98tls

19th March 2007, 14:51

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills :nono: :zzzz: I can see the point your making mate and agree to a point..........at the end of the day there has to be a figure as the speed limit......whoever for whatever reasons decided its to be 100 km/h........seems some have no control over there vehicles at that speed so no point in raising it.........

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 14:51

Try driving at 100 in snow with 10meters viz and see what happens....

no ticket i bet
doing 111 on a fine day is worse

whoever for whatever reasons decided its to be 100 km/h........seems some have no control over there vehicles at that speed so no point in raising it.........

i certainly don't think the speed limit is too low.... just think a little good judgement needs to be exercised every now and then

i just get a little pissed when the (traffic) Rozzas dont focus on the real issues....
SURE, i was breaking the law every time i pinged, now im walking (57 days to go!).... but for fucks sake, if they would just use a little judgement, like the south island cops!
Anyway, i'll stop going on now :yes:

Squeak the Rat

19th March 2007, 14:55

This isn't soley a KB argument - this seems to be becoming the standard cop reply to threads on here. This is a widely held view, eg if you were with the guys I played golf on saturday and had a few pints with you'd have seen the topic was well discussed.

My opinions on the matter are based on observation. I see many adverts that are anti-speed. I see no adverts about any other driving behaviour other than booze. I see many speed traps. I see no cops staking out intersections. I see many cops driving around on SH1. I see the GD cop at the intersection shrug his shoulders at a red light runner. And I see people on the road who can't drive for shit and shouldn't have got a drivers licence in the first place!

:third:

Patrick

19th March 2007, 14:56

no ticket i bet
doing 111 on a fine day is worse

i just get a little pissed when the Rozzas dont focus on the real issues....
SURE, i was breaking the law every time i pinged, now im walking (57 days to go!).... but for fucks sake, if they would just use a little judgement, like the south island cops!
Anyway, i'll stop going on now :yes:

Dangerous driving, minimum loss of licence for 6 months. Not just a ticket, a court heraring. I don't ticket anything at 111, unless it is snowing and there is 10m viz...

We would love to focus on the real issues, and there are alweays campaigns on about them here and there... be it red light runners or intersections, what ever...

But those damn speedsters keep us all so damn busy.... hardly have enough time to eat my donuts!

Matt Bleck

19th March 2007, 14:58

Do the CRIME do the TIME!!

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 15:00

I don't ticket anything at 111, unless it is snowing and there is 10m viz...

you are a different sort to the ones i have come across, obviously

But those damn speedsters keep us all so damn busy.... hardly have enough time to eat my donuts!

:lol: nice

Patrick

19th March 2007, 15:01

you are a different sort to the ones i have come across, obviously

:lol: nice

Not really... we all eat donuts!!!

Matt Bleck

19th March 2007, 15:02

The error of your way's MR KiwiFruit was stopping!

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 15:02

Not really... we all eat donuts!!!

you know what i mean! :bleh:

Matt Bleck

19th March 2007, 15:04

fttp!!!!!!!!

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 15:04

The error of your way's MR KiwiFruit was stopping!

Hi I'm Sheriff John Bunnel. In the next 30mins you will witness some of the world's worst drivers and world's wildest police video chases

This renegade punk thought he could out run the law

A temporary moment of insanity can result in permanent consequences.

Grahameeboy

19th March 2007, 15:04

Not really... we all eat donuts!!!

Yeah but some eat the ones with holes in!!

Smorg

19th March 2007, 15:06

I agree spud.

Quick pull out the tazers and pepper spray and administer JUSTICE IN THE NAME OF THE LAW!

so long as we are all agreed

Patrick

19th March 2007, 15:30

Quick pull out the tazers and pepper spray and administer JUSTICE IN THE NAME OF THE LAW!

so long as we are all agreed

Now you're talkin... that'll slow down the speedsters too!!!

Patrick

19th March 2007, 15:33

Yeah but some eat the ones with holes in!!

But there is less of them if they have holes in them? Only those huge cream and jam filled ones, you know, the all in one meal, the ones with jam (fruit) and cream (protein) and icing sugar (energy).....

Ixion

19th March 2007, 15:44

This isn't soley a KB argument - this seems to be becoming the standard cop reply to threads on here. This is a widely held view, eg if you were with the guys I played golf on saturday and had a few pints with you'd have seen the topic was well discussed.

At the end of this month I am chairing the AGM of our local Residents and Ratepayers Association.

The agenda is based on issues raised by our members. They are not by any means petrolheads, much more into the "old lady" type. The householders and burgesses of the district. Instinctive respecters and upholders of law and order and the police force. Not petrol head bolshevik revolutionaries like me.

The first item on the agenda (first because it is the most frequently raised) is policing in the district.

People are unhappy, deeply unhappy (it even ranks higher than holes in the footpaths and graffiti !) about the policing, or rather, lack of policing.

They say they don't feel safe. They don't feel safe on the streets, they don't feel safe in their homes. They don't feel that their possessions and property are safe. And when something does happen they don't have confidence that the police will respond. They want a (nice, respectable, bourgois ) protest to be raised.

They are not anti-police. Very far from it. The near universal plaint is that the police are wonderful, but they are no longer there when needed. No longer interested.

We will frame a resolution , and I shall pass it on to the District Commander. Who will ignore it. The people will remain unhappy and frightened.

That is not a good thing. Whether the police focus on speed enforcement can fairly be blamed for it is debateable. But , fairly or not, the majority of the people do believe that the reason the police are no longer keeping them safe is because they are so committed to dishing out speeding tickets. And in such matters, the perception is the reality.

The original question related to respect for the police. FWIW, I think that , by and large, most people still respect the police. But they no longer have confidence in the police. People no longer feel that the police are capable of keeping them safe. So we have private security firms. We have gated communities. We have people with shotguns under the bed. And we have old ladies who no longer go out socially, because they are too scared. It is not speeding drivers they are scared of. It is muggers, handbag snatchers, car jackers. And of coming home to find their houses ransacked.

And when anyone tries to raise these concerns, the response is "It is only property crime. That does not matter. Speeding drivers kill people. 400 of them every year. ".

Which , even if it were true, is not a fair answer to their concerns.

I will return to the very first principles of a police force. What is the fundamental purpose of a police force? To catch speeders? No. To catch burglars ? No.

The purpose of a police force is to maintain the peace. So that people can live is peace and security. It is worse to be killed in a car smash than to be burgled. But if the odds of being killed are one in a million ; and the odds of being burgled are one in a hundred; then burglary may be a greater threat to the public peace than speeding. Those old ladies are not worried about people breaking the speed limit (except on pedestrian crossings). They'd rather drivers didn't speed. But what really worries them are the people who make them feel threatened in the shopping centres; the noises in the night - is it someone breaking in ; the fear of going out and coming home to a ransacked house, the treasures and memories of a lifetime gone or destroyed. They do not live in pease any more.

So, I will tell the meeting about the 400 deaths. But I do not think it will convince them. They want a policeman. Like they used to have. A policeman who is focused on keeping the peace, not on catching speeding drivers.

Indiana_Jones

19th March 2007, 15:48

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3998066a12.html

that cop is ok lol

-Indy

98tls

19th March 2007, 15:55

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 16:14

I for one, wish that you would.

Search the forums, read my posts, you'll understand why I can't be fucked with a post like that.

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 16:30

Good read...............unfortunately its all very well to want the coppers like they used to have..............society is vastly different than what it used to be...........i know jack about it really but maybe theres just not enough cops to go round........the answer to that would seem simple.......and no i dont mean take them off the roads...........

The answer is simple when you remove the emotional aspect, as you've done. The cops are just spread too thin. Some areas are worse than others, Dorkland being one of those.

NZ has some of the worst police to population ratios of the developed world. You aren't ever going to get them to stop enforcing traffic rules so if you want a better service from police in other areas you need to concentrate on enhancing that area.

But, for some reason, the polly's and bean counters aren't interested, they'd rather keep feeding $$$ into ways in which they can drag the rest of us down until we are all the lowest common denominator.

Bass

19th March 2007, 16:30

Search the forums, read my posts, you'll understand why I can't be fucked with a post like that.

Pity..... As it turns out, I wasn't the only one genuinely interested in your comments, but so be it.

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 16:33

Don't worry, I can assure you that this WON'T be the last debate on this subject on KB.

For some reason I'm just finding this one particularly tiresome.

Delphinus

19th March 2007, 16:38

And when anyone tries to raise these concerns, the response is "It is only property crime. That does not matter. Speeding drivers kill people. 400 of them every year. ".

So we have 400 people dying on the roads every year. What percentage of these deaths are actually caused by speeding drivers? How many are people failing to give way/going over center line/falling asleep/etc?

Patrick

19th March 2007, 16:42

Further to that... it all sounds so nice when the gubbamint says "Extra 1000 police over the next 3 years..."

What they conveniently forget to mention is the fact that over those three years there will be 1000 Police leaving from retirement, resignation, had a guts full of all the snaking they have to do, whatever.. The population grows, the ratio of Police per head of population gets worse...

One step forward, another two back... There just isn't enough cops... ever... the government won't let it improve, ever.... except briefly at election time only...

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 16:44

So we have 400 people dying on the roads every year. What percentage of these deaths are actually caused by speeding drivers? How many are people failing to give way/going over center line/falling asleep/etc?

All of them were moving at some velocity. While their velocity may not have caused the crash it ultimately has a great deal to do with their sudden departure.

Patrick

19th March 2007, 16:44

So we have 400 people dying on the roads every year. What percentage of these deaths are actually caused by speeding drivers? How many are people failing to give way/going over center line/falling asleep/etc?

That is Ixion trolling... no one, except him, says speed killed all 400 of them...

Fatjim

19th March 2007, 16:57

All of them were moving at some velocity. While their velocity may not have caused the crash it ultimately has a great deal to do with their sudden departure.

Same with air accidents. Maybe we should limit the speed of planes?

The short of it is. Speed is the easiest part of the problem to target. With a radar or lasar gun you have a measured quantity of quilt. With careless or dangerous you don't and the pain the coppers have to go through to get a conviction is much greater. It also means you can employ less intelligent and scrupulous officers.

Nash Bluebean

19th March 2007, 17:02

One time i ranned down a dang hiway copper on my 1964 scavenger, i stopped just so i good spit on his ugly face, never got caught, dawg narbit

Squeak the Rat

19th March 2007, 17:12

i hope that account gets merged... :lol:

What they conveniently forget to mention is the fact that over those three years there will be 1000 Police leaving from retirement, resignation, had a guts full of all the snaking they have to do, whatever.. The population grows, the ratio of Police per head of population gets worse...

One step forward, another two back... There just isn't enough cops... ever... the government won't let it improve, ever.... except briefly at election time only...

Agreed, and I think most people would. The differing opinions seem to be the allocation of current resources.

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 17:40

Same with air accidents. Maybe we should limit the speed of planes?

The short of it is. Speed is the easiest part of the problem to target. With a radar or lasar gun you have a measured quantity of quilt. With careless or dangerous you don't and the pain the coppers have to go through to get a conviction is much greater. It also means you can employ less intelligent and scrupulous officers.

Speed is also the area in which they can impact the most on trauma caused in crashes.

Careless and dangerous are not painful prosecutions to manage.

Edbear

19th March 2007, 18:07

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3998066a12.html

that cop is ok lol

-Indy

Wonder what she'll do about the so-called boyfriend, now...?

scumdog

19th March 2007, 20:00

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills :nono: :zzzz:

And then if they followed your ideas on what is speeding at the 'right' time and o.k. the whinger would start down the "well the road wasn't REALLY wet" or "There wasn't THAT much traffic" or "Well, the visibility wasn't TOO bad"

So it's easier to draw a flat 100kmh line and say "Don't cross it"

Especially given the abilities of a lot of riders and drivers.

smoky

19th March 2007, 21:03

So it's easier to draw a flat 100kmh line and say "Don't cross it".

Do all police see things that black and white, if you're speeding then bang - ticket? Or can they exercise some discrepancy.

scumdog

19th March 2007, 21:08

Do all police see things that black and white, if you're speeding then bang - ticket? Or can they exercise some discrepancy.

Oh they can 'exercise discrepancy' as you say and often do..

But some people expect it as a right.

Normally you won't get a ticket for 10kmh or less over the limit - but some people see that 10kmh addition to the speed limit as the 'norm' - and whimper "I was only 2 kay over" when they get caught doing 112kmh.

RT527

19th March 2007, 21:22

All of them were moving at some velocity. While their velocity may not have caused the crash it ultimately has a great deal to do with their sudden departure.

But as I explained two cars traveling toward each other at less than 100-130 kph impact speed can still kill, but if they are on the open road , they were not speeding, as my impact speed puts them at between 50 and 60 kph
Yet they were still traveling at a velocity which was in part responsible for there death, so what caused there deaths was it speed or was it road conditions at the time....the gummymint would have us believe that speed kills in the majority of the accidents when its clearly not the case, probably more deaths are attributed to not paying attention than speed, but because the person who while doing 105 hits , lets say a car thats failed to stop at an intersection and has pulled out in front of The other vehicle , that accident will go down in the speed killed statistics, not the inattention to road signs or failing to stop.....adds more weight to their argument of speed kills.

Matt Bleck

19th March 2007, 21:26

Oh they can 'exercise discrepancy' as you say and often do..

But some people expect it as a right.

Normally you won't get a ticket for 10kmh or less over the limit - but some people see that 10kmh addition to the speed limit as the 'norm' - and whimper "I was only 2 kay over" when they get caught doing 112kmh.

Losers and liars...what are they thinking?!...A sneeky dealer thinks he's pulling a fast one...a drunk driver thinks he's unstoppable...and a pushy princess thinks the law doesn't apply to her...but if they think they're getting away with anything...they better think twice!

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 21:30

Losers and liars...what are they thinking?!...A sneeky dealer thinks he's pulling a fast one...a drunk driver thinks he's unstoppable...and a pushy princess thinks the law doesn't apply to her...but if they think they're getting away with anything...they better think twice!

most people don’t even think about law enforcement until they either do something wrong, or get wronged them self. But police know that fighting crime is a full time job. If something isn’t going down now, it will be soon and officers have to be ready.

Steam

19th March 2007, 21:31

Losers and liars...what are they thinking?!...A sneeky dealer thinks he's pulling a fast one...a drunk driver thinks he's unstoppable...and a pushy princess thinks the law doesn't apply to her...but if they think they're getting away with anything...they better think twice!
Wow, if you put on a gung-ho american accent you'll sound EXACTLY like that guy from World's Wildest Police Videos. He rocks!

MWVT

19th March 2007, 21:36

Oh they can 'exercise discrepancy' as you say and often do..

But some people expect it as a right.

Normally you won't get a ticket for 10kmh or less over the limit - but some people see that 10kmh addition to the speed limit as the 'norm' - and whimper "I was only 2 kay over" when they get caught doing 112kmh.

Part of the problem here is that people have the perception that the police will not exercise their "discrepancy" as they 'have a quota to meet'. It seems to joe public that the police are not rewarded for being fair, reasonable, and yes using their "discrepancy" fairly often. That could be a completely unfair perception, but you police folk could shed some light on that, if you choose to.

kiwifruit

19th March 2007, 21:39

Wow, if you put on a gung-ho american accent you'll sound EXACTLY like that guy from World's Wildest Police Videos. He rocks!

Although their drunken antics may seem amusing, there's nothing funny about ten years in a federal pen.

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 21:52

But as I explained two cars traveling toward each other at less than 100-130 kph impact speed can still kill, but if they are on the open road , they were not speeding, as my impact speed puts them at between 50 and 60 kph
Yet they were still traveling at a velocity which was in part responsible for there death, so what caused there deaths was it speed or was it road conditions at the time....the gummymint would have us believe that speed kills in the majority of the accidents when its clearly not the case, probably more deaths are attributed to not paying attention than speed, but because the person who while doing 105 hits , lets say a car thats failed to stop at an intersection and has pulled out in front of The other vehicle , that accident will go down in the speed killed statistics, not the inattention to road signs or failing to stop.....adds more weight to their argument of speed kills.

I don't give a rats arse what any crash statistics say.

You can't die in a road crash if you aren't moving or aren't hit by another moving object. Hence the reason that we have speed limits and why speed is targeted by police, to keep mean speeds down and hopefully reduce road trauma. Trauma can happen at low speeds (as you have highlighted) but it almost always happens at higher speeds.

At 105 kph the driver of that car or the car he hit might survive, at 120 - 130 plus in a side impact you are fucked big time.

smoky

19th March 2007, 21:57

Part of the problem here is that people have the perception that the police will not exercise their "discrepancy" as they 'have a quota to meet'. It seems to joe public that the police are not rewarded for being fair, reasonable, and yes using their "discrepancy" fairly often. That could be a completely unfair perception, but you police folk could shed some light on that, if you choose to.

Not a quota - a performance Target. I guess what you've expressed is what a lot of people are left feeling.
I get left with a bit of a mixed feeling myself, but at the end of the day if you do the crime - you do the time (or pay the fine).
I guess the Police have to decide what kind of reputation they want.
If they see some one scooting along a little bit fast on a clear road in good conditions bla bla bla sort of thing; do they really sit there and think 'I would normal look the other way but I'm getting a bit of greif from my senior about performance targets so I better pull them over and issue an infringment notice'. Do they think like that?:scratch:

Swoop

19th March 2007, 22:06

Scary, the level of intelligence presented by "joshua wright"...

Illegal to defend yourself but legal to carry a concealed weapon? Back to Porirua son (do not pass go, do not collect a warrant card)...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Other/auction-91499388.htm

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 22:14

$200 for an expandable stick, what an idiot!

Ixion

19th March 2007, 22:54

What happened to the good old wooden truncheon?

The_Dover

20th March 2007, 06:29

What happened to the good old wooden truncheon?

Clint sold them off as sex toys to fund the Annual Policemans Ball and Gangbang.

spudchucka

20th March 2007, 06:33

What happened to the good old wooden truncheon?

We moved into the iron age!

Squeak the Rat

20th March 2007, 07:57

I don't give a rats arse what any crash statistics say.

You're fairly senior in the force aint you spud.....

:rofl:

scumdog

20th March 2007, 08:04

$200 for an expandable stick, what an idiot!

Yeah, but it's just like the ones the POHLEECE use - and that's what counts!

The world is full of dickheads that think it's cool to have stuff the pohleece, ahrmay and other forces use, think it makes them more of a man and tougher.

I guess a loser is still a loser, asp or no asp.

spudchucka

20th March 2007, 16:29

You're fairly senior in the force aint you spud.....

:rofl:

Nope.

10 Chctrs

Guitana

20th March 2007, 18:52

We moved into the iron age!

More like the Aluminium Age!!! I used to operate the auto lathes that turned out police batons for export overseas!!! Nicely weighted me and a mate used to have fights with them when the machines were running!!! They really fucken hurt when you cop one in the head!!!!
We also made dummy training land mines they were really cool to fuck with till one of the boys copped one in the face HAHAHA served the fucker right!!!!

RT527

20th March 2007, 20:06

I don't give a rats arse what any crash statistics say.

You can't die in a road crash if you aren't moving or aren't hit by another moving object. Hence the reason that we have speed limits and why speed is targeted by police, to keep mean speeds down and hopefully reduce road trauma. Trauma can happen at low speeds (as you have highlighted) but it almost always happens at higher speeds.

At 105 kph the driver of that car or the car he hit might survive, at 120 - 130 plus in a side impact you are fucked big time.

Sorry scummy I wasnt quoting stats just giving an idea of what the gummymint would have us and you believe which is a crock of shit....Cause and effect is something you must be familiar with.

Yes you are right other objects striking you at certain speeds will be a big part in how your car and body cope with a collision.

Im not sure on this but as I see it the slower the accident occurring the more chance your likely to get hurt, as you brace for the impact, at higher speeds you are often more relaxed as you dont see it coming, but as a rule yes the higher the speed = higher trauma, and Sudden Death Syndrome.

spudchucka

20th March 2007, 21:23

Sorry scummy I wasnt quoting stats just giving an idea of what the gummymint would have us and you believe which is a crock of shit....

All Govts engage in propaganda at some level. Its up to the citizens to see through the shit and work things out for themselves, a skill sadly lacking these days.

candor

21st March 2007, 01:31

ANCAP pole testing shows side impacts will usually be fatal at 60 - the idea is not to have them by not losing control and no roadside objects.

Agree with the firey. Better to crash at 100 and die fast than at 80 and suffer. Did not like the look of the body I laid out, who died nastily for an hour due to travelling at a 'cautious' tv ad induced 80 when another 80k driver suddenly swung wide over centreline to hit almost headon.

The idea is to get where u r going as fast as possible and lower your idiot exposure time as well as the risk of a lingering and painful exit if the numbers up. Well thats me anyway - would not like to suffer like that.

This speed reduction policy must be causing bulk suffering - the main reason I HATE IT. A painful cruel policy in my book. Stop the crashes or get people in first world cars (out of jap crap), don't just up the torture element.

scumdog

21st March 2007, 01:36

But driving slow gives people with slow minds time to think what they SHOULD be doing...

Insanity_rules

21st March 2007, 01:44

But driving slow gives people with slow minds time to think what they SHOULD be doing...

I whole heartedly agree with this statement!

candor

21st March 2007, 01:46

Why encourage crawling - are we thicker and slower than Yanks brains? Is Kyoto a reason to go at horse speed again. Emissions - the subject of the upcoming AA Jamboree and LTNZs obsession. Next cops will be doing some sorta exhaust test and ticketing that - oops, lips sealed.

smoky

21st March 2007, 18:10

But driving slow gives people with slow minds time to think what they SHOULD be doing...

So if we could develop a measurement of peoples brain speed - and some how link it to a speed limiter on the vehicle (blue tooth), then we could do a way with speed limits ... maybe
Mind you (excuse the pun) we would have to have seperate lanes for morons, women and intoxicated people, or they would hold up all the quick thinkers as they zoomed past at unlimited speeds:rockon: .

(the woman thing is a joke- isn't it:innocent: )

RT527

21st March 2007, 18:36

But driving slow gives people with slow minds time to think what they SHOULD be doing...

...Hahahahahah, ...Shit what am i laughing at....oh yeah what he said.Nice one Scumdog :)

SixPackBack

26th March 2007, 06:33

So lets go over this again, just how different are the pigs to any other gang (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10430867) ?

spudchucka

26th March 2007, 06:40

SixPackBack

26th March 2007, 06:46

You're a good example of how small minds can be convinced that the actions of a few individuals are an accurate representation of an entire section of society.

Find a new hobby horse, this ones gone lame.

Sounds like I struck a nerve Spud. As for the actions of a few the same could be said about gang culture, not all of them are bad yet few of us have any respect for them as a group. Just like the pigs.

marty

26th March 2007, 07:55

So lets go over this again, just how different are the pigs to any other gang (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10430867) ?

the Queen says they can....

GSX-RJIM

26th March 2007, 09:51

I was on the sh16 ride in the week end and cought up with a Highy Way patrol car. we were traviling at an indercated 110-115 kmph. when there was no traffic around he slowed down and pulled over and waved at me , indercating to past him. I past him , I turned and looked at him, he gave me the thums up signal. I very nervaously begain to speed up. It was all good, I rode at about 120 kmph and gave it some shit once I was out of sight.
Very weird.
Was I dreaming?
Is there a big Fuck off ticket in the mail?
Was he a bike rider ?
Fucks knows.

The_Dover

26th March 2007, 10:49

We do a pretty damn good job. There was a bad culture in the Police back in the 80's and early 90's.

There isnt one now, there isnt even a drinking culture. Its all PC and paranoid now. Im not sad that the culture has gone but i think what the media has been doing in terms of twisting things, not just with the Police, to sell a few more newspapers or adverstising airtime is pretty low. That latest taser report is a classic example. It takes for someone to grow some balls and threaten to report them to the Broadcasting Standards Authority for them to come out with what the other six independant witnesses they spoke to said, not just the one "independant" witness who was himself involved in the fight.

you're all shit needledick. there isn't a drinking culture!:gob:

I remember you harping on in the chatroom about getting plastered at the little piggies club on cheap piss.

next you're gonna tell me that you're not another lying little pig.:innocent:

The_Dover

26th March 2007, 10:57

Having a drink after work on one friday of one week out of a five week roster is not a drinking culture.

Try again little baby..

so you'd have no idea who the regulars in there are then?

Ixion

26th March 2007, 11:13

Having a drink after work on one friday of one week out of a five week roster is not a drinking culture.

We cant have a drink in the public domain as a group generally cause it doesnt look good and the bouncers and bar staff recognise us. So we have out own bar which we pay for out of a social fund.

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Friday night drinkies after work is pretty much a Kiwi tradition. Either in the lunch room , or back of the warehouse, or the nearest bar.

Wouldn't be a lot of places didn't crack a few cool ones on Friday night for those who want to stay. Don't think I'd call that a "drinking culture" .

Can't see why the cops should have to be different.

The_Dover

26th March 2007, 11:18

We cant have a drink in the public domain as a group generally cause it doesnt look good and the bouncers and bar staff recognise us. So we have out own bar which we pay for out of a social fund.

i suggest you send your allegations somewhere else.

Try again little baby...

Ok, faggot.

I clearly recall you talking about getting wasted on cheap booze.

Why the hell would you having drinks in a group outside of work not "look good" unless you were shit faced and behaving like a bunch of cocks?

maybe i've answered my own question. filth.

Ixion

26th March 2007, 11:32

Why the hell would you having drinks in a group outside of work not "look good" unless you were shit faced and behaving like a bunch of cocks?

Cos the world , and the nearest bar , are full of sanctimonious wankers, who would get their panties in a big knot at the sight of a cop having a drink.

And boozed up losers who get tanked up and decide that this is a good time to sort out the filth for giving them a hard time the last time they were arrested. Which then leads to all sorts of trouble and strife.

Neither of which anyone wants when they're looking for a quiet drink and a chance to unwind.

The_Dover

26th March 2007, 11:46

Cos the world , and the nearest bar , are full of sanctimonious wankers, who would get their panties in a big knot at the sight of a cop having a drink.

And boozed up losers who get tanked up and decide that this is a good time to sort out the filth for giving them a hard time the last time they were arrested. Which then leads to all sorts of trouble and strife.

Neither of which anyone wants when they're looking for a quiet drink and a chance to unwind.

That's a load of shit Ix, sorry.

Unless they go out in uniform or playing hard man cos "i'm a pig" then the chances of them even getting noticed are slim. Unless they have FILTH tattooed on their forehead.

Are you telling me that cops never go out on the town? No wonder Dyna seems so sexually frustrated, he probably never gets invited to the gang bangs either.