Wheel stands

[aff-man]

Right after reading the OUCH, be carefull boys and girls. I was just wondering (for interests sake only cause i am a good little rider) But what are the best tequniques to use due to the huge variations in power.There are two i have heard so far:

The clutch dump. Bike is rolling flick in clutch revs go up, dump clutch.

The "bunny hop". Throttle up, throttle down (compress forks) and then fang the throttle open again.


P.S. to all out there this is for information sake only and dicussion of this act in no way implies that it is to be/ carried out. Kids don't try this at home :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme

[loosebruce]

Infomation sake indeed, who does wheelies on the open road (death) as i'm still a newbie to the art of the wheel stand on a motorbike, i use the clutch in second, dial up the revs, ping the clutch, and keep it held open as she somes up, then throttle off before i flip myself. Still need a bit more practice before i start to change gears though.

Oh yeah i also make sure i have a nice straight peice of road to do it on (made that mistake before, am still paying for it to :no: )

[F5 Dave]

Whatever you do keep your rear brake covered.

On the daily commute several years back on the feisty RZ & half asleep I buttoned off from 100 for some motorway lights changing down as you do. I timed it quite well & the lights changed before I stopped so I cracked it open.

Came up quite nicely at some reasonable speed -Yeah Baby!- Even though I wasn’t really expecting it this is the fastest wheelie I’ve done. And it kept coming up. And I’m not covering the brake (hard to once you’re up) so it’s just close the throttle & pray. It came down the right way, but sure opened my eyes.

Buy yourself a trials bike. They make a nobber like me look pretty proficient.

[White trash]

Right after reading the OUCH, be carefull boys and girls. I was just wondering (for interests sake only cause i am a good little rider) But what are the best tequniques to use due to the huge variations in power.There are two i have heard so far:

The clutch dump. Bike is rolling flick in clutch revs go up, dump clutch.

The "bunny hop". Throttle up, throttle down (compress forks) and then fang the throttle open again.


P.S. to all out there this is for information sake only and dicussion of this act in no way implies that it is to be/ carried out. Kids don't try this at home :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme


Anything bigger than a modern 600 should lift off the power. Meaning that you just hold the throttle to the stop, sit well back in the seat and as the revs approach 7000, give it a tug. Nice and gentle, up she'll come.

That's how I learned on big sports bikes.

[aff-man]

and for the smaller bikes :mellow: :innocent: :innocent:

[F5 Dave]

Lots more revs, clutch & brutality. Sensitivity won't cut it.

Course this makes it fairly unpredictable how far/fast it will come up

The last thing you want to practise on is a small 4 cylinder 4 stroke. Esp not if you own it.

[gav]

yeah, well, a ZXR400 certainly aint no natural wheelie machine but still, some people out there can wheelie anything
http://www.goldwing.com.hk/AlbertTo/Wheelie%5CWheelie.jpg

[White trash]

yeah, well, a ZXR400 certainly aint no natural wheelie machine but still, some people out there can wheelie anything



Unfortunately, Simon "Ronnie" Smith aint wheelying a whole lot now days. He died in a scooter accident early last year.

[SPORK]

Unfortunately, Simon "Ronnie" Smith aint wheelying a whole lot now days. He died in a scooter accident early last year.
A scooter accident?! What? Your kidding me... Arn't you??

[gav]

Nope, had an Italjet Dragster and hit a car at night. Tragic loss, he sure was cool guy and was just starting to break into top BSB racing.

[aff-man]

nope it happened near his home as well. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=183&highlight=ronnie

[rodgerd]

Lots more revs, clutch & brutality. Sensitivity won't cut it.

Course this makes it fairly unpredictable how far/fast it will come up

The last thing you want to practise on is a small 4 cylinder 4 stroke. Esp not if you own it.

Does make it predictable how long the clutch and engine won't last, though...

[Two Smoker]

With your ZXR400, i would use the clutch dump to start off with.... Get moving at like 5 kmh, clutch in and increase the revs (try 10 grand, start of the powerband) and just drop the clutch, no weight transfer. See how high it comes up and what it feels like.... then just increase the revs and then start to do weight transfer..... Youll be sweet in no time :niceone:

[DEATH_INC.]

I use 3 different techniques;
(1)Just use the power.Hold her wide open in first and sit up,most modern 600's and bigger will stand up with this method(on ZX12's busa's gixx thou's ect use 2nd,first is a bit violent...)
(2)use the throttle off/on/pull the bars.This'll only work on a powerful bike (600cc+)or if you've got a bit of a hump to launch off,or are real strong and well co-ordinated.
(3)clutch her up.This is what I do most of the time,2nd gear(or third with a hump,gixx thou ect)get up 'till yer just in the powerband,then give the clutch a bit of a slip(till the revs get up to where max torque is)then release it quickly and up she'll come.
On less powerful bikes,you'll need to combo 2 & 3 but using first instead of second.(I've only ever got Draco's 400 up a couple of times)
I don't cover the rear brake,it's to awkward,especially standing.
NO1 RULE:DON'T EVER TAKE YOUR FEET OFF THE PEGS IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA FLIP!!!!Doing this will guarantee that you do!Shut the throttle and hang in there 'till the gaurd starts to plough the road,you'll be amazed what will come back down.
And don't blame me when your fork seals start leaking.......

[FROSTY]

Of course you could try learning how to ride the bike first. Get to know how it handles -what it does under weight transfer -how much it shakes the front end when it smacks down to earth --But then again what would I know -I cant wheelie for shit. :mad:

[Hitcher]

Ahhh, horsepower AND torque! Short-shift into first gear, roll on steadily in second until about 5,000rpm and then wring its neck a bit. Pop! There's too much going on in first gear for an old geezer like me to even contemplate getting the front up -- it's enough fun getting to the legal limit in first in about five seconds anyway! I haven't popped any first-gear wheelies since I sold the Zeal.

[NordieBoy]

See what Veggie Dave (http://www.veggie-dave.co.uk/supermotard/faq.html#hdidaw) has to say on the subject.

[Zed]

...(3)clutch her up.This is what I do most of the time,2nd gear(or third with a hump,gixx thou ect)...
How long do you ride it out in 2nd/3rd for before changing into 4th? I trust you gear change all the way to 6th? :yes:

Also, can you bring it up in 1st and change through all the gears to 6th in one wheel stand?


Zed