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Paul in NZ
12th March 2007, 10:30
A big thanks to Pete at Wellington Motorcycles for considering me trustworthy enough to handle several thousands of dollars worth of the latest and greatest this weekend. I thought, in the best traditions of KB a little review might be in order, but be warned, this is NOT written from an experienced roadtesters point of view. I may have ridden a few bikes over a lot of years and done a shit load of miles but it’s mostly been on older stuff and while I have punted a few things about on trackdays – I’m no knee down warrior…. And I have no desire to be one.

So where to start…. The Buell XB12SS…. Oh gawd…. Seriously, where DO you start to describe this ‘thing’. Well if I was a magazine roadtester I’d research what everyone else said and bang on about rake angles, damping rates, tyre width, turn in rates, torque, and all sorts weird and wonderful technical stuff that we all think we kinda understand and that all creditable bikers MUST understand but then that’s totally missing the point of the Buell. Frankly, I really don’t think it cares what you think, it’s gunna do what it likes to do and that’s have fun!

It does sort of pay loose attention to the riders input and sometimes it behaves but mostly it chortles away to itself like some kinda mad street person, and that not a bad analogy. I was going to an early meeting last week, beautiful sunny morning and saw a guy sitting out in the sun having a beer in Cuba Mall. Apart from wondering where he got a beer at 9am I was kinda outraged in my taxpayer corporate world but hang on, beer is good, sun is good and really he didn’t give a blow what I thought, he was well into his beer buzz and living for the now…. He’d ride a Buell (if he could stand that is) I reckon – or at least would understand it.

When Pete suggested it I was not sure what to expect, when he started it up in the showroom and kindly gassed it up for me and suddenly it had my full attention – fark – what a racket… First impression was it does not idle well. Oh it won’t stall or anything but it sort of grumbles and chuffles away like your mad uncle, the one that took too many steroids in the 80’s body building craze and you know that something unusual is going on down there and it’s best not to ask what. People in cars at the lights look the other way and really try not to meet your gaze. It’s quite intimidating – and that’s just the idle -

OK – 1st gear and away from the shop without falling off – it’s quite tall in the very comfortable saddle and really quite predictable. Hmmm, I actually like this and it feels a lot like a ‘classic’ bike rather than a big Japanese UJM. Like in a roadtest from the 50’s, this tester noted that all the controls fell readily to hand and all were easily operated with gloved hands. Top marks there. The steep slippery ramp to the basement carpark is easily negotiated and in fact it’s all too easy – there has to be something it’s not telling me surely?

Soon enough it’s time to ask some more ‘searching’ questions and time to take the long way home over the Paekakareki Hill road… First we have to get out of the basement, strangers are asking wtf is THAT and everyone smiles as the monster chortles into life, dust falls from the ceiling and the Audis alarm goes off (It was scared I think) and again, thanks to an easy riding position a total amateur gets it out of the basement simply. Now we have to deal with 50km of Friday night traffic and motorway hell before we can find the twisty bits but amazingly, it’s a pleasure to ride in traffic, why? Because traffic parts in front of it as it muscles its way down the motorway. It scared me to death at the bottom of the Naronga Gorge when the hot weather made the fan kick in – trust me, if you can hear the fan over that exhaust, it’s significant.

Because it was still pretty new I didn’t worry about revving it to the redline and stuff and because it still rev’s harder than my old triumph I found short shifting and rolling along on the torque was an easy way to pile on speed. Speaking of which the gear shift was ‘positive’ – ie it was like dropping a brick into a bucket, you knew when it was in, but it always went in and I liked it. No mistakes!

OK – we leave the motorway behind and pile into the first tight bend, WHOA…. What’s this?? It feels, um, odd? Unique?? Dunno, a sort of odd pitching and a little weave, nothing to get worried about but it does not handle like anything I’ve ridden, in fact it was a bit scary but decide to have faith in the bike so we press on and after experimenting a little with weight distribution and technique it starts to come together a bit better. This bike does not carve up corners like a sports bike, it does not back in like a motard or sweep in arc’s like my Moto Guzzi. It sort of invades the corners, steals all their women, rapes the chickens and burns down the barn and then high tails it outta there leaving the corner slightly dazed, scorched and wondering what the heck happened! I found it just needed a firm hand and positive management to get the best out of it but rather than detracting from the ride, it enhanced it. It demanded your attention and if you engaged with it on its terms and trusted in the designer, life was good.

Having said that, the bike would definitely require a bit of suspension tweaking to get the best out of it but that’s true with any bike straight from the crate – you have to set it up for yourself. Certainly with Vicki as pillion it felt a lot better planted but I’ll let wiser souls worry about it, it’s time for more FUN!

A few bends up the road I was just piling into bends and pounding out of them ignoring the gear shift and changing when I felt like it – hilarious. The brakes were pretty awesome although I’m sure I could detect a jink if giving the front a tap. Under harder braking it was predicable and strong.

Now Vicki has a regular get together with ‘the ladies’. Tonight’s little hoolie was at a very very nice house in a very nice street. The sort of street that’s more accustomed to the thrum of polished SUV’s and the burble of new V8 Commodores than the psycho crob snuffle phrapp fart from a manic Buell… The man of the house has been considering a HD so Vicki invited him out to check out the beast and all the ladies and assorted men folk came too clutching glasses of Chardonnay (as if that was gunna save then). They think Vicki is quite daring riding with an idiot like me so we ended up with quite a crowd and 2 poodles (one got sucked into the fan intake) ogling the snorting Buell Monster. Even they could tell it was something ‘special’ and they were all a bit intimidated by it and I could tell they were just waiting for me to make a tit of myself.

The Vickster suited up and climbed on…. Now she HAD been drinking and when I asked if she wanted to leave in style I’m sure she said yes so away we went… Oh dear… People will be talking about it for weeks and one of the ladies later asked Vicki if Paul had warned you he was going to ‘do that’…. Without batting an eyelid Vicki replied that she was not sure even Paul knew he was going to do that but lets just say, in that street, all the women want to be with me and all the men want to be me and I won’t be invited back for a few weeks… What a beast, the ultimate urban terror vehicle…. It was all so ‘easy’…. Easy as loosing your license in three lamp post lengths.

In conclusion - In a world where all bikes seem to get benchmarked against each other and thus become clones of a theoretical ideal, it's refreshing to see a product that ignores the opposition and forges a new path to fun land. I honestly believe only the yanks could have built this thing and bloody good on em. They probably started with a team meeting and wrote up all the modern virtues of japanes sports bikes and then said - nah! We don't want any of that stuff and they just started having a laugh with an old sportster enging and some tube - it's got more character than a russian novel, less focus than the Hubble telescope and more fun than a weekend with a nymphomaniac alcoholic singer in a rock band - you know you are going to end up in jail by monday morning but it's so worth it.....

And that’s the bottom line – the Buell was easy, comfortable and FUN. More fun than I can remember ever having on a bike that I’d never ridden before. I always felt in control of everything except my smile and the speed limit, what a hoot. The pillion was waaaaayyyy better than it looked and if you lived in a city, you prefer an SS Holden to a BMW and jeans to an Armani suit, your partner wants to come for rides and could only have one bike, this might be the bike for you. 100% grin machine. Go see Pete and book a test ride – tell him the terror of Paraparaumu sent you….

vifferman
12th March 2007, 10:39
I really enjoyed that (especially the bit about the poodle getting sucked into the fan, heh heh...)
Good stuff, Paul. :niceone:

skelstar
12th March 2007, 10:39
Good write up Paul...question is: would YOU buy one?

Paul in NZ
12th March 2007, 11:11
Good write up Paul...question is: would YOU buy one?

Given the unlimited choice of bikes that thinly segment all markets - I'd think long and hard about it.

We rode the Triumph 675 a few kms as well and while that was really exciting it's too focussed and pillion unfriendly for me. If I could afford it as a trackday toy - I'd have one tomorrow...

Back to the Buell - the XB12SS was way better than I expected but then I don't get into over analysing things - it's a bike, it's fun and it's got more capability than I have ability - wheres the problem? What it has done is open my eyes and I'd seriously consider the trail / adventure version.

However, the XB12SS is more a 'day trip' bike and I have a bloody good one already. Will it temptp me off the Triumph? erm - no.

Paul N

ps - It's also highlighted an issue for Buells marketting dept. (I think it was you?? that commented you hit the rev limiter overtaking a car and the engine almost stopped?? There is a generation that thinks 7,000rpm is a fast idle and they struggle with these kinds of bikes. Thats sad - because that is a very good 'day' bike.

Big Dave
12th March 2007, 11:26
What am I - Feckin' chopped liver? ;-)

I have been working my way through the Buell test fleet for the last month.
Have had the Firebolt, City - X and the new TT as well as my 12X.

There are several bikes in the downright FUN category - My preferences are KTM motards, Triumph Speed Triple and the Buell range - bikes that are just huge grin factor without going a kazillion miles an hour.

You want silly fun in an urban environment - get a city X - brilliant bike.

Couple of thousand words in KR upcoming.

There is a buell to suit most size and types of rider now too.
also - spares are cheap and mine has been problem free.

Lovin' this thing especially too.

skelstar
12th March 2007, 11:27
ps - It's also highlighted an issue for Buells marketting dept. (I think it was you?? that commented you hit the rev limiter overtaking a car and the engine almost stopped?? There is a generation that thinks 7,000rpm is a fast idle and they struggle with these kinds of bikes. Thats sad - because that is a very good 'day' bike.

Twas Nigel (Kendog). I'd find the limited rev range...frustrating I think.

Big Dave
12th March 2007, 11:38
Twas Nigel (Kendog). I'd find the limited rev range...frustrating I think.


Engines that don't do anything under 7,000 are far more frustrating in a road going machine.

These things have got a manunf 100hp and a shitload or torque. More than enough for ALL road applications.

skelstar
12th March 2007, 11:49
To be honest I don't use MY motor much higher than 6,500rpm most of the time, but when things get busy its nice to have the overrun (admittedly into the actual powerband).

Any chance it sounds like I might know what Im talking about is purely coincidental.

Devil
12th March 2007, 12:04
Any chance it sounds like I might know what Im talking about is purely coincidental.

yeah, hah. When you try it, you'll get it. You spend most of your time between 2-4000rpm on the buells, it's rare to run out of revs! It's all torque.

nudemetalz
12th March 2007, 12:07
Nice write up, Paul.

Good to see people still like air-cooled pushrod v-twin's in this day and age of techno-machines that are all quite similar looking (in my opinion only).

NDMz

Motu
12th March 2007, 12:11
you hit the rev limiter overtaking a car and the engine almost stopped?? There is a generation that thinks 7,000rpm is a fast idle and they struggle with these kinds of bikes.

Just something you threw together over the coffee break eh? It should polish up.It was also pretty damn good (very high praise from me)

Yes,I think there are a hell of a lot of riders who have no idea about bottom end riding,to just ride twisties in one gear....idle to 7,000 between corners....bliss.I remember 35 years ago when a mate was driving my VW ( I had lost my licence) and we were going up a hill....he had it rung out in 3rd,all it's 3,000 rpm.''It won't go any faster'' he yelled over the racket.I told him to drop it into top - ''No,no,it won't take it'' he said,as that would drop the revs to 2,000rpm.I told him it would actualy pick up speed if he changed up uphill at those revs....finally I had to scream at him to fucking well put it into top!! So he did....and then it dropped a valve.

And then started the trip of a lifetime...but that's another story.

riffer
12th March 2007, 12:25
I must admit the limited rev band caught me out the first time I rode a Buell. 'twas an XB9S and I yanked the throttle back hard going up Kent Terrace from Welly Motorcycles. The front came up instantly and just as quickly the rev limited came in and, you guessed it, the front came down even quicker.

The last time I had that feeling was a day after my vasectomy.

And Motu - its not that the power is no good - it's just that it flies through the revs so fast its a disappointment having to change so often.

Big Dave
12th March 2007, 12:32
The beauty of the Buell is a tight twisty road and leaving it in third all the way.

Motu
12th March 2007, 13:04
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/morton.html.

And Motu - its not that the power is no good - it's just that it flies through the revs so fast its a disappointment having to change so often.

Try driving a 15 speed unladen tractor unit with an 1,800 rpm red line - all you do is change gear,but it's a shit load of fun.

And as Dave said (and I said earlier) stuck in one gear in the twisties - I haven't ridden a Buell,but I have ridden bikes that did the same thing,it's fun,and makes you such a smooth rider.

Rashika
12th March 2007, 13:11
The beauty of the Buell is a tight twisty road and leaving it in third all the way.

yeah indeed!! esp after having just finished the Babes on Buell 2007 tour southern leg, which included the '25kms corners for the next 3kms' sign a few times, not to mention the Catlins, 'windy road for the next 56kms' sign....BLISSSSSSSS.

Damn fine writeup Paul, now have you bought your lotto ticket yet? :rockon:

Forest
12th March 2007, 17:02
The beauty of the Buell is a tight twisty road and leaving it in third all the way.

That's why I like the big BMW twins. There's so much torque and engine-braking that you can easily ride just using the throttle ... roll-on, roll-off, repeat.

Bliss!

scumdog
12th March 2007, 17:12
Engines that don't do anything under 7,000 are far more frustrating in a road going machine.

These things have got a manunf 100hp and a shitload or torque. More than enough for ALL road applications.

True.

Most of the time I get by with using 2,000rpm to 4,500pm rev range

And most of THAT is under 3,500rpm

oldguy
12th March 2007, 18:29
Good write up, been thinking about getting a Buell XB12R may have to get a test ride. cheers for that write up Paul.

SpinFx
12th March 2007, 18:58
Nice write up Paul, I've had my 1200 X1 Lightning for a month or so now and totally agree with everything you say about Buells, living in the north there aren't alot of super long straights and plenty of corners....so I find the Buell perfect for the roads, used to ride sportys alot but dont really think I'd change back or go to a big block either, It's just to much fun to ride the Buell, awesome torque and plenty of power and speed for me. Havent ridden an XB12 yet , I imagine theyd be pretty similar ??? Cheers

Her_C4
12th March 2007, 19:03
What a brilliant write up Paul :yes: I read and enjoyed every word...:gob:


Might even be tempted to try one out myself :shit:

Paul in NZ
12th March 2007, 19:47
What a brilliant write up Paul :yes: I read and enjoyed every word...:gob:


Might even be tempted to try one out myself :shit:

Go see Pete at Wgn M/c's, you have nothing to loose except your preconcieved ideas. :yes: I was really quite impressed by it and more than anything by it's simplicity and the sheer dumb fun... I felt like I was a kid again!

Kendog
12th March 2007, 20:43
Twas Nigel (Kendog). I'd find the limited rev range...frustrating I think.

It was me.

It caught me be surprise as I am used to the Hornet which has a fair bit of torque (no comparison to the Buell). I just roll the throttle in what ever gear and it picks up speed nice and easy to make the pass.

I had no idea what gear I was in at the time on the Buell, twisted the wrist and the bike was accelerating, no problem so far. Pulled out and kept the throttle open but my speed was not increasing anymore (would have been about 100kph) I was not sure what was happening until I looked at the rev counter, hmm better change up. My mistake here was opening the throttle again in the next gear. On the Hornet no problems as the power comes on fairly easy. On the Buell it was my only 'oh shit' moment of the day. That power was amazing and I was really surprised, caught me right off guard.

I understand now what I was doing wrong, I was not riding the Buell in its ideal rev range and gear for that passing move.

Great write up again Paul. I did enjoy riding this bike as well, it really is an experience.

kiwi2000
12th March 2007, 21:11
hey i have always been interested in the buell's..What would be the best one for longer trips like say 600kms day trips...

alexthekidd
12th March 2007, 21:48
Hey it had a really nice seat too, i must have spent a decent 4 hours on it :lol:

Big Dave
12th March 2007, 22:28
hey i have always been interested in the buell's..What would be the best one for longer trips like say 600kms day trips...


If you are tall enough for it the XB12X is my choice of rides.
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Paul in NZ
13th March 2007, 07:44
hey i have always been interested in the buell's..What would be the best one for longer trips like say 600kms day trips...

That depends on you and your expectations. The biggest limitation for us would be the lack of a place to carry a bit of kit. I'm a type 1 Diabetic so i have insulin, blood test meter, snack food and we usually carry a first aid kit, camera, wallets, caps etc so on the XB12SS that would mean a backpack for Vicki or a tankbag. Both our current bikes are easier to bungy stuff on but like dave said, the adventue thingy would be worth a spin.

Drop into Wellington M/C's and take one for a spin - well worth it for the giggle factor alone - cheaper than a movie ticket and more fun than jaywalking

awd
13th March 2007, 21:18
Great write up Paul, I've been too busy riding my XB12X to write anything about it over the last few months since I got it. The fun factor is amazing! I have to concur, it is the best bike I have ever ridden, bar none. I'm going to have to get a new helmet because the grin it puts on my face has worn out the cheek pads in my current one!:Punk:

2 years ago I laughed at Buells, then Big Dave got his and raved about it I thought mmmm, maybe. Then I rode one and was sold straight away.

Big Dave
14th March 2007, 08:15
'I love it when a plan comes together.'

Blackbuell
14th March 2007, 09:08
I got asked to go for a test ride on a Buell over 2 years ago,All i had ever Ridden was Jap Sport Bikes & Plenty of Moto X Bikes,I was the first person to always rubbish Harleys & Buells calling them Tractors. I rode my GSXR750 to Amps for the test ride,After the test ride i sold my Gsxr,i have now Been the proud owner of a 04xb12r Recently sold to another Converted Kb member & now have a 06xb12r,these bikes are just awsome fun,its great to see more riders are catching on to what the likes of Big Dave & i have known for a while now.

Blackbuell
14th March 2007, 09:23
Great report as well there Paul.

Motig
14th March 2007, 09:51
The Bike magazine for Jan 07 has a 1 page review of a Lightning XB12Scg which has an inch taken from the seat and another inch or so from the suspension for the vertically challenged. The sg stands for centre of gravity apparently. Also liked your report Paul.

Dooly
14th March 2007, 10:42
Whats the top end speed for a Buell, say for the fairing crouch ride one.
Or any.
Anyone wound theirs out?

Blackbuell
14th March 2007, 13:41
04xb12r fully racekitted usa import 250k,s my nz 06xb12r race kitted 230,ks

Dooly
14th March 2007, 14:42
04xb12r fully racekitted usa import 250k,s my nz 06xb12r race kitted 230,ks

Would the 04 be your bike for sale on TM via Motohaus?
If so, its a damn neat looking mahcine.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-91066474.htm

Blackbuell
14th March 2007, 15:11
Would the 04 be your bike for sale on TM via Motohaus?
If so, its a damn neat looking mahcine.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-91066474.htm

Na,Sold mine to a KB member privatly,2 weeks ago,yes it was a dam fine machine & sold it cheaper than what they are wanting for it,cheers BB:rockon:

Rashika
14th March 2007, 15:13
Whats the top end speed for a Buell, say for the fairing crouch ride one.
Or any.
Anyone wound theirs out?

up to 230 on mine so far (XB12R racekitted), and it was still pulling (that was about 6300rpm, redline is 7000) .... but I was getting scared ;)

SpinFx
14th March 2007, 17:18
Only been up to 180k's on mine to date.......Afterall it's the torque in the lower gears that impressed me, not the top speed. Good if you need to get away from the feds but you also need a death wish for that. You run out of road pretty quick. 0 -100 is rather quick though. ( not sure of exact spec )

Rashika
14th March 2007, 19:56
Only been up to 180k's on mine to date.......Afterall it's the torque in the lower gears that impressed me, not the top speed. Good if you need to get away from the feds but you also need a death wish for that. You run out of road pretty quick. 0 -100 is rather quick though. ( not sure of exact spec )

Yours looks the same as Buellbabes X1, tho hers didn't start off black...they go pretty damn good ;)

SpinFx
16th March 2007, 18:25
mines a nz import, november 2006, with 5000k on the clock when bought.....12,000 cash. Hard to believe in 4 years it only did 5000kms, but original papers state most of it's life was spent on the showroom floor. Has had race kit and exhaust installed, just replaced top end gaskets with metal ones two weeks age as it developed a small leak....covered by warranty.

Clivoris
16th March 2007, 19:36
I definitely enjoyed my spin on the Buell up in Waikanae. If most of my riding consisted of blasting up and down the Rimutaka Hill, I'd have one. Especially if I had another track bike to get my "rev it till it screams" thrills. Quite an eye opener and I reckon owning one would improve my riding.