police chase

[NUTBAR]

i saw on the late news i think it was on saturday night, motorbike down after chase. bike was on a bank on the side of the road police car was not far from it.
they said there will b an investigation in to the chase.
there will be (& this is where it gets interesting)an inquiry as to why there is a dent and black tire mark on the front of the patrol car.

has anybody heard anything about this?

[bobsmith]

Now this WILL be interesting...

I believe that police should chase all running vehicles but running them off the road, especially in the case of a bike... I just don't know... But hey if you're not going to be able to keep up with it, better run it off the road before it gets away from you.

[alexthekidd]

what will they really gain though by chasing a bike or cars, too often are we seeing people die from fucktard cops giving chase in small cases like 10km/h over the limit, i suppose it all adds up, that million....

[NUTBAR]

they also said the speed was up to 130kph?
running from the cops on a sports bike......i dont think so!

[Smorg]

why would you even bother running from teh cops if your not going to exceed 130kph, what a waste of time

[bobsmith]

130km/hr??????? on a sports bike????

More like the bike simply didn't realise they were being chased....

[Devil]

I saw that on the news! One destroyed ducati (916/996/998 shape).
"chase was called off after the rider lost control and crashed, police are investigating how a patrol car was damaged in the incident" and of course on the video, right in the middle of the cops front bumper is a bloody great black mark!

I dont say it much, but...

Cunts.

Running is stupid, but knocking someone off is even stupider.

[The_Dover]

maybe it a was a hyosung.

[elle-f]

was that the one where the police car was seen bumping the bike the other day along a suburban street. i remember reading about it on another forum

[Indiana_Jones]

maybe it a was a hyosung.

na, it was an FXR150

-Indy

[unhingedlizard]

why, when they can just come see you the next day by reading your number plate, do they chase at all?
OK, some cases where its a stolen car etc but when its just a speeder why? Its not like its GTA, get away from the cops and they then just give up.

[avgas]

If a cop shunted me i would be probably charged for assaulting an officer. Shit i get angry when normal cars do it.

[Grahameeboy]

why, when they can just come see you the next day by reading your number plate, do they chase at all?
OK, some cases where its a stolen car etc but when its just a speeder why? Its not like its GTA, get away from the cops and they then just give up.

I agree............even with a stolen vehicle.....Police know likely outcome and a death or serious injury is not worth it.

Okay you could say the offender should stop but this is when the 'Flight' or 'Fight' mechanism kicks in and human nature being as it is when we panic.

[The_Dover]

Look guys, before we all jump to conclusions and start castigating the boys in blue (who do a fine job serving and protecting the public from murderous P fiends and rapists might I add), lets consider what may have REALLY happened.

Joe Schmoe with the highlights and bleached ring piece is cruising along on his tractor, mr policeman sees him and attempts to pull him over to see where he got that beautiful manicure done.

Joe panics, thinking that the cop he was cottaging with in the Western Park gentlemens facilities on Friday night is going to out him in public, his homosexuality is a well guarded secret after all.

He drops the hammer on his fine italian stallion and is soon racing off at speeds of up to 80km/h. But the cop is on him like semen stains on an italian silk tie, so he gives it full noise.

BANG, the stallion drops a valve, Joe Schmoe locks up the tractor and the policeman rear ends him (reminiscent of Friday night in Ponsonby!!).

Leaving one buggered ducati and a skid mark on the policemans leading edge, again.

After all, there's no way a fine upstanding pillar of the community would endanger life like that.

[Finn]

If I was a cop, I'd do the same. Ramming someone off the road would be a nice break from all the paperwork and bullshit. I just hope the cop was maori because maori cops can get away with murder... well rape anyway.

Stop bitching just because you ride a bike and think this is a brotherhood. He was breaking the law and got what he deserved. Go the pigs! Nail them all!

[Macktheknife]

There should be an investigation, if the cop did this deliberately then he should get the standard slap with a wet bus ticket, just like all the other crims, and perhaps some counselling for anger management.
Seriously though, where did this happen?

[pritch]

Ramming someone off the road would be a nice break from all the paperwork and bullshit. I just hope the cop was maori because maori cops can get away with murder... well rape anyway.

Oh the cynicism :yes: !

I'da given you bling just for the sheer magnitude of it but that doesn't seem to be an option currently... You been naughty???

[Finn]

I'da given you bling just for the sheer magnitude of it but that doesn't seem to be an option currently... You been naughty???

Not naughty, just misunderstood.

[Babelfish]

The cock gets a tough shit from me for it for his scarper tactics, and if the cops hit him, its just typical bully boy dumbass shite that you'd expect considering the pricks that run the joint...mmm hhmm...sorry, as you were

[Jantar]

On another forum a witness has reported that shortly before the crash the cop car was following only inches behind the motorcycle's rear wheel. If the cop was as close as claimed, then there was no way the motorcyclist could have slowed down or stopped safely. The only safe safe thing for the rider to do is to try and make sufficient room between himself and the pursuing car that he could then stop.

There is no excuse for the cops being so close in a pursuit if it is only a traffic matter. If it was a stolen bike, or the pursuit was for some other serious offence, then good on the cop for taking him out.

[aprilia fan]

I was nearly run off the road by a mufti cop in his brand new v8 supercharged holden down great south road, I was doing all of 115 and had ear plugs in on my V2 and didnt even know he was there until he was along side me swerving into me, swerved into me twice and then cut me off and stopped right in front me, I wasnt running and it was just bloody dangerous, i lost all respect for them after that.

[BNZ]

On another forum a witness has reported that shortly before the crash the cop car was following only inches behind the motorcycle's rear wheel.

Its the governments new plan to be carbon nuetral. They have started by instructing all state vehicles to wind-draft.

Hopefully they will soon put a tax on excessive gas emissions from talking politicians.

[BNZ]

a mufti cop in his brand new v8 supercharged holden

Sure it wasnt just a random bogan? I wasnt aware the cops had bought v8's, or supercharged them? Go the nz po-po

[Quartermile]

Yea was that the one by the Oripi Roundabout, down that back way.

[aprilia fan]

yep, he was at the roundabout, and he was a bogan. another patrol car turned up after i had stopped so he had obviously called in and said I was running, just an excuse for a chase on his part I guess.

[Warr]

i saw on the late news i think it was on saturday night, motorbike down after chase. bike was on a bank on the side of the road police car was not far from it.
they said there will b an investigation in to the chase.
there will be (& this is where it gets interesting)an inquiry as to why there is a dent and black tire mark on the front of the patrol car.

has anybody heard anything about this?
bump iti bump

Any more news on this ...
Plenty of loose ends here that I for one would like to know about

Where did it happen ?
Is the rider ok, hospital ... worse ??
Has the rider being charged ?
Is there going to be a public investigation on the police side ?

Or is this part of the new tactics to be expected for making it safer for us all out there !!!!

[kiwifruit]

I was nearly run off the road by a mufti cop in his brand new v8 supercharged holden down great south road, I was doing all of 115 and had ear plugs in on my V2 and didnt even know he was there until he was along side me swerving into me, swerved into me twice and then cut me off and stopped right in front me, I wasnt running and it was just bloody dangerous, i lost all respect for them after that.

115? Whoa!!! You can't do that sort of thing and think you'll get away with it :nono:

[MIZXR]

A few years ago a mate took off between traffic on his old gs100 (me thinks), got involved in a small police chase throu central CHCH on a busy Fri or Sat night. aftrt weaving in and out of traffic and heading round a block or two a friendly Police officer decided to knock him off into a taxi.

Result my mat had to pay for his bike and the taxi to be fixxed> Arseholes want to kill bikers>

[KLOWN]

I'm with jantar. Not ok for traffic offence. Its fine to kill the offender if its stolen or worse. I mean if they caught the crim then nothing would happen. Punish them through pain.

[bobsmith]

A question.

In NZ do we have cameras on Police cars to record what's happening or do we rely on the honesty of piggies?? lol

[scumdog]

A question.

In NZ do we have cameras on Police cars to record what's happening or do we rely on the honesty of piggies?? lol

Both police and public don't tell lies so there's no need for cameras.....

[marty]

I was nearly run off the road by a mufti cop in his brand new v8 supercharged holden down great south road, I was doing all of 115 and had ear plugs in on my V2 and didnt even know he was there until he was along side me swerving into me, swerved into me twice and then cut me off and stopped right in front me, I wasnt running and it was just bloody dangerous, i lost all respect for them after that.


what a fucking tosser! a supercharged v8? here's a clue - when you're talking shit, at least make it believable shit.

[Lorax]

A few years ago a mate took off between traffic on his old gs100 (me thinks), got involved in a small police chase throu central CHCH on a busy Fri or Sat night. aftrt weaving in and out of traffic and heading round a block or two a friendly Police officer decided to knock him off into a taxi.

Result my mat had to pay for his bike and the taxi to be fixxed> Arseholes want to kill bikers>

Your mate shouldn't've run. Simple. No sympathy there. At all. Run from cops, be prepared to get f*$ked up. Simple.


why, when they can just come see you the next day by reading your number plate, do they chase at all?
OK, some cases where its a stolen car etc but when its just a speeder why? Its not like its GTA, get away from the cops and they then just give up.

The person stops being "just a speeder" as soon as they run from the cops. Completely different story. They're all of a sudden shifting from a de-criminalised situation (speedin fine, no record) to a serious offence.

It's just a pity that during past pursuits (and future no doubt), innocent people have died. I have absolutely no problem if a person fleeing dies. :whocares: None. Natural selection.

[samo]

Your mate shouldn't've run. Simple. No sympathy there. At all. Run from cops, be prepared to get f*$ked up. Simple.



The person stops being "just a speeder" as soon as they run from the cops. Completely different story. They're all of a sudden shifting from a de-criminalised situation (speedin fine, no record) to a serious offfence..

completly agree, whats the point in running from the fuzz? especially around suburbia. just endangers the community. But saying that, running someone off the road is crazy! the cop must'v known that if he hit him at 130 he was going to get seriously injuried!

[aprilia fan]

what a fucking tosser! a supercharged v8? here's a clue - when you're talking shit, at least make it believable shit.

ok so im not a car fan, the cop was telling me about his car I was hardly paying attention, bit pissed off about nearly been run off the road. I like the bike in your profile, is that yours?

[EroSamnin]

He was "running" doing 130? Suuuuuurely the cop would have realised that 130 isn't really running and the guy was just useless at looking in his mirrors and couldn't hear over the noise of the mighty V-Twin as he tootoo'd along at slightly over the speed limit. The guy would have noticed eventually and pulled over.
Unless it was in 50k zone... In that case, the guy was being a tard and needed to be "naturally" selected.

[Timber020]

Cops arent likley to report him doing 150 and staying with the guy are they, because that would admit that they were driving at speeds that could be percieved as indangering the public.

[Brett]

Nah, I am sure I know what happens. Ducatti are often known for being faulty. The guy bought a new bike and was in the middle of his first shot through the gears, and realised that the bike wouldn;t shift up from 1st and as such was stuck doing 130kph. At least, that is what I would say to save some cred about running on a duke and only hitting 130...

[Warr]

Ditto "Pittock" from "SmileCity Forum"
10/3/2007 10:20:35 PM....http://www.smilecity.co.nz/benefits.asp?go=forum&tp=135649&ca=1

Y'all
There is NO justification for there to be TWO speeding vehicles, or to conduct a chase for a property or traffic offence, as this is life-threatening. Property or technical traffic offences do not as a rule cause death. In 2003 at least TEN people, some innocent others, lost their lives as a result of police pursuits. They could have rounded up the cuplrits later at an address - this is a very small country and an island: where can they go? We ought to regard life more dearly... but the when you look at the abortion figures, it begins to confirm that, with a few exceptions, NZ is pretty much a nation of barbarians.

[terbang]

If someone does a runner and then falls off and gets hurt or worse as a result of outriding him/herself, then thems the breaks. However when a cop initiates a pursuit for speeding, thus escalating the situation, rather than getting a number plate and visiting the next day, he becomes no better than the runner, especially if Joe (bystander) Bloggs gets caught up in it.

[Jimmy B]

what a fucking tosser! a supercharged v8? here's a clue - when you're talking shit, at least make it believable shit.

Actually Marty, and I dont mean to detract from your post, but we had a Supercharged V6 Commode as a work vehicle a few years back, they were quite common and had "supercharged" discretely written on the side in lurverly chrome, just above the "V6". Tis not that much of a stretch to think the mufti guys may have had one or 2. Fair to say it was a very popular vehicle with the lads on Client visits. :yes:

[KLOWN]

Actually Marty, and I dont mean to detract from your post, but we had a Supercharged V6 Commode as a work vehicle a few years back, they were quite common and had "supercharged" discretely written on the side in lurverly chrome, just above the "V6". Tis not that much of a stretch to think the mufti guys may have had one or 2. Fair to say it was a very popular vehicle with the lads on Client visits. :yes:

i was also going to say i thought they made a v6 supercharged varient but i don't think they do in the v8, which was posted. But its easy to mistake v6 for v8. Ford also do a turbo v6 and, maybe, used to(?) do a super charged v6

[Squeak the Rat]

Is this story legit, and if so has it been quashed, ignored or what?

I know two people that have been bollocked for not pulling over on their bikes simply because they didn't see the cops behind them. Poor riding? Definitely. A reason to die? No way.

[Jimmy B]

i was also going to say i thought they made a v6 supercharged varient but i don't think they do in the v8, which was posted. But its easy to mistake v6 for v8. Ford also do a turbo v6 and, maybe, used to(?) do a super charged v6

I dont know about Ford but suspect they didnt go there until the Turbo Typhoon etc, the Commodore we had would've been an 00 or 01 model and was V6. I dont think Holden did a supercharged V8, probably no real point. A mate of mine had a 2002 XU6 which was an HSV supercharged V6 - Nice quick cage that one :yes:

[vifferman]

I know two people that have been bollocked for not pulling over on their bikes simply because they didn't see the cops behind them. Poor riding? Definitely.

Not necessarilileilryly. Many sprots bikes have very poor rear "vision" mirrors, so he may have just been admiring his elbows, and wondering why they seemed to be flashing red/blue around the edges.

My mirrors are good, and I'm relatively obervant. But even so, if I was cruising at 130km/h (which is only a couple of mm above 100 on my poxy speedo) and some cop rear-ended me to get my attention, I'd be more than a tad pissed off. Possibly even a kilotad or megatad.

[imdying]

That would be the metric tad as opposed to the imperial version? :lol:

[scumdog]

If someone does a runner and then falls off and gets hurt or worse as a result of outriding him/herself, then thems the breaks. However when a cop initiates a pursuit for speeding, thus escalating the situation, rather than getting a number plate and visiting the next day, he becomes no better than the runner, especially if Joe (bystander) Bloggs gets caught up in it.

Meh, I'm sure the car thief would REALLY be surprised to find the cops knew where he lived by looking at the number plate on the stolen car he was driving...:whistle: ......

[terbang]

Sure, but I said for speeding and why potentially lose a life or injure someone else over a stolen vehical?

[Squeak the Rat]

We have a justice system where you are innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, but we're also happy to risk peoples lives on the suspicion of stolen property......? Hmmmm :sherlock:

ps - like the avatar tb.

[Edbear]

Interesting thread! By the way, does anyone actually know the full story, you know, the facts of the matter?:sunny:

[Slingshot]

what will they really gain though by chasing a bike or cars, too often are we seeing people die from fucktard cops giving chase in small cases like 10km/h over the limit, i suppose it all adds up, that million....
You're an idiot...it's not the "fucktard" cops that are at fault, it's the rider/driver that chooses not to stop.


If I was a cop, I'd do the same. Ramming someone off the road would be a nice break from all the paperwork and bullshit. I just hope the cop was maori because maori cops can get away with murder... well rape anyway.

Stop bitching just because you ride a bike and think this is a brotherhood. He was breaking the law and got what he deserved. Go the pigs! Nail them all!
Amen!!!


However when a cop initiates a pursuit for speeding, thus escalating the situation, rather than getting a number plate and visiting the next day, he becomes no better than the runner, especially if Joe (bystander) Bloggs gets caught up in it.
You're an idiot too, the cop isn't the one that initiates the chase, it's the rider/driver that initiates the chase by choosing not to stop.
If the police had a no pursuit policy, then nobody would stop...you'd take your chances that they didn't catch your number plate and you'd be off.

[scumdog]

Sure, but I said for speeding and why potentially lose a life or injure someone else over a stolen vehical?

The thing is terbang, how does the cop know the driver was 'only' speeding - that the car was not stolen, the guy had not just done a robbery etc????

And that the plates are not stolen off another car etc etc.....

[Daffyd]

i was also going to say i thought they made a v6 supercharged varient but i don't think they do in the v8, which was posted. But its easy to mistake v6 for v8. Ford also do a turbo v6 and, maybe, used to(?) do a super charged v6

Ford don't do a turbo V6, they do a turbo inline 6.

[Motig]

Another urban myth hits the streets ? Another cop beat up ? Havent heard anything apart from the first story so its looking like bullshit.

[terbang]

You're an idiot too, the cop isn't the one that initiates the chase, it's the rider/driver that initiates the chase by choosing not to stop.
If the police had a no pursuit policy, then nobody would stop...you'd take your chances that they didn't catch your number plate and you'd be off.

Whats the guts with the name calling..? It was just an opinion. I am not promoting a no pursuit policy rather stating that cops need, when faced with dangerous people that will do anything to avoid capture, to know when to call it quits before innocent people get hurt.


The thing is terbang, how does the cop know the driver was 'only' speeding - that the car was not stolen, the guy had not just done a robbery etc????

And that the plates are not stolen off another car etc etc.....

Well he doesn't know it and how does he know it was just someone who couldn't afford the fined for speeding. Thats it and I am sure as heck that any of us would be rather pissed off if a close family member was mown down by a dick in a car doing 160 Kliks or more being closely followed by a cop doing similar because the original observance was a lesser speed transgression, but the cop wasn't sure of the guys innocence of another crime.
If a guy is prepared to run then he is very prepared to take serious risks that could and have affected innocent people. Why escalate it to a danger over a stolen vehicle, they are replaceable where dead or maimed people aren't. Its a tough call for cops I know but it is clear that some chases have only ended in tragedy rather than good.

[Jantar]

Another urban myth hits the streets ? Another cop beat up ? Havent heard anything apart from the first story so its looking like bullshit.
It was on TV3 news with photos of the bike and the cop car.

[Patrick]

Sure, but I said for speeding and why potentially lose a life or injure someone else over a stolen vehical?

So what if it is a drop kick driving like an idiot causing mayhem already? Do we just sit back and watch him because "it is not worth it?" What, then, if he then slams into a family of 5 and kills them all, while we are watching, doing nothing...?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't... again....

[The_Dover]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't... again....

damned pigs......

[emaN]

INMHO, this thread highlights the "us" and "them" rather nicely... (no, the po-Lice aren't the "thems", they're the "others").

The "us" are those who've been making Brrm Brrm noises from infancy and have biking in their blood...
I'm picking the "thems" are more likely recent converts to biking, who do it to be seen all leathered up on nice shiny bikes.

The two seem to often have conflicting views. One of them often ends up spouting pc poo.

IMHO

[scumdog]

INMHO, this thread highlights the "us" and "them" rather nicely... (no, the po-Lice aren't the "thems", they're the "others").

The "us" are those who've been making Brrm Brrm noises from infancy and have biking in their blood...
I'm picking the "thems" are more likely recent converts to biking, who do it to be seen all leathered up on nice shiny bikes.

The two seem to often have conflicting views. One of them often ends up spouting pc poo.

IMHO

And the others spout off they are a better than average and safe rider who should be allowed to speed and will never crash.....:whistle:

[Calo]

Saw a particular nasty incident on COPS the other night. Cops stopped some guy on a cruiser (I think it was a Harley) and he pulled over at first but then decided to do a runner. He flew through an intersection (red light) and clipped an SUV pulling out of a 7-11 on the other side. When the cops checked him, he had no pulse but the paramedics managed to revive him shortly afterwards. He was wearing one of those useless German-style helmets which ended up almost split in two. A rather sobering reminder of the risks involved in doing a runner, I thought.

Oh, and the reason he ran was because he had a couple of outstanding minor traffic fines. :weird:

[scumdog]

Oh, chase down here last night, CBR1000 doing 146kmh, slowed down a bit then off into the distance but cop got the number on the plate first and gave chase too:chase: .
Cop that was chasing the bike decided to pull out of the chase due to traffic etc and bike vanished into the distance....

Owner of the bike was contacted, seems bike could have been stolen.

Never mind, nobody hurt, thief got away with a new toy and everybody is happy.

[Highlander]

It was on TV3 news with photos of the bike and the cop car.

I concur. Saw the tail end of the item on the news, can't find any other reference to it though (from searching the interweb).

[terbang]

So what if it is a drop kick driving like an idiot causing mayhem already?

Then they need to be stopped using reasonable force that isn't going to take out anybody else. The yanks may use the term 'collateral damage' but I'd like to think that we, NZers, value others safety more than that. As I have said all along, don't make things worse when you start chasing people. I'm not telling cops how to make the call, just pointing our that there have been fuckups in the past where innocents get caught up in it.
I sort of understand the cops dilemma as I too have been in law enforcement in the past where I hunted bad guys at sea (including pirates and drug runners) using an aerpolane. I fully understand the 'chase' from the chasers side of things and would spend weeks finding these guys. The greatest challenge to my discipline, especially when the 50 cals joined the fray, was the safety of my aircraft and crew and the naval personnel involved with the bust and there were times when we had to just give it away. Frustrating watching some dangerous shit head sail over the horizon with a few mill of heroin on board, but a reality that we had to deal with. Safety first..!


INMHO, this thread highlights the "us" and "them" rather nicely... (no, the po-Lice aren't the "thems", they're the "others").

The "us" are those who've been making Brrm Brrm noises from infancy and have biking in their blood...
I'm picking the "thems" are more likely recent converts to biking, who do it to be seen all leathered up on nice shiny bikes.

The two seem to often have conflicting views. One of them often ends up spouting pc poo.
IMHO

Not true, it's merely a discussion or a debate. So why don't you join in, rather than trying to categorise and redicule those that are having some input. Even though you may not agree with them. But then I'm picking you must be such an old biker convert that you are way above kicking around in the dust over an issue like this. You might get yer shiny leathers dirtied though.


Owner of the bike was contacted, seems bike could have been stolen.
Never mind, nobody hurt, thief got away with a new toy and everybody is happy.

A well handled chase then that the insurance company loses out on too. Sure it would be nice to catch a bike thief but you win some and you lose some and in this case it clearly remained sensible and things didn't get any worse.
Remember the chase still didn't stop the bike from being stolen in the first place, that had allready happened, it only had the possibility of retrieving it and stopping it hapening again. But because of some sensible policing, it was not to be.
Its an impossible arguement as people will speed, steal vehicles and there are times when the police have to use some sort of reasonable force to do their job. We pay them handsomely for the risk that their jobs inevitably can bring upon them. But lets not become a society that can make movies and reality TV out of police chases getting out of control.
I'll once again stand by my arguement, Im not saying 'don't chase' rather, keep it sensible, have the discipline to know when to say when, for the safety of other road users.

[emaN]

I'm surprised by your tone, however...

Not true, it's merely a discussion or a debate. So why don't you join in, rather than trying to categorise and redicule those that are having some input...
Wasn't my intention, don't believe i did. It's an observation made from spending a year & a half on KB and things I've picked up on since being back from the UK. Seems to me that "newer" riders tend to have more pc approaches/attitudes than "hard core" riders, for want of a better word.

...that you are way above kicking around in the dust over an issue like this. ...
Believe me i'm not, which is why i checked & read the thread. I have my own dealings with the po-Lice happening as we speak.

...You might get yer shiny leathers dirtied though....
Hey, I'm italian... we gotta look good, first and foremost!

For the thread's sake, regarding how to handle runners/runnerers; rozzer relays vehicle details to comms, who check for any 'mitigating factors'. If it ain't reported stolen, let the driver go. Next day go on a "client visit" in a flash mufti.

(Sure, there may be times where the vehicle hasn't been reported stolen yet - i believe TPFT could come in handy... oh no, did i just say that?!)

If it is stolen, pursue. Call off pursuit when public is in danger. Get 'em another day.

[Skunk]

We pay them handsomely for the risk that their jobs inevitably can bring upon them.
I don't think we pay them enough for the shit they have to put up with sometimes.

[Patrick]

Then they need to be stopped using reasonable force that isn't going to take out anybody else.

We used to be able to... the moving block, where you could force a car off the road, (after training and certification of course...) worked damned well.

Bosses didn't like the repair bills, so it doesn't exist any more. Comes down to $$$... again....

[Titanium]

Try running in Victoria on your bike ...... the cops would probably just shoot you at the first opportunity if you did not stop......

Now that would really fuck up yor day!

The Victorian police like nothing more than a good old shoot out!

[Motig]

:shutup: not allowed to watch TV 3 news in this house, hard to change the bosses habits. Mind you hasn't TV 3 been getting a bit of stick lately over its "creative" news reporting ? Would have thought something that serious would have been headlines in all the media.

[Patrick]

:shutup: not allowed to watch TV 3 news in this house, hard to change the bosses habits. Mind you hasn't TV 3 been getting a bit of stick lately over its "creative" news reporting ? Would have thought something that serious would have been headlines in all the media.

Yet it wasn't.... wonder why?