I am a Celt !!!!

[Mr Merde]

I am expressing my culture for all and sundry.

I am not a European, a pakeha, a pom, or any other such descriptive label.

I am a Celt.

My family line can be traced back to the middle of the 7th century, in fact it has been done so by a member of the family.

I descend from a long line of Celtic peoples.

6000 years ago the Celts were a ferocious and feared race that originated somewhere in eastern Europe and moved westward. They were a skillful people, they were a violent people and they were a loyal people.

The Celts took heads, tattoo'd themselves and adorned their bodies with works of art. They fought hard and died just as hard. They had art and music, they had stories, histories and heros. They had their own beliefs and religon.

They were a proud race.

In these days of potitical correctness I have been lumbered with many labels which I find offensive to my ancestors. Therefore I have decided to make a stand and declare my heritage and be proud of it.

So shouting this from the rooftops, metaphorically speaking, I declare that I am

CELTIC and PROUD of IT.


You dont have to reply to this or even read it. I am ranting and raving.

[Brian d marge]

I am expressing my culture for all and sundry.

I am not a European, a pakeha, a pom, or any other such descriptive label.

I am a Celt.

My family line can be traced back to the middle of the 7th century, in fact it has been done so by a member of the family.

I descend from a long line of Celtic peoples.

6000 years ago the Celts were a ferocious and feared race that originated somewhere in eastern Europe and moved westward. They were a skillful people, they were a violent people and they were a loyal people.

The Celts took heads, tattoo'd themselves and adorned their bodies with works of art. They fought hard and died just as hard. They had art and music, they had stories, histories and heros. They had their own beliefs and religon.

They were a proud race.

In these days of potitical correctness I have been lumbered with many labels which I find offensive to my ancestors. Therefore I have decided to make a stand and declare my heritage and be proud of it.

So shouting this from the rooftops, metaphorically speaking, I declare that I am

CELTIC and PROUD of IT.


You dont have to reply to this or even read it. I am ranting and raving.

Having the family names of Barry and Watson,,and being from a long line of East enders ,,( the Bells they made me deaf you know )

Have another we look at History of England ,,, The best way to describe the English ( wasnt even called England till much later) ,,is a loose group of Nomadic families ,, yup they wandered ,, alot so much so they only have a generic Idea about the celts


Stephen

Ps ,,,good on you in taking a stand

[James Deuce]

Hah! So am I. But my history is a bit different.

Originally Huns, the Wolz tribe joined the Celtic flight across Europe, arriving in the Basque region during the reign of the Moors. When it became obvious that the Spaniards weren't going to tolerate the Celts in their midst, the Walac family fled to Ireland in the 15th Century, landing in County Wicklow. The name became Walsh, and we ended up here during the last great Celtic diaspora.

[avgas]

Im a 4th generation motorcyclist.......the rest is all viking stuff and castles right now ;)

[Blackadda]

McLeod of the clan McLeod

McLeod's are descendants of King Olave the Black, a 12th century Viking warrior who went on a raping and piliging spreee across northern europe ending in what is now Scotland. His son Leod bore the first McLeod, hence the Mc in McLeod means son of Leod. Any scottish Mc or Mac are son's of (ie. McDonald are sons of Donald).

I descend from the highland McLeod's, the nasty one's who smoked the McDonald's to death in a cave way back when.

I too are CELT. Although born in kiwiville, I descend form a once proud and stoic clan from the highland's.

Long live the CELT's.

och ey ya big jessie!

[KoroJ]

Merde....Merde & d'Marge look like theyre spelt with French Letters??

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm related to this Fellow.


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Sir John Godsalve.

He was on Henry VIII's court I believe

-Indy

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

So is that Irish or Scottish??? I'm pig ignorant I admit it. Please educate me on this score! (thought I had better be explicit lol)

[terbang]

I'm from north of Hadrians wall. Descendant of Robert the Bruce..

[MSTRS]

I'm related to this Fellow.



I can see the resemblance - it's the naff haircut, I reckon.:dodge:

[MSTRS]

So is that Irish or Scottish??? I'm pig ignorant I admit it. Please educate me on this score! (thought I had better be explicit lol)

Scots added 'mac' to denote 'son of...'
Irish added 'o'
Danes/Vikings added '-sonn' or '-senn'

[Indiana_Jones]

I can see the resemblance - it's the naff haircut, I reckon.:dodge:

Don't get jealous now lol

-Indy

[ManDownUnder]

Don't get jealous now lol

It's safe to say I'm as envious as he is...

And I'm Manx

[Squeak the Rat]

Haha, I knew it - you're all a bunch 'a fookin' celts! :rofl:

[Eddieb]

The village of Brodie in Nairn (Scotland, near Inverness) dates back to at least the the 14th century.

Most famous ancestor was Deacon Brodie, Town Councillor of Edinburgh and the inspiration for R L Stevensons well known novel Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde.

A town councillor and local business man by day he designed and built a gallows to be submitted for a city tender for several such devices.

Although respected by day Deacon Brodie engaged in common burglary at night, until one night he was caught in the act.

Tried and found guilty by the city courts he was sentenced to death and was hung on his own gallows.

[Macktheknife]

It seems we are legion then.....
I too can trace my ancestry back nearly a thousand years thru England, Scotland and Ireland, and on into (sadly) France.
My family have traced back as far as a minor noble in the invading army of William the Conqueror.
I am proud of my heritage and of being a norman/celt.
And I get really upset when some inbred savage tries to tell me that because I am a 'pakeha' I have no history. (actually happened) so I educated him vigourously.
Bring on the revolution!

[Motu]

From County Cork.....our name comes from the Normans,and there is enough Moor blood to give us a rouge Black Irish in every generation.On my mother's side her Irish father was a ''Mc'',but he married a non Catholic Mc from Scotland,causing much shame.

There was a tendancy to change religion to suit the times,but they were still always Catholic.In one such change our family name was found on Charles I's death warrant - his body was dug up and the bones scattered to the four points of the compass.Out of favour ever since.

[Damon]

The Shaw clan is derived from Shaw MacDuff, who was a younger son of the Thane of Fife. Shaw was made keeper of the royal castle of Inverness and his heirs became known as the 'Mhic an Toiseach' or the 'sons of the Thane'

The clan Shaw went on to become one of the principal septs of Clan Chattan. The second, and best known, chief of the clan was Shaw Macghillechrist Mhic Iain, who was commonly known as 'Sgorghiaclach', which translates as 'bucktooth'. He led the clan Chattan under the notorious Wolf of Badenoch, most notably on the legendary raid on Angus in 1391.

The Clan Chattan took part in a long standing feud with the neighbouring Cameron clan, which threatened the stability of the whole neighbourhood. It was decided to resolve this dispute with a trial by combat of champions. Shaw Bucktooth led the clan Chattan and over sixty Highlanders fought at Perth before an illustrious audience, which included the Dauphin of France.

Today the clan Shaw is recognised as a line of unbroken continuity to the ancient earls of Fife.

[avgas]

(sadly) France.
Bring on the revolution!
Ah yes, the french side of the tree. dont ya just hate that one of ya forfathers hooked up with some little french hottie :)
Geeze you guys have all flash celtic heritage like, apart from me french (10%) and german (40%) sides, rest of me tis only enslaved working class (50%).
But apparently before enslavement we were a bunch of angry MFr's.

[Babelfish]

I'm english...we hung your lot

[Mr Merde]

.......
My family have traced back as far as a minor noble in the invading army of William the Conqueror.
......

William the Conqueror, grandson of a "viking". Your family goes north of France if you go back another 100 years or so.

History is just a matter of looking. Records do exist and luckily those of persons comming from the conglomeration now know as Europe have records that go back thousands of years.

My surname is old celtic and means "Top of the Hill".
Young sister has traced the bloodline and it goes back to the ancient "kings" of Ireland, in the so called "dark ages". (doesnt everyones bloodline go back to someone powerful or famous.).

My ancestors were working metals, creating poetry, carving wood and stone, working precious metals and jewels, playing music, reading, writing, voting (Irish kings were elected), going to war, creating universities and exploring the world well over 700 years (that I know of) before these islands were discovered by the first settlers.

I wonder what would happen if when filling in any more official forms I tick the "other" box and then insert CELTIC.

[Mr Merde]

I'm english...we hung your lot

English.

A word deriving from the Engles, a people from the northern part of what is now known as Germany, as were the Saxons.

Be proud mate you have a touch of all the races in you. Roman, French, Viking, Engles, Saxon, etc.. etc...

England seems to be the place where most of Europe headed towards. There are even traces of the ancient Greeks in places like Cornwall where tin was mined.

[Lissa]

Ohhhh I'm in good company.

I can trace my family tree back to the year 942. An viking ancestor made his way over to England to become a companion (whatever that means, hopefully something non dodgy) to King Edgar "The Peaceable".

My ancestors were mostly canons, Knights of the Knightenguild, members of the Hospitallers.... or knights of the hospital of St John of Jersusalem (St Johns), one was an Admiral of a ship in the Battle of Trafalgar with Lord Nelson.. (has a book written about him).

I love my family tree.. and want to spend some time researching it a bit more.

[skelstar]

Orkney Islands on one side and Ireland via Scotland on the other I think. Fraser clan apparently.

[James Deuce]

(doesnt everyones bloodline go back to someone powerful or famous.).



Mine doesn't. Long may it stay that way. The lesser you are in social stature, the less likely your are to be chopped off at the knees. I rather suspect that most people are "ordinary" but that doesn't sit well with the desire to be "better" than you are.

You're only as good as you let yourself be.

[Jimmy B]

McLeod of the clan McLeod

McLeod's are descendants of King Olave the Black, a 12th century Viking warrior who went on a raping and piliging spreee across northern europe ending in what is now Scotland. His son Leod bore the first McLeod, hence the Mc in McLeod means son of Leod. Any scottish Mc or Mac are son's of (ie. McDonald are sons of Donald).

I descend from the highland McLeod's, the nasty one's who smoked the McDonald's to death in a cave way back when.

I too are CELT. Although born in kiwiville, I descend form a once proud and stoic clan from the highland's.

Long live the CELT's.

och ey ya big jessie!

Me too Blackadda, from Skye in fact. Apparently we used to make a fair living by way of piracey, inflicted on coastal trader vessels, sort of like a toll for using the waterway if you will. Family came here in 1860, because they were starvin, struck gold and spent a few years spending it

[Macktheknife]

William the Conqueror, grandson of a "viking". Your family goes north of France if you go back another 100 years or so.

Actually I think it is a bit further back than that but information is getting thin on the ground at this stage.






My ancestors were working metals, creating poetry, carving wood and stone, working precious metals and jewels, playing music, reading, writing, voting (Irish kings were elected), going to war, creating universities and exploring the world well over 700 years (that I know of) before these islands were discovered by the first settlers.
CELTIC.

Actually you might be interested to know that there is some evidence to suggest that there were 'Celt-like' people here in NZ in the 1st and 2nd century, about a thousand years before the Maori arrived. The Waitaha have stories of their arrival in about 250AD, and they refer to a short people with red/brown hair and paler skin whom they called the 'stoneworkers' or 'stonepeople'. There are many examples of stone dwellings around NZ that show these people did exist, there is also evidence to suggest that the 'Pa' or fortified hill design was already existing here and the Maori used it to their advantage.
Bloody interesting stuff history.

[Babelfish]

English.

A word deriving from the Engles, a people from the northern part of what is now known as Germany, as were the Saxons.

Be proud mate you have a touch of all the races in you. Roman, French, Viking, Engles, Saxon, etc.. etc...

England seems to be the place where most of Europe headed towards. There are even traces of the ancient Greeks in places like Cornwall where tin was mined.

Not quite the response I expected...damn, I guess I'll be serious then. My lineage contains allsorts - more recently scottish and welsh but further back scandinavian and saxon. The whole of Europe was one big orgy and melting pot of interatial shagging though...I dare say a few boys on crusade wouldnt have said no while on tour and likewise the Romans weren't shy in having an entourage of different breeds.

I'm proud of all of my history, but understanding the region, I am not more proud of one part than the other...otherwise I'd be too much like some of the minority wasters that we have to deal with in NZ

[Lias]

I'm a proud son of Clan Gall, a sept of Clan MacDonald. The general consensus is that Gall's are descended from a group of Gael picts who allied with the vikings.


After the evacuation of Britain by the Romans, the country north of the Firth of Forth was occupied by a Pictish people designated the Alban Gael, whom historians agree were of the same race as the Cruithne of Ireland, and whose language was a type of a modern Scottish Gaelic. This people probably came first to Scotland between 500 B.C. and 300 B.C. To the south, the Scots of Dalriada occupied part of Argyll, and the country of Mull, Islay and the Southern Isles. The Alban Gaels or Picts, north of the Forth, were divided into the Northern Picts, who held the country north of the Grampians, and the Southern Picts. When, in 844, the Dalriads, Scots and Southern Picts were united in one kingdom by Kenneth MacAlpin, the Northern Picts remained unaffected by the union. Included in the territory occupied by these Picts, or Alban Gael, were the Western Islands, know to the Gael as Innse-Gall, or the Island of the Strangers, which later formed part of the dominion of the Kings of the Isles, progenitors of the Clan Donald. In these early days the Islands were constantly ravaged by the Norsemen and the Danes, who kept the whole western seaboard in a state of perpetual turmoil.

When Harold, the Fair Haired, in the year 875, constituted himself King of the whole of Norway, many of the small independent jarls, or princes, of that country refused to acknowledge his authority, and came to the innse-Gall, or Western Isles. Harold pursued them, and conquered Man, the Hebrides, Shetlands, and Orkneys. The year following this conquest, the Isles rose in rebellion against Harold, who sent his cousin Ketil to restore order; but Ketil exceeded his instructions, and declared himself King of the Isles, being followed by a succession of Kings, until the Isles were finally added to Scotland. Allied with these Norse sea rovers was a Pictish people, called the Gall Gael, and Dr. Skene, the historian, claims that from the Gall Gael sprung the ancestors of the Clan Donald. The name Gall has always been applied by the Gael to strangers, and Skene maintains that the Western Gaels came, by association, to resemble their Norwegian allies in characteristics and mode of life, and thus acquired the descriptive name of Gall.

This quote sums it all up really doesnt it though?



For that is the mark of the Scots of all classes:
that he stands in an attitude towards the past
unthinkable to Englishmen, and remembers and
cherishes the memory of his forebears, good or
bad; and there burns alive in him a sense of identity
with the dead even to the twentieth generation.

[Mr Merde]

......

Bloody interesting stuff history.

Absolutely fascinating stuff.

The age old questions, where, who, why and how.

The answers are all there its just the finding of them that gets difficult.

I recently sat down with some Aunts and they had information about my ancestors that came to NZ. Their grandparents. It was a real eyeopener. I even had a great great great uncle who fought in the Russian Army in the 19th Cenbtury. Seeing photos of these people really brought all the family stories to life.

[Smorg]

I had to double check the thread title. Thought you said I am a CAT!!

[Mr Merde]

I had to double check the thread title. Thought you said I am a CAT!!

No not a CAT, maybe a bit of a pussey though.

[vifferman]

Scottish name, pommie mother, ancestors of all kinds (Scots, Ingrish, Oirish, French, Spanish omelette...)
Dunno where it allfits in/works, but I think I got all the bad genes piled up in me. Sort of a genetic tidal pool or summat.

At least the kids have less complicated ancestry (iffen they ignore my side). It's all Dutch on the other half.
Weirdos...

[Damon]

Actually you might be interested to know that there is some evidence to suggest that there were 'Celt-like' people here in NZ in the 1st and 2nd century, about a thousand years before the Maori arrived. The Waitaha have stories of their arrival in about 250AD, and they refer to a short people with red/brown hair and paler skin whom they called the 'stoneworkers' or 'stonepeople'. There are many examples of stone dwellings around NZ that show these people did exist, there is also evidence to suggest that the 'Pa' or fortified hill design was already existing here and the Maori used it to their advantage.
Bloody interesting stuff history.

So what your saying here is the foreshore and seabed may actually belong to me? :shutup:

[vifferman]

I recently sat down with some Aunts and they had information about my ancestors that came to NZ. Their grandparents. It was a real eyeopener. I even had a great great great uncle who fought in the Russian Army in the 19th Cenbtury. Seeing photos of these people really brought all the family stories to life.
I dunno 'bout that side, but I'd like to know. Mein papa died many moons ago, so that source of info has been cut off.

The other side is interesting. Grandfather was an artist, who specialised in department store window displays (painted backdrops and stuff) and copies of the works of the Masters. Some of the family made those stupid gowns and mortarboards for Oxford University, owned hotels, had shiploads of money that a crazy great aunt frittered away by spending several centuries in an Owlde Folx Home at 5000 pooonds/month. One of the Ancestral Types invented a machine for manufacturing steel dressmaking pins with heads on, but the pillock never thought to patent it. D'Oh!!

Another ancestor (this is where the French/Spanish omelette comes in) travelled across the English channel in a small boat during the Hugenots thing, but whether to escape persecution or punishment for criminal activity, no-one knows.

Yet other ancestral progenitors lived in Kilkenny in Oirlund. Maybe they invented the beer. I dunno.

Closer to the bone, my mother worked in the lab at Oxford University where Sir Howard Florey also worked, playing with mouldy things and singing songs whose lyrics were the latin names of moulds. As you do.
She didn't get a knighthood for that; she got the booby prize, and instead of marrying the dentist I'm named after, my father whisked her back to UnZud as a trophy bride to live in the newly-created metropolis of Murupara, which was exactly like Oxford except totally different, lacking things like culture, shops, paved roads, proper houses ...

I was originally Chinese when born, apparently, and only later on evolved, firstly into an Orstrylyan: we lived in Canberra for a while, so my father could attend the Martian Embassy there and earn another degree to add to his collection (just to spite the high school teacher who told him he'd never pass school cert, and if by some fluke he did, to give up as he'd never get any further). Also, it gave my youngest sister a chance to be born as an Ozzie, thus not having to be Chinese first like me.
Later on, I evolved into a NooZilunder, before devolving to become the mutated mess I am now.

[Blackadda]

(doesnt everyones bloodline go back to someone powerful or famous.).

We all go back to a bunch of incestuous apes don't we? Does that mean we are all brothers ..... ach aye!


I wonder what would happen if when filling in any more official forms I tick the "other" box and then insert CELTIC.

I say all CELT's unite and we all tick other! Maybe a referendum to get all forms to include CELT as an option!

[Mr Merde]

Last night I started this thread in an attempt to vent my frustration. Hence it being placed in Rant and Rave.

Just reading all the replies just goes to show how great history is.

My family history goes back 1400 years that we know of.

It boggles me to think of all those lives, all those stories that I dont really know and would love to.

I'm inordinately proud of who I am, of what I am and of where I came from.

I am very very tired of being put down for the very things I am proud of.

I am I.

I am the current result of a long line of ancestors who have experienced their lives in ways that I cannot really fathom.

I am proud of their achievements (me), I am proud that we have lasted so long.

All of you have your pride as well. We all come from somewhere. We all have our own histories.

You dont know how much it has cheered me up just reading these posts.

Enough now or I may get a good name on this board and that cant happen.

MERDE.

[vifferman]

My family history goes back 1400 years that we know of.
Mine goes back at least 40 years that I know of.



I'm inordinately proud of who I am, of what I am and of where I came from.
I'm not.

[Beemer]

My father's grandmother was a Macdonald from the Isle of Skye, apparently related to Flora Macdonald who helped Bonnie Prince Charlie escape from the British forces in 1746. We don't have the full history on the maternal side of the family, but we do on the paternal side.

A distant relative wrote a book on the family and traced it back to the fifth century BC. According to legend (will hunt out the book when I have time) one of our ancestors married someone from King Arthur's court. It's quite fascinating but I'm glad they changed the spelling of our surname over the years, I think it was something like Llwchyr in the beginning! The old family home (Treguff Place) in South Glamorgan, Wales, is still there, and only went out of the family in about 1990. Amazing place, incredible to think how many generations of the family lived there.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I am a Celt too. I just received my family history on my father's side goes back to 1800 - I'm the 6th generation and there won't be a 7th from me (unfortunately).

[Macktheknife]

Enough now or I may get a good name on this board and that cant happen.

MERDE.

Nope I reckon you're pretty safe! lol
I know what you mean about being bagged for it though, I get pissed off with ignorant wankers who have no real idea of their own history, who then try to rewrite it for the sake of PC bullshit or advantage, and then try to tell me that I have no right to be proud of my history and lineage.

Great thread anyway, nice to see how many people are keen to learn and understand their background.
Keep it going

[Motu]

Lots of skeletons in cupboards....but let's leave them there for now - but an interesting thing happen on both sides of my family in NZ.When my uncle (fathers brother) wanted to travel in the '60's he had some trouble with his passport,namely his grandfather.Then his grandmother let on that he was a Portuguese who had jumped ship,then reversed his name.

My mothers family can trace it's NZ history back to the very first settlers,and in the '80's the family produced a thick book of the geneology (well before such things became popular) In it I found people I knew who were really related to me...and while living on Waiheke Island found a branch of the family there....they were also decended from a Portuguese who jumped ship.Maybe they even knew each other?

[riffer]

I'm a celt on my mothers side; she's from Edinburgh.

On my father's side we go back to Riga, Latvia, where my father's grandfather, Wolfe Gottlieb dragged his family across Europe to escape Stalin's purges and sought passage from London to New Zealand.

He couldn't read or write, being somewhat of a humble peasant type, and the immigration official incorrectly spelled his name. This is the reason why all the decendents of Wolfe in this country have the last name Gotlieb, exclusive to New Zealand.

[SPman]

I'm a 5th generation kiwi mongrel, predominantly of North British stock and, before then - probably a Scandinavian....Viking...Dane type I think - the pale skin, blue eyes, sunburn-ability and tendency to go beserker in times of strife are probably a giveaway......

[Mr Merde]

I'm a 5th generation kiwi mongrel, predominantly of North British stock and, before then - probably a Scandinavian....Viking...Dane type I think - the pale skin, blue eyes, sunburn-ability and tendency to go beserker in times of strife are probably a giveaway......

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So which adjective seems to be aplicable to you.

They did a dna check over the whole of the Briish Isles and Ireland, a few years ago. They compared it with DNA taken from scandanavia (Denmark I think).

The result was that they only found one little piece of Ireland that didnt have any "viking" DNA present in their genetic makeup. That little part was smack in the middle of Ireland in a valley.

[Lias]

Now here's one for ya.

If you walk down the road wearing a "Maori pride", "Samoan Pride", "Asian Pride", "Black Pride" or whatever shirt most people wouldnt blink twice. Yet I bet anyone wearing a "Celtic Pride" or god forbid a "White Pride" shirt would be at best abused and labeled a racist and at worst have the shit kicked out of them.

Hell it wouldnt surprise me if this very post is labeled racist for daring to point out a good old fashioned bit of anti-euoprean racism (I can hear the screams from the lefites that only whites can be racist now) :innocent:

[MisterD]

Yet I bet anyone wearing a "Celtic Pride" or god forbid a "White Pride" shirt would be at best abused and labeled a racist and at worst have the shit kicked out of them.


I'm not sure about that Lias, wait until Saturday and see how the whole world seems to want to be Irish...

Me, I'm mostly Yorkshire with a bit of bog Irish thrown in for good measure.

[mstriumph]

I am a Celt
- like every other living person my ancestory goes back not 40 nor 1400 years but to the dawn of time :yes:

all this chatter about clans and surnames is also a bit misleading

.................early Celtish ancestory, sucession and inheritance was through the FEMALE line

this system was common with less 'sophisticated' cultures for reasons which are pretty obvious if you think of it [and might save a whole lot of time, anguish and dna testing if we'd never abandoned it :innocent: ]

[Dave Lobster]

Me, I'm mostly Yorkshire with a bit of bog Irish thrown in for good measure.

Does that mean you never buy your own Guiness then?? :yes:

[MSTRS]

My family history goes back 1400 years that we know of.


Family lines may die out, but if you are here now, then your lineage goes back to the first biped protohuman and beyond. Trace that if you can!:innocent:

[Squeak the Rat]

We are all related to adam and eve. Adam shagged eve and had a baby girl. He then shagged eve again and had a baby boy. It's unclear who shagged who again in that little episode in history, but the law says it's illegal these days. Go figure.

I've a list of clans, both scot, irish and danish.

[Mr Merde]

Family lines may die out, but if you are here now, then your lineage goes back to the first biped protohuman and beyond. Trace that if you can!:innocent:


Mmmmm. Can I have a week or two then?:dodge:

[Babelfish]

.................early Celtish ancestory, sucession and inheritance was through the FEMALE line
]

Great, I new all this talk about celtic ancestry would bring out the feminists :dodge:

[Wolf]

I get pissed off with ignorant wankers who have no real idea of their own history, who then try to rewrite it for the sake of PC bullshit or advantage,
Ditto. There's so much fluffy bunny shit going on the world over, when in fact no race was "perfect" - not the Africans who turned the lush and rich area of Ethiopia into one of the most impoverished nations, the Native Americans who slaughtered untold buffalo etc.

My ancestors were head hunters and may or may not have practised human sacrifice at some time - they were certainly very warlike and, considering my mixed Celtic ancestry, different sets of my ancestors were probably at war with one another at some stage over land, cattle or both.

A real mutt, me - Cornish, Irish Welsh and Scot on my mother's side; Scot, Saxon and gods-know-what-else on dad's side. Also born and bred New Zealander as were both parents, all four grandparents and most of my great- and great-great grand parents.

Glad I live in NZ and to identify as a New Zealander and also proud of my Celtic ancestry and history - "Celtic Reconstructionist" Pagan as well.

[Wolf]

all this chatter about clans and surnames is also a bit misleading

.................early Celtish ancestory, sucession and inheritance was through the FEMALE line
Quite correct. Also, ulike the lesser races (Romans and Greeks) the Celtic women could hold titles, land and personal fortunes even after they were married - the whole McGuffin behind the "Cattle Raid of Cooley" (anglicised spelling deliberately used for clarity of pronunciation) was the king and queen arguing over who was the richest of the two - an argument you'd never hear in a Roman household because the wife was just another possession and, as such, couldn't possibly own anything...

[MisterD]

Does that mean you never buy your own Guiness then?? :yes:

No, it just means I won't buy any for you...

[Mr Merde]

Quite correct. Also, ulike the lesser races (Romans and Greeks) the Celtic women could hold titles, land and personal fortunes even after they were married - the whole McGuffin behind the "Cattle Raid of Cooley" (anglicised spelling deliberately used for clarity of pronunciation) was the king and queen arguing over who was the richest of the two - an argument you'd never hear in a Roman household because the wife was just another possession and, as such, couldn't possibly own anything...

The Celtic rulers were an elected body also. No hereditry rulers.

If they did a bad job they just werent reelected or they were deposed.

Heads were taken as trophies and nailed to the lintels of their homes.

Ritual executions by strangulation.

All the good stuff.

Tall and if not blonde then dyed hair.

Colourful clothing, trousers.

[Babelfish]

Quite correct. Also, ulike the lesser races (Romans and Greeks) the Celtic women could hold titles, land and personal fortunes even after they were married - the whole McGuffin behind the "Cattle Raid of Cooley" (anglicised spelling deliberately used for clarity of pronunciation) was the king and queen arguing over who was the richest of the two - an argument you'd never hear in a Roman household because the wife was just another possession and, as such, couldn't possibly own anything...

I'm all for reducing arguments in the household

[u4ea]

Me too Blackadda, from Skye in fact. Apparently we used to make a fair living by way of piracey, inflicted on coastal trader vessels, sort of like a toll for using the waterway if you will. Family came here in 1860, because they were starvin, struck gold and spent a few years spending it

Under the treaty waitangi if you can prove you were here before it was signed you have right to claim!(think its under the sea and foreshore act)I am having a bit of trouble tracing the Danish vessels my ancestors arrived on..there is a few(buried) in Danniverk and Im looking for my piece of validation.Most maori back off bigtime when I tell them Im looking to claim as they know we have every right!!!should cost the government a pretty penny once the saxon,nordic,celt claims start flooding in !!!!!:Punk:

[yungatart]

I'm a pure bred kiwi mongrel - a real mix of Swiss, Italian, English, Irish, Welsh, Scots, French and a hint of Maori - hXc is all that with a bit of Negro to add to the mix.... I guess that just means that I am a New Zealander, plain and simple ..... pretty much describes me really

[Jimmy B]

Under the treaty waitangi if you can prove you were here before it was signed you have right to claim!(think its under the sea and foreshore act)I am having a bit of trouble tracing the Danish vessels my ancestors arrived on..there is a few(buried) in Danniverk and Im looking for my piece of validation.Most maori back off bigtime when I tell them Im looking to claim as they know we have every right!!!should cost the government a pretty penny once the saxon,nordic,celt claims start flooding in !!!!!:Punk:

That’s flippin interesting u4ea, I am not too sure what that would mean for me but thanks for mentioning it. I do rather fancy having my own private beach, somewhere nice and not too ostentatious, maybe St Heliers or similar

I used to live in Dannevirke, for 18 months or so, really quite enjoyed the lifestyle down that way :Punk:

[MSTRS]

Under the treaty waitangi if you can prove you were here before it was signed you have right to claim!.... claims start flooding in !!!!!:Punk:

And we want the Chathams back
Signed
Descendants of Tommy Sullivan

[James Deuce]

.................early Celtish ancestory, sucession and inheritance was through the FEMALE line



Mitochondrial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA) DNA backs up matrilineal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineal) inheritance over patrilineal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrilineal) any day. Plenty of cultures still trace family trees through the Mother too.

[Mr Merde]

And we want the Chathams back
Signed
Descendants of Tommy Sullivan

MSTRS

You got me here. I have no idea of what youare saying. Please explain it to me.

PM if you feel it needs it

[avgas]

BerserkerMy love is like a truck!Berserker Do you want to.....

[MSTRS]

MSTRS

You got me here. I have no idea of what youare saying. Please explain it to me.

PM if you feel it needs it

Everyone forgets about the Mori-Ori....

[James Deuce]

Everyone forgets about the Mori-Ori....

What those people that lived in the Chathams that the Brits helped Taranaki Maori enslave/eradicate?

[Guitana]

Well I'm a mixture of Irish and Scottish so when I go out for drinks with mates I'm always dodging my round and starting fights with strangers!!!

See you Jimmy!!!!!!! Are you talking to me or chewin on a brick cos either way ya gonna get yer teeth broke!!!!!!!

Aye Mon it's a HOOT!!!!!

[Ixion]

I descend from the highland McLeod's, the nasty one's who smoked the McDonald's to death in a cave way back when.



This means war! One of my collateral ancestors was involved in that. We haven't forgotten. Or forgiven. We've a bone or two to pick with those interloping Scandanavians also. They should bugger off back where they came from.

Scotts of the Dales, and earlier , Britons of Bernicia and Rheged. Later Angles of Lancastershire and Chester . And Leonese. Never Spanish. "The Espanas are a geographical convenience , not a nativity "

And Maori. And a few other bits and pieces .

So where does all that fit in on forms? I ain't European. Or Maori. Or Pakeha. I'm a Kiwi. End of story.

[Mr Merde]

Well I'm a mixture of Irish and Scottish ....

As the Scotti's were an Irish clan that moved to the area now known as Scotland, and surplanted the Picts, who were the natives of the area,

this makes you a mixture of the

Irish and the Irish

Definitely an Irish statement.

PTO

[Guitana]

As the Scotti's were an Irish clan that moved to the area now known as Scotland, and surplanted the Picts, who were the natives of the area,

this makes you a mixture of the

Irish and the Irish

Definitely an Irish statement.

PTO

To be sure, To be sure!!!!!

My brother went back to the promised land (oirland)and visted the area where our ancestors came from, it turns out they lived on a motorway go figure!!!!!
Probably why I like riding bikes so much!!!

[MSTRS]

What those people that lived in the Chathams that the Brits helped Taranaki Maori enslave/eradicate?

That's them. And reparations sought shall include that mountain-thingy...

[Mr Merde]

To be sure, To be sure!!!!!

My brother went back to the promised land (oirland)and visted the area where our ancestors came from, it turns out they lived on a motorway go figure!!!!!
Probably why I like riding bikes so much!!!


Dont we have a wonderful heritage?

I dont think my ancestors kissed the Blarney stone. I think the opened wide and took a bloody great bite out of it.

[Guitana]

Dont we have a wonderful heritage?

I dont think my ancestors kissed the Blarney stone. I think the opened wide and took a bloody great bite out of it.

For fucks sake don't kiss the Blarney stone the locals piss on it!!!! Im serious!!:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[Squeak the Rat]

For fucks sake don't kiss the Blarney stone the locals piss on it!!!! Im serious!!:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

Yep they do, but it's all good. It's just recycled Guiness :drinkup: (or Murphys' more likely being in Cork and all).

[James Deuce]

That's them. And reparations sought shall include that mountain-thingy...


I worked with a Solomon once.

Can I have a bit of mountain then too?

[Guitana]

I worked with a Solomon once.

Can I have a bit of mountain then too?

Yeah fuck it lets take back the Chatams for the real owners!!!! I've been there interesting place!! There's certain beaches where sometimes after a good storm the skulls of the slaughtered Moriori rose up out of the sand where they were butchered!!!!
Those Taranaki Maori's were fucken ruthless c**ts Do they have to pay reparations to the remnants of that culture they wiped out????

[MSTRS]

Do they have to pay reparations to the remnants of that culture they wiped out????

Wash your mouth out. That's not what the tribunal is all about. Settlements only go one way, don't you know.

[bistard]

Yeah fuck it lets take back the Chatams for the real owners!!!! I've been there interesting place!! There's certain beaches where sometimes after a good storm the skulls of the slaughtered Moriori rose up out of the sand where they were butchered!!!!
Those Taranaki Maori's were fucken ruthless c**ts Do they have to pay reparations to the remnants of that culture they wiped out????

Now your talking!!can you pass this information onto the Government & the
Maori party & lets see what sort of reaction we get

[idleidolidyll]

Good on yer Mr Shit!

Speak your mind and beat the living crap outta the losers who whine when you do.

I for one will still respect you in the morning even when we disagree as long as you have the brains and the balls to say it loud and clear.

And the Celt thing? New discoveries suggest that the Celts are more a culture than a people. In fact in places like Ireland for instance the original people were not Celts but did take on that culture and live in a Celtish manner. Kinda like Kiwis and Pommies: We sure as hell aint Pommies but we do subscribe to a shit load of their culture.

[idleidolidyll]

And we want the Chathams back
Signed
Descendants of Tommy Sullivan

Sullivan? Hey, maybe I have a claim to the Chathams too!

[idleidolidyll]

I'm english...we hung your lot

I'm Eirish and ulike the wimpy Welsh and sycophant Scots, we never gave up killing the fucken English and claiming our land and sovereignty for ourselves.

When the scum Ian Paisley is finally dead, we will soon have back the rest of that fair land too.

[idleidolidyll]

Quite correct. Also, ulike the lesser races (Romans and Greeks) the Celtic women could hold titles, land and personal fortunes even after they were married -

Tis just a pity thet were so damn ugly what with their hairy breasts, shaggy armpits and moustaches.
That's actually what all the rape and pillage was about ya know: Celtish men trying to improve their womenfolk!

[mstriumph]

Great, I new all this talk about celtic ancestry would bring out the feminists :dodge:

nahhhhhhhhh
over the last umpteen decades they've all been too busy burning various undergarments and flashing their unshaven armpits smacking male policehorses on the goolies with their 'right to choose' placards at 'right to life' rallies to take part in scintilating exchanges like the ones we have here .............................

*sigh* wish i'd had shares in a bra factory in the '70s ..:mellow:

[mstriumph]

Tis just a pity thet were so damn ugly what with their hairy breasts, shaggy armpits and moustaches.
That's actually what all the rape and pillage was about ya know: Celtish men trying to improve their womenfolk!

noooooooo - that's feminists you are thinking of - we've just HAD that discussion ..........

Celtic women have always been gorgeous - like moi :innocent:

[idleidolidyll]

noooooooo - that's feminists you are thinking of - we've just HAD that discussion ..........

Celtic women have always been gorgeous - like moi :innocent:

ummm, read my prior, you're probably just the progeny of a good ol Celtish rape and pillaging, whose family became inculturated.

you can see the original ugliness in some of less watered down celtish wenches in parts of northern Yoorup today

it's no wonder the blokes left the ugly ones behind and sought more comeley wenches to fornicate

[Guitana]

Nowt wrong with a bit of rape and pillage the Vikings swear by it!!!

[Motu]

There's certain beaches where sometimes after a good storm the skulls of the slaughtered Moriori rose up out of the sand where they were butchered!!!!


We had one of those beaches on Waiheke Island too....secret location.

One day I went to a remore location on the Island to see a mate about my leather jacket he had had for a year just to fit a zip....the bastard had disapeared and I would pop around hoping to catch him at home.I later found out he'd been inside for decking the local Cop.

Anyway,this day I had my mother with me and she said ''This is an evil place,something really bad has happened here''....Yeah,well it's a pretty freaky place,but I think it's pretty cool.Then she starts to get really upset,shaking and demanding we leave right now!!![/I][/I] She was really upset with the place....and I admit it made me uneasy too.

Later I found it was the location of a massacre - the local tribe had put on a party for their enemies over at Maretai....and in the middle of festivities had slaughtered them.Choice...I never went back there.Got my jacket back though...

[mstriumph]

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So which adjective seems to be aplicable to you.

mmmmmm definately 3 [above] 'informally unrestrained .....etc' methinks :love:

[Wolf]

Tis just a pity thet were so damn ugly what with their hairy breasts, shaggy armpits and moustaches.
That's actually what all the rape and pillage was about ya know: Celtish men trying to improve their womenfolk!

…a whole band of foreigners will be unable to cope with one [Gaul] in a fight, if he calls in his wife, stronger than he by far and with flashing eyes; least of all when she swells her neck and gnashes her teeth, and poising her huge white arms, begins to rain blows mingled with kicks, like shots discharged by the twisted cords of a catapult.
No improvements were necessary - perfection had already been achieved.

[idleidolidyll]

oooh, i'm so hurt, some whiny tosser has red flagged me for my posts here

newstime: who gives a shit, cause i don't

rotflmfao!

[Guitana]

oooh, i'm so hurt, some whiny tosser has red flagged me for my posts here

newstime: who gives a shit, cause i don't

rotflmfao!

Shameful state of affairs this red repping an act of cowardice sign your reps and prepare for battle or go hide under your mummies skirt and tell tales!!!!!

[idleidolidyll]

Shameful state of affairs this red repping an act of cowardice sign your reps and prepare for battle or go hide under your mummies skirt and tell tales!!!!!

i'm with you on that one mate

a bunch of cowards who hide behind anonymous reds

no celt worth shit would do such a thing

it's one of the forums' most childish inane actions

dear forum owners, please tell me why some pimply youth with practically no riding experience warrants such rights just because they've posted a thousand or so silly messages while still on their learners licence etc

respect is measured by the bikers knowledge and experience of bikes and riding, not by their ability to post crap on the internet

[mstriumph]

oooh, i'm so hurt, some whiny tosser has red flagged me for my posts here

newstime: who gives a shit, cause i don't

rotflmfao!

wasn't moi - even though i WAS very hurt when you called me "just a progeny of a good ol Celtish rape and pillaging" - us Celtic women never raped NOone :innocent:


besides, i liked it when you called me a prodigy .... even if you DID spell it wrong :mellow:

[Steam]

I'm a Celt, I'm growing a giant red beard as I type. My employer is not happy.

Also, would a red-blooded celt whine about red squares? I think not!

[mstriumph]

Shameful state of affairs this red repping an act of cowardice sign your reps and prepare for battle or go hide under your mummies skirt and tell tales!!!!!

it wasn't you, was it??? :dodge:

[idleidolidyll]

wasn't moi - even though i WAS very hurt when you called me "just a progeny of a good ol Celtish rape and pillaging" - us Celtic women never raped NOone :innocent:


besides, i liked it when you called me a prodigy .... even if you DID spell it wrong :mellow:

i didn't think it was you, you might be a wench but you've got balls unlike the anonymous redsters

plus i reckon you're intelligent enough to read between the lines and smile; again, unlike the childish redsters

prodigy, progeny, prodigal, promiscuous: you're definitely at least one of those

[James Deuce]

Well, once you've been here long enough, the redsters won't be anonymous.

Then you can have a good go.

Make sure you do it in public though. I like learning new insults.

[idleidolidyll]

I'm a Celt, I'm growing a giant red beard as I type. My employer is not happy.

Also, would a red-blooded celt whine about red squares? I think not!

hilarious, did you send cowardly anonymous red abuse and then try to deflect?

if so, your celt ancestors are turning in their graves

[idleidolidyll]

Well, once you've been here long enough, the redsters won't be anonymous.

Then you can have a good go.

Make sure you do it in public though. I like learning new insults.



jim, you've seen enough of me to know that i don't hide behind anything: i'm a REAL celt

and yes, when i gain the ridiculous right to know which cowards anonymously slam me, i'll most certainly flay them with my cat-o-nine-tongues!

[idleidolidyll]

Well, once you've been here long enough, the redsters won't be anonymous.

Then you can have a good go.

Make sure you do it in public though. I like learning new insults.



BTW jim, i actually joined this place years ago but nobody was posting anything so i left for more fertile pastures. this whole time served extra rights stuff is childish nonsense.
put your hands up all those who think i have any respect for a biker just 'cause they've posted 3000 messages on the internet..................

[James Deuce]

jim, you've seen enough of me to know that i don't hide behind anything: i'm a REAL celt

and yes, when i gain the ridiculous right to know which cowards anonymously slam me, i'll most certainly flay them with my cat-o-nine-tongues!

Bloody oath mate.

[idleidolidyll]

I like learning new insults.



OK, here's one for when wundumcun from china pisses you off:

zhu ni loh moh (fuck your mother) pronounced kinda like that big tongan rugby player who made the pomes look like soft cocks

or if you like: jew knee lo mo

[McJim]

As the Scotti's were an Irish clan that moved to the area now known as Scotland, and surplanted the Picts, who were the natives of the area,
PTO

Close Monsieur Merde - Dai made a similar statement some time ago too.

the Scots tribe moved from Ireland to Dalriada (being the west coast of scotland) and actually co-habited in scotland with the Picts...they then united under King McAlpine (there had been previous unions but McAlpine's stood the test of time well) The Scots therefore became primarily a mixture of an Irish clan and the indigenous Picts - but later became a mish mash of Norse, Danish, Saxon, Norman etc.. they are no more celtic or pureblood than anyone else - we are all mongrels!

My family originated in Belgium when a bunch of mercenaries were hired by the Scottish King in about 1170 to repel a Norse Invasion at the Battle of Largs. Our family were then gifted land - the name of which we took for ourselves forsaking the Waloon origins from Belgium and became lairds and Earls of Scotland until near anihilation by the Montgomeries.

As for red rep - there's only one member of the website that has so far found me worthy of such an honour ;) I thank thee for thy attentions kind sir!

[Steam]

I'm a McEwan, we were invaded and broken and dispersed, and spent the next few hundred years being mercenaries and no-gooders.

[James Deuce]

Gregor McEwan. Hah hah.

[idleidolidyll]

As for red rep - there's only one member of the website that has so far found me worthy of such an honour ;) I thank thee for thy attentions kind sir!

so you've received one and given how many? i smell a hypocrite

BTW: of course that red was merely bitch slapping you with what you'd previously sent and, unlike some cowards, not done in disguise

but i'll give you some credit at least for signing your name to yours

[Guitana]

Gregor McEwan. Hah hah.


Aye!!! and a right good Jedi!!!!

[Colapop]

I am a Dane.

I am of Viking decent.

I am from Northland.

[Guitana]

OK, here's one for when wundumcun from china pisses you off:

zhu ni loh moh (fuck your mother) pronounced kinda like that big tongan rugby player who made the pomes look like soft cocks

or if you like: jew knee lo mo

Are you speaking Mandarin or Cantonese?????

[Guitana]

I am a Dane.

I am of Viking decent.

I am from Northland.

Oh fuck I was wondering when you were gonna turn up!!!!!!

[mstriumph]

I am a Dane.

I am of Viking decent.

I am from Northland.

you missed out "I am outnumbered" :shutup:

[Colapop]

You just line up one at a time and we'll start with that shall we?

[idleidolidyll]

Are you speaking Mandarin or Cantonese?????

I speak Mandarin (putonghua) but i think that one is universal

give it a go but make sure he hasn't got a knife first or is a freind with a thick skin

[Nitzer]

I'm descended from the French.......i'll get my coat :bye:

[idleidolidyll]

I'm descended from the French.......i'll get my coat :bye:

so are the English............stay a while and hold their hands while they weep

[McJim]

so you've received one and given how many? i smell a hypocrite

BTW: of course that red was merely bitch slapping you with what you'd previously sent and, unlike some cowards, not done in disguise

but i'll give you some credit at least for signing your name to yours

Stop sniffing yourself bro' it 's unseemly in a public place!:rofl: (said in a friendly and humerous tone so don't get vitriolic on me!)

I only ever red rep people that red repped me - and I never ever did it first.

Hey look - you obviously don't like me - why not just put me on ignore and leave it at that? You'll never see my posts, hell you won't even see the rep I give you - And I've given you more green bling than you realise....

Give Dai my best regards,

Cheers

[idleidolidyll]

Stop sniffing yourself bro' it 's unseemly in a public place!:rofl: (said in a friendly and humerous tone so don't get vitriolic on me!)
yeah right, as friendly as telling you you're a fukkin tosser or a whiny haggis

I only ever red rep people that red repped me - and I never ever did it first.

there's that whinin, tell it to someone who gives a damn or believes your crap

Hey look - you obviously don't like me -

no jim, i just don't respect you and your childish pm's are to blame for that

why not just put me on ignore and leave it at that?

i don't put anyone on ignore, why don't YOU put ME on ignore?

You'll never see my posts, hell you won't even see the rep I give you - And I've given you more green bling than you realise....

on and on and on and on...........are you a haggi or a whiny pome, i'm having a problem differentiating?

Give Dai my best regards,

Cheers

abuse with sugar? keep bitchin jimmy, it suits ya

[Nitzer]

What's up with the pair of you? I thought the Irish and Scots were the best of pals

[McJim]

Fair enough - I don't respect your opinions enough to be offended - now stop sending me PMs.

[idleidolidyll]

Fair enough - I don't respect your opinions enough to be offended - now stop sending me PMs.

sure jimmy, you stop the whiny pm's and i stop replying; easy enough eh?!

[idleidolidyll]

"I thought the Irish and Scots were the best of pals"

jimmy has expressed his disdain for the irish on a number of occassions.

it's like kiwis and aussies; only 'friends' when they're ganging up on the english

[Wolf]

What's up with the pair of you? I thought the Irish and Scots were the best of pals
Depends on what tribes they're from. There was a lot of inter-tribe/inter-clan fighting, there were allegiances and fostering of each other's children was used to build good relationships, as was intermarrying.

What Vercingetorix achieved at the battle of Alesia was amazing - he managed to unite Celtic tribes against a common enemy. 'Twas a bugger he lost. And unlike the pustules that pass for world leaders (or even corporate leaders) these days, who are quick to find a scapegoat for their fuck ups, when he failed he presented himself to the chiefs and gave them the choice of dealing with him themselves or handing him over to the Romans. They elected to pass him over to the Romans.

He bathed, put on his finest clothes and walked to the Roman fortification where he surrendered, taking full responsibility for leading the tribes against the Roman invaders.

Caesar, the "great civilised Roman" dragged him around Gaul as a war trophy and, on his triumphant return to Rome, paraded him before the public and had him "strangled like a dog" in the middle of the Via Apia.

And people wonder why I have no respect for our current crop of "leaders" and why I hate the Romans with a vengeance and really get slutted when some retarded so-called "Academic" witters on about "Roman Civilisation" - there has never been any such fucking thing!

The only Celt I seriously want to boot up the arse (aside from that slag Cartimandua of the Brigantes who betrayed Caratacos to the Romans) is Brennius - he had Rome on its knees before him, held the Senate hostage and demanded (and got) ransom (this was before Rome became an Empire). The bugger should have killed them all and burned the place to the ground then sowed the soil with salt (as the Romans would later do to Carthage) to ensure the pustulent scum never got beond subsistance foraging for the next 2000 years, let alone became an Empire.

The last human queen I am prepared to recognise, is Boudicca.

[Wolf]

And as to red rep - I never give it out. Green rep, frequently - including to those with whom I disagree if they argue well enough. I'd rather state my mind in public than red rep a person in private. I don't resort to blowing raspberries or chanting "nya nya nya" either - I put them all on a par...

[McJim]

The last human queen I am prepared to recognise, is Boudicca.

Boudicca's campaign, while devastating, was aimed at soft targets - her army was unfortunately ill equipped when they actually came up against the Roman Army - they were also out-positioned on the field and where discretion is the better part of valour and cowardice is the better part of discretion they should have bravely utilised their local knowledge and run away!

[Wolf]

Boudicca's campaign, while devastating, was aimed at soft targets - her army was unfortunately ill equipped when they actually came up against the Roman Army - they were also out-positioned on the field and where discretion is the better part of valour and cowardice is the better part of discretion they should have bravely utilised their local knowledge and run away!
Instead, they stood and fought and were slaughtered before the remaining survivors ran away. Boudicca herself is thought to have killed herself rather than be taken alive by the Romans and it is believed that faithful followers disposed of her body so that the Romans could not descrate it or her grave.

At least she made a stand against the so-called Emperor-God Nero and taught a few Romans that you don't rape a queen and have her daughters flogged without dire consequences.

They were also hindered by the fact that the Celts were great skirmish fighters but lousy at tactics and going up against trained, disciplined troops such as the Roman soldiers.

[scumdog]

My Clan motto:

"Touch not the cat but a glove"


A Celt from wayback.

[scumdog]

And we want the Chathams back
Signed
Descendants of Tommy Sullivan

At the risk somebody has already mentioned it: I was under the impression the name was "Solomon".


Am I right??

[petermonkeyguru]

My great grandmothers are; Maori (Tamakiamoana), aboriginal Australian, English and a Jewess.
The male line on my fathers side goes back to Cornish (good ol Pirates) – our history is first recorded in 46AD when the Romans were travelling to Bath and came across our anceistors in the Kingswood Forest by Bristol – apparently they were pigeon eaters!

I find it interesting we are often referred to as European? No Europeans in my line.

So what happened to the Pict’s – they were there before the Scott’s weren’t they? Where they go?

[Wolf]

My Clan motto:

"Touch not the cat but a glove"


A Celt from wayback.
And a verrah vicious-looking cat on the crest, as I recall.

[McJim]

So what happened to the Pict’s – they were there before the Scott’s weren’t they? Where they go?

the Picts (this was the Romans' name for them) were integrated into a Celtic Tribe that then became the Scots.

We're all mongrels by the way which is a good thing - when you actually see the results of in-breeding it makes you pleased to be a mixture.

[Wolf]

when you actually see the results of in-breeding
You mean aside from GW Bush?

[idleidolidyll]

At the risk somebody has already mentioned it: I was under the impression the name was "Solomon".


Am I right??

yeah of course you're right scumdog.

i quipped that maybe i could claim some chathams land when i saw the first reference to 'sullivan', my mom's family name.

nobody else seems to have picked up on it.

wasn't Tommy Solomon the last full blooded Moriori?

[James Deuce]

wasn't Tommy Solomon the last full blooded Moriori?

Except me. Post #76

[Mr Merde]

I'm back,

Been away for a few days spreading the genes in the southern climes.

Gotta improve the bloodline whenever possible.

Nice to see this thread has developed so well.

Some serious, some a lile touchy, most enjoyng a real good rant.

I thought I was going to get blown out of the water over this one when I oriinally wrote it.

I was pissed off at inferences both here and elsewhere, that I didnt have a culture or at least one that counted.

The oldest identifiable Celtic remains unearthed were in the Swiss Alps and dated back 7000 years, even those were fairly sophisticated items so modern archeology guesses that the Celts originated somewhere around the steppes of what is now Russia.

How can I as a decendant of these people not have a culture or a proud history.

Not many people know that the story of "King Arthur" as written by Geofry of Monmouthshire came from Celtic stories. He said that he travelled to the "land of the Britons" and used their stories from the Book of the Celts as a basis for his story. His story was written in the 13th century while he was in Cambridge. "The Land of the Britons" refered to was Wales. A celtic country then.

Welsh, Cornish, Irish, Scotts, IOM, and Brettons are all of the bloodline. Apart from a lot of rape and pillage of course.

[Manxman]

I descend from the highland McLeod's, the nasty one's who smoked the McDonald's to death in a cave way back when.


...I sense a new type of Big Mac in the offing...

[Manxman]

I'm back,

Been away for a few days spreading the genes in the southern climes.

Gotta improve the bloodline whenever possible.

Nice to see this thread has developed so well.

Some serious, some a lile touchy, most enjoyng a real good rant.

I thought I was going to get blown out of the water over this one when I oriinally wrote it.

I was pissed off at inferences both here and elsewhere, that I didnt have a culture or at least one that counted.

The oldest identifiable Celtic remains unearthed were in the Swiss Alps and dated back 7000 years, even those were fairly sophisticated items so modern archeology guesses that the Celts originated somewhere around the steppes of what is now Russia.

How can I as a decendant of these people not have a culture or a proud history.

Not many people know that the story of "King Arthur" as written by Geofry of Monmouthshire came from Celtic stories. He said that he travelled to the "land of the Britons" and used their stories from the Book of the Celts as a basis for his story. His story was written in the 13th century while he was in Cambridge. "The Land of the Britons" refered to was Wales. A celtic country then.

Welsh, Cornish, Irish, Scotts, IOM, and Brettons are all of the bloodline. Apart from a lot of rape and pillage of course.

...now you're talking...unfortunately, I think I'm more related to one of these two:

[Wolf]

Not many people know that the story of "King Arthur" as written by Geofry of Monmouthshire came from Celtic stories. He said that he travelled to the "land of the Britons" and used their stories from the Book of the Celts as a basis for his story. His story was written in the 13th century while he was in Cambridge. "The Land of the Britons" refered to was Wales. A celtic country then.
And he romanticised it, "modernised" it and generally fucked it up with soppy courtly shit. The real "Bear" ("Arth" or "Ursus") is said to have unified Nationalist and Imperialist factions in post-Roman-Occupation "Britain" against the common enemy of teh Saxons and the Angles around the late 400s. In that way he was like Vercingetorix. Monmouth had him set much later amid chivalry and castles and full plate armour while in reality he would have been far more "down to Earth" in a time of hill forts, boiled or studded leather, chain mail and discarded Roman armour.

The recent movie depicted him as a Roman soldier who stayed behind when the Romans withdrew but historical and literary sources would suggest a native of the region now known as Wales.

The book "King Arthur, The True Story" makes some very good cases for him originating in Gwyneth and being part of a successive line from Ambrosius (often tied into Arthurian legend and in some versions cognate with Arthur but Ambrosius was too early to be the historical Arthur.) The authors believe they have worked out the succession and that "Excalibur" was the sword of office of the Segontium Legion - stationed in Gwyneth - passed onto Ambrosius (and then handed down to his successors) as proof of mandate. There is a rather interesting comparison between Arthur's sword as described in an early text known as "The Dream of Rhonabwy" and the recorded emblem of the Segontium Legion and the authors surmise that it is possible the hilt of the legion's sword of office was fashioned in the style of their emblem. They theorise (largely from the Dream of Rhonabwy's description and the style of swords at the time) that the sword was a "spatha", a Roman sword patterned off the long slashing sword of the Celts, rather than the shorter, thrusting sword of the Romans - the Gladius.

The image they build from historical knowledge (artifacts, historical documents etc) is of a time of turmoil, the land divided between those who prospered under Imperial Law (and desirous of that to remain) and those who wished to return to the tribal lifestyle prior to the occupation. Into this comes the Saxon, the Angles and the Jutes. A man of Celtic stock, chosen as the latest successor to the authority handed over by the departing Romans, rises up to join the two factions together against the invaders. His right to rule the Imperialists proven by his possession of the sword of office, his suitability to command the Nationalists demonstrated by the fact he got them to listen to reason.

They dismiss fanciful tales of huge Medieval castles (not yet built), chivalry (a Norman concept), full plate armour and cruciform swords (not yet in vogue) and talk of warriors armed with old Roman spathas, the Celtic slashing swords after which they were patterned or whatever weapons, farm utensils and hunting weapons they could lay their hands on and dressed in a mish-mash of tunics and trews, leather, chain mail and Roman armour, sleeping in stone or wood hill forts, fighting their enemies out in the open wherever they found them. Nationalist and Imperialist together.

It has long been noted that the name "Arthur" was not known at that time in history and oft theorised that (given the appellation "The Bear" has been applied to Arthur) the name is perhaps an amalgamation of the Celtic "Arth" and the Latin "Ursus", each meaning "bear". Given the political climate at the time and what he is supposed to have achieved, it is not unreasonable that Arth and Ursus became "Arthur", possibly via "Arth-Ursus".

So we have an image. A bear of a man, huge, probably shaggy haired, bearded, imposing, solid, wielding the sword of the Segontium Legion and the eloquence to sway the Nationalists (and convince the Imperialists that it's a good idea).

Interestingly, the authors did their research in the 1980-90s and came to conclusions not too disimilar to those of one Rosemary Sutcliff who wrote "A Sword at Sunset" back in the 1960s. Her Arthur was very much like the historical Arthur proposed by the researchers. Her Arthur was a Celtic Warlord; he raised an army, equipped it with the best horses (to the point that he and a band of followers slept in holding pens at the sale yards in order to get in early and buy the best ones) and took on the Saxons. His troops were a mottley group so far as weapons and armour went (Arthur's sword was a long-bladed weapon with short quillons like a Celtic slashing sword or a Roman spatha) and they camped out, got rained on and took refuge in deserted villages or hill forts. She had enough knowledge of her subject matter to put her fictional rendering of what "King Arthur" must have really been like into realistic perspective. She went all out to create a "man behind the myth" story and her conclusions about what must have been - based on the politics, technology, fashion etc of the 400s - were brilliant.
It is also interesting to note that her characters had the Welsh renderings of the names as per the old sources such as Dream of Rhonabwy, Nennius's battle list and others, not the Norman spellings. Gwynyfawr, I believe, rather than Guinnivere. No Lancelot/Launcelot, no Merlin, no magic.

It did have what could be called "elves" though - fine-boned early inhabitants of the land who had taken to the forests with the coming of later invaders and had stayed there ever since. Skilled in the uses of natural poisons (food and poisoned arrows), excellent at camouflage and guerilla warfare, feared by the Romano-Celtic people at large (never eat their food, beware their arrows, they're known to taint the water in the wells or carry off children and replace them with their own, never venture into the woods alone, leave them offerings of food and drink and they may spare you their mischief... sound familiar?) and are so at home in their forests that they seem to appear and disappear at will. They're fine featured, slender and agile and their ears are not quite as rounded at the tip as those of the general populace...

They aid the warlord in his attacks, causing havoc among the enemy (tainted food and water, disappearances, poison arrows) and bringing intelligence of enemy movements - often to the consternation of some of his own troops who're uneasy about being close to the forest dwellers.

Excellent story, stripping away a lot of the romantic crap and writing a believeable "man behind the legend" story that actually stands up to research done later by a team of researchers.

[MikeyG]

I have no proof but with my regal posture and tendancy to burp after meals (it's a compliment to the chef, honest) I'm sure I'm descended from eastern european royalty

[yungatart]

I have no proof but with my regal posture and tendancy to burp after meals (it's a compliment to the chef, honest) I'm sure I'm descended from eastern european royalty

Mstrs does that too! Maybe you are related:innocent:

[Ixion]

Their Elbonian Majesties !

[Macktheknife]

jim, you've seen enough of me to know that i don't hide behind anything: i'm a REAL celt

and yes, when i gain the ridiculous right to know which cowards anonymously slam me, i'll most certainly flay them with my cat-o-nine-tongues!

And we hope you will also have the stones to apologise to all those you have wrongly accused! lol

[idleidolidyll]

And we hope you will also have the stones to apologise to all those you have wrongly accused! lol

wrongly accused?

who and of what, make a list

pissing in the wind only gets your leg wet and makes you smelly

[scumdog]

pissing in the wind only gets your leg wet and makes you smelly

And you've certainly got a black-belt in THAT!!

"TUOCH NOT THE CAT BUT A GLOVE"

[idleidolidyll]

And you've certainly got a black-belt in THAT!!

"TUOCH NOT THE CAT BUT A GLOVE"

WOW! That's a massive YAAWWWNNN!!!