250HP but still with 2.5 litres per 100km? Yeehah!!

[idleidolidyll]

http://www.startwin.com/pagina/bikes/special/thunderstar/thunderstar.htm#

[crazybigal]

with all the carbon and light weight trick gear its still 205kg!!

[Jimmy B]

http://www.startwin.com/pagina/bikes/special/thunderstar/thunderstar.htm#

I no spekin Deutsche but I do understand 100PS and 250 neuts - geepers

[idleidolidyll]

with all the carbon and light weight trick gear its still 205kg!!

not bad for a diesel though and not only can it make 250HP, it also makes over 250lb torque!

There is no production bike I know of that even comes close to that kind of power

[idleidolidyll]

I no spekin Deutsche but I do understand 100PS and 250 neuts - geepers

that's only the std version
the 'performance' version more than doubles the power and torque

mere humans would barely be able to hold on

for me the 160lb torque and 100hp std version would be more than enough what with 2.5 litres per 100kph. That's a range of 720 kilometres per tank (18 litres)!

[Jimmy B]

not bad for a diesel though and not only can it make 250HP, it also makes over 250lb torque!

There is no production bike I know of that even comes close to that kind of power

Nay III I thought Ft lbs and NMs are different eg My bike is 80+ ftlbs but 116 NMs

If I read the specs correctly, and it is very likely that I havent one model is putting out 100hp and 250nms??

[crazybigal]

did you see that other one that came out of dutch land a year or so ago? looked like a HD cost like 50K!

[idleidolidyll]

Here's some English for ya: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/02/25/thunder-star-1200-diesel-by-star-twin/

[Jimmy B]

that's only the std version
the 'performance' version more than doubles the power and torque

mere humans would barely be able to hold on

for me the 160lb torque and 100hp std version would be more than enough what with 2.5 litres per 100kph. That's a range of 720 kilometres per tank (18 litres)!

Crikey if thats correct then how on earth would you ride it, 2 speed box?

[xwhatsit]

Where does it say 250HP? All I can see is `70PS, 160Nm (aktuell). 100PS, 200 bis 250Nm (angestrebt)' which to my guess would say something like ~70HP at the rear wheel, but with 160Nm of torque.

[idleidolidyll]

Nay III I thought Ft lbs and NMs are different eg My bike is 80+ ftlbs but 116 NMs

If I read the specs correctly, and it is very likely that I havent one model is putting out 100hp and 250nms??

it seems the specs are 'variable'; turbo/injection tweaks no doubt.

Hell, even the 80HP model with 165 ft/lb of torque would be a wild wild beast with the grunt of a Rocket 3 in a bike half the weight (ish)

I'm gonna bookmark this one and keep and eye out.

Imagine it if you will, a fire breathing monster powered by used cooking oil with the ability to tear down small buildings but still get 700 kilometres to a tank of fuel!

[idleidolidyll]

Where does it say 250HP? All I can see is `70PS, 160Nm (aktuell). 100PS, 200 bis 250Nm (angestrebt)' which to my guess would say something like ~70HP at the rear wheel, but with 160Nm of torque.

the english write up says 80hp and 165 ft/lb in stock form. torque = acceleration and with 205kg, that's bloody monstrous!

i've seen it before somewhere and it's been tweaked for more than 200Hp and 250 ft/lb

i wouldn't swear on a case of guinness though...............

[The Pastor]

I want one. Imagine how easy it would be to remap it and boost the boost up a few more psi......

[idleidolidyll]

did you see that other one that came out of dutch land a year or so ago? looked like a HD cost like 50K!

nah, never saw that one but sure, as a hand built one off it's gotta cost loads.

If it ever goes into production though, it's just an ordinary motor surrounded by ordinaryish technology and should be viable in numbers at something like Ducati 1098 dollars

[Jimmy B]

Here's some English for ya: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/02/25/thunder-star-1200-diesel-by-star-twin/

Thanks III, 120bhp and 250 foot pounds at 5500rpm with a bit of remapping and 5 speed box, 700 kms per tank as you say on cooking oil, I would like to have a go on that I guess....but i'd be a bit edgey. I guess I could always tow my boat with it....

[idleidolidyll]

I want one. Imagine how easy it would be to remap it and boost the boost up a few more psi......

indeed, injection and turbo mods and i believe the 250hp/250ft lb numbers i recall from an earlier write up are realistic

scary stuff and eco friendly to boot!

[idleidolidyll]

My next BEARs racer?

[Jimmy B]

My next BEARs racer?

haha - Id turn up to watch that one mate

[crazybigal]

its called the "Neander" torque figures, 175Nm at 2600rpm. sounds more like a tractor! 3l/100km
http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/neander_1400_turbo_diesel_motorcycle/



nah, never saw that one but sure, as a hand built one off it's gotta cost loads.

If it ever goes into production though, it's just an ordinary motor surrounded by ordinaryish technology and should be viable in numbers at something like Ducati 1098 dollars

[imdying]

Riiight.... so there's no 250bhp 2.5km/l bike. Nice imagination though :yes:

[jonbuoy]

If any governments are serious about cutting CO2 outputs this is the way to go. The answer is staring them all in the face. We don't need bus lanes we need more bikes like this and a seperate motorcycle only lane.

[idleidolidyll]

its called the "Neander" torque figures, 175Nm at 2600rpm. sounds more like a tractor! 3l/100km
http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/neander_1400_turbo_diesel_motorcycle/


interesting. not quite as powerful as the other but still an interesting development in the world of motorcycling. at nearly 600lb it's more akin to a huge Yank bike than what i like to ride and yes indeed, it is aimed at the cruiser market.
i have been wondering lately what the oil crisis will eventually mean for motorcyclists. the move to alternative energy sources threatened to make bikes boring and gutless.
these few diesel projects are really interesting and signal eco fuel alternatives that don't have to be dull and gutless. I suppose there will be resistance from many riders to diesel power but I for one would leap at the chance if it were in my price range.

[vagrant]

Here's some English for ya: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/02/25/thunder-star-1200-diesel-by-star-twin/

The diesel bike with those sort of power figures sounds like it would be crazy fun to ride, but The V8 hayabusa engine on the same page is just Mad!

[idleidolidyll]

The diesel bike with those sort of power figures sounds like it would be crazy fun to ride, but The V8 hayabusa engine on the same page is just Mad!

yeah, i found that whole page amazing and spent ages following the links

[Jimmy B]

i have been wondering lately what the oil crisis will eventually mean for motorcyclists. the move to alternative energy sources threatened to make bikes boring and gutless.
these few diesel projects are really interesting and signal eco fuel alternatives that don't have to be dull and gutless. I suppose there will be resistance from many riders to diesel power but I for one would leap at the chance if it were in my price range.

I read some time back about the US military desire for a motorcycle that was in line with their one fuel aspirations and a diesel dirt bike was the subject. It looked pretty good too albeit of modest performance. At the time, I thought that a Sports Tourer in diesel would be great but feared until this post that it would be pretty feeble by comparision. Looks like the future is all good....electric bike anyone :dodge: