Number-one driving offence. [Archive]

Skyryder

18th March 2007, 17:15

It's about time some serious effort by the Highway Patrol to reduce this sort of thing.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10429403

Here in Christchurch it is extreemly rare to see any vehicles 'completly stop' as the law requires. This and running redlights are in my opinion the two most 'abused' traffic regulations in this country.

Skyryder

paturoa

18th March 2007, 17:29

sad

Most common offence would have to be following too close / tail gating

JimO

18th March 2007, 17:32

bad news all right but what is a 22 yo mother of two doing with a 15 year old????????

Macktheknife

18th March 2007, 17:49

bad news all right but what is a 22 yo mother of two doing with a 15 year old????????

Same thing she did with the previous guy?

scumdog

18th March 2007, 18:14

bell

18th March 2007, 19:14

+1 for tailgating.

avgas

18th March 2007, 19:29

Big wow a dodgy young driver from Waihi.......and they crashed cos they didnt know how to drive.......
I say through the parents in prison too.

Romeo

18th March 2007, 20:41

I live in a Cul-de-sac and we've got a stop sign at the entrance. However, there is a perfect view of at least 100m up the road as you approach the stop. So I have no idea why it's there TBH and as such a lot of people run it [don't come to a complete stop]. Could be a good little earner for the establishment.

Anyways, as with any of these "My child/friend was killed doing xxxxx" - it's usually not the xxxxx's fault. It's sad of course, but it's like anything dangerous - you can't come into these things thinking your never going to get injured or worse.

Squeak the Rat

19th March 2007, 08:40

Oh no, not another typical KB whinge thread from people who have no idea what it's like to be a cop, suggesting that resources be taken away from catching speeders.

SPman

19th March 2007, 14:14

Way back when, stop signs used to be a favourite target, with a black & white often sitting just up the road....waiting...and never for long.......

KLOWN

19th March 2007, 16:00

there would be no need for stop signs, only give way signs if people just opened there fucken eyes and looked before going. Fucken muppets. I hate having to come to a complete stop at stop signs. I do, but I dont like to.

the Number one driving offence in my opinions is red light runners or crossing the yellow/white line. The amount of times i've almost been hit by a muppet on my side of the road is unbelievable, and because you a bike they don't try and move back to thier side because i dont take the full lane up. At least when approaching a stop sign or sitting at a red light that then turns green is you have more of a chance to avoid accident by expecting idiot to go through the stop. Or you can look before going on the green but if some one comes round a blind corner on your side of the road its very difficult to avoid.

spudchucka

19th March 2007, 16:10

bad news all right but what is a 22 yo mother of two doing with a 15 year old????????

I think that the answer lies somewhere within the question.

Patrick

19th March 2007, 16:13

I think that the answer lies somewhere within the question.

She was his mother?

Pumba

19th March 2007, 16:14

Friday's crash at the intersection of SH27 and the Tahuna-Paeroa road, known as the Swamp Road

Its a shame, and the worst thing is any body that knows that intersection will know how blody dangours it is, its not thefrst person to be killed in that spot all from doing exactly the same thing.

Fatjim

19th March 2007, 16:42

I think that the answer lies somewhere within the question.

I think the answer lies hidden somewhere in "Read the article fucking properly next time". Did anybody spot it or was I a little too subtle.

I don't think the accident would have been fatal if

a. the 4wd was driving slower.
b. the young driver wasn't driving or
c. the 2 roads didn't intersect.

We've done a to death, b's on the way and when b's been the topic de'jour for a while we'll start complaining about intersections. Somehow I don't think they'll ever get to the point that drivers should be trained to drive safely.

Fatjim

19th March 2007, 16:44

Its a shame, and the worst thing is any body that knows that intersection will know how blody dangours it is, its not thefrst person to be killed in that spot all from doing exactly the same thing.

Given the context, "body" means a dead lump of human flesh. Since these don't know much it's probably better to join the "any" to the "body" and bring it alive.

Clockwork

19th March 2007, 17:41

Yeah, well you should hear the screams and pathetic excuses when you DO ticket soembody for failing to stop at a stop sign.

"I was stopped" "I nearly stopped" " nothing was coming" "I thought it was a give way" etc etc.

And then there are those that drive around with a car load (or just by themselves) while on a Learner licence.
"But I'm the sober driver" "I thought it was OK if your brother was with you" "I was just taking the DVDs back to the video shop" "I've got a licence"

Garrrgh!!!!

Ticket me when I drive through some of the bloody stupid compulsory STOP intersections around my town with perfectly good visability in both directions and nothing comming for me to give way to and you can hear me have a good winge about it too.....

I have the utmost respect for compulsory stop intersections..... where used appropriately, all else is just bullshit imho

Skyryder

19th March 2007, 18:19

Ticket me when I drive through some of the bloody stupid compulsory STOP intersections around my town with perfectly good visability in both directions and nothing comming for me to give way to and you can hear me have a good winge about it too.....

I have the utmost respect for compulsory stop intersections..... where used appropriately, all else is just bullshit imho

And that is exactly the reason people get killed at compulsary stops. Oh I thought the road was clear.

Skyryder

Edbear

19th March 2007, 18:32

Its a shame, and the worst thing is any body that knows that intersection will know how blody dangours it is, its not thefrst person to be killed in that spot all from doing exactly the same thing.

Lived in Morrinsville for 10 years, every time I travel 27 I am on full alert approaching that intersection even after major reconstruction there!

Was a discussion on the radio Friday, about how so many seem to take too long to move after the green light. Contradicting the complaints about being too slow to move was the argument, esp. in Auck. that to move immediately the light turns green is a sure way to die from those racing through the red!

Around here, green means pause and check, then go! Even in Orewa, they need red-light camera's! Stop signs? Don't they mean, "slow briefly"?

scumdog

19th March 2007, 20:13

And that is exactly the reason people get killed at compulsary stops. Oh I thought the road was clear.

Skyryder

'Dead' right - after a person has driven through a stop-sign controlled intersection and caused a crash I have yet to hear any of them say "Oh, I could see another car coming but drove through the intersection anyway".

Clockwork

20th March 2007, 07:44

And that is exactly the reason people get killed at compulsary stops. Oh I thought the road was clear.

Skyryder

Nuts!!!! they get killed because they didn't look!!..... I believe it can happen at Give Way intersections too.

Compulsory stops should be used only where there are visablilty issues. Idiots who fail to give way are just as likely to do it at CS intersections as GW intersections.

Patrick

20th March 2007, 08:37

Ticket me when I drive through some of the bloody stupid compulsory STOP intersections around my town with perfectly good visability in both directions and nothing comming for me to give way to and you can hear me have a good winge about it too.....

I have the utmost respect for compulsory stop intersections..... where used appropriately, all else is just bullshit imho

They are usually turned into stop signs because somewhere, some time, someone didn't give way and died, or at least it is a high crash intersection because people don't get it....

Clockwork

20th March 2007, 13:42

So did the stop sign work in this case? Apparently not, because the driver involved was not paying attention, he probably didn't even realise he was going through a CS intersection!

If I drive through one it will be because I can see that there is nothing to give way to.

scumdog

20th March 2007, 13:44

If I drive through one it will be because I can see that there is nothing to give way to.

Mwahahaha!
Famous last words - I wish I had a dollar every time I heard that one after a crash at a CS intersection (or a GW one for that matter).

KLOWN

20th March 2007, 13:54

Mwahahaha!
Famous last words - I wish I had a dollar every time I heard that one after a crash at a CS intersection (or a GW one for that matter).

exactly. Doesn't matter wheather its a give way or a stop sign. People just need to open their eyes and fucking look!

Clockwork

20th March 2007, 14:33

Mwahahaha!
Famous last words - I wish I had a dollar every time I heard that one after a crash at a CS intersection (or a GW one for that matter).

I feel we are failing to communicate here. If you are attending incidents at intersections then obviously some one failed to give way; it really doesn't matter what they say at this point they've already demonstrated their inattention.

If I approach an intersection, in a 50kph zone and can clearly see 80-100m in each direction, and the road is empty............ why would I stop? Its not unlike the passing restrictions that are used where you can see for miles if its safe to pass. My feelings are that these scenarios are created by nannying bureaucrats and effectively diminish the credibility, respect for and ultimately value of worthwhile road safety devices.

scumdog

20th March 2007, 19:41

I feel we are failing to communicate here. If you are attending incidents at intersections then obviously some one failed to give way; it really doesn't matter what they say at this point they've already demonstrated their inattention.

If I approach an intersection, in a 50kph zone and can clearly see 80-100m in each direction, and the road is empty............ why would I stop? Its not unlike the passing restrictions that are used where you can see for miles if its safe to pass. My feelings are that these scenarios are created by nannying bureaucrats and effectively diminish the credibility, respect for and ultimately value of worthwhile road safety devices.

Listen Sherlock, I bet all the drivers that failed to stop/give-way and crashed at intersections had the same attitude, they all thought that stopping was only if they could see a car...or for other drivers who weren't as good as them.

I'd put money on none of them saying "Yer, I could see that there car a-coming but decided to go for it anyway".

Just like all those that have head-ons, run off the road and other bad driving thought they were better than average drivers too.

Oh, and "why should I stop"? - 'cos the law sez ya should - or pay $150 for the privelege of not doing so.

Nice troll BTW!!!!

Skyryder

20th March 2007, 19:51

Listen Sherlock, I bet all the drivers that failed to stop/give-way and crashed at intersections had the same attitude, they all thought that stopping was only if they could see a car...or for other drivers who weren't as good as them.

I'd put money on none of them saying "Yer, I could see that there car a-coming but decided to go for it anyway".

Just like all those that have head-ons, run off the road and other bad driving thought they were better than average drivers too.

Oh, and "why should I stop"? - 'cos the law sez ya should - or pay $150 for the privelege of not doing so.

Nice troll BTW!!!!

Good one SD. And I bet these fucker are the first to complain if a cage cuts them off or does not signal etc. Or for that matter a cage does not stop at a Compulsary Stop. A stop sign says what it means. STOP. It's one of the biggest sign out on the road. So whats wrong with giving your legs a stretch for a second or two. There is just no excuse of not stopping, period.

Skyryder

scumdog

20th March 2007, 19:58

Good one SD. And I bet these fucker are the first to complain if a cage cuts them off or does not signal etc. Or for that matter a cage does not stop at a Compulsary Stop. A stop sign says what it means. STOP. It's one of the biggest sign out on the road. So whats wrong with giving your legs a stretch for a second or two. There is just no excuse of not stopping, period.

Skyryder

True S.R. - but THEIR time is FAR more important than anybody elses - so why should THEY stop???

T-Thunder13

20th March 2007, 20:33

maybe they (learner drivers) should learn how to read befor they get behind the wheel of a car. (especially in the waikato haha)
and it should be compulsory for drivers to sit a defensive driving course before there allowed to do thier written learners, then they would have some idea of how to be alert on roads, i know it helped me drive more safely.
no driving course no licence.
they dont need to drop the age. they need to raise the iq of the fucken spoons driving.
and the 22 year old, sounds like a slut. was probably going to ruin his life anyway.

Edbear

20th March 2007, 21:14

So did the stop sign work in this case? .

I think you miss the point. No amount of regulation is going to stop people breaking the rules, witness the number of idiots taking on trains despite bells and barriers. Does that mean we shouldn't have rules? Who decides where there should be a CS or GW sign and why?

Opinions differ, but someone has to make the decision and we as road users are obliged to accept that decision. It is anarchy when people in general think they will disobey rules as it suits them because they know better than the authorities and then get angry when they are forced to face the consequences.

Maybe you are an expert driver/rider, and don't have or cause accidents, but does that mean the the rules should be set for your skill level or for the skill levels of those who are not as good as you?

Show me a driver/rider who knows he's incompetent and I'll show you a very rare person. Every incompetent I see on the road seems to think they are driving well!

SD makes a very good point. Why did the morons drive through the CS? DId they do so thinking they'd purposely crash? Does anyone crash on purpose? (Well, in some cases, but generally?) Why do accidents happen?

Ixion

20th March 2007, 21:30

I do not know about Wellington. But in the Norf, I have not observed any significant over use or inappropriate use of "Stop" signs.

So I think that it is wise to heed them, someone clearly thought there was a good reason why coming to a halt was advisable.

If they become abused (like yellow lines since the Insane Yellow Paint Maniac escaped from the asylum) I may change my mind. Until then, I will stop,and I would prefer it if other road users did likewise.

Clockwork

21st March 2007, 08:07

If "'cos the law sez ya should" and "There is just no excuse of not stopping, period." is all you've got then there's not much point in continuing this discussion.

For what its worth I suspect the intersections I have in mind have probably been CS since the days when the road they are on used to be SH2 but that was 20 years ago! so its anyone's guess what else may have changed about the intersection in that time it doesn't warrant a CS now

Anyway my name is not Sherlock and I don't like being referred to as a fucker. I guess the personal abuse means you've run out of rational arguments. Never mind, just assure me that you two pious gents ALWAYS obey EVERY law, I'd hate to think that this thread had made hypocrites of you.

Oh and yes SD. I do think my time is more important than anyone else's but I don't drive through these intersections to save time I do it because I can see nothing is fucking well coming and stopping would be pointless! I do this because I can think for myself and I will not surrender that right to bureaucrats. However, if the day ever dawns that I loose the ability to think for myself, then that's the day I will join the Police. I guess I will fit right in.

Patrick

21st March 2007, 11:36

Anyway my name is not Sherlock and I don't like being referred to as a fucker. I guess the personal abuse means you've run out of rational arguments. Never mind, just assure me that you two pious gents ALWAYS obey EVERY law, I'd hate to think that this thread had made hypocrites of you.

Oh and yes SD. I do think my time is more important than anyone else's but I don't drive through these intersections to save time I do it because I can see nothing is fucking well coming and stopping would be pointless! I do this because I can think for myself and I will not surrender that right to bureaucrats. However, if the day ever dawns that I loose the ability to think for myself, then that's the day I will join the Police. I guess I will fit right in.

Reading seems to be a problem with this one...

As it has been pointed out, many, many times....in many, many threads...

Dummies drive though these intersections because nothing is coming... as they say...

Yet why are they black spot crash areas? A fleeting glance doesnt always see the oncoming motorcyclist for example, and how many times do we hear about this type of situation on here?

"I didn't see him officer..." should in fact be, "I didn't stop and take a reasonable look before I pulled out when I thought nothing was coming, officer, because I am too self centred to give a toss about anyone else on the roads I am sharing with..."

Come on Sherlock... get with the programme..

Clockwork

21st March 2007, 20:36

No Patrick, reading doesn't seem to be your problem, I would suggest it’s your comprehension. I'll try to dumb it down for you.

Dummies may well say that there was nothing coming but we both know that vehicles don't materialise out of thin air. So, dummies drive through intersections and cause accidents because they didn't look, not because they didn't stop. And lets face it a "fleeting glance" isn't good enough at any intersection. If I have to stop to see, I will (funnily enough we have GW intersections like that in Upper Hutt too)

Come on Sherlock... get with the programme..

Which program would this be, Nanny Noes Best?... nah, I think I'll skip it. The local Bureaucrats are going to have to start demonstrating some far better reasoning skills before I take them seriously. I resigned my membership of the Tuffty Club when I was 8, I've been crossing the road just fine since then (I've even been known to cross then the light was red, but then again, only when there's nothing coming.)

Grahameeboy

21st March 2007, 20:54

Time our Clockwork..........:sunny:

But the problem with a lot of drivers is that they do just glance and often as they are moving forward over the give way line so I do not see anything wrong with Stop Signs. In fact, all intersections should be controlled by Stop Signs, regardless of 100m vision because by stopping it may just make the driver / rider think more and actually look rather than glance.

I mean how dumb is it having Give Way signs anyway, Stop Signs should be mandatory like speed signs.........you can only properly have an idea that it is safe to emerge by stopping first, enabling a driver to establish important factors like how fast is the car / bike on the road travelling and is it safe to emerge or should I wait.

Skyryder

21st March 2007, 21:38

Patrick

22nd March 2007, 00:46

No Patrick, reading doesn't seem to be your problem, I would suggest it’s your comprehension. I'll try to dumb it down for you.

This could read "No Clockwork, reading doesn't seem to be your problem, I would suggest it is YOUR comprehension..." Others have dumbed it down for you, but you still don't get it....

Dummies may well say that there was nothing coming but we both know that vehicles don't materialise out of thin air.

No shit Sherlock...

So, dummies drive through intersections and cause accidents because they didn't look, not because they didn't stop. And lets face it a "fleeting glance" isn't good enough at any intersection. If I have to stop to see, I will (funnily enough we have GW intersections like that in Upper Hutt too)

Dummies drive through stop signs without stopping because it doesn't apply to them...

Which program would this be, Nanny Noes ((aaaaargh - knows!!!) - unless you're playing a clever pun on the negativity)SP) Best?... nah, I think I'll skip it.

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