Ahmed Zaoui: Piss-taker or misunderstood?

[Expert]

Ref. NZ Herald Article
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=0009F2B4-D49D-15FB-BAEB83027AF1010F
I just read this (yes I know I'm behind a bit).

This Ahmed fella is involved in a march that culminates in the New Zealand flag being trampled, spat on and burned?

Is he taking the piss out of the country that has taken him in and protected him and continues to pay (a vast amount of) tax payers money to keep him.

Or is he something like a modern day messiah who should be revered for being an upstanding member of the community and an example to us all?

[Swoop]

It's all a misunderstanding... just like when he arrived in the country and it says "have passport ready" - HE thought it said "cut up your passport and flush it down the toilet".

A simple misunderstanding is all...

[crack]

I agree!!!!!!

We are so dumb to think it could be anything else.

:angry: :angry: :angry: :gob:

[Skyryder]

If it had not been for the Greens he would have been gone long ago. That party should stay with what they are good at, like saving the planet. When they get into real politics it all turns to custard.

Skyryder

[pete376403]

Pretty tenuous connection between Zouai and the "four activists" who burned the flag.
As I read it he happened to be in a peace march with a fairly large number of people, 4 of whom were stupid - to make their point they should have burned the US, or Aus flag if they wanted to show contempt for countries that are actually at war in Iraq.

[James Deuce]

It's all a misunderstanding... just like when he arrived in the country and it says "have passport ready" - HE thought it said "cut up your passport and flush it down the toilet".

A simple misunderstanding is all...

That's a legal requirement if you are entering as a refugee. I shit you not.

On another note:

NO MORE FUCKING AHMED ZAOUI THREADS.

IT HAS BEEN DONE TO DEATH.

[Hans]

That's a legal requirement if you are entering as a refugee. I shit you not.

On another note:

NO MORE FUCKING AHMED ZAOUI THREADS.

IT HAS BEEN DONE TO DEATH.


Unlike Mr. Zaoui. Unfortunately.

[oldrider]

If it had not been for the Greens he would have been gone long ago. That party should stay with what they are good at, like saving the planet. When they get into real politics it all turns to custard.

Skyryder

Compost the Greens, give them the justice that they deserve! :yes: John.

[Dafe]

Watch this space........

The AZ issue will be hotting up again over the coming fortnight.

[Skyryder]

Compost the Greens, give them the justice that they deserve! :yes: John.

I've never been a fan of the Greens but they have been advocating the dangers of 'global warming' for years. Both Labour and the Nats now accept this and are putting in policys as a result. Of course the question is 'is' global warming the result of man or is it another 'natural' occurance as has happened in the past? That's another issue not of this thread.

It's when the Greens start getting into humanitarian issues that they get it so wrong. If they stuck to hugging trees etc the A. Z. problem would not have occured. Which was the point of my post

Skyryder

[avgas]

Send him home - he is just pissing me off now.
He thinks he can come in here and say how hard done by he is. FUCK OFF!!!
Im sick of this place being the Nana State of the world.
We dont want your refugees - go live in a hole somewhere.
Nz immigration isnt that impossible to get through - how far do you think a refugee would have gone in ANY OTHER COUNTRY?

[Sniper]

7.62.............

[Dave Lobster]

7.62.............

Arbeit Macht Frei.

[Sniper]

Arbeit Macht Frei.

Gates of Auswitchz, "Work brings freedom"...... Very good

[ManDownUnder]

So we put everyone at Puke the other weekend on trial for manslaughter??? You were all there, involved in the activities that killed someone in a sidecar.

The actions of a few do not demonstrate intent or culpability of the masses...

uh huh... keep talking...

[ManDownUnder]

That's a legal requirement if you are entering as a refugee. I shit you not.

Details please? (Never been a refugee so I've never gone through the process)

[Lias]

Arbeit Macht Frei.

I like "Auslander Raus" better.. So much so I got it tattooed on my arm..

[Guitana]

Gates of Auswitchz, "Work brings freedom"...... Very good

Jeez you two are a worry!!!!

[Hans]

7.62.............

338lm or some such.

[Sniper]

338lm or some such.

Each to their own I guess. I find 7.62 more common, although my fav is still .300

[Hans]

We'll settle on 7.62x54R , eh?

[MacD]

That's a legal requirement if you are entering as a refugee. I shit you not.


I have seen this statement a number of times with regard to this case, but I cannot find any evidence of it being correct. I would really like to see where this is stated in legislation, regulation or guidelines regarding Refugee applications in NZ. This is a serious request, not a wind-up.

The NZ Immigration Operations Manual which is available online at:
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/nzis/operations_manual/index.htm
states that a refugee applicant must be in the country at the time of application, and may be in the country legally or illegally (as in obtaining entry by use of a false passport) (section C4.5). Section C3.25 even states that a passport may be used as a form of identity in a refugee application. Section C4.25 also states that the country has a general responsibility to accept people who claim refugee status on arrival in the country.

Therefore it appears that the issue of destroying your passport (fraudulent or otherwise) is simply a failsafe mechanism to prevent Immigration from deporting you if they do not accept your request for refugee status, which they are effectively required to do. Section C4.25c states that Immigration Officers must "not take any action to remove the claimant".

So, who's an immigration lawyer on the site?

[Indiana_Jones]

Zaoui is a cunt.

-Indy

[Sniper]

We'll settle on 7.62x54R , eh?

Ahh, the russian. meus amiculus

[James Deuce]

I have seen this statement a number of times with regard to this case, but I cannot find any evidence of it being correct. I would really like to see where this is stated in legislation, regulation or guidelines regarding Refugee applications in NZ. This is a serious request, not a wind-up.

The NZ Immigration Operations Manual which is available online at:
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/nzis/operations_manual/index.htm
states that a refugee applicant must be in the country at the time of application, and may be in the country legally or illegally (as in obtaining entry by use of a false passport) (section C4.5). Section C3.25 even states that a passport may be used as a form of identity in a refugee application. Section C4.25 also states that the country has a general responsibility to accept people who claim refugee status on arrival in the country.

Therefore it appears that the issue of destroying your passport (fraudulent or otherwise) is simply a failsafe mechanism to prevent Immigration from deporting you if they do not accept your request for refugee status, which they are effectively required to do. Section C4.25c states that Immigration Officers must "not take any action to remove the claimant".

So, who's an immigration lawyer on the site?

If you turn up with documentation your application for refugee status is immediately declined. It has nothing to do with the intent of the law and everything to do with the implementation of policy.

As you say it is a failsafe. I've only spoken to Customs lawyers (off the record) about this, but they do work closely with Immigration after all.

[MacD]

If you turn up with documentation your application for refugee status is immediately declined. It has nothing to do with the intent of the law and everything to do with the implementation of policy.

As you say it is a failsafe. I've only spoken to Customs lawyers (off the record) about this, but they do work closely with Immigration after all.

OK, but I bet it's not nearly as clearcut as it sounds. One reason to decline a refugee application is if it is determined that there is no real threat to your safety in your country of origin. As Zaoui was travelling on a (false) South African passport it would have been difficult for him to prove that there was a threat in South Africa.

To say it's a legal requirement is a stretch however, and one of the pieces of spin that is being applied to his case by a very successful PR campaign (IMHO).

[Nitzer]

I like "Auslander Raus" better.. So much so I got it tattooed on my arm..

does that apply to all immigrants or only for those who don't speak English as a first language?

[Lias]

does that apply to all immigrants or only for those who don't speak English as a first language?

Any who dont speak reasonably fluent english.
Any who dont adapt to our culture and way of life.
Any who dont want to obey our laws.
Any who dont want to work hard.

Etc.

[Teflon]

We need to be more brutal and execute these fuckers. Chop the cunts head off.. fuck Islam

[Jorja]

The thing I find amazing is we basically allow a large amount of people from poorer countries who have no skills to come and live here. I have no objection to helping people who actually WANT to better themselves.

On the other hand, if someone from another country wants to come and actually start up a business here, they are required to have 2 million dollars nz first.

Who should we be encouraging? Unskilled labour who don't speak english or business people who are educated?

[Swoop]

Who should we be encouraging? Unskilled labour who don't speak english or business people who are educated?
I wonder the same every time I look at our politicians.....