`Can I see your licence, please'

[xwhatsit]

Met my first police tonight! Coming home from work at about 9.30, pulled onto Manukau Rd (well, Broadway or whatever) from Remuera Rd. Feeling a bit hungry, and wanting to get home to eat my dinner in my shoulder bag, I didn't hang around when the car in front of me decided to do a steady 40kph. Looked over my shoulder, changed lanes, didn't indicate, carried on going.

Carried on going along Manukau Rd, largely going with the traffic, with occasional moments a little bit faster to move through (past trucks and diesel 4WDs and other nasty things). Turned left through Greenwoods Corner, which is signposted `SLOW' and all of that, and noticed that the car in front had taken it rather literally and ended up being quite close behind them. About 5 seconds after that, I heard the `WOOOP' and saw the blue and red lights.

Switched bike off, took off gloves and helmet, officer came over and said `do you know how fast you were going?'. Sorry I said, not really. He said, `Ah ok. You were going about 70kph sometimes, and even nearly made it to 80kph once'. `Oh.' I say. :sick: He also tells me he saw me change lanes without indicating a few times. This is true -- usually I look over my shoulder, then move without indicating. He said I was following way too close on a few occasions. Asks for my licence, says `Oh, learner licence'. `Yep,' I say, `I hope the L plate is still there?' It is, thank god.

Takes my licence away. I hear a printer and the sound of paper tearing. That must be my ticket, I think. He comes back, hands me my licence, asks if I know my licence conditions. I recite them, he says that's fine, gets in the car, and goes. No ticket! What a nice guy.

What did I learn? Well, for a start, it's hard to tell there's a police car behind you at night. Secondly, I need to keep an eye on my speed. I had no idea I was going that quick, and I'm being serious here. Nearly 80kph? Christ. Following distance is something to keep an eye on too. I knew the guy was going slow around the corner, I thought if I came around at normal speed then sat in behind him he would speed up. A bit rude for a start, but also not very legal. Still room to stop if he slammed on his brakes, I'm pretty sure, but that's no excuse.

I also learned that there's at least one friendly traffic cop out there. He didn't try to lecture me about being evil or whatever for going quickly and riding a bike. He just gave me advice on what I was doing wrong, was very polite and easy going. I suppose not giving him attitude or trying to give excuses helped me a lot there.

So no ticket, thank goodness, can't really afford one lol. Not really sure how the system works, but I assume there's a warning noted on my licence somewhere on the computers, so if I get pulled over again for doing the same thing they won't be so lenient next time?

Anyway, cheers to those two policemen, I'm glad the things I've heard about you appear to be greatly exaggerated, at least in these two individuals. I actually will try my best to address the things they asked me to do. Cheers, guys!

[Steam]

Jeez, 10kph more and it's instant loss of license. Sounds like he loves bikes cos 80 in a 50 zone is pretty damn excessive.

[xwhatsit]

Jeez, 10kph more and it's instant loss of license. Sounds like he loves bikes cos 80 in a 50 zone is pretty damn excessive.

Damn straight. Yeah I got pretty scared when he said I nearly hit 80kph -- I had no idea I was going that quick. I knew I was going more than 60kph at some points, but 80kph is very excessive, I'm with you there.

[Littleman]

What you didn't see was his twitchy hand covering off the taser behind his back and the women being raped on his bonnet. Letting you off was just a way to bribe you as a potential prosecution witness.

Nice guys, come on, how naieve.

[Deviant Esq]

Indy knows well what happens to bikers that go more than 40km/h over the limit in a 50 zone... and we all know how silly speeding is in a 50. You weren't doing anything silly though, and learned your lesson. Hell, it's easy for the speed to creep up a bit around town if you aren't careful.

You were very lucky to get away with that! Could have easily been a hefty fine if the Policeman was having a bad day (failing to indicate $150 (?), breaking licence condition (exceeding 70km/h) $400... plus the speeding ticket), so that is one big letoff. Lucky you were wearing your L plate, maybe that's why he took sympathy on you?

[vamr]

What you didn't see was his twitchy hand covering off the taser behind his back and the women being raped on his bonnet. Letting you off was just a way to bribe you as a potential prosecution witness.

Nice guys, come on, how naieve.

Hahaha... bravo.

[Ixion]

Most traffic round there ru ns at 60 to 70. if Mr X was just keeping with the flow, there was nothing about his speed to mark him out.

I'd guess the cop saw the L plate , and the following close bit, and decided to run an attitude check. That's why he had him recite the licence conditions. Mr X passed. A cocky know-it-all attitude - might have been a different story.

Good cop. Not for letting him off a ticket, but for caring. Old school, I reckon.

[xwhatsit]

Most traffic round there ru ns at 60 to 70. if Mr X was just keeping with the flow, there was nothing about his speed to mark him out.

I'd guess the cop saw the L plate , and the following close bit, and decided to run an attitude check. That's why he had him recite the licence conditions. Mr X passed. A cocky know-it-all attitude - might have been a different story.

Good cop. Not for letting him off a ticket, but for caring. Old school, I reckon.

Think you might be right there. I wasn't passing traffic at crazy closing speeds, was just sort of rolling past them, and the traffic does feel faster on that road than elsewhere. I must look at my speedo more often. Being lazy.

Attitude probably had a huge part in it. I was feeling pretty embarrassed, I don't like to look like a dick and look like I'm carrying on like a hoon, so I was pretty meek and polite with him. I guess I was just lapsing into the mode I have at the restaurant, `sorry sir we gave away your table, I know the traffic was bad, would you prefer this table here? Would you like a glass of wine on the house? My apologies'. I did wonder about being asked the licence conditions, I suppose it was an attitude check. Rather glad I was wearing my L plate, and wasn't riding after 10pm -- if I have to come home from work after 10pm I pull it off. Can't wait until restricted (very soon) so I can apply for an exemption and actually get it. Will this incident make them less likely to give me an exemption?

[Ixion]

Doubt it. Warnings aren't recorded any more, and there was no official action. He just checked out a novice rider, there are still cops who don't want to see youngsters splattered across the road.He figured that advice would be more useful than a bollocking.

The after hours exemption is pretty easy to get.

[xwhatsit]

Doubt it. Warnings aren't recorded any more, and there was no official action. He just checked out a novice rider, there are still cops who don't want to see youngsters splattered across the road.He figured that advice would be more useful than a bollocking.

The after hours exemption is pretty easy to get.

Oh really. I thought it went on some sort of record. Must've been the old system.

Copper was only a young guy. Sort of Maori/part-Maori looking, if you happen to be stopped.

I think if I'd been treated to a bollocking, as you put it, that would've left quite a different impression, and perhaps some resentment. As it is, they certainly won my respect, despite what some of the people on this forum seem to preach.

Yep, one of the first things I asked on this forum was about the hours exemption, but never got around to it before I blew up my engine (as I'd heard it was difficult to get on a Leaner's licence, especially early on), and then now it's rebuilt, I've nearly got my Restricted licence, so I'm better off waiting for that.

*Sigh*. I'm not suited to a life as a criminal on the run :lol: Think of me as Barry from Auf Wiedersehen Pet :D

[Motu]

Definatly the attitude - I've known a few bad arse bikers who looked like they should have an attitude problem,but when spoken to came across as polite,quietly spoken and well educated....which they were.I wouldn't go so far as to say they got away with murder....but they got away with what would put more arogant types into jail.

[Ixion]

He'll probably have noted the stop in his notebook (or whatever they use now). But there's no system now for the LTSA to record warnings. So nothing to reference against your name in the future. Attitude is what determines advice or bollocking . No point giving advice to someone who's not going to take any notice of it.

I always did a very nice line in grovel and "thank you officer". It's stood me in good stead more than once.

[Macktheknife]

Great result all round I think, you didn't get a ticket but you got a strong reminder of your riding habits, a good lesson and an improved impression of the cops. Who despite all rumours to the contrary, are not all bastards.
Well done.

[xwhatsit]

He'll probably have noted the stop in his notebook (or whatever they use now). But there's no system now for the LTSA to record warnings. So nothing to reference against your name in the future. Attitude is what determines advice or bollocking . No point giving advice to someone who's not going to take any notice of it.

I always did a very nice line in grovel and "thank you officer". It's stood me in good stead more than once.

Well, yeah. I work in a restaurant in Remuera; sometimes people come in, they want a table, but we're fully booked. Sometimes I'll try to shift things around and juggle things so I can squeeze them in (a pain in the arse, and perhaps the customer who booked had that particular window seat in mind when they booked early). But if the customer acts like an arrogant dick and treats me like dirt just because they've got money and a nice suit, then I'm sorry but I can't help them.

Is policing a service industry? :innocent:

[Lorax]

Yep, one of the first things I asked on this forum was about the hours exemption, but never got around to it before I blew up my engine (as I'd heard it was difficult to get on a Leaner's licence, especially early on), and then now it's rebuilt, I've nearly got my Restricted licence, so I'm better off waiting for that.



My exemption to ride till midnight home from work will only finish when I get my full licence (currently on learners, so it continues on through to the restricted licence, as the hour restrictions are the same).

And yeah, some cops rule. Was the sober driver for my (smoked out) mates one night, had 7 beers over 5 hours, had been following this ALAC guideline card thingey. Chillin at top of Mt Wellington (freacken amaaaaaazing view at night) on the North Shore, 4am sat night, a cop rock up. Pipe disappears quick smack. Shit.

Usual chit chat, then "Have you been drinking tonight?"

"Yup"

Told him straight all about the card, that I'd had 7 beers, and blow me down if this cop didn't tell me to just take it easy, and that he didnt' want to catch me later on that morning over the limit. Jeeeez. I'm a big guy though so was confident of being under the limit. Although by confident, I mean I was shitting my pants, but should be under the limit.

Most cops are great I've found. High Five!

[Grub]

What you didn't see was his twitchy hand covering off the taser behind his back and the women being raped on his bonnet. Letting you off was just a way to bribe you as a potential prosecution witness. Nice guys, come on, how naieve.

That's totally out of order! What fucking right have you got to state shit like that when a KBer is telling a tale of good cops who are looking after bikers and getting a positive result.

Fuck you, you don't deserve to be treated with any respect by either us or 'them'. You certainly have a closed mind and no respect for anyone or anything.

[xwhatsit]

That's totally out of order! What fucking right have you got to state shit like that when a KBer is telling a tale of good cops who are looking after bikers and getting a positive result.

Fuck you, you don't deserve to be treated with any respect by either us or 'them'. You certainly have a closed mind and no respect for anyone or anything.

Lol I think he was joking. Unless you are too? Argh, midterm tests completely destroy my sense of sarcasm :mellow:

[Ixion]

Chill dude. I think it's called irony.

[Lorax]

That's totally out of order! What fucking right have you got to state shit like that when a KBer is telling a tale of good cops who are looking after bikers and getting a positive result.

Fuck you, you don't deserve to be treated with any respect by either us or 'them'. You certainly have a closed mind and no respect for anyone or anything.

I did have that initial reaction. But I chilled out. Swearing at people here is harsh.

[Grub]

Yup, that's true ... you'll not find that reaction (or language) from me anywhere else but in response to that mindless offensive contribution

[xwhatsit]

Yup, that's true ... you'll not find that reaction (or language) from me anywhere else but in response to that mindless offensive contribution

Here, have some Norah Jones :cool:

[spudchucka]

Oh really. I thought it went on some sort of record.

It'll be in the cops notebook and there will be an electronic log of your vehicle being stopped at that time.

[spudchucka]

He'll probably have noted the stop in his notebook (or whatever they use now). But there's no system now for the LTSA to record warnings. So nothing to reference against your name in the future.

The computer system the police run these days allows for warnings to be recorded, in fact any contact with a motorist can be recorded as an intelligence noting. Strangely enough things like the drivers attitude, particularly if it is bad, are often recorded.

[spudchucka]

Is policing a service industry? :innocent:

A very large component of it is, but you seldom hear anything about that side of it.

[SixPackBack]

The computer system the police run these days allows for warnings to be recorded, in fact any contact with a motorist can be recorded as an intelligence noting. Strangely enough things like the drivers attitude, particularly if it is bad, are often recorded.

The pigs attitude should be recorded as well.

[peasea]

"a good lesson and an improved impression of the cops"

The country could do with more cops like that to 'improve impressions', that wee tale is one of positive policing rather than blatant revenue gathering. Sure, a ticket would have been justified (80 in a fifty, tut tut) but here we have a cop exercising disrection; a rare thing in these modern times. I too have had moments where I kept my cool, kept my tongue in my head and managed to slither away with either no ticket or a lesser offence. Attitude does help sometimes, but not often, you're one lucky punter. I'll wager he was 'Police' and not 'Highway Patrol'. The 'real' Police are usually smarter and more focussed on real issues. Go buy a Lotto ticket.

[spudchucka]

The pigs attitude should be recorded as well.

Fishing again?

[Grahameeboy]

"a good lesson and an improved impression of the cops"

The country could do with more cops like that to 'improve impressions', that wee tale is one of positive policing rather than blatant revenue gathering. Sure, a ticket would have been justified (80 in a fifty, tut tut) but here we have a cop exercising disrection; a rare thing in these modern times. I too have had moments where I kept my cool, kept my tongue in my head and managed to slither away with either no ticket or a lesser offence. Attitude does help sometimes, but not often, you're one lucky punter. I'll wager he was 'Police' and not 'Highway Patrol'. The 'real' Police are usually smarter and more focussed on real issues. Go buy a Lotto ticket.

Agree...I got pulled up last week in of all places Devonport. Claimed I must have been doing well over 70k as he said he had to do more than 100k to catch me up...now with a digital speedo it is more readable and I know I did not go over 70k (still over the limit) as I had been following cars at various points and had to slow when they turned off.........however, he just said that drivers in the area were crap and that was it.....okay he didn't have a reading but still respect

[The_Dover]

How you think this pig made a good decision is beyond me.

IF you had been on an open road in an unpopulated area with no other traffic around then maybe, but speeding like a twat in town is irresponsible and deserves a fucking ticket.

Especially when you admit to not even knowing what speed you were doing.

All the righteous cunts on here harp on about time and place, do you think this was the time and place for

A) riding in that manner?
B) a thick plod using "discretion"?

I can't see anyone else getting discretion for 160 in a 100 zone, even if it was the dead of night, on the desert rd, without any other cunt for miles.

[Grahameeboy]

How you think this pig made a good decision is beyond me.

IF you had been on an open road in an unpopulated area with no other traffic around then maybe, but speeding like a twat in town is irresponsible and deserves a fucking ticket.

Especially when you admit to not even knowing what speed you were doing.

All the righteous cunts on here harp on about time and place, do you think this was the time and place for

A) riding in that manner?
B) a thick plod using "discretion"?

I can't see anyone else getting discretion for 160 in a 100 zone, even if it was the dead of night, on the desert rd, without any other cunt for miles.

The black poo getting to ya then..........

[The_Dover]

The black poo getting to ya then..........

Not in the slightest. It's actually yellow and lumpy. Kinda like cottage cheese with a teaspoon of cumin mixed thru it.

I am loving it, she's great.

I just think that tales of discretion and police initiative should be relevant to an intelligent assesment of the danger posed by the offence.

I see too many fuckknuckles speeding through town, built up areas, even country villages when out on open road rides. I strongly disagree with that and I often get left behind (more than usual) when passing through urban areas because, despite popular belief, I have a bit of respect for the people who live in these areas.

Highways and rural areas are a different kettle of fish but I would still not expect discretion for a hundred and sixty percenter.

[Grahameeboy]

Not in the slightest. It's actually yellow and lumpy. Kinda like cottage cheese with a teaspoon of cumin mixed thru it.

I am loving it, she's great.



Great to hear Ben..................

[Patrick]

I can't see anyone else getting discretion for 160 in a 100 zone, even if it was the dead of night, on the desert rd, without any other cunt for miles.

Thats because your head is up your arse...

He will know who he is... the biker I warned for 167 on the Desert Rd, the dead of morning (8ish), with no Dovers around....

[MikeL]

Congratulations for not getting a ticket, but your experience just underlines the capricious nature of enforcement. I got a ticket some time ago in exactly the same place. Rounding Greenwoods Corner and heading downhill towards Royal Oak there is a natural tendency for speed to increase temporarily, and outside rush hours it would be hard to find many vehicles doing less than 60 along this stretch. The road is broad with no obvious hazards until you get to the pedestrian crossing by the school and then the entrance to the shopping mall where you need to slow right down. And at 10 pm when I was stopped the traffic is sparse. My attempt at explanation/mitigation was cut short by a curt "I'm going to give you a ticket for exceeding 50 km/h" and I ended up with 20 points on my licence as well as the fine for doing I think 67 or 68 km/h. Why were you lucky and I wasn't?
Why did you get off with a warning even though you were going a lot faster and were following too close? Was it because you're on a learner's licence and I've had mine for 37 years? Was it because the cop thought I could afford the fine but you couldn't? Or was it just that one was having a good day and the other wasn't?? We know it can't be because of any quota...
It's a game of chance, a lottery that has nothing to do with natural justice and very little to do with road safety.
If inconsistency is inherent in a system that allows some discretion, perhaps the discretion needs to be removed entirely. It is illogical to maintain that exceeding the speed limit is always wrong regardless of the circumstances and then to allow discretion in the issuing of the tickets. On what is that discretion based if not the circumstances?

[spudchucka]

On what is that discretion based if not the circumstances?

A cops experience and their gut feeling, neither of which can be measured or taught.

[xwhatsit]

Congratulations for not getting a ticket, but your experience just underlines the capricious nature of enforcement. I got a ticket some time ago in exactly the same place. Rounding Greenwoods Corner and heading downhill towards Royal Oak there is a natural tendency for speed to increase temporarily, and outside rush hours it would be hard to find many vehicles doing less than 60 along this stretch. The road is broad with no obvious hazards until you get to the pedestrian crossing by the school and then the entrance to the shopping mall where you need to slow right down. And at 10 pm when I was stopped the traffic is sparse. My attempt at explanation/mitigation was cut short by a curt "I'm going to give you a ticket for exceeding 50 km/h" and I ended up with 20 points on my licence as well as the fine for doing I think 67 or 68 km/h. Why were you lucky and I wasn't?
Why did you get off with a warning even though you were going a lot faster and were following too close? Was it because you're on a learner's licence and I've had mine for 37 years? Was it because the cop thought I could afford the fine but you couldn't? Or was it just that one was having a good day and the other wasn't?? We know it can't be because of any quota...
It's a game of chance, a lottery that has nothing to do with natural justice and very little to do with road safety.
If inconsistency is inherent in a system that allows some discretion, perhaps the discretion needs to be removed entirely. It is illogical to maintain that exceeding the speed limit is always wrong regardless of the circumstances and then to allow discretion in the issuing of the tickets. On what is that discretion based if not the circumstances?

Well, I'm not a psychology major, but I did a couple of introductory psych courses in my first year at uni. One unit was on learning and conditioning, like the classic Pavlov's dog thing. If you always reinforce a particular behaviour, such as always giving a ticket every time you step over a certain speed, that makes a pretty strong learning condition. You're sure that if you speed, you will get a ticket. However, oddly enough, a much stronger learning condition is made if that behaviour is reinforced more sporadically. This is because when you do speed, and you get away with it, in the first instance you're likely to think the system for reinforcement has completely fallen down. On the other hand, with sporadic reinforcement, you're likely to see this `getting away with it' as just part of a pattern., so the fear of getting ticketed still remains.

Why did I get away with it? I don't know. Perhaps because I didn't attempt explanation or mitigation. It being the first time I've ever been stopped by a cop, too, and having any form of driver's licence for less than 6 months. I think road safety does play a small part. If I'd been ear-bashed with some huge lecture and had the book thrown at me, that would've earned nothing but resentment and anger (look at poor Dover). I don't think that would necessarily improve my riding much. Instead, I'm going to say I was very bloody lucky, and try not to tempt my luck again. Did the cop who ticketed you produce a similar response?

[Macktheknife]

That's totally out of order! What fucking right have you got to state shit like that when a KBer is telling a tale of good cops who are looking after bikers and getting a positive result.

Fuck you, you don't deserve to be treated with any respect by either us or 'them'. You certainly have a closed mind and no respect for anyone or anything.
Grub, calm the hell down mate.
He was joking, but even if he hadn't been, outbursts like yours are unreasonable. No need to resort to personal attacks.
Suffice it to say, I know this guy and he is a top bloke, you have misjudged him and his comments.

[terbang]

If you speed then don't grizzle if you get a fine, thats one of the risks you take when speeding (along with your life). If you speed and don't know you are, then back to riding school for you and you also deserve a ticket. However that is not what this thread is about, it is about cops using discretion and using the old fashioned 'boot up the arse warning' when appropriate in lieu of ticketing. I think the outcome of Xersda..phat's experience was positive to his development as a road or highway rider, full marks to the cop as he has done his job well by making a good judgement call with an alternative therapy. In other circumstances (ranting and raving) it may well just be more effective to write out a ticket. Dover, through his inveiled disdain for cops, has some good points. Speeding in a city or urban area in certain periods is a highly dangerous practise and should attract the toughest of penalties where speeding down the desert road at midnight with no traffic around is not much of a menace to society. I am sure that most cops are easily capable of handling each case with appropriate discretion and do so. However it all boils down to the law is the law and if we don't like it then we (voters) have the ability to change it, rather than flout it.

[SixPackBack]

Fishing again?


Not at all. The pigs attitude is sometimes worse than the offenders.

But then I guess you are superior beings :sick:

[Beemer]

You're lucky and no doubt about it. Most of us, despite having a good attitude when pulled up, would not be so lucky.

However, nowhere did you say you learned you should indicate and that is one thing I get really pissed off with - people who don't indicate. No one seems to have pulled you up on that and I think they should. There are so many threads on here about inconsiderate car drivers who didn't indicate and nearly killed bikers and yet here is a motorcyclist saying that he repeatedly did this - and was speeding as well!

I have no problem with cops using their discretion, I've been on the receiving end of it myself, but you were doing three potentially dangerous things - speeding, not indicating, and following too close. If you travel this road regularly and didn't realise what speed you were doing that night, then you need to be more observant as it's likely you do this all the time. Didn't the fact you kept coming up behind other vehicles who were going slower alert you? As for not indicating, no excuse there, particularly when there is other traffic around.

You were lucky, but I think you need to take a closer look at your actions and realise you need to change the way you ride or the next thread will no doubt be along the lines of "fucking pig gave me a ticket for doing 80 in a 50kph zone, not indicating and following too close".

[The Stranger]

What did I learn? Well, for a start, it's hard to tell there's a police car behind you at night. Secondly, I need to keep an eye on my speed. I had no idea I was going that quick, and I'm being serious here. Nearly 80kph? Christ. Following distance is something to keep an eye on too. I knew the guy was going slow around the corner, I thought if I came around at normal speed then sat in behind him he would speed up. A bit rude for a start, but also not very legal. Still room to stop if he slammed on his brakes, I'm pretty sure, but that's no excuse.



You may want to add indicating to your list too.
Bike mirrors are shit, and although you head check you could still miss seeing a vehicle. Indicate for the vehicles you don't see, not just for the ones you do.

Also, particularly at night it is hard for cage drivers to see a bike. A flashing light is much more visible and alerts them that the headlight they see is actually a motorbike and not part of the car behind you.

[peasea]

You may want to add indicating to your list too.
Bike mirrors are shit, and although you head check you could still miss seeing a vehicle. Indicate for the vehicles you don't see, not just for the ones you do.

Also, particularly at night it is hard for cage drivers to see a bike. A flashing light is much more visible and alerts them that the headlight is they see is actually a motorbike and not part of the car behind you.


Quite right, a wee flick of the thumb could save you some cash from a ticket or even save your arse. Lack of indication in town, in my experience, causes more aggro than speeding does on country roads. It's something the cops need to have a look at, especially at intersections/roundabouts. Pinging the cruisers on country roads is far easier though, and qutoas are now part of their 'performance' requirements. It's human nature to take the easy option.
(Why do I have a vision of Arkwrights carnivorous cash register in my head?)

[xwhatsit]

Indicators too, yeah I forgot to mention that. Of course I always use them at intersections, but you're right, using them when doing lane changes is wise too.

All a pretty big reality check on my riding. Riding mostly at night means you can get away with riding silly for longer, I guess.

Do I ride like a hoon? A couple of people on here have seen me ride. I always get pissed at the GSXR riders who scream off from the traffic lights, riding like twats outside my work, perhaps I'm being hypocritical?

[Deviant Esq]

I'm betting you don't ride like a hoon (difficult to on a CB250! :dodge:), but people will have their say. People failing to indicate is a pet peeve of mine as well, but as you've pointed out pretty well (without other people harping on at you) that you've had a bit of a wake up call. Lucky you didn't have to pay a hefty government donation to get that wake up call. Good thread despite what comes out of the woodwork. :niceone:

[xwhatsit]

Cheers, Deviant. I'll be an indicator nazi from now on :D

Yep I'd appreciate it if this didn't turn into a cop bashing thread. Do send me some advice on not riding like a dick, though.

[Deviant Esq]

Cheers, Deviant. I'll be an indicator nazi from now on :D

Yep I'd appreciate it if this didn't turn into a cop bashing thread. Do send me some advice on not riding like a dick, though.
Deviant to xerxesdaphat (wtf does that mean anyway? :lol:): Don't ride like a penis. Chur. :bleh:

Nah, easy enough. Just have a think about what you hate most that other road users do, and see what other KBers moan about... and you'll know what not to do. You come across as having a sensible head on your shoulders anyway, so I'm sure you won't have any problems. Dover's right though, time and place matters a lot. I love having fun on my bike as much as the next guy, but I keep to the limits in town and make sure I indicate 3 seconds before I want to move, as well as not making movements too sudden for poor old cager's eyes to keep up with. Experience teaches it best :)

[KLOWN]

I think this my be a case of youwho have not sinned cast the first stone. I'm sure all the people who have posted have done something wrong in thier driving. I have done many illegal things. You were very lucky to get off your ticket. Good stuff for you!

To all the people who say yay to the cop for discretion. I say phooey. If this had been a car who was tailgating speeding and not indicating you would want him locked up and there would be a thousand posts about stupid cages. This was NOT a good example of discretion. But as others have said it IS purely chance wheather you get a ticket or not. I have been let off with a warning for doing 110 in a fifty. I have got a ticket for 61 in a 50 at 2am with just me and the cop on the road. I have had a $1200 fine for something I didn't do but the cop made up the ticket cause he was pisssed at me. I have been let off 180 in 100. I got a $600 dollar fine for accelerating too quickly. I was nice (polite/friendly) to all the cops on all occasions. Don't matter what you do or say its up to the cop. Maybe it matters if your being a dick, but you do the crime you do the time (cheezy but true)

[Ixion]

.. And at 10 pm when I was stopped the traffic is sparse. ....
Why did you get off with a warning even though you were going a lot faster and were following too close? Was it because you're on a learner's licence and I've had mine for 37 years? ... On what is that discretion based if not the circumstances?

Perhaps because yours was 10pm at night and traffic was sparse. This is a bit of an Auckland thing, you need to know what that area is like. When the Persian gentleman buzzed down it, most of the traffic would either have been doing about the speed he was , or going a LOT slower, pulling into parking lots etc (which was the stuff he was overtaking).

Had he not had that L plate up, it's unlikely the cop would have singled him out from all the other traffic (if the cop were to stop everybody speeding around him, he'd have gotten writer's cramp). 10pm , not much traffic, you stood out.

I suspect he was a real (GD) cop, not a scorpion (HP). He saw the L plate , saw some riding that wasn't out of line with the other traffic but WAS worth having a word about; to see if the rider was just a sensible lad going with the flow - or, a over confident punk waiting to be smeared. The former being the case he saw no need to take any enforcement action .

And maybe cos cops are human and some are "nicer" than others. And sometimes they are in a shitty mood cos the missus won't put out, and the sarge has bawled them out. Or, vice versa, as the case may be.

[xwhatsit]

...Persian gentleman...
At LAST! Not that I am Persian.


I suspect he was a real (GD) cop, not a scorpion (HP).
Pretty likely, I think. The HP have those gloriously ugly paint jobs, don't they? I think this was an ordinary car.

I think riding while hungry is up there with riding when you need to pee :D

[Smorg]

I always get pissed at the GSXR riders who scream off from the traffic lights, riding like twats outside my work, perhaps I'm being hypocritical?

Na Your just being a jelly dude ow!

[avgas]

He'll probably have noted the stop in his notebook
Did he get your number - he might want to rape you later

fact of the matter was why wait 5 mins to pull you over for speeding? they were following you. Its like gambling - if you wait long enough, they will do something even more stupid.

[Hotchefnz]

Hmmmmmmmmmm wait seven days and see if anything comes through the post - have fallen for the nice guy cop before only to have a surprise arrive in the post.
Hope I'm wrong.

[xwhatsit]

Hmmmmmmmmmm wait seven days and see if anything comes through the post - have fallen for the nice guy cop before only to have a surprise arrive in the post.
Hope I'm wrong.

Oh shit is that right? Lol not what I wanted to hear. Oh well, sure it's all for the best.

[caesius]

Hmmmmmmmmmm wait seven days and see if anything comes through the post - have fallen for the nice guy cop before only to have a surprise arrive in the post.
Hope I'm wrong.

The same (sort of) thing happened to me on my last speeding fine, the cop was a great guy, saying he'd write my speed down as 125 so the fine was less. Nothing else mentioned. We said our goodbyes BUT 7 days later the fine comes in for speeding AND no L-plate ($400)!

[desmo dave]

What you didn't see was his twitchy hand covering off the taser behind his back and the women being raped on his bonnet. Letting you off was just a way to bribe you as a potential prosecution witness.

Nice guys, come on, how naieve.Thats a goodie:rockon:

[SPman]

A cops experience and their gut feeling, neither of which can be measured or taught.
I used a similar technique as a Building Inspector and it rarely let me down.

Unfortunately, because it can't be measured, quantified and set down as a narrowly defined concrete rule or regulation which can be shaped and controlled, authorities don't like it!
Also - those who feel they are hard done by, normally because they deserve to be, squeal like stuck pigs because of "bias", so that it makes you wonder sometimes, if it is all worth it!

[mazz1972]

xer...you are one lucky bugger not getting a ticket (are you sure it's not coming in the mail?).

Have to agree with previous comments regarding indicators - definately important when changing lanes - if someone else also changes lanes without indicating the consquences could be very nasty.

[spudchucka]

I used a similar technique as a Building Inspector and it rarely let me down.

Unfortunately, because it can't be measured, quantified and set down as a narrowly defined concrete rule or regulation which can be shaped and controlled, authorities don't like it!
Also - those who feel they are hard done by, normally because they deserve to be, squeal like stuck pigs because of "bias", so that it makes you wonder sometimes, if it is all worth it!

Very true.

[Scouse]

Congratulations for not getting a ticket, but your experience just underlines the capricious nature of enforcement. I got a ticket some time ago in exactly the same place. Rounding Greenwoods Corner and heading downhill towards Royal Oak there is a natural tendency for speed to increase temporarily, and outside rush hours it would be hard to find many vehicles doing less than 60 along this stretch. The road is broad with no obvious hazards until you get to the pedestrian crossing by the school and then the entrance to the shopping mall where you need to slow right down. And at 10 pm when I was stopped the traffic is sparse. My attempt at explanation/mitigation was cut short by a curt "I'm going to give you a ticket for exceeding 50 km/h" and I ended up with 20 points on my licence as well as the fine for doing I think 67 or 68 km/h.
Why did you get off with a warning even though you were going a lot faster and were following too close? Was it because you're on a learner's licence and I've had mine for 37 years? Was it because the cop thought I could afford the fine but you couldn't? Or was it just that one was having a good day and the other wasn't?? ?Why were you lucky and I wasn't?Prolly cause your a whiney winjer

[scumdog]

How you think this pig made a good decision is beyond me.

IF you had been on an open road in an unpopulated area with no other traffic around then maybe, but speeding like a twat in town is irresponsible and deserves a fucking ticket.

Especially when you admit to not even knowing what speed you were doing.

All the righteous cunts on here harp on about time and place, do you think this was the time and place for

A) riding in that manner?
B) a thick plod using "discretion"?

I can't see anyone else getting discretion for 160 in a 100 zone, even if it was the dead of night, on the desert rd, without any other cunt for miles.

SPBs fishing mate? or dopelganger?

Whatever, it's all starting to wear a bit thin, ya need to try another act or you'll lose ALL the audience.:yes:

[scumdog]

And then some people are just plain old ticket-magnets, poor buggers, - others around them get off scot-free and they get a ticket every time!(must do a thesis on the reasons why).

[Mom]

You're lucky and no doubt about it. However, nowhere did you say you learned you should indicate and that is one thing I get really pissed off with - people who don't indicate.

It is always hard to come into a discussion at the end of the day when about all as been said, but I am with you all the way here with indicating. It is something that we should all think or re-think about. I have been riding bikes on and off for 30 odd years and consider myself very aware of them as I drive my car. I very nearly cleaned up a young man on a bike the other day. I turned out of the shops behind him, he indicated a right turn, and pulled to the r/h side of the lane, as I moved to the left to go around him he suddenly chopped down a cog and turned left accross my path with no warning!!!!! Imagine if I had collected him, I would have been the bad guy all the way. So as a good friend of mine is known to shout out in these situations "Indicate please driver" (insert rider here if you wish)

[The_Dover]

SPBs fishing mate? or dopelganger?

Whatever, it's all starting to wear a bit thin, ya need to try another act or you'll lose ALL the audience.:yes:

Well, we did once get a speeding ticket together.

As long as I keep the attention of a certain ageing, alcoholic redneck cop I'll be happy.:third:

[scumdog]

Well, we did once get a speeding ticket together.

As long as I keep the attention of a certain ageing, alcoholic redneck cop I'll be happy.:third:

Nise to see a man so easily pleased!! ( as Sal of Silverdale will tell you)

[Toaster]

Good cop. Not for letting him off a ticket, but for caring. Old school, I reckon.

Sensible policing - time, place, circumstances. Simple.


... and yes Dover, I am being righteous brother, sing with the choir now.....

[The_Dover]

Sensible policing - time, place, circumstances. Simple.


... and yes Dover, I am being righteous brother, sing with the choir now.....

Note from Joni - due to the excessive size of this image i have had to remove it - it has caused a lot of hassles for people who are on dial up.

Note from King_Dover - due to your tight wallet or the fact you live in the sticks in a third world country, please go to options and turn off images if your connecction is that shit. Peasants.

[avgas]

Quick Ma' 'dere backs again......get da shoota!

[Lucy]

Why did I get away with it? I don't know. Perhaps because I didn't attempt explanation or mitigation. It being the first time I've ever been stopped by a cop, too, and having any form of driver's licence for less than 6 months. I think road safety does play a small part. If I'd been ear-bashed with some huge lecture and had the book thrown

Well you may have resented it if you got a ticket, and in this case you may have learnt a lot, (the universe gives us what we need, apparently) but I think it's terrible that after having a licence for less than six months you ride around with no idea how fast you are going, and change lanes and overtake without indicating. Cars do that and we bikers complain, cyclists do it and we complain. Do unto others......

Also, I was refused an exemption for after hours riding, they arent THAT easy to get.

[xwhatsit]

Well you may have resented it if you got a ticket, and in this case you may have learnt a lot, (the universe gives us what we need, apparently) but I think it's terrible that after having a licence for less than six months you ride around with no idea how fast you are going, and change lanes and overtake without indicating. Cars do that and we bikers complain, cyclists do it and we complain. Do unto others......

Also, I was refused an exemption for after hours riding, they arent THAT easy to get.

Going to do RRRS in the near future.

Yep... that's why I'm waiting until Restricted before I apply. Plus, my reason for after hours is genuinely for work -- was that the same in your case? Plan on getting letter from my boss, might say too that I've done RRRS (which I will have done by the time I apply). Can't hurt.

[MikeL]

Prolly cause your a whiney winjer

Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion. You show remarkable insight, and a rare appreciation of both the subtlety of my argument and the circumstances under which it was composed. A small correction to your spelling, though: surely you meant to write "winey whinger" ?

[scumdog]

Ah!
I spotted Dover in the pic on post #66 - I'd recognise that fat black chick with frizzy hair and a white right palm anywhere!!!

(Is the gold earing a recent addition?)

[Lucy]

Going to do RRRS in the near future.

Yep... that's why I'm waiting until Restricted before I apply. Plus, my reason for after hours is genuinely for work -- was that the same in your case? Plan on getting letter from my boss, might say too that I've done RRRS (which I will have done by the time I apply). Can't hurt.


Yep I had a letter from my company, and a copy of my rosters. They said because I had a class 1 (car) licence I could use that to drive to work. Which is true. I guess if I didnt have a car I would have mentioned that,and it might have helped. You might be ok seeing as you dont have a car licence.

It annoys me because if I had the time (or patience) I could quite happily ride a 50cc scooter home and be perfectly legal, but I cant ride my bike.

[xwhatsit]

Yep I had a letter from my company, and a copy of my rosters. They said because I had a class 1 (car) licence I could use that to drive to work. Which is true. I guess if I didnt have a car I would have mentioned that,and it might have helped. You might be ok seeing as you dont have a car licence.

It annoys me because if I had the time (or patience) I could quite happily ride a 50cc scooter home and be perfectly legal, but I cant ride my bike.

Oh ok, that's interesting. Never thought that might be an issue. One benefit of only having 6L, I suppose.

Perfectly logical response though, I suppose.

[peasea]

How you think this pig made a good decision is beyond me.

IF you had been on an open road in an unpopulated area with no other traffic around then maybe, but speeding like a twat in town is irresponsible and deserves a fucking ticket.

Especially when you admit to not even knowing what speed you were doing.

All the righteous cunts on here harp on about time and place, do you think this was the time and place for

A) riding in that manner?
B) a thick plod using "discretion"?

I can't see anyone else getting discretion for 160 in a 100 zone, even if it was the dead of night, on the desert rd, without any other cunt for miles.


Oh dear, the therapist must be running late.
....and go wash your mouth out, this is a family show.

[The_Dover]

Oh dear, the therapist must be running late.
....and go wash your mouth out, this is a family show.

fuck off poosea.

you must be one of those suit wearing fags on a charley fergusson.

"ooh the language is a tad ripe round here"

"ooh can't we focus on the motorcycles"

get a proper bike you chutney ferret.

[peasea]

fuck off poosea.

you must be one of those suit wearing fags on a charley fergusson.

"ooh the language is a tad ripe round here"

"ooh can't we focus on the motorcycles"

get a proper bike you chutney ferret.

Don't own a suit.

Heterosexual and loving it, got a bit this arvo actually. (Ever had sex with someone else? It's all the rage you know.)

Yup, love my tractor. Not fast but its reliable, a bit like yourself.

Just thought your vocabulary was lacking.

Cranking your knob as hard as you do I'm surprised you can focus on anything.

Again, I like the bike I have, it's real enough, it takes me places I want to go and doesn't owe me a hell of a lot.

...and about your spelling.....see me after school, behind the bike shed. I'd say "bring some fags" but you'd misconstrue the comment.

[Bruiser]

Dover,

You just lost what was left of any support for your arguments here.

And you have just supplied the proof of that old axiom "Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level then beat you with experience"".

[The_Dover]

<img src="http://www.taiga.net/reports/traditional_fisheries/Icefishing1.jpg">

I neither want nor need the support of a pair of tractor riding colonials.

Now piss off back to your hogley board and talk tassles.

Good chaps.

[peasea]

Dover,

You just lost what was left of any support for your arguments here.

And you have just supplied the proof of that old axiom "Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level then beat you with experience"".

Cheers Bruiser. I'm not going to bag Dover, it'd be like poking a rabid dog with a stick; asking for trouble, not worth the effort and a waste of a good stick.

[peasea]

<img src="http://www.taiga.net/reports/traditional_fisheries/Icefishing1.jpg">

I neither want nor need the support of a pair of tractor riding colonials.

Now piss off back to your hogley board and talk tassles.

Good chaps.

Aww. I was looking forward to rolling round to your place for a bit of male bonding.

[peasea]

...and....
I haven't got any tassles, or chaps......I thought 'chaps' was your bag.

[scracha]

going slow around the corner, I thought if I came around at normal speed then sat in behind him he would speed up.

So thats why all the fuckwits sit an inch from my back tyre if I'm going at the speed limit. Stupid thing to do in a car. EXTREMELY stupid thing to do on a motorcycle.

ps. Some people actually slow down when someone is driving too close to their rear end.

[peasea]

So thats why all the fuckwits sit an inch from my back tyre if I'm going at the speed limit. Stupid thing to do in a car. EXTREMELY stupid thing to do on a motorcycle.

ps. Some people actually slow down when someone is driving too close to their rear end.


Don't say "rear end" too loudly, the Dover is watching, you'll get him all excited.

I don't like rugby either. All those guys, one ball, makes you wonder....

[The_Dover]

<img src="http://www.jackshiles.com/jacks-hooters/ball_licking.jpg">

is that the best you ball lickers can do?

[Bruiser]

I neither want nor need the support of a pair of tractor riding colonials.

Now piss off back to your hogley board and talk tassles.

Good chaps.

A colonial? I'm a fifth generation kiwi here mate, with a partner whose NZ family tree goes back about 800 years.

As for insulting my preference in rides, all you're proving is how desperate you are for ammunition.

[peasea]

Sorry, was there a contest? We're all waiting for the Grand Whazoo to post something funny, like a picture of your willy.

[The_Dover]

<img src="http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2004/04/12/images/BUCKET.jpeg">

[Patrick]

A colonial? I'm a fifth generation kiwi here mate, with a partner whose NZ family tree goes back about 800 years.

As for insulting my preference in rides, all you're proving is how desperate you are for ammunition.

Dover as in White Cliffs of...

Dover as in colonial....

Dover as in "Yet another F.W.P."

[peasea]

A colonial? I'm a fifth generation kiwi here mate, with a partner whose NZ family tree goes back about 800 years.

As for insulting my preference in rides, all you're proving is how desperate you are for ammunition.


This person (man isn't the word) is a mental midget. There's probably no bike in the garage, no girl in the bedroom and no qualifications on the wall. Funny though, I have to admit.

I do wonder, though, what motivates someone to climb into others with such venomous vitriole with no idea as to the victims identity or background? The word 'shallow' is ironically too shallow to use.

[The_Dover]

This person (man isn't the word) is a mental midget. There's probably no bike in the garage, no girl in the bedroom and no qualifications on the wall. Funny though, I have to admit.

I do wonder, though, what motivates someone to climb into others with such venomous vitriole with no idea as to the victims identity or background? The word 'shallow' is ironically too shallow to use.

harden up you fag.

[SixPackBack]

This person (man isn't the word) is a mental midget. There's probably no bike in the garage, no girl in the bedroom and no qualifications on the wall. Funny though, I have to admit.

Thats where your wrong squidly. Like it or not This person owns the king of bikes, a stunning women and an intellect.

You bitches will loose. Not that I give a fuck.:sunny:

[peasea]

harden up you fag.

There's that fag thing again. I sense some kind of theme here. If you want to ask me out on a date just go ahead.

[The_Dover]

There's that fag thing again. I sense some kind of theme here. If you want to ask me out on a date just go ahead.

you're new to the internet aren't you sweetheart?

[Bruiser]

There's that fag thing again. I sense some kind of theme here. If you want to ask me out on a date just go ahead.

Would you expect any less from the "bloke" who calls himself "Ben_d Over" :yes:

[peasea]

Thats where your wrong squidly. Like it or not This person owns the king of bikes, a stunning women and an intellect.

You bitches will loose. Not that I give a fuck.:sunny:


The king of bikes? According to who?
And as for "stunning women" how many is that? And does he really 'own' them?
Did you mean 'lose'? More spelling mistakes.
I don't care either, I'm only staying up for the (inane) sport.

[rwh]

This person (man isn't the word) is a mental midget. There's probably no bike in the garage, no girl in the bedroom and no qualifications on the wall. Funny though, I have to admit.

My opinion was probably similar when I'd only been on here 3 months. I'd tend to hang around a forum a bit longer than that before complaining publically about it or it's members, though.

Richard

[Bruiser]

Thats where your wrong squidly. Like it or not This person owns the king of bikes, a stunning women and an intellect.

Which is more than can be said for you!

[peasea]

Would you expect any less from the "bloke" who calls himself "Ben_d Over" :yes:

Yeah, yeah, he's a piss-taker from hell; again I say "funny", good on him. I assume from his mate's comments that he (maybe she) has some stunning 'women' in tow, if that's the case (and he is a she) we still roll into the gay arena. How sad, I've tried to save many a lesbian.

We could make a movie out of this and call it "A Colossal Waste of Time", or if Dover directs it/stars in it, "A Colonic Waste of Time".

The 'king of bikes' thing still has me wondering though. Honda Dream perhaps? Hmm, have to give that some thought.

[SixPackBack]

Which is more than can be said for you!

Sorry what was that "fatboy"......have I made you cry lately?

*Harley girls are dillusional tonight*

[peasea]

My opinion was probably similar when I'd only been on here 3 months. I'd tend to hang around a forum a bit longer than that before complaining publically about it or it's members, though.

Richard

Why? Please extrapolate.
...and, for the record, it's spelt 'publicly'

[peasea]

Sorry what was that "fatboy"......have I made you cry lately?

*Harley girls are dillusional tonight*


I'm laughing my tits off. Oops, should'na said that!
I don't think 'dillusional' is the right word; try "..........", oh, just try...damn it!

[The_Dover]

Why? Please extrapolate.

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/d/4/ad4d935c737d6e44b9b3e5f6d852dddb.png">

[Bruiser]

Sorry what was that "fatboy"......have I made you cry lately?

*Harley girls are dillusional tonight*

You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it!

[The_Dover]

You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it!

but I bet his little sister was pissed when you stole her bike.

[peasea]

You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it!

He's probably got his gruns too

[SixPackBack]

You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it!

Is that it??......come on Bruiser you can do better than that. Go on have another shot:yes:

[peasea]

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/d/4/ad4d935c737d6e44b9b3e5f6d852dddb.png">


That's the wrong equation.
We're looking for something along the lines of ....
(I)mU4(1)vol=500ml&Lrf

Go figure.....Mister Intellect.

[Bruiser]

but I bet his little sister was pissed when you stole her bike.

Back to the bike thing.

My oh my you really should start looking for another job man, because you obviously don't have the talent (or brains) to take the piss.

[The_Dover]

Back to the bike thing.

My oh my you really should start looking for another job man, because you obviously don't have the talent (or brains) to take the piss.

Computer says no.

<img src="http://www.on-one.co.uk/images/announce/PDVD_090.jpg">

I didn't realise that was part of my job description? I better go check my contract...

[peasea]

Back to the bike thing.

My oh my you really should start looking for another job man, because you obviously don't have the talent (or brains) to take the piss.

You're leading him on, Bruiser. I'd be happy to wager he's fucked on that equation. Or, if he's sussed it, he can't get his bike going to see it through.

[Ixion]

Sigh. I miss him too. You're doing your best Dover, full marks for effort, but it's just not the same. AND IT'S NOT IN CAPITALS.

[Bruiser]

Computer says no.

I didn't realise that was part of my job description? I better go check my contract...


First things first: the combined ramblings of SPB and Dover retain about as much intellectual validity as witnessing your own mother naked.

As I'm sure you know, since it's glaringly obvious that you've experienced both, neither situation is particularly insightful or, in any other manner, sagacious. For this alone, you are a glib, retch-brained oligophreniac at best.

It would, indeed, be the apex of modern existence to strike you repeatedly in a back alley as you beg for your ineffectual nothing-of-a-life, but upright organisms such as myself have better things to do, like making you and your excerebrose would-be pontifications rebarbative, irrefutable proof of just how mind-numbingly simple it is to operate a computer.

Your pitiable attempts at sardonic wordplay are transparent, coprolalial shards of sophomoric faux-elocution which, incidentally, resemble some of the lesser-evolved of either of your xylocephalous utterances.

[peasea]

you're new to the internet aren't you sweetheart?

Well kinda. I always thought forums were a waste of time, but you've changed my thinking. You have an insane sense of humour, witty, sour, abrasive, call it what you will, BUT! Without such shit there'd never have been Monty Python, Benny Hill, South Park, Borat or Gone With the Wind.

I salute you. You're funny.

[rwh]

Why? Please extrapolate.

1. It's much harder to get a handle on who someone is when you're only reading text than when you meet them in person. My opinion of The Dover in particular has changed a lot since then.

2. Even if your judgement is exactly right, people are more likely to take offence when that judgement is coming from a newcomer (or someone perceived to be a newcomer; I don't know how long you'd been reading this site before you signed up) - especially if it's a negative judgement.


...and, for the record, it's spelt 'publicly'

If you like. But it's not particularly relevant. (Edit: my Oxford agrees with you, but dictionary.com seems to allow either. I'll go with the Oxford, so thanks.)

Richard

[The_Dover]

First things first: the combined ramblings of SPB and Dover retain about as much intellectual validity as witnessing your own mother naked.

As I'm sure you know, since it's glaringly obvious that you've experienced both, neither situation is particularly insightful or, in any other manner, sagacious. For this alone, you are a glib, retch-brained oligophreniac at best.

It would, indeed, be the apex of modern existence to strike you repeatedly in a back alley as you beg for your ineffectual nothing-of-a-life, but upright organisms such as myself have better things to do, like making you and your excerebrose would-be pontifications rebarbative, irrefutable proof of just how mind-numbingly simple it is to operate a computer.

Your pitiable attempts at sardonic wordplay are transparent, coprolalial shards of sophomoric faux-elocution which, incidentally, resemble some of the lesser-evolved of either of your xylocephalous utterances.

Have they got a new library out west or something?

You know a lot of big words Bruiser, you must be a real smart cookie. But I think seeing your own mother naked has fucked with your brain a bit. I didn't mind it one bit though. Your mum's got nice tits for an old bird.

[SixPackBack]

he can't get his bike going to see it through.

Ahem......... (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42998)

[SixPackBack]

It would, indeed, be the apex of modern existence to strike you repeatedly in a back alley .

Very flowery "Fatboy". As for 'striking' anyone looks to me like butterball would get his arse kicked.

[vamr]

Well, yeah. I work in a restaurant in Remuera; sometimes people come in, they want a table, but we're fully booked. Sometimes I'll try to shift things around and juggle things so I can squeeze them in (a pain in the arse, and perhaps the customer who booked had that particular window seat in mind when they booked early). But if the customer acts like an arrogant dick and treats me like dirt just because they've got money and a nice suit, then I'm sorry but I can't help them.

Is policing a service industry? :innocent:

It's just the reality of performing such functions. You are no longer a person but a job (or in my case a mobile fixture of a bar)... and in turn you don't see them as people.

[The_Dover]

That's the wrong equation.
We're looking for something along the lines of ....
(I)mU4(1)vol=500ml&Lrf

Go figure.....Mister Intellect.

biochemistry ain't my thing Sherminator.

doesn't look like linear regression is yours, mind you, i'm a little rusty meself.

[Disco Dan]

Right... you lot have a choice between ribbed or flavoured. Which would you prefer?

[Bruiser]

Have they got a new library out west or something?

You know a lot of big words Bruiser, you must be a real smart cookie. But I think seeing your own mother naked has fucked with your brain a bit. I didn't mind it one bit though. Your mum's got nice tits for an old bird.

When will you learn that compared to most you're a mental pygmy. Sure you do have a talent for hitting below the belt, but that alone qualifies you as nothing more than an easy target. The term "one-dimensional" springs to mind.

[The_Dover]

Glow in the dark for me please.

<img src="http://www.unilatex.com/lum-condom.jpg">

[peasea]

First things first: the combined ramblings of SPB and Dover retain about as much intellectual validity as witnessing your own mother naked.

As I'm sure you know, since it's glaringly obvious that you've experienced both, neither situation is particularly insightful or, in any other manner, sagacious. For this alone, you are a glib, retch-brained oligophreniac at best.

It would, indeed, be the apex of modern existence to strike you repeatedly in a back alley as you beg for your ineffectual nothing-of-a-life, but upright organisms such as myself have better things to do, like making you and your excerebrose would-be pontifications rebarbative, irrefutable proof of just how mind-numbingly simple it is to operate a computer.

Your pitiable attempts at sardonic wordplay are transparent, coprolalial shards of sophomoric faux-elocution which, incidentally, resemble some of the lesser-evolved of either of your xylocephalous utterances.

Fuck! There's a lot of words Bruiser!
My favourite is 'pontifications', just because it reminds me of the Pope and going to confession. You know, dark room, Roman Catholic priest uttering holy commands in Latin through the screen? As I said, Dover's a piss-taker, he does this to wind people up and the more you react the more he feeds on it. Go hard, have a go, he'll tear/wear you down, he has nothing to lose and less to to do. I only signed up here coz I'm on leave. I'll get back to the bike, back to work and get on with my life; he'll still be here coz this is all he has. Be my guest, encourage him, I need a few laughs at this time of night. I can't thrash the stereo coz the missus has to work tomorrow so I need some entertainment. If you want sensible comments PM me. Seriously, everyone here is a biker, take the piss, do whatever. I'll still stop and help someone on the side of the road, I'll still give blood, I'll still park my 'tractor' next to a Gixxer. It's all in fun man, don't take it personally. It's a very sharp learning curve this KB thing.

[The_Dover]

When will you learn that compared to most you're a mental pygmy. Sure you do have a talent for hitting below the belt, but that alone qualifies you as nothing more than an easy target. The term "one-dimensional" springs to mind.

When will you learn that being a pretentious fuck knuckle with a penchant for intellectual posturing will not enhance your stature in life or make you appear particularly intelligent.

It makes you look like a twat. A twat that likes big words.

[peasea]

1. It's much harder to get a handle on who someone is when you're only reading text than when you meet them in person. My opinion of The Dover in particular has changed a lot since then.

2. Even if your judgement is exactly right, people are more likely to take offence when that judgement is coming from a newcomer (or someone perceived to be a newcomer; I don't know how long you'd been reading this site before you signed up) - especially if it's a negative judgement.



If you like. But it's not particularly relevant. (Edit: my Oxford agrees with you, but dictionary.com seems to allow either. I'll go with the Oxford, so thanks.)

Richard
Mine's a Webster....ironic huh?

[Bruiser]

If you want sensible comments PM me.

Already done earlier this am.

[Disco Dan]

"antidisestablishmentarianism" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidisestablishmentarianism)

sheepskin condom for me.

[peasea]

biochemistry ain't my thing Sherminator.

doesn't look like linear regression is yours, mind you, i'm a little rusty meself.

Okay, I'll spell it out for you numb nuts.

(I)mU4(1)vol=500ml&Lrf


Which means: I meet you for one pint and have a laugh.

Can't say fairer than that.

I actually like your sense of humour. No dramas, no b/s, just a pint. Where do you live?

[peasea]

"antidisestablishmentarianism" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidisestablishmentarianism)

sheepskin condom for me.

They're not bad, but have you tried the 'Alligator Personal Sheath'? She'll love it.

[Bruiser]

When will you learn that being a pretentious fuck knuckle with a penchant for intellectual posturing will not enhance your stature in life or make you appear particularly intelligent.

It makes you look like a twat. A twat that likes big words.

When you learn to use intelligence, insite, knowledge and reasoned opion, rather than stooping to insults, abuse and how to put together a sentence that doesn't include half a dozen profanities.

[Disco Dan]

sounds interesting... im looking for an edible one. Hard to find.

[The_Dover]

Okay, I'll spell it out for you numb nuts.

(I)mU4(1)vol=500ml&Lrf


Which means: I meet you for one pint and have a laugh.

Can't say fairer than that.

I actually like your sense of humour. No dramas, no b/s, just a pint. Where do you live?

Now you see, that's where you lost me and found me in one sentence.

A pint to me is 568ml. 500ml is half a litre.

But I am partial to beer.

[Bruiser]

The 'king of bikes' thing still has me wondering though. Honda Dream perhaps? Hmm, have to give that some thought.

His email addy is the clue - GSXR_Dover@hotmail.com

[The_Dover]

When you learn to use intelligence, insite, knowledge and reasoned opion, rather than stooping to insults, abuse and how to put together a sentence that doesn't include half a dozen profanities.

I've yet to see much insight from you Mr Mensa.

Just lots of big words and a cry baby attitude to being ribbed.

Did you get picked on at school? Are you ginger? Did you first wife leave you for a lesbian circus performer?

[The_Dover]

His email addy is the clue - GSXR_Dover@hotmail.com

And WHAM!!!

Bruiser hit's us with the intelligent insight.

Thank you and goodnight, cruiser...

[peasea]

Now you see, that's where you lost me and found me in one sentence.

A pint to me is 568ml. 500ml is half a litre.

But I am partial to beer.


Bugger, you spotted the anomoly in the modern vernacular. A pint, is indeed, 568ml and that's why I object to paying for 500ml. Which means you're buying.

If it's a pint you're buying; I'll have bourbon.

[peasea]

I would like to add that this thread has had little meaning but pages of it. That tells me two things: 1) There are many bikers out there who are up late and 2)Those bikers are a bunch of stay-at-home girl's blouses. It's raining, blowing a howling gale, dark, stormy, all that and more.

Now, where's my blouse?

[The_Dover]

Bugger, you spotted the anomoly in the modern vernacular. A pint, is indeed, 568ml and that's why I object to paying for 500ml. Which means you're buying.

If it's a pint you're buying; I'll have bourbon.

sweet, but no mixers allowed and more than three skulls is cheating.



Now, where's my blouse?

You mean bruiser? Dunno, she went quiet.

[peasea]

His email addy is the clue - GSXR_Dover@hotmail.com


That means nothing. I could have TopFuelBallTearer@scorchingnuts.com and ride aforementioned Honda Dream. King of bikes? Nah, I'm still liking the Honda.

[peasea]

sweet, but no mixers allowed and more than three skulls is cheating.



You mean bruiser? Dunno, she went quiet.

See what I mean, quick as a flash (should'na said that either) you've gone and dissed another bro.

[peasea]

Good Lord, look at the time

[Bruiser]

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You mean bruiser? Dunno, she went quiet.

LOL, And what a surprise, Eileen d Over goes for the jugular and hits the funnybone.

[scracha]

<img src="http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2004/04/12/images/BUCKET.jpeg">

Oy kiwi feller..that's not your willie, it's Oor Wullie.

This is probably more your wullie.
<img src="http://www.toonhound.com/oor-wullie.jpg">

[Lucy]

Well kinda. I always thought forums were a waste of time, but you've changed my thinking. You have an insane sense of humour, witty, sour, abrasive, call it what you will, BUT! Without such shit there'd never have been Monty Python, Benny Hill, South Park, Borat or Gone With the Wind.

I salute you. You're funny.

What?! Changed your mind, and now you are sucking up? Wuss. Are you French?

[Lucy]

Okay, I'll spell it out for you numb nuts.

(I)mU4(1)vol=500ml&Lrf


Which means: I meet you for one pint and have a laugh.

Can't say fairer than that.

I actually like your sense of humour. No dramas, no b/s, just a pint. Where do you live?


Our 'pints' of mulk used to be 600ml. A NZ 'pint' glass/handle of beer won't hold a 440ml can of beer. I hate maths but love beer.

[Lucy]

I've yet to see much insight from you Mr Mensa.

Just lots of big words and a cry baby attitude to being ribbed.

Did you get picked on at school? Are you ginger? Did you first wife leave you for a lesbian circus performer?


Whoah! There's a lesbian circus???? I've been wondering what I can get my husband for his birthday. Do they have season tickets?

[peasea]

What?! Changed your mind, and now you are sucking up? Wuss. Are you French?

French? No, not me dear, although I do like the 2CV, cute.

[peasea]

Our 'pints' of mulk used to be 600ml. A NZ 'pint' glass/handle of beer won't hold a 440ml can of beer. I hate maths but love beer.

There's a solid kiwi accent for you; spot on with the pronunciation of the word 'milk' but I think you'll find the 'pint' mugs where I occasinally drink hold more like 480ml, either way it's nowhere near a pint. I should have said 'handle' or 'glass'. You do have to watch your pees and queues around here.

[scumdog]

Thats where your wrong squidly. Like it or not This person owns the king of bikes, a stunning women and an intellect.



And a shit-load of modesty too no doubt.....:whistle:

[scumdog]

harden up you fag.

Obviouslt this person likes their fags hard....

Since I know nothing about fags maybe he might like to explain the advantage of a hard fag - or even explain a 'fag'.

Maybe it's a self-description of theirs??

[The Stranger]

Have they got a new library out west or something?



No new libraries Dover - he does have google though to assist him with his insults (http://www.quickswood.com/my_weblog/2006/10/artful_insults.html).

[The_Dover]

No new libraries Dover - he does have google though to assist him with his insults (http://www.quickswood.com/my_weblog/2006/10/artful_insults.html).

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

what a FUCKING LOSER!!!

[Smorg]

what the fuck is going on in here?

[The_Dover]

fucked if I know.

Some dude with a hog has just discovered the interweb and the joys of google.

"i dun thunk ahm a smart coo-key paw"

[The Stranger]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

what a FUCKING LOSER!!!

Didn't he refer to you as a mental pygmy?
Plagiarism shows a superior intellect I guess.

Oh well, I live and learn.

[The_Dover]

Yeah, I'm the one in the middle! Nice tits eh?

<img src="http://www.kenbmiller.com/satpostman/cult_figures/hortense/a1-pygmies-aacultfiguresof.jpg">

[xwhatsit]

what the fuck is going on in here?

Indeed. Hi, omnipresent mods, if you like, you're welcome to close the thread.

[scumdog]

fucked if I know.

Some dude with a hog has just discovered the interweb and the joys of google.

"i dun thunk ahm a smart coo-key paw"

You've posted 6,300+- times on KB and you STILL don't know what's going on here??

[The_Dover]

what can I say scummy.

I learn about as fast as I ride. Do you think I could get a pension on account of my single digit IQ?

would beat pretending to work.

[Joni]

:zzzz:

Back on topic please....

I dont undertsand why everything must be dragged into "crap status"... can the last few people who have been posting even remember what this thread is about... Dover? :spudwhat:

Come on guys... please!

[The_Dover]

Yes, it was about a cop not ticketing someone riding like a clown in a built up area.

Next question.

[Joni]

Yes, it was about a cop not ticketing someone riding like a clown in a built up area.So, because its about cops, which we all know you are not keen on, you have decided to turn the thread to crap, just for the hell of it?

[The_Dover]

So, because its about cops, which we all know you are not keen on, you have decided to turn the thread to crap, just for the hell of it?

I'd suggest you go back and read my first post and other's subsequent posts before you point your fucking broomstick at me.

I'll take ownership where I am responsible but you can stick your infraction and your accusation up your arse.

I made an on topic post giving a valid reason why I disagreed with the lazy cops actions. Fact is it was probably too much paperwork for the end of his shift.

If others want to have a poke over my overall opinion of the pigs, which was not mentioned in this thread, then I will poke back cos I like a good scrap.

[peasea]

"If others want to have a poke over my overall opinion of the pigs, which was not mentioned in this thread, then I will poke back cos I like a good scrap."

And I like a good laugh, which is what I've been getting from this thread. Why not turn it to crap just for the hell of it? :whocares:

[sunhuntin]

I'd suggest you go back and read my first post and other's subsequent posts before you point your fucking broomstick at me.

I'll take ownership where I am responsible but you can stick your infraction and your accusation up your arse.

I made an on topic post giving a valid reason why I disagreed with the lazy cops actions. Fact is it was probably too much paperwork for the end of his shift.

If others want to have a poke over my overall opinion of the pigs, which was not mentioned in this thread, then I will poke back cos I like a good scrap.

yep...i think your first post on page 2 was very very valid, and a damn good point. in this case...the cop should have ticketed. might be different if the street was deserted.

if i caught myself doing 80k in a 50 zone...id likely drop my keys down the sewer. when ever i find myself coming up behind a car, i always check my speed, and adjust if necessary. sometimes though, its the person in front who does need to speed up. if i can safely overtake, i will. otherwise, ill slow to a safe gap, and stay at that speed.

people up my ass annoy me...so i refuse to do the same to others. if im doing 50, or 55, i wont be speeding up because the gator wants me to. ill likely go the opposite way and slow down.

and indicators...fuck. i hate people that dont!! waste quite a bit of time at roundabouts due to people not indicating, or indicating incorrectly. specially changing lanes, theres so much that could go wrong. i try and make sure im in the far left lane [slow] and stay there, unless overtaking an even slower vehicle.

[KLOWN]

Are you ginger?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


No new libraries Dover - he does have google though to assist him with his insults (http://www.quickswood.com/my_weblog/2006/10/artful_insults.html).

soooo snapped. Bling for stranger for that little peice of detective work!

and to get back on topic....

Some people are being a little harsh. This is a learner rider, everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully you learn from them

[Ixion]

I'd suggest you go back and read my first post and other's subsequent posts before you point your fucking broomstick at me.

I'll take ownership where I am responsible but you can stick your infraction and your accusation up your arse.

I made an on topic post giving a valid reason why I disagreed with the lazy cops actions. Fact is it was probably too much paperwork for the end of his shift.

If others want to have a poke over my overall opinion of the pigs, which was not mentioned in this thread, then I will poke back cos I like a good scrap.

Actually, the infraction was for posting a stupidly large, and off topic and irrelevant image . Even on DSL downloading it took ages. Some members still rely on dialup.

[Joni]

Thanks Ixion, but I reckon he knows that and he just needed to vent... you know Joni the bad Moderator is picking on him again, forget that his post are 1:10 = 1 quality to every 10 drivel.... it does not seem to matter...

[The_Dover]

Ok Joni, I'll rephrase.

I'll take the infraction, it dosn't worry me as my initial response to your PM should have indicated.

What I took offence to is you little dig at my opinion of the pigs, which did not have anything to do with my on topic post on this thread, and your accusation that I dragged this thread off topic.

Open your eyes, read the thread in chronological order.

Nowhere did I cry that you were picking on me and as I said to Hitcher when he PM'd me, I have no problem with you or the infraction. I was merely pointing out that your accusation was unfounded on THIS occasion.

Now be a good girl and go cook Kickaha some eggs.

[Joni]

I actually get what you are saying Dover, and yes you did make some valid points... however I just looked over the last 2 pages of this thread, posts: 152, 154, 156, 159 were all drivel - and these exclude your rants at me...

So yes you made a good point or two in the beginning parts of the thread, but like I said Ben 1:10

Anyway, its not dinner time yet, I'll cook the eggs later :shit:

[The_Dover]

Yeah, sorry I interrupted the otherwise intelligent and topical debate.

[Smorg]

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They are always watching

[scumdog]

what can I say scummy.

I learn about as fast as I ride. Do you think I could get a pension on account of my single digit IQ?

would beat pretending to work.

I hope you're not suggesting I PRETEND to work??

Cos if I only pretend to work then I've got THE BEST job in NZ - tax-payers pay me and I only PRETEND to work!!!:woohoo: :Police: