F1 vs NASCAR vs IndyCar vs V8's

[Lorax]

H'okay, so...

F1 cars are damn quick, great at handling. Are they faster than Nascar and Indycar's?

You get 5 cars of each (20 in total) and they do 4 races, one on a Nascar track (up to 500 miles, 800km), one on a 'typical' F1 track (usually just over 300km total) [F1 fans aghast, saying "oh but they are all so unique, there are simply no typical F1 tracks. Lorax fool!"], one on an Indycar track (up to 500 miles, 800km), and one on Mt Panorama (1000km!). All races would have a normal lap count for that track and championship

Would an F1 car stand up to 800km like Nascar? Or a freaken thousand big ones like the Supercars? Hmmm?

How would the V8's go against Nascar?

Would the Nascar beasts be able to turn right? [Ok, so they have 4 races a year on non-ovals...)

Flat out speed, who's best?

0 to 100? to 300? 0 to 100 and back to 0?

INFORM ME! :rockon::Punk: :rockon: :Punk: :rockon: :Punk: :rockon: :Punk: :rockon:

PS Please no Ford vs Holden crap. :whocares: Do that on another thread. Chur.

[xwhatsit]

F1>all. That's why it's called Formula One.

F1s tend to be pretty reliable. They would definitely last the long distance runs. I used to follow F1 pretty closely, and you used to read in the magazines about them doing serious kms during testing days.

I've been to a couple of Grands Prix; at a Melbourne one a few years back, in the Saturday (and Friday too, I think) they did quite a cool thing; three cars. One a stock BMW M3. Then a V8 supercar. Then I think Ralph Schumi's Williams BMW F1. They tried to get the timing perfectly using mathematical models; first the BMW M3 was sent out. After maybe a minute's delay, the V8 left the start line. Then maybe 45 seconds later, the F1 left the line. The idea was to get all three cars to cross the finish line after one lap at the same time. Each time they did it (three times or so over a couple of days), they adjusted the timing slightly to get it better. Was pretty impressive seeing the F1 scream past those tintops like they were standing still.

Indy cars (or are you thinking of Champcars?) are a lot heavier. A lot less technology in those. But I'd say they'd still have it over a Nascar by miles. I'd be willing to put my money on a Supercar compared to Nascar; don't know enough about tintop racing to say though.

There's very few things on this planet that can put an F1 away. Not even my CB250RS.

[Edbear]

F1>all.



I agree, even the new V8's would probably be quicker than the Indy cars. The Indy cars are heavier, but have similar top speeds to F1. The main difference in performance is acceleration and braking. No contest! The F1 rules have changed in recent years to force teams to use one engine for two races so the reliability is pretty much taken for granted now.

[Motu]

Each of the 3 cars are heavily restricted by their rules,but they are finely tuned to get the most out of what they are allowed.....and this sorta makes any comparisions invalid.But F1 is the top level in technology of all motorsport,there is nothing any other racing series does better at than F1......unless you think getting so much HP out of a V8 with a 2'' restrictor plate is ultimate technology.If the delicate F1 car could handle the track,it would beat all comers,until it's engine did 2 race distances....

In 1963 Jim Clark took an F1 car to Indy....came 2nd when he slipped on oil from Parnelli Jones winning car.But the righting was on the wall - from then on Indy cars became F1 cars.They are that good......any era,they are that good.

[kiwisfly]

Whoa, agree with all that the F1 would spank bottom.
Imagine the noise that this lot would generate...hmmm!

[Masterchop]

As Motu said,the differances are to much for real comparison, but the F1 car
will be so far ahead of the others it wouldnt even be a race.

Untill it broke.

[Jantar]

....If the delicate F1 car could handle the track,it would beat all comers,until it's engine did 2 race distances....
Umm, 2 race distances, plus 2 practice distances, plus 2 qualifying distances. About 1000 km in total.

[Motu]

So you want them to do it with no practice or set up laps as well? Let's make it really hard for the F1 car if it's so good.

[Jantar]

So you want them to do it with no practice or set up laps as well? Let's make it really hard for the F1 car if it's so good.
You are right. A F1 engine is good for around 1000kms at race speed, whether its racing, practicing or just setting up. So the F1 car will blitz all in the shorter events, but may or may not last the 1000 km race.

[Motu]

I'm sure a F1 engine supplier could make an engine to last 10 race meetings - but they wouldn't win races,and that's what they do,build motors to win races.Years ago they changed engines just for practice,another for qualifying,then fitted the race engine.Now the engine has to last 2 race weekends....they make it to do that.Motor racing is just too specialised these days.

[Edbear]

Whoa, agree with all that the F1 would spank bottom.
Imagine the noise that this lot would generate...hmmm!



Imagine 15 F1 cars reaching max revs and speed down Conrod...!!!!:gob: Cool or wot!?

Every year the rulemakers try to slow the cars down, as has MotoGP with bikes this year, and every year they just go faster and get better! Where would the F1 cars be if they hadn't banned turbo's and slicks and ground-effects? Much where fighter jets are now, in that they are seriously developing pilotless planes due to the fact that the planes are so far outperforming the human body the human is holding them back! Interesting that racing sailing yachts are also reaching this point.

Isn't it fascinating that technology in motorsport has reached the point that human beings are now the weak link? Rather than "driving the wheels off it!", the cars and bikes are "driving the human off it!"

[jonbuoy]

Would be interesting if they let the F1 teams go wild with whatever performance mods/technology they could just for a couple of seasons, see just how fast they could make them.

[avgas]

Electric hill climb cars - 0-100 at ridiculous speeds. Top speed 200 though :(
Or there is the PT Bruiser..

[Indiana_Jones]

Well nascar and V8 would be pretty simliar I guess as they're both V8's lol. But the Nascar (stock car) is designed for top end speed, more so then handling, thus their arses are pretty loose on the track. They're doing about 185MPH constantly on the track.

NASCAR is fun to play in games :D

-Indy

[Toaster]

The supercar v8's are 600bhp, not 1000.

[Toaster]

And americans obviously can't drive around anything more complex than a big oval. Bring back the british touring car coverage - all argy bargy and more entertaining to watch than some bunch of numptys driving around in circles.

Besides.... this is a biker forum isn't it? Shouldn't we be discussing GP or superbikes rather than cage-racing? And no... virtualsuper14 is different - we have some wagers going on that.

[Indiana_Jones]

And americans obviously can't drive around anything more complex than a big oval. Bring back the british touring car coverage - all argy bargy and more entertaining to watch than some bunch of numptys driving around in circles.

Don't be dissing the oval! lol


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-Indy

[marty]

watch nascar telemetry - 290kmh seems to be about tops.

F1 telemetry - 320kmh seen quite often.

superbikes - 300kmh seen easily

indy cars - easily over 300 with gearing.

watch any F1 v superbike. here's one here actually... the acceleration of the F1 car is quite frankly, phenomenal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUBCNg3xO8

[sparrow_34]

The 2006 Indy 500 pole position speed (average speed over 4 laps) was 228.985 mph = 368.52km/h.

[Motu]

If you think driving (or riding) around in circles is easy,I'd suggest you give it a try sometime.Nothing boring about it,not one bit!

[xwhatsit]

A wide variety of technologies – including active suspension, ground effect aerodynamics and turbochargers – are banned under the current regulations. Despite this the 2006 generation of cars can reach speeds of up to 350 km/h (around 220 mph) at some circuits (Monza).[9] A Honda Formula One car, running with minimum downforce on a runway in the Mojave desert achieved a top speed of 415 km/h (258 mph) in 2006. According to Honda, the car fully met the FIA Formula One regulations.
If you're going to go 'round and 'round in a circle it's not hard to get fast lap speeds I suppose.

[imdying]

If you think driving (or riding) around in circles is easy,I'd suggest you give it a try sometime.Nothing boring about it,not one bit!

I agree... anyone that thinks that a 170+mph Nascar doesn't 'handle' is crazy. Indy cars are getting close to 400kmp/h.... you think they'd do that in a bad handling car? Those ovals might look ghey, but they're seriously nasty shite.

[xwhatsit]

Oh I didn't mean that. I meant if you don't have hairpins and Stowe and Becketts, you're going to have much better average speeds, and particularly if you don't have to optimise for slower corners, top speeds are going to benefit.

[kiwifruit]

cars suck, all cars, inc f1 :dodge:

[avgas]

Actually its quite difficult to increase speeds as the nascars loose instabilily comming out of the corners.
And easy way to demonstrate the experiment is to take of your shoe, swing it really fast by the laces, then suddenly stop putting energy into it, and (after say 1 second) try and spin it fast again.

[Lorax]

Would be interesting if they let the F1 teams go wild with whatever performance mods/technology they could just for a couple of seasons, see just how fast they could make them.

Yeah HELL YEAH! Like pod racing on Star Wars. Extreme. No limits. set on a crazy big track. Maybe jumps too. Yeah jumps.


And americans obviously can't drive around anything more complex than a big oval. Bring back the british touring car coverage - all argy bargy and more entertaining to watch than some bunch of numptys driving around in circles.

They do have 4 races a year currently on left and right turning tracks. But yes, there's a website called www.turnleftracing.com!

I absolutely love F1 right, but do get pumped watching two Nascars side by side for the last few laps, both in contention for first. Intense.

[xwhatsit]

Yeah HELL YEAH! Like pod racing on Star Wars. Extreme. No limits. set on a crazy big track. Maybe jumps too. Yeah jumps.



They do have 4 races a year currently on left and right turning tracks. But yes, there's a website called www.turnleftracing.com (http://www.turnleftracing.com)!

I absolutely love F1 right, but do get pumped watching two Nascars side by side for the last few laps, both in contention for first. Intense.

When Monza was originally built, there used to be an oval racing track inside the actual Monza track. If you're familiar with the track, when you turn left through Vialone, there is/was an overbridge that you go under. This used to be part of the oval track. It was very steeply banked, Daytona had nothing on it; but most interestingly it went clockwise, compared to nearly all the oval racing we're familiar with, which goes counter-clockwise. In the mid to late 50s, I believe they even did a combined course in F1 which did a complete lap of the normal track and the oval; Fangio won it at least once.

[Kickaha]

watch nascar telemetry - 290kmh seems to be about tops.


Nacar used to quite regulary run 220+ mph speeds until they bought in restrictor plates for the Superspeedways