New 1000cc Hornet

[ceebie13]

Has anyone seen this before? Honda's new "Big Daddy" Hornet. What do you reckon?
Me? Not entirely convinced.

[James Deuce]

Mockup based on an X11

[The Stranger]

Has anyone seen this before? Honda's new "Big Daddy" Hornet. What do you reckon?
Me? Not entirely convinced.

I'd buy one.

[Trudes]

At least the colours match, bloody Honda stuffed so many colour matching things on my Hornet. First thing I thought when I looked at it was, what would I do to it? LOL. Not sure about the tank though, looks kinda wrong, can't put my finger on it. Bet my hubby likes it though, coming to a garage near you.........?

[Karma]

Looks to me like the handlebars are too low... seating position of a sportsbike with none of the advantages of fairings.

[The Stranger]

Looks to me like the handlebars are too low... seating position of a sportsbike with none of the advantages of fairings.

Say what?
The handle bars are well above the top tripple clamp.
What do you want? A chopper?

[Karma]

What do you want? A chopper?

Yep, and a plane, fueled and ready to fly, I'll give instructions to the pilot.

[JimO]

Yep, and a plane, fueled and ready to fly, I'll give instructions to the pilot.
haha..............................

[Smokin]

Thats 100% FireBlade frame/swingarm and running gear there.
Someone having a play with photoshop perhaps?

[Jimmy B]

Thats 100% FireBlade frame/swingarm and running gear there.
Someone having a play with photoshop perhaps?

I thought it bore more than a passing resemblance to the X11 as Jim said but your post is probably spot on. No disrespect to Hornet or CB1300 owners but I think Honda really lack a credible muscle bike at the moment and I for one would welcome a revised X11 or Hornet on steroids

[Smokin]

I know this photo is of the wrong side but it gives you an idea.

[Kendog]

Has anyone seen this before? Honda's new "Big Daddy" Hornet. What do you reckon?
Me? Not entirely convinced.

I have seen this pic before. Tis a guess of what Honda could do and has been written off by many as not going to happen.

I hope the 900 gets a revamp, like the 600 has just had. Would like the new CBR1000 engine (tuned for torque not top end), upright riding position, great brakes, suspension etc and naked.

Honda, you reading this??

[The Stranger]

I have seen this pic before. Tis a guess of what Honda could do and has been written off by many as not going to happen.

I hope the 900 gets a revamp, like the 600 has just had. Would like the new CBR1000 engine (tuned for torque not top end), upright riding position, great brakes, suspension etc and naked.

Honda, you reading this??

Is it just me or does it seem that Honda seriously lag when it comes to new offerings. Having trouble recalling anything really new out of Honda in a long while. They even seem to be slow to update old models and generally only tickle them up a little when they do.

[Kendog]

Fair call, look at the VTR, or even then VFR.

Maybe they think their client base is a conservative lot that don't handle change to well.

[ceebie13]

Not sure about the tank though, looks kinda wrong, can't put my finger on it....

You need longer arms then!!:rofl:

[Hitcher]

The X11 was staggeringly popular in these parts. Marketing people. Pah.

[limbimtimwim]

Is it just me or does it seem that Honda seriously lag when it comes to new offerings. Having trouble recalling anything really new out of Honda in a long while. They even seem to be slow to update old models and generally only tickle them up a little when they do.I feel the same way. They are boooorrrrinnnnggg at the moment. Where is the SV650 competitor? The SV650 is in generation two, probably heading for a makeover sometime in the near future. What about a proper hyperbike, ZX14 style? Or a balls out V4 sports bike? If honda made one of those again, I'd be there with the requisite pile of money and firstborn to get one.

Thought from what I have read (but not experienced..) the current CBR1000 and CBR600 are signs that Honda might have got it's groove back. The new 600 hornet is at least an attempt at being adventurous. They even let Italians design it...

[Jimmy B]

I have seen this pic before. Tis a guess of what Honda could do and has been written off by many as not going to happen.

I hope the 900 gets a revamp, like the 600 has just had. Would like the new CBR1000 engine (tuned for torque not top end), upright riding position, great brakes, suspension etc and naked.

Honda, you reading this??

I still reckon Honda were heading down the right track with the X11, as Hitcher has mentioned on numerous occasions it was a dead duck despite being the quickest naked bike ever produced at the time.

I think the Hornet looks more appealing to most people so, in my opinion, an X11-Hornet hybrid using the Blackbird engine would be fantastic. Even the comics that slagged the X11 could not get away from the brutal performance offered by the X11, courtesy of the 'bird engine.

Using the CBR1000 motor could make it too Fazer like i.e. bias still towards top end rush at the expense of, albeit slight, bottom end grunt.

[WickedOne]

Saw this a while ago (not sure where I saw it but did save it), I would buy one at the drop of a hat....

Along with a revamped CB600F Hornet, Honda is expected to dump the old CBR engine in the CB900F and bring out a heftier version of the CBF1000 engine for a brand new CB1000F Hornet. Styling will be more adventurous than the CBF hopefully. A CBF1000 engine means the latest generation Fireblade genes, but with much more than 100bhp this time. To bring it up to the level of the competition from Yamaha FZ1 and Kawasaki Z1000 it needs more than 130bhp. Our best guesses is a max power output of around the 140bhp mark. We also believe that the bike will get a very similar chassis to the CBR1000RR to really make an impact on the big nakeds market. Honda has got the CBF1000 for the sensible types so no problem to make the big Hornet both powerful and sporty.

[WickedOne]

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[Mr. Peanut]

Fuck Japanese bikes are ugly.

[ceebie13]

Fuck Japanese bikes are ugly.

Hail, oh master of the sweeping statement!

[jeremyb]

Oooh thats ugly!

[pritch]

Where is the SV650 competitor?

Eh? The 600 Hornet is generally rated better than the SV650 in the tests I've seen. Not that the SV650 is bad, the Hornet just edges it out, and all the other 650s (except the Speed Four when it was current).

The Hornet 600 had an update to the current CBR engine as well as usd forks etc but the 600 had carbs so had to be updated to meet emissions controls. The CB900F already has injection so there is not the same pressing need to update it.

In Europe, of course, they also have the choice of the made-in-Italy CBF1000.

On the other hand the whole Honda range has been around for a long time now.
How about a V4 CBR1000RR?

[limbimtimwim]

Eh? The 600 Hornet is generally rated better than the SV650 in the tests I've seen. Not that the SV650 is bad, the Hornet just edges it out, and all the other 650s (except the Speed Four when it was current). I was thinking a 600ccish twin. The old Bros doesn't count, it is not in production. And it has 3 valves per cylinder... The Hornet 600 is really a competitor to the GSR600, the FZ6 and the Z750. Some people don't like 4 cylinders, and my eye sees shitloads of SV650s out there, and more Kawasaki ER-6 thingies than Yamaha FZ6es and Kawasaki Z750s despite the ER-6 being a newer model, so people are voting with their wallets on that one.

And blue-wing don't sell it here anyway. I had a go on a 600 hornet once, it was better than a 919 Hornet because it wasn't as good. If you follow. Kinda like a vacuum cleaner with a seat and two wheels.
The Hornet 600 had an update to the current CBR engine as well as usd forks etc but the 600 had carbs so had to be updated to meet emissions controls. The CB900F already has injection so there is not the same pressing need to update it.And they have probably fucked it in the process. Leave the CBR600 engine in un-altered for gods sake.
On the other hand the whole Honda range has been around for a long time now.Yes, and it is the most boring range of motorcycles out there at the moment.
How about a V4 CBR1000RR?That would be called an RVF1000. They don't make it. They won't. There is more of a chance of a MotoGP replica being made than that. Because Honda is boring us to death these days. Perhaps I could find a VF1000R and shove that engine into a old Foxeye Fireblade frame to make life interesting.

Hmm..

Project.

[TONO]

I ride a Suzuki because I have always liked Suzuki or Yamaha but everybody seems to always be bagging Honda, why? they do their job and they certainly get the results on the race tracks.....is it because they are the oldest/biggest/ what?

[limbimtimwim]

I ride a Suzuki because I have always liked Suzuki or Yamaha but everybody seems to always be bagging Honda, why? they do their job and they certainly get the results on the race tracks.....is it because they are the oldest/biggest/ what?For me, I think it is because it is hard to generate lust over the current models.

I like lots of past Honda models, my old RVF :love: :love:, the RC30 and the RC45, the original model GL1000, the CB750, an 80's XL250. Always thought the SP1 and SP2 were cool.

I mean, do many watch SBK and dribble all over the fireblade?

Do I still want a RC45? Hell yes.

[Hitcher]

Ooh look. It's Ruben Xaus on an old Honda!

[limbimtimwim]

Ooh look. It's Ruben Xaus on an old Honda!You are trolling me, right?

That's Aaron Slight, from Masterton.

[Hitcher]

You are trolling me, right?

http://www.worldsbk.com/rider.php?p_S_Campionato=SBK&p_Anno=2007&p_Conduttore=658

Check out his race number.

[cowpoos]

http://www.worldsbk.com/rider.php?p_S_Campionato=SBK&p_Anno=2007&p_Conduttore=658

Check out his race number.
thats Aarons old number!! and that is Aaron

[cowpoos]

everybody seems to always be bagging Honda, why? they do their job and they certainly get the results on the race tracks

the cost of making a honda compeditive on a race track is rediculass compared to the other brands and is in no way at all a comparision to their road going bikes!!!

[Scouse]

Saw this a while ago (not sure where I saw it but did save it), I would buy one at the drop of a hat....

Along with a revamped CB600F Hornet, Honda is expected to dump the old CBR engine in the CB900F and bring out a heftier version of the CBF1000 engine for a brand new CB1000F Hornet. Styling will be more adventurous than the CBF hopefully. A CBF1000 engine means the latest generation Fireblade genes, but with much more than 100bhp this time. To bring it up to the level of the competition from Yamaha FZ1 and Kawasaki Z1000 it needs more than 130bhp. Our best guesses is a max power output of around the 140bhp mark. We also believe that the bike will get a very similar chassis to the CBR1000RR to really make an impact on the big nakeds market. Honda has got the CBF1000 for the sensible types so no problem to make the big Hornet both powerful and sporty.They have all got a long way to go to be as good as a Speed Triple

[Maha]

They have all got a long way to go to be as good as a Speed Triple

Cant be arsed reading the whole thread so i can only go on what you say Steve.....(and the nutshell version is always best) so fuck yeah!!!!!......:Punk:

[limbimtimwim]

thats Aarons old number!! and that is AaronHim and Xaus have something in common though, always the 'nearly man' on the field. A shame for Slight, he was good enough, but it never worked out for him :(

[limbimtimwim]

Perhaps I could find a VF1000R and shove that engine into a old Foxeye Fireblade frame to make life interesting.

Hmm..

Project.HELLO!!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-95635619.htm

Now that is what Honda should be looking at for inspiration these days on how to build something people are interested in....

[R6_kid]

raptors and rockets make shit up all the time, hardly any of their 'mockup's have come to fruition.

[Zapf]

CB900 Hornet .... add CBR954 Motor add better frame add optional mini fairing = one very good bike

[ceebie13]

Is this what we've all been talking about???

[limbimtimwim]

What's that?

[ceebie13]

What's that?

Supposedly, it's the new Honda Hornet 1000.

[limbimtimwim]

Supposedly, it's the new Honda Hornet 1000.And where'd you get that picture from?

[Kendog]

Supposedly, it's the new Honda Hornet 1000.

That looks like it has potential.

[The Pastor]

looks like a homosexual.

[Trudes]

Looks quite cool!!

[ceebie13]

And where'd you get that picture from?

Here:

http://www.cmgonline.com/articles/CMG05/news/050708/

[skelstar]

Brilliant. That 'news' page has a guy sitting on a toilet as the main banner and it asks "is this the new Hornet?"

Looks like its the current Hornet with a CBR600RR/1000RR tail section on it...the red and white has been photoshopped.

[edit] - it should also be noted that in the same block they say:

Other rumours include a big update to the VFR800 and the long-standing persistent rumour of a new Blackbird (c'mon, it's gotta happen in 2006 surely!)."

...and theres news about Ducati maybe making their 999 bigger! :shit:

[limbimtimwim]

...and theres news about Ducati maybe making their 999 bigger! :shit:They were almost bang on the money with the "daytona 680" a few stories below the 1000cc hornet.

[demeritim]

I hav it on good authority that yes there is a hornet 1000 based on the blade coming out as early as next year as for that pic who knows not even dealers yet. My guess is it would look more like the new 600 hornet which is very horny!

[timorang]

I hav it on good authority that yes there is a hornet 1000 based on the blade coming out as early as next year as for that pic who knows not even dealers yet. My guess is it would look more like the new 600 hornet which is very horny!

Gosh I hope you are right. I love my 900 - best bike I have owned, and despite looking at (and buying) other bikes I have not found anything I would replace it with. The new Bandit gets close, but a Hornet Thou' would definately get me into the Honda dealer to talk turkey.

[Warr]

http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/2008/CB1000R/360/index.html

Possibly as early as April!! But lets hold the excitement ??
Apparently feature rich, so wont be the bargain pricing of the 900's

[Zapf]

real question is, what does it offer above and beyond the current 900 Hornet...

if its same same but different. why do I want one that cost more?

[xwhatsit]

Is that a Hornet, though? CB1000R... I thought the Hornet was an F model. Perhaps I'm blind and couldn't read any mention of `Hornet' on the page.

It doesn't seem very Hornet-y, looks very CB1300 Muscle-bikish instead.

[Kendog]

And what is up with the dash, looks like a space ship.

[skelstar]

why do I want one that cost more?
Looks 10x more modern for a start. Can't say that people don't buy bikes predominately on looks.

Same front suss as the new fireblade.

[Coyote]

Inverted forks, single sided swingarm, radiator shrouds, sharp lines, new engine, it's good.

[NZsarge]

Inverted forks, single sided swingarm, radiator shrouds, sharp lines, new engine, it's good.

Yeah I agree......all accept the radiator shroud which I think is naff, the pipe ain't all that flash either but I'm betting at will be a goer.

[Coyote]

Yeah I agree......all accept the radiator shroud which I think is naff, the pipe ain't all that flash either but I'm betting at will be a goer.
Yeah, I don't like how the tank baloons out a bit rather than there being a straight line from front of the tank to the shrouds, but on the whole I like them.

I'd replace the headlight unti first, then maybe the pipe. I'd get the pipe to go round the other side or a buell-like muffler underneath to show off the rear wheel which would be painted white.

Hornet's are made to be modded afterall.

[HornetBoy]

Is that a Hornet, though? CB1000R... I thought the Hornet was an F model. Perhaps I'm blind and couldn't read any mention of `Hornet' on the page.

It doesn't seem very Hornet-y, looks very CB1300 Muscle-bikish instead.

yep your right im sure its not hornet either ,as you say the hornet is an f model .

[limbimtimwim]

real question is, what does it offer above and beyond the current 900 Hornet...
if its same same but different. why do I want one that cost more?It's not the same. It looks interesting, good or bad it doesn't matter because it at least creates conversation. A standard hornet can roll down a busy street and go unnoticed if it is quiet. That thing in 'dragon green metallic' will get the occasional gawk.

USD front forks, not really with the effort really, but they look cool. Same with the single-sided swingarm. Flashy brakes are worth the effort though. The 919 shares brakes with my 1996 vintage 400, which were great in 1996 but passe style wise in 2008. No argument they work fine though.

Though Honda say the engine is 'based' on the CBR1000 engine. Which is a crying shame, it's utterly brilliant the way it is. The next fireblade engine probably is even more awesome. 'based' usually means 'strangled'. But then, Suzuki apparently haven't killed the Hayabusa engine in the B-King, so there is hope yet.

I look forward to taking it for a spin.

[MD]

I like those sites where you can rotate the picture like that. Yes, yes, little things amuse me...That's why I ride 600s.
That's a smart looking bike, especially in white :clap:. They've done a good job styling the muffler considering they have to be large to meet regulations.

[skelstar]

Was looking at Deano's Repsol the other day and the brakes appeared to look the same as the Hornet, Simon. I could be wrong... would expect the Repsol brakes to be radially mounted anyway.

[Deano]

Was looking at Deano's Repsol the other day

Just looking or drooling bro ?

[vifferman]

USD front forks, not really with the effort really, but they look cool.
It depends - a good set of conventional forks will be better than some cheap, badly set up USDs, but usually USDs are better, with less unsprung weight.

Same with the single-sided swingarm.
SSSAs look kewl, but they generally add unsprung weight and no practical benefits apart from easy(ish) chain adjustment and wheel removal.


Flashy brakes are worth the effort though. The 919 shares brakes with my 1996 vintage 400, which were great in 1996 but passe style wise in 2008. No argument they work fine though.
So, it's just about style?


Though Honda say the engine is 'based' on the CBR1000 engine. Which is a crying shame, it's utterly brilliant the way it is. The next fireblade engine probably is even more awesome. 'based' usually means 'strangled'.
Often, but not necessarily. Frequently it means that it's been given reworked cams and fueling to provide a softer top end and more mid-range torque, which is great for "real world" riding. If you're not riding a repli-racer and screaming around at 37,000 rpm on a track, what use is a strong hit at the top end?

[limbimtimwim]

Was looking at Deano's Repsol the other day and the brakes appeared to look the same as the Hornet, Simon. I could be wrong... would expect the Repsol brakes to be radially mounted anyway.You must be a little hard of seeing because the cbr1000's brakes are completely different from the one my rvf and the ones on the cb919. The cbr1000's are radially mounted as you surmise.

The difference in feel between the rvf and new style radial brakes is quite different. Radial brakes are a genuine improvement. I can't see how they do a better job, but they feel much better.

[limbimtimwim]

It depends - a good set of conventional forks will be better than some cheap, badly set up USDs, but usually USDs are better, with less unsprung weight.Don't forget the frame needs to be stiffer for USD forks too. So it can weigh more, or can be a more complicated assembly, or it can be built out of more exotic material. No matter what way you cut it, it looks better but costs more.
SSSAs look kewl, but they generally add unsprung weight and no practical benefits apart from easy(ish) chain adjustment and wheel removal.Yes I know quite well. In fact, I am dissapointed to see that the cb1000 has the 4 stud centre instead of the single castellated nut. Why? 'Cos it looks cooler. Ducati put one on the 1098 for style reasons. They put one on the 748/916 for style reasons too. They admit it.
So, it's just about style?Fuckin' aye. Image counts. Honda's are seen as old fuddy duddy's bikes. They need to bling it up bad to keep up with the gixxer set. That bike is kinda blingy, it wears the technology on the outside.
Often, but not necessarily. Frequently it means that it's been given reworked cams and fueling to provide a softer top end and more mid-range torque, which is great for "real world" riding. If you're not riding a repli-racer and screaming around at 37,000 rpm on a track, what use is a strong hit at the top end?Have you ever ridden a CBR1000? That engine needs no help to make it more user friendly. It is utterly stupendous the way it is, lots of power everywhere. 'Reworking' risks totally ruining it. Honda already compromised peak power for power everywhere already with that engine.

[skelstar]

Just looking or drooling bro ?
A mixture of apathy and pity :)

[limbimtimwim]

A mixture of apathy and pity :)Dude, I just won lotto and was going to give you a repsol. I'll make sure the battery is good.

But since you don't want it....

[vifferman]

I am dissapointed to see that the cb1000 has the 4 stud centre instead of the single castellated nut. Why? 'Cos it looks cooler.
Ducati put one on the 1098 for style reasons. They put one on the 748/916 for style reasons too. They admit it.Fuckin' aye. Image counts. Honda's are seen as old fuddy duddy's bikes.
That hub is lifted straight off the VFR800, which is strange, because they seem to have designed a new swingarm and wheel.
To be honest, of the bikes with SSSAs on the market, the Honda has the ugliest one. Kinda disappointing.

Have you ever ridden a CBR1000?
Only the 1997 or 1998 model, so I was just pulling stuff out of my arse.
As usual.

[limbimtimwim]

Cool.

Let's get drunk.

I'm winning.

Oh look, it's 3:30, so I can go home now!

[skelstar]

But since you don't want it....
I'm too slow to ride a Fireblade... besides I have a new battery now!

[Insanity_rules]

Thats 100% FireBlade frame/swingarm and running gear there.
Someone having a play with photoshop perhaps?

My god, your right. hope its real though.

[Higgledy]

http://www.honda-geneve.com/catalog/index.shtml
Have found R&R pretty good ie; Z1000, GSX1250 and xb12ss.
I think its more the concepts that don't deliver.
:scooter:

[Fatjim]

the cost of making a honda compeditive on a race track is rediculass compared to the other brands and is in no way at all a comparision to their road going bikes!!!

That may be so, but its a better investment if you have the readies.

Whats the point on saving a few bucks and coming second on a GSXR or ZX10r? Actually, I don't even think they came second that much in the WSB.

[Harry the Barstard]

Im led to believe your lookin at a honda 599. I was reading some bike mag and there was a write up for the new hornet and it had picks that looked more like the new kwaka z1000. Allso it was named the CB1000R not the F. Think it said around 998cc or so.... it was a wee bit higher than the 919cc of the F.

http://www.gizmag.com/2008-honda-cb1000r/8307/

Heres the site it was on.