Wet weather riding gear

[Keystone19]

Time for a poll.

Do you prefer waterproof cordura or leather with a rain suit over the top in rainy weather?

I'm just going through this debate at the moment as my Spidi cordura trousers have finally gone beyond the point of waterproofing. I was considering going for a 2 piece leather riding suit and just getting waterproofs to go over the top. One reason was because I think leather is safer than cordura, but waterproof cordura is just so easy...

Thoughts?

[yungatart]

I have both and I don't really care which one I wear as long as I stay dry....not much help to you really, sorry.

[mstriumph]

wet weather? my preferred option is the car


..... must be getting old ... :no:

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I have been tossing up on cordura pants myself, however my spidi jacket, after 7 years, plus a couple of "offs" is torn and has lost its waterproofing so I better replace that first. But I have a rainsuit which is wonderful - feel like an elephant in it but who cares rather be dry!!

[MidnightMike]

wet weather? my preferred option is the car


:shit:





Im just gald i get a free bus to school :dodge:

[MyGSXF]

Yeah.. I have my leathers.. which are by far the safest.. :yes: plus a good, & slightly padded wet weather 2 piece suit to go over the top.. look like Mrs Mitchelin.. :shutup: but hey.. I'm warm & dry on the inside! :Punk:

[The Stranger]

Leather is good.
Takes half an hour of light/medium raing to penetrate it anyway, so most times you don't need wets.

I have a Shift jacket that I can put on over the top with my helmet on in a few seconds and a cheap pair of vented leggings from the warehouse. Both the jacket and leggings fit under the seat.

Damn site easier than a one piece rain suit.

[The Stranger]

I have been tossing up on cordura pants myself

You have???

[Street Gerbil]

Dririder summer mesh jacket with nylon waterproof layer works fine for me.

[RC1]

:shit: IS IT RAINING :scratch:

[Macktheknife]

Personally I prefer Cordura if I am going to be out in the weather for any length of time, if it is just a short rain while out riding leather is fine. However, if I have to tour in the rain I really want to be in Cordura because even after 6 hours in pissing rain, I am still warm and dry.

[Krusti]

Up untill this year have always worn leather with oil skin vest and thrown on wet weather gear when needed. Normally too lazy to stop and got home wet!

Splashed out this year on a pair of Spidi GT pants. Expensive, but after using them on some long wet trips I love them. Only problem is that I hate how they slide around with the liner in. Have not used the liner since new and can only imagine that it would only be needed in the most severe cold.

Was wanting a Spidi GT jacket but there is not an xxl in the country. Spidi have decided that we kiwis should be reminded how fat we are so all thier sizes are at least one size up. Got a good price on a Spidi Mile jacket. Very dry and warm. Allthough I would still love a GT jacket.

Only problem I have is that I sweat easily and on a warm day I sweat like crazy inside the jacket and end up riding with the cuffs unzipped and neck a little open. In hot weather the inside of the jacket with liner out feels like plastic. Have started wearing a Merino wool long sleeve singlet underneath and though this seems like a silly idea in the warm I find it keeps the sweat away the best.

Textile jackets don't look as cool as leather but the older I get the less I care.

[kiwifruit]

Time for a poll.

Do you prefer waterproof cordura or leather with a rain suit over the top in rainy weather?

I'm just going through this debate at the moment as my Spidi cordura trousers have finally gone beyond the point of waterproofing. I was considering going for a 2 piece leather riding suit and just getting waterproofs to go over the top. One reason was because I think leather is safer than cordura, but waterproof cordura is just so easy...

Thoughts?

One piece leathers, as long its not cold.

[James Deuce]

How about, "None of the options listed"?

[Ixion]

I used to always use cordura in the rain. Until I rode back from Loose bruces funeral. It is fine in light to medium density rain for short to moderate periods. But heavy rain for any period, nothing is better than a one piece rain suit over leathers. Get a dear one, cause they have hidden vents that dont let water in (under a series of flaps etc), and a neat diagonal zip system that channels water away to the side of you.
Boots... well thats a different story.

No such thing as waterproof boots. Like an honest politician - possible in theory but never seen in this world

What you need are GAITERS. From your friendly Army Surplus store, opposite the billboard of the ho with the hootin' honkers. Just run a cord from your dick to the front brake lever, and you'll be certain to stop in the right place.

[paturoa]

When I bought my cordura I asked the sales peps - water proof? Yes they say. Bollocks I say!

Anway got a 2 piece cheapo wets over Technic from motomail outlet store at kingsland, and they are great except after a while if it is warn the sweat builds up from the inside.

[NhuanH]

Results in from Jandal Tour 07:
Leathers, with rain jacket and trou - 1
Cordura jacket - 0

And that was *some* wet weather riding!

[T.W.R]

Just use my leathers with a Rjays 1piece wet weather suit over the top. It's stood upto some pretty heavy down pours with no leakage :yes:

Occasionally use a HUNTECH wading jacket over my leather jacket, works well & have been caught in a wicked down pour just with that & it took it with no problems. It's shelter -XP hydrophilic polyurethane waterproof/breathable membrane.

[far queue]

In the past I've used 2 piece leathers with a one piece rain suit over the top in the rain. But I came home from the Brass Monkey last year in pissing rain while wearing a Dririder Rallycross jacket with leather pants and PVC leggings. I was very impressed with how well the jacket worked - I was bone dry after a couple of hours in the rain, bottom half was fine too. Now I have a pair of spool cordura pants as well which will get their 1st run this weekend - the Mokihinui rally on the West Coast and the forecast is for rain all weekend. I'll let you how I got on when I get back.

The idea of not having to stop to put wets on appeals to me.

As for boots, I use Stylmartin Stormy's. They keep me dry too - after 9 years I've just retired them and the replacement Stormy's will get their baptism this weekend too.

[NinjaBoy]

Results in from Jandal Tour 07:
Leathers, with rain jacket and trou - 1
Cordura jacket - 0

And that was *some* wet weather riding!

wondered how long before you posted something.

I'm with Speedie, full rain suit - 2 piece is more convenient - is best for long heavy rain. However, if you're just commuting then a cordura jacket is OK and I feel more comfortable. You know you can get that srpay on water repellent stuff !

[Leong]

Leather is good.
Takes half an hour of light/medium raing to penetrate it anyway, so most times you don't need wets.

I have a Shift jacket that I can put on over the top with my helmet on in a few seconds and a cheap pair of vented leggings from the warehouse. Both the jacket and leggings fit under the seat.

Damn site easier than a one piece rain suit.

Agreed, most times when I've been caught in the rain on a trip I haven't bothered putting the one piece rain suit on. Too uncomfortable and difficult. My Spidi leathers seem quite rain resistant.


wet weather? my preferred option is the car


..... must be getting old ... :no:

For commuting this is my preferred option too!!

[SpinFx]

You cant beat leather for safety, if Slippery when wet ....just throw on bright yellow rain gear so you can be easily seen and safe. Simple really.

[vamr]

No such thing as waterproof boots. Like an honest politician - possible in theory but never seen in this world

What you need are GAITERS. From your friendly Army Surplus store, opposite the billboard of the ho with the hootin' honkers. Just run a cord from your dick to the front brake lever, and you'll be certain to stop in the right place.

Mmmm, peeling paint.

May seem random but I found it interesting never the less... on the top floor of the Auckland City Libraries building on the left hand side is the Special Collections in the lobby of which, at the moment, is a display of 50s to 70s(?) ephemera, newspaper cartoons and illustrations.

The reason it came to mind is on the far wall are ink illustrations of the Auckland CBD and the majority of the buildings no longer exist (APART FROM THAT DAMN HOOTERS BILLBOARD!).

[boomer]

I used to always use cordura in the rain. Until I rode back from Loose bruces funeral. It is fine in light to medium density rain for short to moderate periods. But heavy rain for any period, nothing is better than a one piece rain suit over leathers. Get a dear one, cause they have hidden vents that dont let water in (under a series of flaps etc), and a neat diagonal zip system that channels water away to the side of you.
Boots... well thats a different story.

hey that reminds me... you still owe me some moolah for teh suit you ripped before you even got outta teh shop :P

bloody good...dry, warm and worth every penny.. i'm with Speedie on this one

[jafar]

I have found that cordura works best, Dririder jacket has yet to leak & rjays pants fit over the top of my boots so i get little or no leakage there either.
Leather gets heavy & COLD when wet & is a bitch to dry,where cordura doesn't have this problem.

[Black Bandit]

You can buy waterproof gear?:gob:

So far if I'm ever caught in serious rain the water always gets in somewhere. Have one-piece dry suit which fails around the collar. And feet get wet once the boots soak through. And hands get wet once the gloves soak through.
I guess there are only limited preventative measures one can take.

[Keystone19]

This is an interestingly close poll!

Guess it means that there isn't really a right answer to the question and what works for some doesn't work for others!

[Maverick]

I used to ride in leather, but the problem is that if you are a commuter and it is your only option, when leather finally does get wet, it stays wet, for a long time. Putting on cold damp leathers in the morning isnt the most enjoyable way to start the journey to work. at least cordura keeps you pretty dry and drys out quickly in time for work the next day again.


Mav :cool:

[kiwifruit]

plastic bags over socks under socks for dry feet

[Daffyd]

My 100% waterproof Cordura leaked first time out in a downpour.
Now I use a Dri-rider one piece rainsuit and overgloves by Rain-off.
www.rain-off.com (NZ made). Stay dry now.

[shafty]

As well as Cordura, I fit a subtle adjustment of the lectrik screen button works, - stops the ashtray fluttering and keeps the drink tray steady on the Orient Express.......

[Zapf]

also depends on the trip, if its a long trip then it'll leathers with water proofs. If its just around town then Cordura it is.

[dogsnbikes]

As I believe no day is too wet for a ride..I wear cordura but have a two piece wet weather suit also and use snowboarding glove outers which fit well over my leather gloves and none of the outer shell is restricting

So I am always bone dry and warm:sunny:

[Hitcher]

The magic word isn't "Cordura". The magic word is "GoreTex". Cordura itself is as waterproof as denim. No waterproof/breathable liner, no stay dry in the rain.

[Brett]

I wear my leather jacket with a back pack below a camo green heavy duty rain coat, and some identical pants that I wear over my Barker office black pants...and the jacket has a hood which goes under my helmet. I stay 100% dry no matter how hard it rains. It is bloody good, I will post the brand of the rain gear tomorrow.
However, just because I could, I commuted like a soft arse with the wife in the car today...:dodge:

[Pumba]

Ive been using a Warehouse Light jackets and pants over my leathers since I got them. They have worked well so far but it is still a little bit of a pain in the arse getting them on and off.

I am thinking of getting a cordara jacket for comuting in. Never got wet in my old one.

[BUNGY]

:shit:





Im just gald i get a free bus to school :dodge:

:sick:

Thats just sad Mike. Buses are the scum of the earth, just one big, giant cage.

[danchop]

i think it all depends on brand and where its made,chinese made stuff will always leak i reckon but stuff like spidi,bmw doesnt so much,its all a case of you get what you pay for,although ive been out all day in this rain with a cheap pair of very light overpants and got home at 6pm and my crutch was still dry and this amazed me

[shafty]

plastic bags over socks under socks for dry feet

** ******Shafty reminisces dripping BIG puddles in McDonalds, Taupo, putting supermarket bags in his boots, with fresh socks enroute to collecting the Mighty ST** ****

[shafty]

:sick:

Thats just sad Mike. Buses are the scum of the earth, just one big, giant cage.

.................unless it's Ernie, Tauranga's resident Party Bus, www.funbus.co.nz - where there's been more tit flashes than a nudist camp!:Punk:

[kiwifruit]

.................unless it's Ernie, Tauranga's resident Party Bus, www.funbus.co.nz - where there's been more tit flashes than a nudist camp!:Punk:

whoa!
go Ernie = )

could be a goer for a tauranga thursday night xmas do

[shafty]

(laughs out lowd) - so long as ya lean on the corners, but then again, most punters do, lol

[Trudes]

How about, "None of the options listed"?


I have to ask Jim, is this because there's no option for "when it rains, I ride in the nude"?:dodge:

I prefer to ride with my leather jacket with Warehouse water proof coat over top (which sweats like a pig, and yes I know pigs don't sweat), and my Belstaff cordura pants, which I've ridden in some pretty good downpours and have stayed completely dry, even in the crouch!! I've also discovered that my Sidi Rose boots are pretty damn water 'resistant' too, haven't had wet feet in those either, yet!!

[ManDownUnder]

This is an interestingly close poll!

Guess it means that there isn't really a right answer to the question and what works for some doesn't work for others!

Looks that way. I don't know if you've ever tried the rainproof suit option (over leather, corduras - whatever) PM me - you're welcome to borrow one for a day or two over the w/e

[ManDownUnder]

I have to ask Jim, is this because there's no option for "when it rains, I ride in the nude"?:dodge:


Don't do it. Come off like that and you'll be fucked. Seriously fucked if you've got a number of riders behind you (numbers obviously influence things here).

[The Stranger]

and have stayed completely dry, even in the crouch!!!!

Obviously not riding fast enough.

[Pwalo]

My Teknic jackets (summer and winter) have never let me down in the wet. I've got a cheap pair of Orina lined overtrousers(with knee armour), which I spray a couple of times during the winter months.

My wet weather gloves are RJays recommended to me by the lads at TSS which are short enough to fit inside my jacket sleeves, and like wise have never let me down. I usually give them a water proofing when I deal to my overtrou.

Works for me. I've used leather jackets in the past, but I'm a lazy bum, and the synthetic gear is so much easier. Especially when you ride in the place that defines changeable weather.

[vifferman]

For years, I rode with a cheap two-piece rainsuit over leather, It was awkward, uncomfortable, flapped badly in the wind (twice blowing out the zipper), and didn't actually keep me very dry. Plus the pants made me slide around on the seat.

I tried (briefly) a one-piece suit over my gear. The rationale was that it was light, waterproof, cheap ($100), and if I carried it with me, I'd be safe from D'Auckland's unpredictable sub-monsoonal climate.

This was a DISASTER. Yes, it was 100% waterproof, and specifically designed for bikers (zip right down one leg, stretchy bits, etc) but it was still awkward to get on, and if there was even the faintest glimmer of solar radiation, it worked like one of those "boil in the bag" chook-cookers.
Of all the things I've ever bought, this was the most hated item. It still makes me perspire to think about it...

I remember seeing a biker on the northern m'way wearing a Teknic jacket. I was very dubious how much protection it would offer, and inwardly sneered at the idea, but a seed had been planted...
One day, not long after, I finally twigged that the leather jacket was shite: it didn't keep me particularly warm in Winter, was too hot in Summer, and had good abrasion resistance but that was all (no armour). So, I went shopping to "see what I could see" and ended up buying a Teknic Hurricane jacket identical to the one I'd sneered at!

I wore my leather jacket once after that, then sold it on TardMe.

When I crash-tested my jacket (more than once), Kerrie at MSW rebuilt it with leather overlays on the sleeves and shoulders. I've crash-tested these, and they're excellent. Now I have abrasion resistance AND all-weather protection.

Pants.
For years (3? 6? 4.24?) I wore some excellent Motoline overtrou over my leather pants. These are light, 100% waterproof (vinyl-coated nylon with seam-sealing). They worked very well, but I felt uncomfortable with the lack of seat grip they afforded, and disliked having to put them on for that reason. However, I'd still be wearing this combo, except I finally twigged that my leather pants were killing my knees on long trips, due to the extra Knox armour I'd had Kerrie add to them. I looked at several replacement options, and although I really liked the Macna pants with leather panels in the right places, the fit wasn't as good as the Spidi GranTurismo pants I ended up buying from Motohaus. These are pretty good: really comfy, well-armoured (knees and hips), have a leather panel on the seat for grip and abrasion resistance, another on the inside of the lower legs, thigh vents and a zip-out thermal liner. They're not perfect, because they need leather on the knees and hips. I may get Kerrie to do this sometime.

I haven't replaced my jacket yet, because incredibly there's NOTHING on the market that's comparable! What I want is something that doesn't rely on a waterproof liner for waterproofing (the Hurricane uses an outer fabric that's waterproof/breathable), that has leather on the vulnerable areas, lots of vent zips, and good armour. The nearest I've come to this is the Spidi OnRoad, which is waterproof leather, but it is short of vents for summer.

Gloves
I want some Spidi Sport Comp waterproof. I've got Spidi Ravens, which are excellent, but the cuff is too small.

Boots
StylMartin StylSafe. Fantastic boots: comfy, waterproof, well armoured, well priced. The only thing I wished they had was more toe protection.

I'm now at the point where all I have to do if the weather turns is change from my crappy Dri-Rider glubs to the Spidis to be completely dry and warm.

[Devil]

Cordura anyday. My stuff is great. Carting extra layers of waterproof gear is a pain in the arse.

[Horney1]

I've ridden many years and thousands upon thousands of ks with a leather jacket and during that time I've spent many many hours riding in extremely heavy and continuous rain (often at speed and sometimes when nearly everyone has choosen or been warned to stay at home). I'd go the leather any day. Throw a can of bees wax into it on a nice warm day and it takes at least an hour for the rain to penetrate a little bit. If you should be unfortunate enough to have an off it'll still keep the rain out to, no torn gortex or stretched urethane layers. If the weather gets too bad or you're in for a long ride a pvc jacket (or similarily waterproof) over the top will see you right for hours.

I find the worst thing is the gloves, the leather is usually thinner and softer and doesn't really keep the water out enough. I've found synthetics not too bad in that area.

[KoroJ]

Road last years 1000 miler and back to Wgtn (which included hours in everthing from sunshine through drizel to pissing down) in Spool Jacket, Tecknic Pants, Sidi Boots & Spidi Gloves.

My balaclava got slightly damp.

[McJim]

I've tried the whole "Ride every day come rain or shine" approach but found the combination of cyclonic rain storm and night in the CBD makes visibility so impossible that I bounce the front wheel off kerbs I can't see.

Hence in heavy rain I use a car again.

I know....I'm a woose.

[mark247]

Yeah, I have to say i just use the car as well usually. Just the idea of wet roads puts me off quite a bit anyway, esspecially in town.

[JayRacer37]

wet weather? my preferred option is the car


..... must be getting old ... :no:

Seconded. Riding road bikes on race rubber (one of my bad habits...) in the wet doesn't fill me with joy. So I just take the car...thats why we have them.

[Dodgyiti]

I use a quality 2 piece waterproof suit over the top of my leather pants and jacket. Keeps the worst rain out, and when I get somewhere I leave the rain suit over the jacket and pants an take them off as one- easy as cordura- plus the rainsuit material dries faster and if its sunny again you can go back to dry leathers- whereas the cordura will still be wet for a while and your wearing it still.
Safety of leathers, convenience of something that drys fast and packs up small.:rockon:

[Titanium]

IF I ever get caught riding in the rain ...... I can count 2 times in 10 months of riding.

I leave on the Quaismoto Leather jacket and pants but put my cordura jacket and pants over the top, if really wet.

I have removed all the padding and armour from my cordura so it is not so bulky over the leather.

Warm, dry ... mmmmm nice.

:yes: :scooter:

[oldrider]

We have been using our current leathers and rain suits since about 1987. (20yrs)

They have been great but mine are getting a bit knackered now and don't fit me very well.

They have (Hers and mine) been through two fairly serious offs and the rain suits have got a few holes here and there and the odd mud stain but they still work OK. (with occasional silicone respray)

The rain suits were made in Taiwan and have no brand name on them and the leathers were made in Pakistan, I think!

The leathers get a re-do with "Backhouse" or "Snowseal" about now (Autumn) ready for the winter and I prefer Snowseal the best, especially on the gloves and boots.

The rain-suits get a spray with, "Silicone Water-guard" and that seems to work for about a year or so.

We often don't stop and put the rain suits on in showery conditions because the leather dries out between showers from the wind while riding.

The only thing that attracts me toward the cadura (sp) suits is that they look a lot more flexible and comfortable, not to mention, "smart" and I would like to get one for Mrs O/R but she says we can't afford it so I am forced not to buy her one!

The other thing that puts us off the expense of new gear is, so many people we have ridden with in cadura suits get wetter than we do, even though our gear is getting old and tatty.

I did borrow my son in law's DriRider suit one day and I really wouldn't have minded keeping it but it was a bit too big for me and of course so is he, so I gave it back when he asked for it! (it didn't rain while I was in it)

We have often wondered about the benefits of cadora over leather and this poll looks as if it is just a matter of "personal choice" rather than one clear winner standing out. :yes: Cheers John.

PS: I voted for what I do rather than what I prefer because frankly, I just don't know what's best!

[SixPackBack]

After the recent storm and my leathers getting completely drenched I decided to look into buying a one piece over suit.
So it was off to cycletreads for a fit up.
After trying 6 different sets on the sweat was dripping off me, most are a real struggle to get into with zips and Velcro on the legs, body, wrists and neck. When I had eventually suited up to my satisfaction I looked like the michelin man. Riding home however was dry and warm while still having the satisfaction of knowing should I arse off the leather would still protect me.

[Kinje]

My Cordura gear seems to stand up OK to the rains, unless it starts really coming down. In heavy rain there is a little rain gets in around the top of pants and bottom of jacket.

The worst case of this was experienced on the Takas going to Wgtn for the weekend. That was particularly heavy rain, and you could see the wind gusts blowing the surface water lying on the road- so being a bit wet was the least of my worries at that time! And there was a cop parked by the 70km/hr sign going into Upper Hutt to warn you of the 10-20cm deep water flowing across the road.

[inlinefour]

Time for a poll.

Do you prefer waterproof cordura or leather with a rain suit over the top in rainy weather?

I'm just going through this debate at the moment as my Spidi cordura trousers have finally gone beyond the point of waterproofing. I was considering going for a 2 piece leather riding suit and just getting waterproofs to go over the top. One reason was because I think leather is safer than cordura, but waterproof cordura is just so easy...

Thoughts?
Got one of those suits that fits over your normal riding gear. All good when its wet and cold, but its ferkin hot and sweaty when its warm. Dunno what I'm going to do with my riding gear now I can't ride, any suggestions?

[festus]

Real bikers wear leather!!.............

[inlinefour]

Real bikers wear leather!!.............

and wise bikers put on a one piece wet weather suit over top... :yes:

[Rhino]

and wise bikers put on a one piece wet weather suit over top... :yes:
I would totally agree. I normally ride with a leather jacket and Cordura pants, while ScorpyGirl has leather jacket and pants. We both have one piece rain siuits and they are brilliant. We have ridden in total downpours and been absolutely dry.

Spend the money on good gear and it is worth it.:yes:

[inlinefour]

I would totally agree. I normally ride with a leather jacket and Cordura pants, while ScorpyGirl has leather jacket and pants. We both have one piece rain siuits and they are brilliant. We have ridden in total downpours and been absolutely dry.

Spend the money on good gear and it is worth it.:yes:


They are not that expensive from memory either...

[pevs]

Spend the money on good gear and it is worth it.:yes:
The more I spent on wet weather gear the more upset I got when that first bit of rain got to me nether regions! The only real answer i found was to buy a barn door style fairing and hide behind it. Oh.. make sure whatever stuff you buy is breathe-able otherwise you'll just get clammy and sweaty.

[FlyingDutchMan]

Leather and snoseal is the way to go. I've used cordura in the past with waterproofing spray but the water still soaks though in 10 mins in heavy rain.

Just before Xmas I purchased some brand new gloves specifically requesting water proof ones. They were cordura ones. When I was coming back from my NI holiday, I encounted a a pre-dawn southerly storming its ways up the east coast of the SI. I was quite a heavy deluge and even had the excitement of encountering hail. My hands got soaked through in less than a minute, but the leathers (two piece) which I had spent a few hours snosealing stayed drier than I thought possible. The only places they leaked was where the stretchy fabric was in the inside of the arms and legs. That and the fact the boots go outside the leathers meaning the rain can run in. Surprisingly though, my feet did stay quite dry.

End the end I ended up stopping for an 1/2 hour because riding in pre-dawn light with random 2 inch thick hail patches on the road with freezing cold hands and getting pelted in the neck with hail stones wasn't really fun. Standing around in full kit I managed to stay really dry until there more light and the hail had lessened off.

I have since un-retried my leather gloves and snosealed them, and they too have worked really well in the rain. It is almost enjoyable riding the rain now. I just need a visor wiper so I can see better.

Leathers and snoseal work really well!

[scumdog]

Bread bag glove covers - can't beat the functionality, price or availability - (but the looks are, shall we say, cheap?)

[surfer]

Bread bag glove covers - can't beat the functionality, price or availability - (but the looks are, shall we say, cheap?)

Especially if you haven't eaten the bread yet:yes:

[pritch]

Leathers and snoseal work really well!

Aaaah sort of! My Snosealed and water proof lined boots still leak if the ride is wet enough for long enough.

I note that following my southern sojourn my Spidi touring trou have developed a 100mm split of the inner lining in the crutch area There goes any pretensions they had at being waterproof.

Duct tape perhaps? :-(

[scumdog]

I note that following my southern sojourn my Spidi touring trou have developed a 100mm split of the inner lining in the crutch area There goes any pretensions they had at being waterproof.

Duct tape perhaps? :-(

One of the hazards of being over-endowed eh?