VMCC Formula 3 rules

[moT]

What are this years formula 3 bike and engine rules for vmcc? i hear they are different from the rules of mcnz.

[cowpoos]

same as MCNZ rules

[moT]

so theres gonna be a seperate class for the 650s?

[cowpoos]

I doubt it...where in the rules does it say that?? have a look on the MNZ website rule book....says nothing about a separate class for 650's...and if they do change to the pro twins there wil most likely be a lead in period anyway...

[moT]

ok cool i heard that the vic club may be running a seperate class in f3 for 650s as they make it unfair.

[Keystone19]

Why do 650s make it unfair?

[kiwifruit]

Why do 650s make it unfair?

cos they are too fast, its cheating! (p/t) :dodge:

see you in f2 Jill :D

[Keystone19]

cos they are too fast, its cheating! (p/t) :dodge:

see you in f2 Jill :D

You want me to race my 650 in F2 against you on your 600? Hmmm...

[Cleve]

ok cool i heard that the vic club may be running a seperate class in f3 for 650s as they make it unfair.

Like Jill said... Why? 10 years ago or more the Japanese stopped making new 250 2 strokes and 400 4's. They started making 650 twins instead. 650 twins are legal in F3. Next year the Japanese could start making new 400 4's. What will happen then? You will moan that they make it unfair??!!

[kiwifruit]

You want me to race my 650 in F2 against you on your 600? Hmmm...

yes =)

power to weight would very similar :yes:

[cowpoos]

ok cool i heard that the vic club may be running a seperate class in f3 for 650s as they make it unfair.
and yet at times in the nats....a muti jap 400 and a single 450 were kicking the 650's arses...!!!! so what is your point...???

[Keystone19]

yes =)

power to weight would very similar :yes:

:violin:

I'll think about it....

[kiwifruit]

:violin:

I'll think about it....

are you going to be like all the other girls.... i'll think about it always ment no :cry:

[Keystone19]

are you going to be like all the other girls.... i'll think about it always ment no :cry:

Ouch! No, it will depend on how much it costs to cross-enter. No point in driving all the way to Manfeild for just one class though! So probably yes.

[kiwifruit]

Ouch! No, it will depend on how much it costs to cross-enter. No point in driving all the way to Manfeild for just one class though! So probably yes.

yes?
yes!
she said yes! :yes:
yeeha!


i better learn to ride so i can learn you :gob: (p/t) heh

[cowpoos]

yes?
yes!
she said yes! :yes:
yeeha!


i better learn to ride so i can learn you :gob: (p/t) heh
so you'll be cross entering in F1 and F2??? ;)

[kiwifruit]

so you'll be cross entering in F1 and F2??? ;)

yes :)

[cowpoos]

yes :)
good stuff mate!!! every round too I hope!!

[k14]

and yet at times in the nats....a muti jap 400
Try 450 that apparently makes 80 something hp.

[cowpoos]

Try 450 that apparently makes 80 something hp.
still...was very compeditive wasn't it dude??? who won over all in the end??

[kiwifruit]

good stuff mate!!! every round too I hope!!

that be the plan bro =)

[Grub]

The banter is all very jolly .... but would anyone like to answer the posters questions...
- What is F3, F2 & F1 (how are they coded)
- What is bucket racing
- Clubmans has been answered

[cowpoos]

The banter is all very jolly .... but would anyone like to answer the posters questions...
- What is F3, F2 & F1 (how are they coded)
- What is bucket racing
- Clubmans has been answered
huh.... who posted that???
if you want to know.... look there...
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx

[k14]

still...was very compeditive wasn't it dude??? who won over all in the end??
Yeah he won the championship (Andy Bowell). I don't really think that bringing those bikes up as examples of non 650 bikes that are competitive is really that relevant. Both the tigcraft and the 450 have had oodles of money spent on them and are just ludicrously expensive to run etc.

I can't see why people moan about 650's in F3, fine as far as I'm concerned. 125's and 650's are always at the front of the F3 field in club racing down here. Bikes are completely different but lap times of similar riders are very close. Have some good fun chasing and passing them round the infield and then being smoked down the straight.

[feral1]

I agree with what Jill, poos and kirk are saying here, tom. F3 is fine the way it is. 650's are all good on the grids. gives me somthing to chase. Yes, andy's bike is fast. But Fitzgeralds 650 has more money than most of us have spend on it too. As K14 says, ooutside the top echelon, it is a good mix of 400, 125 and SV's all hooning around on our local club scene. and it is mighty good fun.
Just my thoughts,
Feral

PS. Keystone, i saw you did real well at the nth island rounds for the nats in F3. bloody well done mate.
K14, see you did great in your GP class for the whole season too. you where happy with how it worked out?

[svs]

Just to clarify. The upcoming VMCC winter series will be run as per current MNZ F3 rules. i.e. 650 twins and 450 multis etc. We are keeping an eye on things and will see if there is enough interest this season to introduce the Pro Twins subclass.
When you get down to it, the current rules are OK. Sure, if you want to spend heaps of money then you'll end up with a fast bike regardless of the configuration


- What is F3, F2 & F1 (how are they coded)


F3 has been covered
F2 is approx. 600 Sport Production, except F2 allows more modifications. Clubs tend to run this to allow more flexibility with entries.
F1 is approx. Production Superbikes but with more mods allowed. This allows things like the Steadman 750 2 stroke to run, which isn't production superbike legal. also allows one off specials etc.

[cowpoos]

F2 is approx. 600 Sport Production, except F2 allows more modifications. Clubs tend to run this to allow more flexibility with entries.
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how flexable are the alowed mods :whistle:

[svs]

how flexable are the alowed mods :whistle:

well you can't run an 810 in F2......

as long as you are within the class capacity limits then you're allowed a bit more tuning work - like cams, head work etc. and things like carbon fibre fairing etc would be allowed. those are specifically excluded from production based classes unless it was part of the factory homologated bike.

[GSVR]

well you can't run an 810 in F2......

as long as you are within the class capacity limits then you're allowed a bit more tuning work - like cams, head work etc. and things like carbon fibre fairing etc would be allowed. those are specifically excluded from production based classes unless it was part of the factory homologated bike.

So someone could turn up on an RS250 and race in F2 or Postclassic if its pre 89 or even a latter as they didn't change much until 1993 or something?

Thers alot of people with RS and TZ 250s for sale at the moment. Is this becuase they don't have a class to race in at club level?

[cowpoos]

well you can't run an 810 in F2......
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dam!!....it does have the same chasis as a 600...hmmm

[kiwifruit]

does the vic club sell day race licences on the day?

[k14]

So someone could turn up on an RS250 and race in F2 or Postclassic if its pre 89 or even a latter as they didn't change much until 1993 or something?

Thers alot of people with RS and TZ 250s for sale at the moment. Is this becuase they don't have a class to race in at club level?
No its because they don't have a class to run in at national level. All clubs that I know of will let them run in F1 and F2.

[Shaun]

does the vic club sell day race licences on the day?



No mate, contact the club

[Shaun]

dam!!....it does have the same chasis as a 600...hmmm


They are not the same!

[svs]

does the vic club sell day race licences on the day?
For first year riders, yes. But you will still have to enter in advance.

[svs]

No its because they don't have a class to run in at national level. All clubs that I know of will let them run in F1 and F2.

Yep. the 2-stroke GP bikes are eligible for F1 and F2. read last years regs - that bit hasn't changed.

[kiwifruit]

Cheers mate

[steveyb]

I guess it might be a bit difficult for newer riders to find some F1, F2 rules now that we do not have these classes at national level. VMCC runs Superbike(F1), Supersport(F2) and Superbike Lite(F3), Streetstock, Clubman and Post Classic etc classes to ENABLE riders, not to exclude riders and their bikes. I think that there is something on the www.vicclub.co.nz site with a list of class structures.

Superficially: Superbike: all bikes above 125cc that are fast enough to keep up with Superbikes (eg. 250GP, 600's, fast 450's, fast 650's, 1000's, 750's). Not restriction on mods really except no methanol, and no turbos. Go for your life, or chequebooks life. How about someone bring a Rotary bike?????

Supersport: Bikes up to 600 cc 4 stroke multi's, open single 4 stroke, 500 cc single 2 stroke, 250cc 2 stroke, 750cc 4 stroke twins water cooled, multivalve.

Superbike lite: up to 450cc 4 stroke multis, up to 650cc 4stroke twins, 125 cc 2 stroke twins, 750cc 4 stroke singles, 750cc 4 stroke twin 2 valve air cooled, 250cc 2 stroke singles.
Mods are generally open except for capacity.

If someone wants to spent $20 or $30k to win the VMCC series then go for your lives. If I was in that game I would probably rather spend that to win the national championship and therefore build an appropriate machine.

As mentioned earlier, some 250's for sale on TradeMe. Cheap bikes for GP race machines (you know I love 'em). Someone got the HEELLLLLL deal for the TZ-B in ChCh. Clean that up with new fairings and tacho and it will be sweeeeettttt.

[moT]

well thanks all i understand that i can get my bike compeditive but only after lots of $$$ the only thing im ticked off about is the fact that in order to have a compeditive bike in f3 u gotta spend the $$$ which i dnt have but i suppose its up to the rider as well so im gonna have some fun hunting down those 650s

[Keystone19]

Good on ya Tom. The cool thing about Formula 3 is that there will always be someone in the field for you to play with and have fun even if it is not at the pointy end.

[svs]

A 400 (not a 450) can lap manfeild in 1:16's. That's fast enough to be at the front. Last year jarrod finished 3rd overall on a 89 400 and was consistantly lapping in 1:17/1:18. The 400s have advantages over the 650s in certain areas, you just got to use it.

remember with bike racing the rider is 80% of the game. and this is a CLUB series. we are trying to get as many people onto the track as possible (safely). This means that the rules are more flexible, so there's always going to be a variety of performance levels within a class. If you want a level playing field then we're talking about a 1 make series or something, but that would be based on new bikes that are currently available. and then people would complain that they'd have to spend money on a new bike. If you want to be competitive, then you need to be a good rider.

[feral1]

well thanks all i understand that i can get my bike compeditive but only after lots of $$$ the only thing im ticked off about is the fact that in order to have a compeditive bike in f3 u gotta spend the $$$ which i dnt have but i suppose its up to the rider as well so im gonna have some fun hunting down those 650s


Yeah hey Tom,
that's the attitude. just get out here and have some fun mate. I have to agree with what Jill said, F3 is wick as there is always some one to play/race wth. Esp. in the cub level it is a great and friendly class. People will really help you out. Don't worry about the money aspect. Just get your VFR out there mate. There have been some real talented riders whom have done great things on bog stock 400's. A guy down here in the sth island peddels a stock road ZXR400 so hard he could hold his head up high in the first three rounds of the nationals!! Also a KB'er 'two smoker' had what it took, tuning and running a 'stock-ish' zxr. Just go for it, it will realy come down to the rider, technique and training.
As far as the VFR goes, you can do a bit with that bike bro. Focus on the airbox and carb/needles. Check: www.400greybike.co.uk
Also a KB member, kwakakid, knows what to do with a vfr, you may want to drop him a pm

Have fun out there in F3
Feral
:)