Made a texting SOAB fall off his scooter [Archive]

speeding_ant

3rd April 2007, 21:43

So.. I just got my new airhorn going... Here's the story:

I was following this guy on his scooter today. He was going 30km/h. He was also texting. This asshole decides to jam on his brakes, without indication (didnt help he had NO BRAKE LIGHTS), and turn right. I managed to swerve to the left, narrowly missing him. Whilst I was missing him, i had my horn blasting. I checked in my mirror and he was lying on the ground looking very very dazed.

He must have freaked, you dont expect a bike to let off such a big noise! Considering he was riding one handed I think he must have let go in shock. It was rather amusing, left me feeling a little guilty though.

Actually, I'm not guilty. If you are the scooter owner who had this happen to you, and you happen to be reading this.. You are an irresponsible idiot. I do hope the fall grazed you up a bit so you realise that texting whilst riding isnt a smart thing to do. Oh, and get some brake lights and learn how to use your indicator ya mongol!! You're lucky I wasnt in a cage..

boomer

3rd April 2007, 21:45

wd.. your the man

Mr. Peanut

3rd April 2007, 21:46

Fuck man, I was just telling the missus I was gonna be late!

The Pastor

3rd April 2007, 21:49

I hope you stoped to check he was alright, sure he was a complete tosser, but you did cause him to crash.

Mr. Peanut

3rd April 2007, 21:51

Not stopping at the scene of an accident. You bastard.

speeding_ant

3rd April 2007, 21:51

I hope you stoped to check he was alright, sure he was a complete tosser, but you did cause him to crash.

Yeah I turned around at the end of the street. He had already gotten on his feet and had his bike started. I was so pissed off I just kept on truckin after seeing that he was OK.

Drum

3rd April 2007, 22:09

..........but you did cause him to crash.

I'd say he caused himself to crash.

At least he learned his lesson without getting killed.

The Pastor

3rd April 2007, 22:11

I'd say he caused himself to crash.

At least he learned his lesson without getting killed.

Well not really, if he was left along he would be home with out learning a life lesson.

Dosent change the fact that hes a complete dick head. He cant even ride one handed? Damn man I can emerancy brake and turn with no hands, while texting and drinking sitting backwards. The cops don't like it though

Big Dog

3rd April 2007, 22:15

Well not really, if he was left along he would be home with out learning a life lesson.

Given that he chose to defend his actions, who votes we show his miss this thread and let her deal out the lessons?

speeding_ant

3rd April 2007, 22:16

Yeah unfortunately I didnt really want to stop. Stopping sometimes means cops. Cops means checking bike. Bike needs WOF and REGO (both getting done this week). No WOF no REGO means fine. Fine means not good on pocket. Not good on pocket means no food. No food equals death.

So... If I stopped I would have died. My defence, I'm sticking to it.

Disco Dan

3rd April 2007, 22:20

Shadows

3rd April 2007, 22:22

At least he learned his lesson without getting killed.

Damned shame, that.

Black Bandit

3rd April 2007, 22:56

... Damn man I can emerancy brake and turn with no hands, while texting and drinking sitting backwards. The cops don't like it though

Have some bling for making me laugh.:laugh:

Yeah unfortunately I didnt really want to stop. Stopping sometimes means cops. Cops means checking bike. Bike needs WOF and REGO (both getting done this week). No WOF no REGO means fine. Fine means not good on pocket. Not good on pocket means no food. No food equals death.

So... If I stopped I would have died. My defence, I'm sticking to it.

Love the logic - bit like that logic that says that everything you eat must be good for you cause at the end of the day it's all derived from vegetables. i.e. I like to eat steak. :love: Steak comes from cows. Cows eat grass which is a "vegetable", therefore eating loads of steak must be healthy. Get your 5-a-day fruit and veg folks.

Oh yeah and well done for blasting the texter.

cowpoos

3rd April 2007, 23:00

speeding_ant

3rd April 2007, 23:20

sounds like you were both being irrisposible riders really...if he was going 30kmph and you had to emergency brake to only just avoid him...you were to close to him!

Yeah I thought my post sounded like I was quite close. The fact is that I was definitely within a very safe stopping distance. Another fact is that 3 seconds comes at you pretty quickly when you dont realise the other bike is slowing down suddenly. No brake lights means SUPRISE! So in this case I would have to disagree with you. The "emergency swivle" was not really "emergency" at all, just a swerve to the safest part of the road... An idiot like this could have gone anywhere for all I know. :mellow:

mikey62

4th April 2007, 08:04

Bloody good job I say. The last thing we need is a report like this to appear in the paper and everyone jumps on the bandwagon that all bikers are irresponsible and more controls are heaped on us. My 2c's worth (should really be 10c's as they've done away with the 2c but its only a short post)

FROSTY

4th April 2007, 08:26

YUP and another cage driving bike hater is created.
Never occurred to ya to stop him and TELL him he was being a dick
what a great idea----- every time I see anyone ride like a dick ill do whatever it takes to make em fall off their bikes--
Ohh wait on a minute--most of em seem to do a pretty good job all by themselves

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 08:50

Nice one, never have a prob with a scooter going in the gutter, yer should of put yer boot in and as he went, grabbed his phone and added "will be another 15min" to the text and tossed it back to him.

If the cunt came off, he came off, not your problem. He had a duffer scooter, was riding like a gorm, texting his boyfriend to put the coffee on and probably wondering why his g-string was pinching...he was an accident in waiting, like most scooter cretins I have the unpleasant duty of watching hurl themselves to their deaths in the bus lanes every morning/evening commute. :drool:

Winter

4th April 2007, 09:17

ManDownUnder

4th April 2007, 09:28

The dude on the scooter was texting while riding? Dumb!

To be fair you couldn't reasonably anticipate them falling off when you hit the (air) horn. Shake 'em up sure, but coming off was their fault... they demonstrated their lack of control.

BUT

Not stopping to help? :nono:
No Warrant? :nono:
No Reg? :nono:

Respect from me? :nono:

You didn't make them fall off, but you should have helped them up.

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 09:42

I think the important thing to remember is a scooter rider bit it...lets just reflect on that a moment :mellow:

jonbuoy

4th April 2007, 09:51

He might commute to work on a scooter but ride a bigger bike on the weekend. More people on scooters = less cars. No I don't ride a scooter but I have thought about one for zipping down to the shops. Still texting and riding is dumb.

Joni

4th April 2007, 09:58

You didn't make them fall off, but you should have helped them up.I agree with MDU.... you contributed to the situation, be that intentional or not... so you should help him out as well... no matter how silly he was being, or what your situation is... its basic courtesy!

terbang

4th April 2007, 10:05

Is a horn a warning device or a venting of frustration device..?

Joni

4th April 2007, 10:15

Good point Terbang... I see it as a warning/defensive device... to say "oi Im over here, dont drive over me and my bike..." NOT... "f**k off wanker stop texting, and get out of my way"

edit - altho, txting and riding.... grrr! not on!

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 10:15

Is a horn a warning device or a venting of frustration device..?

A horn is a pipping device when waving cordially to your friends in the cafe, cos it seems to do fuck all else to cage or dumbass scooter riders (unless it happens to 50 foot diameter fog horns as used in this example).

Personally my two brothers herald my frustrations, as could be attested by the ashen asians face that got such a rumble when she pulled into bus lane in front of me this morning...but we digress

Yeah mate, you should have made sure he was ok... :yes: ...oh, hang on, you did...he got up right? At least you could have turned around and run him down again?

Macktheknife

4th April 2007, 10:16

Is a horn a warning device or a venting of frustration device..?

Yes.

Texting while riding, well I knew it would happen sooner or later.

One thing I have learned over the years....
There really is no limit to dumb.

Of course, riding without WOF and REGO is pretty bloody silly too, especially when combined with not helping out a fellow biker. What you should have done is picked him up and got him off the road, followed by a 10 minute lecture on safe riding habits.

Deano

4th April 2007, 10:27

I hope you stoped to check he was alright, sure he was a complete tosser, but you did cause him to crash.

No no no - it was the scooter guys responsibility. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=46893And I'm not taking the piss.

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 11:18

...especially when combined with not helping out a fellow biker...

Was a fellow biker involved? I thought he was on a scooter?

And by the looks of most scooter meat bombs out there, they cant get hurt falling off....at least thats what I assume they think as they wear their high heals/jandals/bare feet/shorts/t-shirts/skirts/skull cap helmets while pinning the scooter through the traffic.

Just 'cos they have two wheels they aint my fellow biker...my fellow bikers are defined by their actions.

This said, I am a compassionate guy, and I would also stopped to make sure he at least stood up, then carried on while placing a scooter sticker on the gas tank.

ManDownUnder

4th April 2007, 11:27

Just 'cos they have two wheels they aint my fellow biker...my fellow bikers are defined by their actions.

Not having a go - but that's where we disagree. The dude's on 2 wheels and likely enjoys many of the same freedoms and fun aspects of riding those on bigger bikes do.

I agree there are some dimwits out there, and after you've picked 'em up after doing something incredibly dumb they can go on to learn, improve and possibly move more into your definition of a biker.

I'd like to think the future for that guy could include fun on 2 wheels - on whatever he chooses to ride. I'd also like to think he learned not to text while riding (God that's dumb). There have been a few others in here doing some seeming dumb things - and they get lambasted in proportion to the stupidity of their actions, but I can promise you for every one that falls, I'd be there to pick them up.

Joni

4th April 2007, 11:36

Hmm this is maybe where I differ from a cultural point of view... if I see someone is on trouble, be it in a car, on a bike... in fact I dont care what they commute in, I will stop and help if I can...

Stuff, the fellow biker crap... they are people, if you binned you would hope people would help you...

Yes I know he was doing something stupid, and was not really hurt... but fuck it, I hate this "I dont care, they are not my problem" attitude...

But hey, people who know me know Im a softy!

Storm

4th April 2007, 11:39

I reckon the guy was a first class idiot, but I'd still have checked he was ok. Followed by an extended comment on his IQ, and a suggestion on some of the "donts" of riding

Macktheknife

4th April 2007, 11:52

I reckon the guy was a first class idiot, but I'd still have checked he was ok. Followed by an extended comment on his IQ, and a suggestion on some of the "donts" of riding

Agreed

Joni, well said, I would indeed hope that people would stop to help me.

Deano

4th April 2007, 12:07

Agreed

Joni, well said, I would indeed hope that people would stop to help me.

Down here in Welly we help everyone, even fella's getting the bash on the side of the Takas after an accident induced road rage.

Disco Dan

4th April 2007, 12:08

Agreed

Joni, well said, I would indeed hope that people would stop to help me.

if im tootling along and you take your helmet off at that moment... id prob carry on... west auckland? goatie? bike? = not a good position for white englishman on a jap bike to be in. :innocent: ;) hehe

Id stop for anyone, not so much car drivers - simply because they are usually much better equipt. ie, passengers in car, cell phones and usually oposite a petrol station and have just run out of gas anyway. ...unless its a woman. and she hot.

Your safety first. Then the safety of others.

avgas

4th April 2007, 12:14

Yeah I thought my post sounded like I was quite close. The fact is that I was definitely within a very safe stopping distance. Another fact is that 3 seconds comes at you pretty quickly when you dont realise the other bike is slowing down suddenly. No brake lights means SUPRISE! So in this case I would have to disagree with you. The "emergency swivle" was not really "emergency" at all, just a swerve to the safest part of the road... An idiot like this could have gone anywhere for all I know. :mellow:

i hardly ever use the brakes. the trick is to watch the moving object infront of you and if it looks like its getting closer. you slow down.
relying on brake lights is like relying on santa for a xmas present.

Colapop

4th April 2007, 12:22

It was me you bastard - I live in Karori! I ride a RF900 scooter... I'll make sure I keep an eye out for you...

Do you ride up the Glenmore bus lane...?

terbang

4th April 2007, 13:04

Texting and riding is dumb. Falling off because you got too involved in yer texting while riding is even dumber. Dumb and Dumber eh.. Given the opportunity I would, like most here, wish for the opportunity to have a word in this lads ear as we share the road and the biker reputation with him and also pay (well nearly all of us) taxes and ACC levys ETC... However when we see someone doing something stupid, for example texting and riding, we need to resist the urge to vent our frustrations in a manner that could make things worse (driving up to him and honking an air horn in his ear) or else we ourselves fall under the common banner of 'Road Rage'. Whats worse texting or road rage..? The guy fell of because he was texting and riding and also because of the startle factor of having an air horn shoved up his arse. The startle factor in this case was a deliberate act (honking a horn) but it could easily have been one of my kids crossing the road. If he hasn't learnt anything from this incident then I suspect he will sometime in the near future, add to the credibility of Darwin's theory of evolution.

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 13:05

Do you ride up the Glenmore bus lane...?

I got pulled up for doing that on Monday. Was let off as the cop "wasnt to sure if its illegal or not". I told him that it wasnt as it didnt say bus lane ONLY, told him I worked for MoJ so I must be right. I think he was a little confuzzled and just let me go...

As for the poor scooter-er how do you know if he hadnt only just got the thing and was a learner? What if he had had a mechanical fault etc? How do you know it wasnt one of us. I live in Karori and I might have just bought myself a scooter! I reckon that you should stop for anyone who needs assistance, its good karma for one! Who knows you might need help one day....

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 13:35

Not having a go - but...

Oh go on, have a go :drool:

that's where we disagree. The dude's on 2 wheels and likely enjoys many of the same freedoms and fun aspects of riding those on bigger bikes do.

...like riding a scooter not fit for the road and texting on his phone while in motion?

I agree there are some dimwits out there, and after you've picked 'em up after doing something incredibly dumb they can go on to learn, improve and possibly move more into your definition of a biker.

This guy is not just incredibly dumb, he's below amoebic. I dont want this sort of cunt on the roads I share, whatever vehicle they use. I would put money on this guy texting again when he gets back on his scooter.

I'd like to think the future for that guy could include fun on 2 wheels

Well there's another point we disagree on...I'd like to think this guy has a future in a Siberian township where his style of riding wont effect me

but I can promise you for every one that falls, I'd be there to pick them up.

Ok, I like you MDU, you say some good shit on here and I can understand where you are coming from in your opinion. Admittedly, I am being overly callous in my viewpoint and this will definately stem from the daily grind of seeing people on scooters that have no idea that they are on a bike. They are still in cage mode. To survive I make sweeping generalistic rules based on experience, and avoiding scooters is one of them. I've met some great guys on scooters, but they are few and far between in the fumbling mass of meat bombs that generally occupy a scooter seat.

Now, that said, I am not generally a callous person. If I saw someone in trouble whether on a bike or not I would try to help and that would include this complete tw@ and only after knowing he was uninjured would I get complete satisfaction that the tosser got what he deserved.

As for a fellow biker? More like fellow human. But on the road, someone has to earn that title, as they do trust and respect. I will not associate with people being this ignorant on a road that doesnt take prisoners. This is what I mean by my previous statement.

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 13:41

As for the poor scooter-er how do you know if he hadnt only just got the thing and was a learner? What if he had had a mechanical fault etc? ....

Holy shit mate, at least come to the game with yer boots on, what the fuck are you spouting about?

The learners I know invest a bit more time in surviving and I'm guessing you were thinking he might have been texting his mechanic to say his new cooter was running a bit slow?

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 13:45

Holy shit mate, at least come to the game with yer boots on, what the fuck are you spouting about?

Sorry, im stupid, sarcastic and slow. Your right im an idiot though. I should probably just climb back under my rock and go back to sleep.

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 13:49

Sorry, im stupid, sarcastic and slow. Your right im an idiot though. I should probably just climb back under my rock and go back to sleep.

Dude, I'm envisioning a sad puppy face, stop it!

...but we digress...:shutup:

frogfeaturesFZR

4th April 2007, 13:50

:gob: Hels..are you on prozac or something ? Don't take shit like that !

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 13:53

Dude, I'm envisioning a sad puppy face, stop it!

So your calling me a Dog now! :bye:

Babelfish

4th April 2007, 13:55

:gob: Hels..are you on prozac or something ? Don't take shit like that !

So your calling me a Dog now! :bye:

Guys, if the shit fits...? WOOF WOOF ... stop it, you're taking my attention away from slagging the scootererer

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 13:56

you're taking my attention away from slagging the scootererer

My work here is done.

Joni

4th April 2007, 13:56

Please try and keep this on topic guys...

Disco Dan

4th April 2007, 14:07

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 14:11

bottom line, if your involved in a series of events that result in some idiot falling off his scooter... it's humane to stop and finish the job.

Is that what everyone is getting at? geesh...

hey look joni, im staying on topic!! ;)

Yeah, exactly what I was getting at! We all do stupid things, (granted this was REALLY stupid but) as long as he learns from it then cool. If not then his problem.

mstriumph

4th April 2007, 14:20

several things there's no place for on two wheels - cupholders .... ashtrays ..... texting

Disco Dan

4th April 2007, 14:24

several things there's no place for on two wheels - cupholders .... ashtrays ..... texting

and closed legs. Its just not right....

Bike - power between your legs.
Scooter - power (pfft) under your bum.

Need I say more?

Wasp

4th April 2007, 15:02

Never occurred to ya to stop him and TELL him he was being a dick
been there, done that - complete waste of time as they think what they are doing is right

SpankMe

4th April 2007, 15:06

I hope you stoped to check he was alright, sure he was a complete tosser, but you did cause him to crash.

Fuck the faggy little shit. The crash was his own fault. He could have been on the ground grasping for breath, I would have left the cunt to die. It would have saved someone else's life down the line.

Joni

4th April 2007, 15:10

Holy shit Spank... dont hold back... :lol:

Deano

4th April 2007, 15:22

Never occurred to ya to stop him and TELL him he was being a dick

But then you get the feeble brigade in here who totaly discourage any form of confrontation.

Deano

4th April 2007, 15:27

Fuck the faggy little shit. The crash was his own fault. He could have been on the ground grasping for breath, I would have left the cunt to die. It would have saved someone else's life down the line.

Tell it like it is bro !! :rockon:

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 15:28

But then you get the feeble brigade in here who totaly discourage any form of confrontation.

lol, bloody hippy tree huggers! If someones been an idiot then they should be told. How else are they supposed to learn?

avgas

4th April 2007, 15:39

Horns are for fags. The day i use mine is the day i wake up, find myself in bed with a guy and find out on the same day i cant ride.
With the time you spend using your horn, I've already avoided the incident, and am back into riding.
If you really feel you need to be heard get a pipe.

Str8 Jacket

4th April 2007, 15:42

If you really feel you need to be heard get a pipe.

A trumpet might be better?

avgas

4th April 2007, 15:59

A trumpet might be better?

What ever toots ya fancy :)

Macktheknife

4th April 2007, 16:00

As for a fellow biker? More like fellow human. But on the road, someone has to earn that title, as they do trust and respect. I will not associate with people being this ignorant on a road that doesnt take prisoners. This is what I mean by my previous statement.

Now this is more like it, I love it when you make your meaning as clear as this. I support your meaning entirely, cheers for that.

Storm

4th April 2007, 17:08

I hear a Tuba would do the bizzo no worries

El Dopa

4th April 2007, 20:22

Is a horn a warning device or a venting of frustration device..?

"When passenger of scooter heave in sight, tootle the horn. Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles your passage then tootle him with vigor and shout 'hi, hi'."

sunhuntin

4th April 2007, 21:06

If you really feel you need to be heard get a pipe.

for myself, a blast on a horn will get my attention more than your pipes...because, if you are behind me, ill have already gotten used to the sound of them and not pay attention.

i often watch high school kids txting on their way past work while scootering. dickheads. im glad this one got what was comin to him, without the aid of a car. sure...stop and make sure hes ok, and the scoot can be ridden. and then knock him on his ass again and give him a right bollocking!

have recently noticed the teen boys over the road scootering everywhere with their lids undone. both are very intelligent boys...lots of brain smarts. their mother has given her permission for me to box their ears next time.

speeding_ant

5th April 2007, 00:10

Goodness theres a lot of varied opinions here! :yes: Thats OK. Im usually not like this. I am a very courtious rider/person and do stop and help people. Its in my nature. A few personal things were going down and I didnt really feel like stopping. Betcha it won't happen again.

I'm not usually anti scooters but since all the students got into town things have gone haywire. Ive seen guys texting, causing road hazards and generally just being idiots. I supppose this was the pinical of my frustration.

I appreciate your concerns about me not stopping for the guy. I would have stopped if things were serious. But it seems he came off very lightly and it probably would have shocked the hell out of him. I know for a fact that if I stopped he would have started ripping into me. Who knows what I would have done. It was a bad day BEFORE I encountered the idiot and I was worried if I had stopped and he had ripped into me, then the boys in blue definitely would have payed a visit. *Envisions scooter stuck in a tree with guy attatched to bike on motorway*

RE: No WOF or REGO. Yes I agree its a silly thing to do. I just had the bike fixed up (only owned it a few weeks now), its running really nicely and is completely safe. Only thing I actually need for a WOF is a mudguard.... It would be concerning if the bike was a bomb. But really, its my choice if I want to do this.

i hardly ever use the brakes. the trick is to watch the moving object infront of you and if it looks like its getting closer. you slow down.
relying on brake lights is like relying on santa for a xmas present.

With a bike you hardly need to use the brakes due to the lovely engine braking. I'm not too sure where you're going with this post but I see myself as an aware, safe rider. Thing is he didnt slow down, he just jammed on his brakes. I guess its one of those things you had to be there for. It is easy for someone who has been riding for quite a number of years to be saying this I guess. :innocent:

The dude on the scooter was texting while riding? Dumb!

To be fair you couldn't reasonably anticipate them falling off when you hit the (air) horn. Shake 'em up sure, but coming off was their fault... they demonstrated their lack of control.

BUT

Not stopping to help? :nono:
No Warrant? :nono:
No Reg? :nono:

Respect from me? :nono:

You didn't make them fall off, but you should have helped them up.

I didnt really post this to gain respect. It has however become really interesting how people have displayed different levels of moral fibre. All I can say is that I still beleive this guy got his just deserts and my personal opinion is that I did the right thing.

Thanks for the comments guys! This little story has become a bit of a joke around friends now :scooter: :done:

SwanTiger

5th April 2007, 09:17

My opinion:

I don't really care about what you did or what happened, but I've learnt from being a parent myself that everyone else is someones daughter, son, brother, sister, father, mother, etc.

If it was one of my children you did that to, I can firmly say that horn and whatever else is of usable size on your bike would need to be surgically removed from your anal cavity before you took your next shit.

Just a bit of perspective.

Deano

5th April 2007, 10:26

If it was one of my children you did that to, I can firmly say that horn and whatever else is of usable size on your bike would need to be surgically removed from your anal cavity before you took your next shit.
Just a bit of perspective.

Go tough guy !! :dodge: :rockon:

Would you insert your son or daughter's cellphone in their anal cavity for texting while riding as well ?

:whocares:

DMNTD

5th April 2007, 10:33

I still fail to see how or why a sensible/qualified rider would fall from his bike/scooter if someone tooted their horn at them and it apears the guy deserved it(the toot that is).
Ok the guy on the scooter was/is obviously an idiot for txt'n whilst riding...does he deserve to fall? No...but he didn't have control of his bike so he did.
From what I read earlier in the thread Speeding Ant did see the guy get up and as it wasn't a high speed incident...all's well and lets hope the twit learns something.

Albino

5th April 2007, 11:00

I don't really care about what you did or what happened, but I've learnt from being a parent myself that everyone else is someones daughter, son, brother, sister, father, mother, etc.

If it was one of my children you did that to, I can firmly say that horn and whatever else is of usable size on your bike would need to be surgically removed from your anal cavity before you took your next shit.

Just a bit of perspective.
In the old days parents would have told their kids that it serves them damn right, that they were being stupid and derserved it. This was back when we taught our kids about personal responsibility.

msm

5th April 2007, 11:22

Texting on a scooter? Yeah, I'm not at all surprised the tard came off, his attentions were obviously not on the road. With guys like him about, no wonder there's so much hating on us nifty fifty riders. Still, the proper thing to do would have been to stop as soon as you saw him come off and make sure he was OK.

I love my scoot and no amount of KB hatred is going to change that, but at least I think I have enough sense to not ride like a complete reject. :scooter: We're not all bad, promise!

Deano

5th April 2007, 12:15

I love my scoot and no amount of KB hatred is going to change that

We love your 'dorky' scoot too mate.:scooter: :love: :grouphug:

Scamp

5th April 2007, 16:15

Is it a scooter thing or what - I saw someone on a metallic blue scooter doing this is Miramar today too, the most worrying thing is that it was around 3pm so there were kids everywhere and the rider really should have had all their attention on the road.

If it was you :nono:

Toaster

5th April 2007, 16:42

I agree with MDU.... you contributed to the situation, be that intentional or not... so you should help him out as well... no matter how silly he was being, or what your situation is... its basic courtesy!

Agreed. Come on fellas, let's not let our frustrations destroy the need to help each other out on the roads.

Swoop

5th April 2007, 16:45

Go tough guy !! :dodge: :rockon:

Would you insert your son or daughter's cellphone in their anal cavity for texting while riding as well ?

:whocares:
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Bloody well said!

breakaway

5th April 2007, 16:50

I'm in agreement with what speeding_ant said. I would have stopped, but it's understandable he didn't, because of the aforementioned infringements :rolleyes:

Having a bike license should be made a requirement if you intend to ride any roadworthy scooter / moped / bike on a public road.

Shaun

5th April 2007, 17:52

speeding_ant

5th April 2007, 18:19

I cannot understand how any one riding an illegal bike would come on to a biker site and rant about making another rider crash? This one has to be the best I have ever read on here.

Did you think or have you thought that you may have seriously hurt this person

Hmm... I thought this was supposed to be a community. I hardly consider a scooter rider (who texts, doesnt use indicators and has no brake lights) a rider at all. I will call them plain stupid. Also, I am not ranting. I am simply telling a story. You can comment on the story if you so wish.

If you read my report on the situation you would have noticed that I did pass back again to see if he was OK. He was already on his scooter and it was running. So, no? I dont think he was hurt at all.

The airhorn is only there to protect me, and me only. I was being responsible with the horn and I was using it in the right situation.

Sometimes I think some people worry more about enforcing their morals onto others, instead of viewing the whole picture. I really hope people are not judging my character/riding abilities due to this post... The bike is now legal, by the way.

Big ups to the people who supported my decisions, and I shall take constructive criticism from *some* of the posts.

Forest

5th April 2007, 18:22

Made a texting SOAB fall off his scooter

You are pathetic.

Big Dog

5th April 2007, 19:33

ICE180

5th April 2007, 19:34

Well if he was wearing gloves he would have not been able to text.

So i guess that this would sum up the rider on the scooter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

speeding_ant

5th April 2007, 23:43

You are pathetic.

:whocares: Is it just me or is there a really negative vibe on KB

Shaun

5th April 2007, 23:50

:whocares: Is it just me or is there a really negative vibe on KB

Not really a negative vibe, more like a freedom of speech thing, as this is a community, and I am sure you realise that opinions will differ

avgas

6th April 2007, 00:03

I see myself as an aware, safe rider.
I think you are missing the key point here, did you or did you not require a swerve to avoid an object in front of you.
Rule 1 : Assume everything on the road will jump out and try and kill you. This will save you from kids, dogs, cats, cars and yes also scooters.
What if that scooter was a truck, and it suddenly slammed on its brakes? Where would go then. I'm sorry for being very blunt here - but i have the metal ware to show what happens when you don't follow this simple rule. I would not ever wish the same to any other rider.
Another fact of the matter is that scooters can only rapidly decellerate if they use the brake - as engine braking on them is not responsive enough.
While i think the particular person txting is a prat. If the scoot rider did the exact same thing without txting. Its fair game that you would be in the wrong.

avgas

6th April 2007, 00:13

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=39375
Does it work in automatic mode, or do you still have to pull the brake leaver and not die. I'm just asking as a lot of people seem to think a more powerful horn will create a magical shield that defends bike and rider.
I wonder if they have an equivalent for deaf drivers, you know - like 600w headlamp high beams to piss people off who cant hear your horn?
Fact of the matter is that the horn is miss-used in NZ. Its more of a "Hey fuck you too buddy" then either a "watch out" or "hi/bye buddy".
I would be fine with the whole horn thing if people wernt such assholes with them. An example i would ask most people who love their horns is "Did you use it before or after the situation?" Most say after.
If that is the case - what is the bloody point in em.

Wellyman

6th April 2007, 01:02

Your a bit of an asshole for making the guy fall off, coz now he has to pay to get repairs done , replace damaged gear etc etc...
WM

Shadows

6th April 2007, 01:04

Your a bit of an asshole for making the guy fall off, coz now he has to pay to get repairs done , replace damaged gear etc etc...
WM

I reckon that if a honk of a horn was enough to knock him off his scooter then he wouldn't have lasted another five minutes anyway.

Xtat1k

6th April 2007, 06:57

Yeah texting while riding is not that clever, hopefully lesson learnt, pity was the hard way, better learnt from a riders horn than the grille of a truck

SwanTiger

6th April 2007, 10:36

In the old days parents would have told their kids that it serves them damn right, that they were being stupid and derserved it. This was back when we taught our kids about personal responsibility.
You missed the point my genetically challenged friend, or is that just name sake?

I don't care from either side of the story, I really don't even give a shit about the scooter rider or any moral bullshit surrounding it.

I'm focusing on the fact that Speeding Ant came on here somewhat gloating about his actions - then clarifying and justifying it to some degree. He initially made out that his actions were the cause of the scooter riders fall.

That young boy who was beaten to death in the back of a prison van by another prisoner; Do you think he deserved it for stealing his parents car and giving them so much grief to the point he was in the situation he was?

The logical and sensible thing speeding ant should of done in that situation, if he was so concerned (and obviously he was concerned enough to write it up on Kiwi Biker), is to stop at the scene, make sure the rider is okay - Phone the Police and report the accident, wait for the Police to arrive and then provide them with a statement saying what the scooter riders actions were (i.e. texting, braking suddenly, motorcycle not up to WOF standards if no brake light, etc.) and offered to go to court if need be.

The rider would of received a careless use or similar or at the very minimum a sevre warning - maybe enough to make him clean up his act.

There is my point and the reason for my previous post.

He must have freaked, you dont expect a bike to let off such a big noise! Considering he was riding one handed I think he must have let go in shock. It was rather amusing, left me feeling a little guilty though.

Actually, I'm not guilty.

That's why he'd need to have the horn surgically removed from his anal cavity if it was one of my children.

EDIT: None of my children will ever be seen on a gay scarf wearing scooter thingy unless they're thrashing it in some abusive form. Just for the record... :laugh:

speeding_ant

6th April 2007, 14:36

The logical and sensible thing speeding ant should of done in that situation, if he was so concerned (and obviously he was concerned enough to write it up on Kiwi Biker), is to stop at the scene, make sure the rider is okay - Phone the Police and report the accident, wait for the Police to arrive and then provide them with a statement saying what the scooter riders actions were (i.e. texting, braking suddenly, motorcycle not up to WOF standards if no brake light, etc.) and offered to go to court if need be.

The rider would of received a careless use or similar or at the very minimum a sevre warning - maybe enough to make him clean up his act.

There is my point and the reason for my previous post.

That's why he'd need to have the horn surgically removed from his anal cavity if it was one of my children.

EDIT: None of my children will ever be seen on a gay scarf wearing scooter thingy unless they're thrashing it in some abusive form. Just for the record... :laugh:

Fair enough. I made a mistake for not stopping and I will learn from that mistake. I apologise if I came across gloating, this was not the case. I'll make up for it.. ;)

botb

6th April 2007, 14:54

:whocares: Is it just me or is there a really negative vibe on KB

Go figure:mellow:

Shaun

6th April 2007, 16:28

Fair enough. I made a mistake for not stopping and I will learn from that mistake. I apologise if I came across gloating, this was not the case. I'll make up for it.. ;)

Good on ya for that post mate, you came across as an intelligent person, and now have displayed that, this board can do wonders for you in all kinds of ways, and I feel you have just earned some street cred

Dafe

6th April 2007, 16:51

An interesting thread indeed. So many opinions!

I'm thinking - One guy riding like a total fool, obviously frightened unexpectedly by an illegal road user. (No Reg/No Warrant).

I tend to think that if you ride around unwarranted and unregistered, you shouldn't be thinking of yourself as any better.

I feel sorry for people who have no insurance (elderly etc) and get hit in the wrong by people riding/driving illegally and don't receive any renumeration.

Big Dog

7th April 2007, 01:51

I never used the horn in the past because when it was used in accordance with fair warning they just wave.

I have used it when I was under threat.

I have also used it to good effect when another biker was under threat.

I have used it when I was not seen but not really under threat.

I don't feel I ride any differently but I do feel more willing to use it, as a fair warning and to tootle a cheery farewell (this takes practice).

The old horn was frankly embarassing. It is after all the same unit supplied on the GN125 up right through the range. I have even had WOF testers toot it a few times to check there really was a horn.

avgas

8th April 2007, 02:13

speeding_ant

8th April 2007, 03:13

Fair enough big dog - i think your probably one of the few who have these things and know what its for.
But back on topic here - its clear that many people do not know what their horn is for :scooter: and if it were me on a scoot... well lets just say if i ever saw the bike again, there would be a 2L milk poured in its exhaust.

So my horn shouldnt have been used? In that situation I thought I used the horn to

a: Warn the scooter I was there and..
b: Let them know that they had done something wrong

If you disagree with my logic, by all means, please explain to me why I am incorrect.

avgas

8th April 2007, 12:42

Warning a scooter fair enough - but do that wouldn't you have to be behind them at the time?
Its a pretty simple logic really - a warning happens before an event.
Also on another note - how hard is it to pull up next to a scooter doing 30 and tell them they are in the wrong with hand signals or your voice?
I realize that you are fairly new to the bike game - but so are most scooter riders.
How would you feel if i belted past you, missing your bars by 1 inch, making you jump out of your boots.....just simply because you had done something wrong? Or would you prefer if i pulled up next to you - nice and safe. To point out that your indicator is still on?
Treat others how you wish to be treated.

ManDownUnder

9th April 2007, 08:14

_intense_

9th April 2007, 12:00

lmao. wd. wish id thought of that wen i saw a git on a HD in shorts and singlet texting away whilst riding.... :knob-jockey:

James Deuce

9th April 2007, 13:39

The only places in the world where horn usage is discussed, and horns are used only infrequently with potentially dire consequences for the person using the horn are NZ, Australia, and the UK.

The rest of the world just uses their horn when they damn well please.

Riding with no Reg and WoF. BFD. I've ridden around for a couple of weeks at a time with neither, just through being too tired and busy to check the dates on those totally arbitrary fitness and taxation documents.

Riding everywhere at Mach 9 and close to your personal limits isn't just as illegal and just as threatening to those uninsured old people?

We're all perfect. Yeah Right.

My personal attitudes have changed massively since I registered on this site. I don't care what you ride, what you wear, or how you ride. Just don't involve me with your stupidity on the road and I'll try to avoid doing anything stupid to ruin your day.

For those that missed it, I think karma smacked speeding_ant in the head anyway. I don't think he deserved it though, and I don't think he was unjustified in tooting his horn.

Squeak the Rat

10th April 2007, 10:13

Man do things change. I remember a year or so ago every one was slating people who text and drive, and talking of dishing out punishments ranging from spark plugs over the shoulder through to punching wing mirrors with armoured gloves.

So a relatively newbie comes on here and says he honked his horn at some one who was texting and he fell off, and the hounds are released.

Texting drivers kill. Texting riders include themselves in the equation. A horn is sound waves at a harmless frequency. If a horn makes you fall off then you shouldn’t be riding. The guy got up hopefully having learnt something and there's less risk he will plough into my friends or family. Resign from the PC brigade guys.

Xtat1k

10th April 2007, 13:37

avgas

10th April 2007, 18:12

The guy got up hopefully having learnt something and there's less risk he will plough into my friends or family.
Wrong again, you cant change people permanently like that. Yeh he wont do it for about a month. Then bam he's at it again.
Drunk drivers are still out there drink driving, the guy that hit me still has his coffee and reads the paper into work.
If he came off, broke both wrists and his phone was crushed into a million pieces....while god came to him in a vision and told him to stop txting while riding. I might believe you.
Some people dont learn. And if this guy was riding a scooter, while txting. I think he's in the 5% can Darwin's theory cant touch.
Sucks though

Babelfish

11th April 2007, 13:32

James Deuce

11th April 2007, 13:39

That's why he'd need to have the horn surgically removed from his anal cavity if it was one of my children.

If one of my kids got caught doing that, they'd be having to get their own scooter horn surgically removed, and I'd be buying speeding_ant a beer.

Just a bit of perspective.

Babelfish

11th April 2007, 13:41

If one of my kids got caught doing that, they'd be having to get their own scooter horn surgically removed, and I'd be buying speeding_ant a beer.

Just a bit of perspective.

Dad, is that you???

SwanTiger

12th April 2007, 09:44

Are you saying one of your offspring would be dumb enough to text while riding? Not a strong swimmer in the gene pool? :drool:
No I am not, you've missed the point, obviously your the one who isn't a strong swimmer in the gene pool if you can't read an entire thread.

If one of my kids got caught doing that, they'd be having to get their own scooter horn surgically removed, and I'd be buying speeding_ant a beer.

Just a bit of perspective.
That's your opinion, I've got mine; Opposites of opinion infact.

Your perspective, in my opinion, is SHIT!

James Deuce

12th April 2007, 09:46

Good on ya Swanny, keep on rewarding your kids for doing stupid things by setting the example of delivering violence to a person who pointed out your kid was stupid.

Makes a lot of sense that does.

SwanTiger

12th April 2007, 09:51

Good on ya Swanny, keep on rewarding your kids for doing stupid things by setting the example of delivering violence to a person who pointed out your kid was stupid.

Makes a lot of sense that does.
Thank you for your encouragement and praise Jim, it means a lot :2thumbsup

Read my other post in this thread, or are you not a strong swimmer either? I thought your intelligence had a bit more depth than this.

Babelfish

12th April 2007, 09:54

No I am not, you've missed the point, obviously your the one who isn't a strong swimmer in the gene pool if you can't read an entire thread...

...That's your opinion, I've got mine; Opposites of opinion infact.

Your perspective, in my opinion, is SHIT!

Who said I havent read the entire thread? Just another example of that shallow thought process of yours...I'm picking you're the one wearing floaties in this little gene pool we've created?

Now, if you'd finished your post with "thats my opinion" rather than assuming you were adding even the slightest perspective with your inane statement, I'd probably never have bothered responding to it.

Carry on though, I'm sure you're not finished adding gems of profound logic to this thread...tell us more about how your son texts while riding his scooter again?

Joni

12th April 2007, 09:58

Guys this thread has been good up till now, people with different opinions stating them with no issues...

Please lets not let it become a shit fight now!

:thud:

Babelfish

12th April 2007, 10:03

Nice, looks like the lifeguard arrived just in time...get the guy with the floaties first eh? :shutup:

SwanTiger

12th April 2007, 20:59

Nice, looks like the lifeguard arrived just in time...get the guy with the floaties first eh? :shutup:
Stick to your day job, then again you seem like the type who would be on welfare.

Albino

13th April 2007, 07:59

I think he insulted you SwanTiger. Are you going to punch him?

We all get your point from your posts, we just fundamentally disagree with it. Which is cool but I just hope you aren't a teacher by profession.

avgas

14th April 2007, 20:38

For fucks sake guys (sorry for using the f word joni - i drunk and blatant right now).
But you guys need to calm the fuck down and get back on topic.
Personal comments are a waste of fucking time here - as the internet is about as personal as sex with a magazine.
I'm sick of threads being terminated because people don't take shit at face value.
As for the gene pool - if we can have people in power who lack the intelligence to breathe properly.......well its flawed, lets say that. Besides we all know its a defective gene that makes us like bikes.