Scorpio 225

[Oakie]

Hi newbies. Any of you guys got one of these? Mrs Oakie is after a bike after many years away from two wheels and the Scorpio was raised as an option today. She wants something small but still needs something that'll cope with the open road (ie, do 100 kph without too much stress).

[xwhatsit]

Well, today I saw my girlfriend for the first time in a week (exams -.-''), and we were walking down near the Law School, and saw some bikes. I'm trying to get her onto a scooter, so I pointed out a particularly pretty one, which she liked, and then she saw the Scorpio parked next to it. She asked me some questions about it because she liked the colour.

As we walked away, she said something to me which made me feel slightly sorry for the rider; `It's sort of a girl's bike, isn't it?'

Lol.

Well in that case, it might be quite suitable for your Mrs Oakie, if my little miss knows anything about bikes. Which she doesn't.

[kazter]

do you mean yamaha scorpio 225? i owned it since 2002.. and has a top speed of 140 km/h

[Drum]

do you mean yamaha scorpio 225? i owned it since 2002.. and has a top speed of 140 km/h

Hey welcome to the site kazter.

The scorpio has only been here in NZ for about a year or two I think??
Don't see too many of them around.

I rode past one the other day and it sounded ok. Kinda 'throaty' for such a small engine.

[kazter]

Well, today I saw my girlfriend for the first time in a week (exams -.-''), and we were walking down near the Law School, and saw some bikes. I'm trying to get her onto a scooter, so I pointed out a particularly pretty one, which she liked, and then she saw the Scorpio parked next to it. She asked me some questions about it because she liked the colour.

As we walked away, she said something to me which made me feel slightly sorry for the rider; `It's sort of a girl's bike, isn't it?'

Lol.

Well in that case, it might be quite suitable for your Mrs Oakie, if my little miss knows anything about bikes. Which she doesn't.

:gob: after a few part adjustments i think she wont call it girl's bike lol.

[kazter]

Hey welcome to the site kazter.

The scorpio has only been here in NZ for about a year or two I think??
Don't see too many of them around.

I rode past one the other day and it sounded ok. Kinda 'throaty' for such a small engine.

sorry i havent introduce myself yet, thanks for your warm welcome :)

yup but in my country (indonesia)scorpio has already sold since 2002. and yes since 2002 till newest 2007, they changed some parts.

[xwhatsit]

:gob: after a few part adjustments i think she wont call it girl's bike lol.

Hahaha no I told her it's not a girl's bike. Nice trail-bike motor, plenty of grunt. She said though, that the tank was just such a pretty colour... and the instruments were too nice and polished for it to be a boy's bike. I guess she's just formed her impressions about bikes from my dirty ancient thing.

[kazter]

:) in indonesia we have scorpio comunity.. and believe it or not 2002 model has a flat-like fuel tank, and higher hp

[kazter]

here is a picture of 2002 model, kind a small for you but it fits to indonesian posture :done:

[Oakie]

Thanks all. Yes I meant the Yamaha Scorpio.
Nice looking bike I thought, as did Mrs Oakie when I showed her a picture this afternoon.
Well established engine ... derived from the XT250 from the early 80s I believe.
Kazter: ... when you say it has a top speed of 140kph, do you mean that you've done 140kph on yours or the speedo goes up that far?
Honestly, if it'll do 110kph that'll be sufficient.

[xwhatsit]

Thanks all. Yes I meant the Yamaha Scorpio.
Nice looking bike I thought, as did Mrs Oakie when I showed her a picture this afternoon.
Well established engine ... derived from the XT250 from the early 80s I believe.
Kazter: ... when you say it has a top speed of 140kph, do you mean that you've done 140kph on yours or the speedo goes up that far?
Honestly, if it'll do 110kph that'll be sufficient.

They'll do 110kph. I sat in behind one going over Mangere Bridge and the motorway that goes over it up to Hillsborough. He seemed to be using a fair amount of throttle, especially on the hill, but he would've only dropped to a minimum of 95kph going up the hill, which is about the same as me, at least until I can be arsed grabbing more throttle.

Nice shiny little things. Any bike that has a kickstart has my firm endorsement :D

[Madness]

One of the proprietors of the Summit Café, atop the Rimutaka Hill has had one for a few months. Gets him up & down the hill every day with no problems, He's clocked up a few '000 K's in a short time. Quite a big lad & I believe He's looking at upgrading as soon as licensable.

Gotta be a better option than the current Chinese GN's?

[kazter]

... when you say it has a top speed of 140kph, do you mean that you've done 140kph on yours or the speedo goes up that far?
Honestly, if it'll do 110kph that'll be sufficient.

yup.. infact that was before i changed the exshaust and installer=d water and air injection to it, my friend's can go 160 km/h with it

[kazter]

They'll do 110kph. I sat in behind one going over Mangere Bridge and the motorway that goes over it up to Hillsborough. He seemed to be using a fair amount of throttle, especially on the hill, but he would've only dropped to a minimum of 95kph going up the hill, which is about the same as me, at least until I can be arsed grabbing more throttle.

Nice shiny little things. Any bike that has a kickstart has my firm endorsement :D

maybe because 2007 model has built in AIS (air induction system) on it that decreases the power

[The Stranger]

Hi newbies. Any of you guys got one of these? Mrs Oakie is after a bike after many years away from two wheels and the Scorpio was raised as an option today. She wants something small but still needs something that'll cope with the open road (ie, do 100 kph without too much stress).

I bought one of these to teach folk to ride on.
Bloody awesome!
Can't tell you a top speed as it is not yet run in. But easily does 100kph with my large boned frame on it. I would guess at 140 tops with me (100kg) possibly more with an average rider.

I have however been impressed at how easy it has been to teach the riders learning on this bike. The engine is very tractable, permitting them to learn low speed work easily. Cone weaving and tight U truns at low speeds have been easily accomplished by the learners. Rider confidence has been built quite quickly in my view, I put a lot of that down to the machine.

I have taken it for a bit of a limited (due to running in) strop through the Waitakere ranges. I was able to maintain good corner speed and had a lot of fun.

No fairing is a plus for learners - not that they have come even close to using this advantage yet.

I highly reccommend this bike as a learner bike.

[el loco jalapeno]

Yep I've had one for a bit over a month and it's going great. The back brake feels as though it's not attached to anything more than a spring, so there's not much danger of learners over-using it.

The fastest I've had it would only be about 105, it's fair humming by then but it still has a couple of grand left on the revs. I'd recommend it to anyone considering a new GN or just looking for a comfy learner bike.

[The Stranger]

After other posts in this thread, I thought I had better check my estimate of top speed. Went for a blat up the motorway and it topped out at 130kph at 8,000 RPM. I am 100kg (of solid muscle). It is red lined at 9,500 RPM.

This bike has only travelled 150 km so I didn't want to ring it whilst running it in. I am farily confident that I would get 140kph out of it max after it has loosened up a bit in say a couple of thousand km and am sure you would easily get that, or more, with an average weight rider.

[Oakie]

Interesting.
The bike she gets will be used out of town more than as a commuter as we're only 5 minutes by bicycle from her work. While it is for out of town use though, it won't be for big tours or fast 'blowing out the cobwebs' trips ... more for 30km to 150 km day trips at around about the speed limit.
A brand new Scorpio at $3995 appeals while she gets her confidence back with a move to something a bit bigger in due course. Obviously a 2 year warranty and the confidence that the bike hasn't been thrashed by a previous owner goes some way to making up the difference between the 225cc single cylinder and a second hand 250cc twin cylinder and of course at about $1000 cheaper

Thanks for the info.

[Mathiacus]

i just rolled mine out of the shop yesterday. it was a bit funny.. going from a 24 year old 2 stroke to a new 4 stroke. i have the impression that i have gone form "the fastest thing on two wheels" to the slowest. i know im only running it in. but i hit top (5th) gear too soon. travelling around town at 60 km in 5th.... get to the highway where it is 80kmh and dont have to change up???. i think this bike needs about 3 more gears. the handling is very sharp, it stops fine. i would recomend this bike to any learner (not to a 22 year old thrill seeker). i will say the best thing about this bike is the fact that i am not going to kill myself off it.
anybody know much about the '83 model yamaha rz250?

[el loco jalapeno]

i know im only running it in. but i hit top (5th) gear too soon. travelling around town at 60 km in 5th.... get to the highway where it is 80kmh and dont have to change up???. i think this bike needs about 3 more gears.

Haha, I find myself thinking that too... at least one more would be good :D

It's not a bike for speed demons, but responsible learner types... well doing 1500km on the road before getting one's licence might not be responsible, if it was hypothetically done... but at least I've got my bit of paper now!

I can see I'll be shopping in approximately six months though.

[Oakie]

Seems the Scorpio is off the shopping list. Mrs Oakie found it just a shade too tall for her diminutive legs.

[dman]

No fairing is a plus for learners - not that they have come even close to using this advantage yet.Why would no fairing be a good idea for a learner?

[xwhatsit]

Why would no fairing be a good idea for a learner?

In the first few weeks of owning a bike, you're likely to occasionally forget about things like side stands, whether or not the bike is in gear, putting your feet down soon enough when you come to a stop, screwing up U-turns in your driveway, etc etc. I dropped mine trying to bump start it ^_^. So if you happen to drop your bike, if it has no fairings, you're going to be a lot better off. It's just like dropping your bicycle; maybe some broken/bent clutch/brake levers and some scratches. With fairings, they crack and snap and can get a whole lot more expensive.

[McJim]

Why would no fairing be a good idea for a learner?

Yeah what Xerxes said.

Those moulded pieces of plastic covering the front of bikes are:

a: Fragile.
b: Several hundred bucks per panel.

But they're bloody useful at 120kph+ (which no learner should be doing anyway)

[dman]

ahh... ka-click! Of course, does this mean it would be a good idea for a learner to take of his fairings initially? Seeing that they serve no other useful purpose other than aerodymanics (which is a very useful purpose indeed! But not intially so important to a learner).

[xwhatsit]

ahh... ka-click! Of course, does this mean it would be a good idea for a learner to take of his fairings initially? Seeing that they serve no other useful purpose other than aerodymanics (which is a very useful purpose indeed! But not intially so important to a learner).

Taking fairings off is not always so straightforward. On sportsbikes, often things like headlights, indicators, and mirrors are attached to the fairings. So if you take them off, you no longer have those good things.

The aerodynamic qualities of fairings are somewhat overrated, IMHO -- at least at speeds <=120kph. For a 250cc bike used at road legal speeds, they mainly serve the purpose of inspiring the appropriate sportsbike aesthetic, and (what I think McJim referred to) minimise the wind buffeting you around (at 100kph you do get blown around quite a bit on a naked bike -- I enjoy the feeling :D).

[The Stranger]

at 100kph you do get blown around quite a bit on a naked bike -- I enjoy the feeling.

Harden up. At 180 it is still comfortable, 180 - 200 is good for building neck muscles 200+ good for building arm muscles and learning to ride whilst horizontal and without your feet on the pegs.

[xwhatsit]

Harden up. At 180 it is still comfortable, 180 - 200 is good for building neck muscles 200+ good for building arm muscles and learning to ride whilst horizontal and without your feet on the pegs.

Lol, I'm talking about from a newbie/car-driver's point of view. More buffeting than anything uncomfortable. Like I said, I quite enjoy being in the wind -- fully faired bikes seem boring, I have no desire to sit in a cocoon of air (as RantyDave just put it in another thread, travelling `in a bubble of air whose sole purpose is to stop you from thinking you're moving forwards at all'). When your bike maxes out at 145kph flat on the tank, you need something to give you a sense of straight line speed.

[el loco jalapeno]

After other posts in this thread, I thought I had better check my estimate of top speed. Went for a blat up the motorway and it topped out at 130kph at 8,000 RPM. I am 100kg (of solid muscle). It is red lined at 9,500 RPM.

This bike has only travelled 150 km so I didn't want to ring it whilst running it in. I am farily confident that I would get 140kph out of it max after it has loosened up a bit in say a couple of thousand km and am sure you would easily get that, or more, with an average weight rider.

I can now confirm the Scorpio's ceiling is somewhere around 130 on reasonably flat road. I haven't weighed myself in years but I must be 70kg max, and lying flat on the tank with the throttle wide open, it was just over the 130 mark (and it wouldn't make it to redline :laugh:). Admittedly I had a backpack on but nothing much in it, so there could have been some aerodynamic effect. You'd see 140 with a slight bit of downhill or a tail wind though.

[Lucy]

I can now confirm the Scorpio's ceiling is somewhere around 130 on reasonably flat road. I haven't weighed myself in years but I must be 70kg max, and lying flat on the tank with the throttle wide open, it was just over the 130 mark (and it wouldn't make it to redline :laugh:). Admittedly I had a backpack on but nothing much in it, so there could have been some aerodynamic effect. You'd see 140 with a slight bit of downhill or a tail wind though.


That's interesting. My Gn goes 100 easily, and one day I was trying to catch up with someone and twisted the throttle as far as it would go and it was about 105, BUT, then, later on I held the throttle open again, and kept it there, and the speed crept up and up and up, and I ended up at 120 and accelerating. Got scared and slowed down. And I'm NOT 70kg max.... So it took a while to get there, but get there it did. And it wasn't a fluke because another day I got to 120-130ish. (too scared to take my eyes off the road to check properly).

[kazter]

I can now confirm the Scorpio's ceiling is somewhere around 130 on reasonably flat road. I haven't weighed myself in years but I must be 70kg max, and lying flat on the tank with the throttle wide open, it was just over the 130 mark (and it wouldn't make it to redline :laugh:). Admittedly I had a backpack on but nothing much in it, so there could have been some aerodynamic effect. You'd see 140 with a slight bit of downhill or a tail wind though.

i think it depends on the engine and carburetor settings, and i agree for average top speed for new scorpios on the roads is 130ish.

[kazter]

this is called water and air injection (WrAin) made by sheldiez from indonesia for yamaha scorpio, and he has already sent one of this system to aussie, water that used in this system is aquadest and methanol (50-50 comparison), to cool down your engine more than using an oil cooler and increases power for my bike and i've been using this almost for a year. you can ask him via email / messenger (sheldiez@yahoo.com) about this system technically.

[b1k3r_80y2]

i think it depends on the engine and carburetor settings, and i agree for average top speed for new scorpios on the roads is 130ish.


or... you may use bigbore kit for XT250...? :dodge: :dodge:
is it applicable ...?

[kazter]

or... you may use big bore kit for XT250...? :dodge: :dodge:
is it applicable ...?

even if its applicable, it probably takes more cash to spend.... :bye: :laugh:

[carver]

they are good, but the bars on them are strange, and the rear brake sucks, and the rear sahock is a bit too firm.
better then a GayN250 though...

[b1k3r_80y2]

they are good, but the bars on them are strange, and the rear brake sucks, and the rear sahock is a bit too firm.
better then a GayN250 though...

How if you change it like one of these...?

[sheldiez]

waw....that's great.....ugh......
can we change the rear brake with a disc brake ???

[b1k3r_80y2]

waw....that's great.....ugh......
can we change the rear brake with a disc brake ???

of course you can...:yes: :yes:
but you need a little effort to do it...:yes:

[alexthekidd]

have you considered a Bandit 250, nice low seat height, no fairing, brilliant little bike

[jmapaliey]

hi all, newbie here would like to join the discussion...thanks for welcoming me...
:Peace:

[dart1202]

heheh.. discus about wrain, i has already use that on CBX200.. make new power on low level...

*ckckc sampai sini juga ya.. wrain

[kazza_nz_05]

Hey el loco jalapeno,

When you brought your Yamaha Scorpio, did it come with a toolkit?

I just brought one and we couldn't find the toolkit under the seat....Maybe it was mistakingly taken out. Just want to know whether they are suppose to come with one.,

Karen

[darkwolf]

How do these engines deal with consistent speed. My way of thinking is - if they are struggling to push 120KPH and they appear to be fair wringing out to reach 100KPH, how long would they stay at 100KPH seeing as they are only air cooled.

[skidMark]

How do these engines deal with consistent speed. My way of thinking is - if they are struggling to push 120KPH and they appear to be fair wringing out to reach 100KPH, how long would they stay at 100KPH seeing as they are only air cooled.


alot of air passes over a motor at 100kph....but yes good point ive heard of lifans only getting from auckland to palmy on way to wellignton that blew big end bearings and it had only done like 500 k since new only 200 cc single 4 stroke that did about 120ish...

they just arnt designed to hold that speed....

this is why i ride kawasakis...they never made this kind of crap well maybe 20 years ago.

[terbang]

Apa Kabar. I imagine that you could do dome serious lane splitting in Jakarta as well on a Scorpio.

[darkwolf]

alot of air passes over a motor at 100kph....but yes good point ive heard of lifans only getting from auckland to palmy on way to wellignton that blew big end bearings and it had only done like 500 k since new only 200 cc single 4 stroke that did about 120ish...

they just arnt designed to hold that speed....

this is why i ride kawasakis...they never made this kind of crap well maybe 20 years ago.

OK so you're talking a fairly large amount of time at 100KPH+ but what about 15 mins at a time? Would I be expecting to be causing damage due to heat? Also what RPM are they actually doing at 100KPH?

[EJK]

I believe Yamaha engines are damn reliable (according to some Yamaha riders).

So.....

Get a Scorpio ;)

[sheldiez]

I drove my self and my scorpio on
4th gear.....13500 Rpm on 160 Kmh for about 30 sec
and End up like this...

http://wrain.panglimaorganizer.com/forum/gambar/pistons.jpg
http://wrain.panglimaorganizer.com/forum/gambar/blok.jpg

so ??????

[getafix]

alot of air passes over a motor at 100kph....but yes good point ive heard of lifans only getting from auckland to palmy on way to wellignton that blew big end bearings and it had only done like 500 k since new only 200 cc single 4 stroke that did about 120ish...

they just arnt designed to hold that speed....

this is why i ride kawasakis...they never made this kind of crap well maybe 20 years ago.

Seems to be no prob for scorpio. I rode mine from Hamilton too woodville, Just out of palmy and back at 110 120 kmh

[robo555]

I drove my self and my scorpio on
4th gear.....13500 Rpm on 160 Kmh for about 30 sec
and End up like this...

http://wrain.panglimaorganizer.com/forum/gambar/pistons.jpg
http://wrain.panglimaorganizer.com/forum/gambar/blok.jpg

so ??????

The dial on my Scorpio red lines at 9000 rpm, so...?

[swedencamilla]

Hey el loco jalapeno,

When you brought your Yamaha Scorpio, did it come with a toolkit?

I just brought one and we couldn't find the toolkit under the seat....Maybe it was mistakingly taken out. Just want to know whether they are suppose to come with one.,

Karen
Mine came with a tool kit and I bought mine a few months ago. I would contact your dealer if I were you.

[mj_scorpio]

i have 1 an its gr8!! It's my first bike and i'd recommend it 2 any1 starting out. it's very forgiving but still heaps of fun and not to big and bulky which is nice 4 us girls :) I got it 2 save money petrol wise and I'm now addicted to riding!

[bezajel]

Mine came with a tool kit and I bought mine a few months ago. I would contact your dealer if I were you.

Ditto, mine has one.


i have 1 an its gr8!! It's my first bike and i'd recommend it 2 any1 starting out. it's very forgiving but still heaps of fun and not to big and bulky which is nice 4 us girls :) I got it 2 save money petrol wise and I'm now addicted to riding!

It's fun aye! *wheee!!!!*

[HTFU]

Ditto, mine has one.



It's fun aye! *wheee!!!!*

the new model looks nice with the alloy rims. :yes:

[bezajel]

the new model looks nice with the alloy rims. :yes:

Yeah, I was gonna buy one anyway, but when the new one came out I was like "yuss!!"

[Petal05]

Only had mine for a few days, still learning but a good bike for lady's.
If I can just stop stalling it, I might get enough nerve to go for a decent ride. LOL:confused:

[bezajel]

Only had mine for a few days, still learning but a good bike for lady's.
If I can just stop stalling it, I might get enough nerve to go for a decent ride. LOL:confused:

Ah yeah, my first day I tried to ride it out on the road and stalled just after pulling out of the drive... then I spent a few hours in a carpark just stopping and starting until I had that pretty much down, and after that I've only really stalled doing things like hill starts, or forgetting to clutch when I stop lol...

[mj_scorpio]

Only had mine for a few days, still learning but a good bike for lady's.
If I can just stop stalling it, I might get enough nerve to go for a decent ride. LOL:confused:

I honestly lost count of the times I stalled mine...pretty sure it was way over the 50 mark haha slow learner I guess, an it look me a few days 2 even get out of da driveway! but just get out there as much as possible an as often as possible, If I can get it, pretty sure any1 can!! :yes:

[Petal05]

I thought it was just me, I can't go back down through the gears yet, so just pull the clutch in and stop at intersections.......only problem is then I can't find first, don't Laugh!!!, I know where it is...but just have trouble getting it into first...any sugestions???????

[mj_scorpio]

um I'm no expert yet lol but I'd say take it slow and if its nice an quiet try slowin down quite early b4 the intersections and changin down as you go so by the time you get there your in about second ....
an also if your've stopped and not sure wot ur in just keep goin down til it won't go further, I also find if ya not sure if ur in first or second it helps to let da clutch out half way then pull it back in an try goin down again, and that definately wil get u into first.
oo an if I'm really not sure lol...i flick it up half way an see if the neutral light goes on and then u no exactly where u are :)

hope this doesn't confuse u more!!

[Petal05]

:laugh:, just been out and tryed that in a park, getting better...I just panic when there is a car behind me. The first day I rode it I got stuck at a give way, and the harder I tryed the worse it got. then the car behind started to toot non stop, to my surprise when it was next to me at the next intersection it was an old lady.....grrrrrrrr:2guns:, don't they get free buss passes????
Anyway thanks for your help...I really just need to slow down, and think about what I'm doing.

[bezajel]

:laugh:, just been out and tryed that in a park, getting better...I just panic when there is a car behind me. The first day I rode it I got stuck at a give way, and the harder I tryed the worse it got. then the car behind started to toot non stop, to my surprise when it was next to me at the next intersection it was an old lady.....grrrrrrrr:2guns:, don't they get free buss passes????
Anyway thanks for your help...I really just need to slow down, and think about what I'm doing.

Ugh... tooting behind you really doesn't help you keep cool enough to get started again! :sweatdrop I always hope that my L plate will make people more understanding when I do something that sucks. So far the worst I've done is taking about ten minutes to get out of my carpark due to swipe access doors on a slope (and stalling over and over and over). There was a car behind me, but apparently they were smiling so whew! Hope you don't come across too many people who are intolerant...

[xwhatsit]

It's been said in plenty of other threads, but bike gearboxes don't like to shift when they're not moving. It can be a prick to change gears when your stopped, unless you sort of rock the bike forward and back a little bit.

Best, safest practice is to change down through the gears as you slow down to a stop :)

[Petal05]

that was the case, (just joined so didn't see the past threads on this subject), but yes that makes sense, real easy to change while moving....LOL you guys will make a Kiwi Biker out of me yet..Thanks

[mia_wallace]

I got the 08 scorpio, comes in red instead of blue now. Its cheap, efficient and light weight, perfect for someone with a small frame =) I recommend it !

[mia_wallace]

sorry to hear you guys have had some people be rude - people need to lighten up aye!! =) its all in good time!