Wellington Ride to Wairarapa for newbies 8 April 2007 Photos here

[merv]

Ok I'll get posting a few photos for you.

Thanks to Mrs Kendog we had a ride to Wairarapa today and the weather stayed great contrary to forecast and we got a good turnout even if only a few were newbies. Even Colapop turned up on a ride that I was on for the first time.

I'll get the pics started and might come back later and add some more comment.

Edit: In the end I figure so many turned up I'd be doing you a disservice to list the names because I'm bound to leave a few out. However it was nice to see Andrew Templeton join a KB ride on the ST and quallman1234 on the DT175 which was looking great except for the broken headlight glass. How'd you do that? Steam joined us to have another perfect day and I hadn't seen him on a ride before only at the lunch.

[merv]

You can see it was nice and sunny.

[merv]

The bikes kept arriving at Rimutex and even Paul and Vicky turned up, this time with the Triumph sporting a green tank which Paul tells us is the real McCoy.

[merv]

Not long after we got on our way then regrouped again at the summit carpark.

[merv]

Then it was off down the hill and regroup again at Featherston. Lissa is such a cool chick she looks good with her GN and the boys can't leave her alone.

[merv]

Then just as Mrs Kendog planned we all had a picnic in the square at Martinborough. The restaurants actually were open so those that didn't bring a packed lunch were able to buy burgers and stuff over the road. Thanks for the Easter eggs - were they from Mrs KD or Lissa I can't remember?

A couple of traction engines turned up too.

[Trudes]

Noice one Uncle Merv!!! :rockon:

[merv]

Colapop certainly makes his presence noticed.

Lissa is that tongue poke really just for me?

Then for those that followed Col it was off to Lake Ferry. Nice view from the pub.

[Trudes]

LMAO!!! Elle you did do a good "pained" look, just how you wanted!

[merv]

Noice one Uncle Merv!!! :rockon:

Yeah I was a bit later home due to the trip to Lake Ferry but I'm getting there with the pics then I guess I better go have a shower.

Now you know where Lake Ferry is I'm pointing to it for you.

Here's a couple of shots of Hawkeye's best side for you, his backside.

Final pic is when we had a quick stop at Featherston on the way back. By then it was the merv's, Colapop, Hawkeye and STAIN that were together.

Nice ride today as always and the weather did hold out for us so ups to that :sunny: .

[Trudes]

hehe, you are cheeky!! :yes:

[merv]

hehe, you are cheeky!! :yes:

Its a tough job but someone's got to do it.

[GSVR]

Good pictures Merv Get to see the goings on before you guys got to Featherston.

[Colapop]

Little and cheeky.
The tongue (Lissa's) wasn't for you - she was about to tempt me with it before you took the photo... in the same shot Elle wasn't 'pained' she was annoyed that Lissa was getting in ahead of her..
As you can see I for one wasn't impressed with Hawkeye's 'good' side (better than his backside apparently tho')
A brilliant sun shining day... pity the girls couldn't come along further... I think I did a good job of leading you all up the garden path... except to W/Lakes road... that I missed (only by a bit though)

Cheers
You all for a great day out.

[merv]

As you can see I for one wasn't impressed with Hawkeye's 'good' side (better than his backside apparently tho')

Or was that the Bundy making you pull a face like you were about to do something we would regret?

[merv]

Good pictures Merv Get to see the goings on before you guys got to Featherston.

You could always meet us at Rimutex next time and get in the early pics.

[elle-f]

LMAO!!! Elle you did do a good "pained" look, just how you wanted!

OMGAWD :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

Great photo's (as Normal) Merv. Shame we didn't have a camera on the way home. Pulled up at the light's in the Hutt. Guy on a GSX1000 pulls up along side. Lights change and he pull's a 100k wheelie in front of me. Goes past a line of cages on the back wheel.:gob:
Colapop pulled alongside a minibus full of punters that the guy had just passed and mimics trying to get the bike up. I almost dropped the bike laughing.

[Lissa]

Great Photos Merv!! Was such a fun day... lots of laughs. Damn I didnt tempt you first Col before Elle got her way with you... you gotta watch her. ;) Hope you all had a fun time... GarryH, I cleaned and clothes dried my Jeans so they wouldnt be baggy and did anyone notice?!! heehee


But seriously, Trudes.. great organising babe, always have heaps of fun with you around. And all you other buggers... you rock. :)

[phoenixgtr]

Looks like you lot had an awesome day. Good on ya

[Terminated]

Looks like you lot had an awesome day. Good on ya

Was a very good day, next week I am thinking of a departure from Rimutex with a little twist, something for the 'newbies' and something for the 'learned', a buddy system up and over the hill.....

More later.

[C&C-rider]

:blink: where was I... Ah yes. Thanks for cruising along / back with us Trudes , that was very thoughtfull :yes:

My ear got worse ( its infected ) so I decided to go to the hospitalos to have a doc take a look at it. Anyway , just got home 30 minutes ago.

Colapopster thanks for making me lough!:lol:

I'll see y'all next sunday!

:done:

[Trudes]

Look after that ear mate, and we'll see you next Sunday!!:sunny:

[merv]

GarryH, I cleaned and clothes dried my Jeans so they wouldnt be baggy and did anyone notice?!! heehee


Damn I thought they looked good on Friday and the cheek of that man to think you needed 2 sizes smaller - no worries, I noticed, nothing baggy about them.

[Colapop]

Hmm they felt fine to me.. :innocent:

[Bonez]

Hey looks like you all had fun. Well done.

[GSVR]

GarryH, I cleaned and clothes dried my Jeans so they wouldnt be baggy and did anyone notice?!! heehee

I was serious about going a size smaller. My draggin jeans are a size 32 and I reacon they are a ladies pair as the change pocket is on the left hand side. What size are yours? Maybe you could try getting into my pants one day.

This weathers bad as I'll probably go for another ride today (4th in a row)and get nothing done on my project bike again.

[Hawkeye]

Hmm they felt fine to me.. :innocent:

Down boy:drool:

[Hawkeye]

Maybe you could try getting into my pants one day.



Bloody hell Lissa, you've got a bit of a fan club building here. Maybe it's due to the pic of you next to the GN taken at Featherstone.
I don't know what the guy behind you in the pic was looking at whilst it was being taken :innocent: :whistle:

[Ms Piggy]

Great pics Merv! Cheers! :)

[Hawkeye]

Mrs KD. How about adopting my suggestion for the ride next week.
We meet at Caltex (can't spell Kaiwharawhara!) a little earlier, Take highway 1 to Plimmerton and go around Grey's road to meet up with the group at Pauatahanui. Then over haywards to the meet at the duck pond.

It would probably mean a depart from Kaiwharawhara about 10.15 -10.20 but a nice little warm up for the city newbies.

Just a suggestion...:psst:

[Grub]

Have to say, that was a very cool day for "newbies". What a great group and a good ride. Was good to see Garry all the way down our way too.

Are the newbies getting the fix they need? Just being out and about with everyone seems to fill the bill? When I was pootling along as TEC there was a stream of bikes just in front, not going too fast and I didn't see anyone who looked uncomfortable.

Certainly if there's any newbies who think it was all a bit too far, too furious, too anything ... I hope thay say so.

[Lissa]

I was serious about going a size smaller. My draggin jeans are a size 32 and I reacon they are a ladies pair as the change pocket is on the left hand side. What size are yours? Maybe you could try getting into my pants one day.

This weathers bad as I'll probably go for another ride today (4th in a row)and get nothing done on my project bike again.
My draggins are a size 10... which is pretty small. I notice they get baggier the more I wear them, sucks really because they cost over $200. Is why I will invest in Leathers at some stage, after I get the new bike. :)

Next ride, I will endevour to meet you guys at Rimutex, and make it a longer ride for me. (as long as there is no wind, or its not wet on the hill).

[Hawkeye]

Have to say, that was a very cool day for "newbies". What a great group and a good ride. Was good to see Garry all the way down our way too.

Are the newbies getting the fix they need? Just being out and about with everyone seems to fill the bill? When I was pootling along as TEC there was a stream of bikes just in front, not going too fast and I didn't see anyone who looked uncomfortable.

Certainly if there's any newbies who think it was all a bit too far, too furious, too anything ... I hope thay say so.


I have to agree with you there Grub. After yesterday's ride I probably don't fit the 'newbie' role quite so much.

I was conscious of the speed going over the hill and thought my group was a little high for total newbies but I don't think we had any in that category. I still consider myself a relative newbie due to the step up from the CBX250 to the CB500s only recently and compared to a lot of people on the ride I'm still a novice. But everytime I go out, the confidence on the 500 increases.

You did a fine job as TEC Grub. And If there are any Newbies out there that were uncomfortable, do speak out. These rides ARE for you and we will always ensure that we cater for all levels. ( I just needed to push myself this week so moved up a level).

When we left the square for Lake Ferry, it certainly wasn't newbie pace (thanks Cola) but I had a blast. And the ride back the other way with Merv, Stain and Colapop was also good as I got to follow Merv's lines and had Bryce (Stain) able to assess and comment on mine. Thanks guys :2thumbsup

I thought that 4x4 was trying to wear you as a hood ornament on the way back over the hill Grub. Good on you for protecting Nasty from the moron driving it.

[Hawkeye]

My draggins are a size 10... which is pretty small.

And you look very nice in them :innocent:

[Trudes]

Mrs KD. How about adopting my suggestion for the ride next week.
We meet at Caltex (can't spell Kaiwharawhara!) a little earlier, Take highway 1 to Plimmerton and go around Grey's road to meet up with the group at Pauatahanui. Then over haywards to the meet at the duck pond.

It would probably mean a depart from Kaiwharawhara about 10.15 -10.20 but a nice little warm up for the city newbies.

Just a suggestion...:psst:

Sounds good to me. I was thinking I should maybe change the ride details for next week anyway and leave out the duck pond stop, whaddaya reckon?

[Hawkeye]

Sounds good to me. I was thinking I should maybe change the ride details for next week anyway and leave out the duck pond stop, whaddaya reckon?

I suppose the duck pond crew could just meet us up at Rimatex to save us going in the opposite direction at the bottom of Haywards.
Sounds like a plan Stan.

Hopefully I can pursuade the rellies to go to TePapa. I don't know what their plans are yet so I'm still a maybe for the ride.

[merv]

We won't make next week's ride as we've already got a long trail bike weekend booked so will try and find as much gravel as we can so someone else better take the photos.

[C&C-rider]

These rides ARE for you and we will always ensure that we cater for all levels.

I dunno where the duck pond is nor where Rimutex is but Ill join. However I consider myself as a newbie and my girl isnt very happy if I push her to 120km/h ( nor is da :Police: )

So if you don't mind me saying I would appreciate if we could keep da speed around 100 max . That would be newbie mode :yes:

:done:

[Trudes]

I dunno where the duck pond is nor where Rimutex is but Ill join. However I consider myself as a newbie and my girl isnt very happy if I push her to 120km/h ( nor is da :Police: )

So if you don't mind me saying I would appreciate if we could keep da speed around 100 max . That would be newbie mode :yes:

:done:

No probs dude, and Rimutex is the Rimutaka Caltex service station, the last servo on the left before heading up the hill where we all meet.
The main reason the ride got a little on the "fast" side is because we didn't think we actually had any newbies with us, just a couple of people new to KB, so good on you for speaking up and letting us know, I'm sure we'll tone it down a bit for next week (eh Col, lol, just kidding ya!). Also maybe if we keep the slower group and the faster group thing too, may be a good idea so nobody feels preasured to "keep up".

[Trudes]

As suggested by Hawkeye, I'm going to change the meet details so we meet at Caltex truck stop Hutt road Kaiwharawhara at 9:45am, 10am departure, ride SH2 to Plimmerton and take Greys rd to Pahatanui and over the Haywards to meet everyone else at Rimutex for 11:30 departure. Lunch at the pub in Featherston then free for all!
Any objections or other ideas?

[merv]

My draggins are a size 10... which is pretty small. I notice they get baggier the more I wear them, sucks really because they cost over $200. Is why I will invest in Leathers at some stage, after I get the new bike. :)


I would never have thought you were any more than a size 10 so when Garry made his crack yeah I couldn't see you getting into a 6. As for leather, I'm wearing the same old leather trou and funny thing is they tighten up with age not get baggier like the Draggins or is that more to do with how many kilos I weigh compared to when I bought them? Leather certainly stays good for years - ssshhhh don't tell anyone, but mine are 1975 vintage, from almost before you were even born.

[NZsarge]

Then it was off down the hill and regroup again at Featherston. Lissa is such a cool chick she looks good with her GN and the boys can't leave her alone.
Well she does look pretty cute i must say.

[hsvboy06]

Lunch at the pub in Featherston then free for all!
Just make sure any newbies are still looked after in the "free for all" bit. Nothing worse as a newbie than being escorted to the middle of nowhere and then being abandoned and left to find your own way home! (I speak from experience - not a KB ride, though)

I had a great time yesterday - the ride, the company and the weather were all great - thanks! I lost sight of everyone on the detour around the lake (no worries, I can take care of myself), and in the end I abandoned it in favour of the short cut back to Featherston. A fun ride back over the Three Hills (Takas / Haywards / Paekak). Back home in time to do a bit more playhouse building...

I can't make it next week (daughter's birthday), and probably not the following weekend either, but I'm still keen on the idea of starting a weekly weekend cruisy (newbie) ride in the same vain as TCWNR - does anyone else think this would be good?

[Colapop]

That's the entryway right?

[Trudes]

Just make sure any newbies are still looked after in the "free for all" bit. Nothing worse as a newbie than being escorted to the middle of nowhere and then being abandoned and left to find your own way home! (I speak from experience - not a KB ride, though)

Yep good point, but as I don't class myself in the league of being an experienced rider, I would not like to be left with the responsibility of looking after newbies, especially on my own or with my hubby as we often have been. This is one of the reasons why experienced riders were called on to come along and help.:sunny:


but I'm still keen on the idea of starting a weekly weekend cruisy (newbie) ride in the same vain as TCWNR - does anyone else think this would be good?

It's a good idea, but as much as I organised these rides this time (because nobody else put their hand up to do it), I would not be keen to organise them all the time. Once or twice a year, but I don't have the time/energy/patience or like having the responsibility of it, to do more than that sorry. Someone else may like to organise more regular rides....:scooter:

[James Deuce]

It's a good idea, but as much as I organised these rides this time (because nobody else put their hand up to do it), I would not be keen to organise them all the time. Once or twice a year, but I don't have the time/energy/patience or like having the responsibility of it, to do more than that sorry. Someone else may like to organise more regular rides....:scooter:

One also needs to ask the question - why organise mass rides for newbies anyway?

KB mass rides especially for newbies, do NOT have enough time put into presenting the dangers of riding in a group (by far the most dangerous thing you will do on a bike), and very few people have the testicular fortitude to tell someone who is behaving like a dick to go ride by themselves please.

I think it shows great wisdom to be wary of organising group rides Mrs Kendog.

I think small groups of maybe no more than four with an experienced leader and TEC might be the way to manage newbie rides in future.

Bikes and people die on group rides. Newbie group rides should be about developing a disciplined approach to social group rides. Social rides are not to be confused with the fang rides that people go on with good mates, people they've ridden with for years.

[Colapop]

Jim while I cannot argue that there have been unfortunate incidents and the untimely passing of some great people on group rides the group ride itself has not been the cause of the accidents. By providing a disciplined approach group rides can be a good learning experience for a number of people at one time.

How do you tell people that there are limited numbers allowed on a newbie ride? How you determine who should or should not ride? Shouldn't we, as a group of riders, be trying to encourage and help new or learning riders as much as possible?

For the record there were no bins yesterday on the ride that was organised.

[Trudes]

That's a bloody good point Jim. I think Buckbuck mentioned something about a buddy system for this next ride. Maybe that's the way to handle it. It's nice for newer riders and people new to KB to meet a big bunch of KBers, and talk rubbish at lunch, but maybe while riding we could buddy each newbie up with an experienced rider to ride with.:scooter:

[The Pastor]

which one is unlce pop?

[Colapop]

Uncle Pop??? You wanna know which is me? I'll change my profile pic for a couple of days...

I'm the one in the middle...

[James Deuce]

Jim while I cannot argue that there have been unfortunate incidents and the untimely passing of some great people on group rides the group ride itself has not been the cause of the accidents. By providing a disciplined approach group rides can be a good learning experience for a number of people at one time.

How do you tell people that there are limited numbers allowed on a newbie ride? How you determine who should or should not ride? Shouldn't we, as a group of riders, be trying to encourage and help new or learning riders as much as possible?

For the record there were no bins yesterday on the ride that was organised.

You tell people there are limited numbers on a newbie ride based on how many experienced people with the right attitude are turning up. You shouldn't be throwing people into a group situation without a good idea of what sort of space their head operates in and whether or not you know that they can be relied up to make good decisions. You certainly shouldn't be doing it without having clear instructions for leaders and TECs, clear ideas of your destination that everyone understands, and a commonly understood set of basic guidelines for what constitutes safe group riding behaviour.

Group riding is very, very dangerous. You are being far too flippant. I do not go on many group rides anymore, becauseI've seen people die on rides I've organised, and I've had people ruin mine and other people's day (literally - going and getting a trailer to haul back someone's wrecked bike roots your riding time fun) because they just weren't up to riding in a large group.

You try wearing the responsibility of killing, maiming, and leading people into damaging their bike and having to spend a lot of money to put things right and then tell me that organising large rides, with people who've never ridden in a group of more than 2 or 3 people, maybe never ventured out of an urban area, is perfectly safe.

[elle-f]

I was under the impression that these *Newbie* rides were for newer riders OR those who are new to KB - which doesn't mean they have no experience. Not that it matters.

ANYHOW..

My draggins are a size 8 and are baggy.....that's all I'm saying

[elle-f]

btw Jim - I did read your post and i am sorry you have seen people die on the roads. That would be my worst nightmare. I also see the points that you have made very clearly.

Elle

[merv]

My draggins are a size 8 and are baggy.....that's all I'm saying

So you got some leather on order too like Mrs KD?

As for group rides I've always enjoyed them whether it be road rides with e-riders, Ulysses or KB, or trail rides or adventure rides where we can have hundreds turn up and there has been little need for many rules.

It is always difficult to deal with the different wants and needs. It was typical when I rode with Ulysses and to some degree with e-riders and now with KB that once the lunch break is over everyone has different needs about home time and so the group disperses and then it is hard to look after everyone because they don't all want to go the same way. At that point even newbies need to take some personal responsibilty and perhaps make sure they are at least teamed up with someone.

[James Deuce]

I was under the impression that these *Newbie* rides were for newer riders OR those who are new to KB - which doesn't mean they have no experience. Not that it matters.



Yes, I know what you mean.

In my experience, the "experienced" riders who've never ridden with the group they now find themselves in are worse than 19 year old males riding 250 two strokes.

They inevitably end up racing each other and being drawn into riding faster than they should be.

Thanks for understanding where my bleak view of group riding comes from.

[James Deuce]

It is always difficult to deal with the different wants and needs. It was typical when I rode with Ulysses and to some degree with e-riders and now with KB that once the lunch break is over everyone has different needs about home time and so the group disperses and then it is hard to look after everyone because they don't all want to go the same way. At that point even newbies need to take some personal responsibilty and perhaps make sure they are at least teamed up with someone.

I actually think that attitude stems from the Kiwi, "she'll be right attitude". I think that it is counter-productive, and when you are specifically targeting new riders you need to take a bit more responsibility for making sure they understand where you are going and making sure they are comfortable and happy.

My first few group rides were nasty because I was trying to keep up with mono-syllabic blokes who were of the opinion that if you couldn't keep up with a highly modified RD350 on your 250 single, then you weren't worthy of every being invited back.

I've done the group ride thing for more than 20 years. I'm kind of sick of having to clean up after other people's crashes, when the crashes could have been avoided.

You're talking about riding with people who've ridden for years too Merv, and have ridden in a social setting for years. Some of the KB rides have been first time group rides for people who've ridden alone for years.

[Hawkeye]

So you got some leather on order too like Mrs KD?

As for group rides I've always enjoyed them whether it be road rides with e-riders, Ulysses or KB, or trail rides or adventure rides where we can have hundreds turn up and there has been little need for many rules.

It is always difficult to deal with the different wants and needs. It was typical when I rode with Ulysses and to some degree with e-riders and now with KB that once the lunch break is over everyone has different needs about home time and so the group disperses and then it is hard to look after everyone because they don't all want to go the same way. At that point even newbies need to take some personal responsibilty and perhaps make sure they are at least teamed up with someone.

I know where your coming from Merv. It is the responsibility of each and every rider to ride within their own ability. When I am out on a ride, whether it be by myself, with a small group of mates or a bigger 'organised' ride, I take full responsibilities for my actions. I do not expect others to take that responsibility.
I am fortunate enough to never have been on a group ride where there has been an incident, and I hope that I never do. Years of driving a cage has taught me road sense and the need to keep myself safe. I ensure that I give myself the time and space to handle the conditions including the ability of the others around me. I am an old bugger (who is also a 'newbie' ) that has already got that survival instinct built in. That instinct tells me that I can't ride with the fast group. And if I don't feel comfortable I will back off even if it means I'm left behind. But,without the 'organised' group rides of KB I may never have had the opportunity to meet some good people that I now call friends.
My understanding of the newbie rides was to give newer riders the opportunity to meet other more experienced riders so they can ask the dumb questions and get a bit more education. I don't see it as a place for training. That's where the mentoring system kicks in.
Even the ride on Sunday, when the group split in different directions, there were experienced riders who left for the Hutt early whilst others headed out for a blast. There were other experienced riders that hung around and then had a leisurely ride back. As you said, It's up to each rider to join the group where they will feel comfortable.

[Colapop]

While I understand (and fully agree with) the burden of having organised a ride where there has been an accident, if it has not been of the organisers causing then the guilt should not be carried by that person (easier said than done though).
I raised these points not to be flippant or downplay the seriousness of some of the loutish behaviour shown by some riders on group rides, but to say that I for one don't want to turn newbie riders away from getting mentoring or advice that can be given. I don't claim to be as anywhere near experienced as some of the respondents to my comments, just trying find a common ground.

[James Deuce]

So the attitude is to keep your head buried in the sand, and never expect bad stuff to happen, to never learn from the experiences of the past, and just keep doing it the same old way then?

[Trudes]

Is the TinHutt(?) open on Sundays? Should we go there for lunch instead?

[Paul in NZ]

Is the TinHutt(?) open on Sundays? Should we go there for lunch instead?

I'm pretty sure it is..... Although the packed lunch thing woked for us last time.

Cheers

[merv]

So the attitude is to keep your head buried in the sand, and never expect bad stuff to happen, to never learn from the experiences of the past, and just keep doing it the same old way then?

I'm not sure if you were talking about my comments or not because basically all I was saying is that typically after the lunch break it is hard to keep everyone together. It is like herding cats when they all have a mind of their own, so if they all want to go and do different things then the organiser can't cater for all of that and that is when the others have to take responsibility for their own choices.

So we won't be seeing you much then Jim2 even though the couple of rides you did go on that I was on you seemed to enjoy the ride?

As for Sunday's ride BB#1 did the initial rider briefing, it was agreed we would regroup at the top of the hill and again at Featherston and take the direct route to Martinborough and there was a TEC - pretty clear and simple and everyone was able to keep up with so many stops over a short distance.

After lunch BB#1 headed off so Colapop took charge and announced that the next step was to go to Lake Ferry and then back home around Western Lakes road. Many decided not to do this while many did go to Lake Ferry. It was about personal choice.

So was there a problem? The ones on the ride don't seem to be saying so.

[Paul in NZ]

Just to add my two cents worth......

Rides advertised as being suitable for beginneres or less experienced people should (in my very humble opinion) be slightly more disciplined than a general gathering. I think it also speaks volumes that a lot of more experienced riders like to go on these rides as well. Maybe a lot of folks LIKE the idea of a gentler 'smell the roses' type ride...

Unfortunately, history has shown me that when motorcyclists get together on the road they usually behave with less common sense than usual and like Jim2 says, that can seriously put a crimp in your day. As time goes by, you DO see people die and get seriously injured and more often than not it's on a group ride. They can be quite a dangerous thing if you get swept up in it.

Vicki and I went to some pains to avoid group riding with KB on sunday. Not because we are incompetent but because a 1970 Triumph, 2 up does NOT behave on the road like even a GN250 does. It takes different lines in corners using a lot more road and braking is accomplished through anticipation and fear induced strength rather than a gentle squeeze of the right hand. As for passing, well, again, anticipation is your friend and if we get baulked by an inexperienced rider at the wrong time we can get ourselves into problems, particularly on the Rimutakas. Its best if we slither over by ourselves..... More experienced riders (but not all) tend to give us a little more room, riding with the classic club on similar machines, no sweat.

Now - whats the point of all this dribble.....

KB has genuine pulling power. Look at the numbers of people that turn up for these rides. Learner / inexperienced rider type rides are a bloody fantastic mutual support feature and must be encouraged. However, we should also recognise that a massed group represents a challenge in weekend traffic on the Rimutakas.

My suggestion would be to break up into groups of 4 or so similar bikes and set off at 30 sec intervals...

Problem is, like any suggestion, how will you enforce it? Answer, you can't - motorcyclists are rebellious individuals and don't like being told what to do. Long may that continue.

So - lets face it, there is always going to be mayhem and people will get hurt (emotionally and physically). Some will survive and thrive and some will wither and drift off into other activities, thats the way of it and I'm not sure anything can be done about it, more importantly, I'm not sure anything should be done....

[James Deuce]

I'm not sure if you were talking about my comments or not because basically all I was saying is that typically after the lunch break it is hard to keep everyone together. It is like herding cats when they all have a mind of their own, so if they all want to go and do different things then the organiser can't cater for all of that and that is when the others have to take responsibility for their own choices.

So we won't be seeing you much then Jim2 even though the couple of rides you did go on that I was on you seemed to enjoy the ride?

As for Sunday's ride BB#1 did the initial rider briefing, it was agreed we would regroup at the top of the hill and again at Featherston and take the direct route to Martinborough and there was a TEC - pretty clear and simple and everyone was able to keep up with so many stops over a short distance.

After lunch BB#1 headed off so Colapop took charge and announced that the next step was to go to Lake Ferry and then back home around Western Lakes road. Many decided not to do this while many did go to Lake Ferry. It was about personal choice.

So was there a problem? The ones on the ride don't seem to be saying so.

I'm not critiquing past rides, including last Sunday's one. I'm suggesting that they need to be done differently if they are aimed at newbies, new riders or new to KB inclusive.

You are correct that you wont see me on the large KB rides anymore. You seem to have missed the carnage afflicted rides over the last three years somehow Merv, and yes you are right about enjoying the rides I've been one where it has been broken up into groups that suit quite well. That first October ride was awesome. You and Finn made that ride a huge amount of quick and safe fun.

I just got tired of either ringing TSS to pick up someone's bike, or helping Bruce load a bike onto a trailer that he had to go back to Stokes Valley to get. There are a quite few people that I enjoy riding with in a small group that I've met through KB, but the big rides give me the shits, and people seem to have forgotten even recent lessons on where group rides can go all wrong.

[Colapop]

My preference is for smaller group rides too. I don't like to lead rides as I don't want to have the responsibility of setting the pace that others may feel they have to ride to. KB rides have become a very popular for various reasons, one being the comraderie of like minded people. The social aspect is pretty good. I wouldn't like to see that broken up by smaller groups possibly becoming cliquey. I've heard comments made about that already.

I wish there were no motorcycle accidents - whether on group rides or otherwise. We can only encourage other riders as much as possible to ride safely and respect other riders/road users around them. Smaller group riding is good and I think very large group riding should be left for events like toy runs etc. I guess having responsible mentors willing to take smaller groups under their wing (TCWNR's?) is the answer. Having 'someone' take on the responsibility for organising these sessions is also something that very few people are willing to do.

[Lissa]

Is the TinHutt(?) open on Sundays? Should we go there for lunch instead?

I'm pretty sure its open on Sundays Trudes. Not sure what the prices are like, might be quite expensive, but I dont see any reason people cant bring their own food. Might meet you guys at Rimutex if the weather conditions are good. After the Tin Hutt might ride to Martinb or something.

I class myself as a newbie of sorts, but I take responsiblitly for my own riding, and wont pass anyone. Maybe like Trudes said we have two groups, the Fast and the Slow?

[Paul in NZ]

My preference is for smaller group rides too. I don't like to lead rides as I don't want to have the responsibility of setting the pace that others may feel they have to ride to. KB rides have become a very popular for various reasons, one being the comraderie of like minded people. The social aspect is pretty good. I wouldn't like to see that broken up by smaller groups possibly becoming cliquey. I've heard comments made about that already.

I wish there were no motorcycle accidents - whether on group rides or otherwise. We can only encourage other riders as much as possible to ride safely and respect other riders/road users around them. Smaller group riding is good and I think very large group riding should be left for events like toy runs etc. I guess having responsible mentors willing to take smaller groups under their wing (TCWNR's?) is the answer. Having 'someone' take on the responsibility for organising these sessions is also something that very few people are willing to do.

Smaller sub groups inside bigger rides could be the go. Getting a larger single group of mismatched bikes past traffic is a major problem. From my limited experience, the longer the group the bigger the problem. 5 or 10 bikes - not much problem, 30 bikes - problem...

Responsible mentors? Hmm... I hate the mentor word, it assumes ordinary people know the answers to everything and I sure don't. Anyway, getting people to respect that in a group like KB an individual has some resposibility / authority in a situation is the biggest problem. Besides, whos gunna tell a weedy little poof like you that ya ride like a fairygrandmother.... :done:

ooopps....

[Paul in NZ]

Oh... Meant to say....

I'm still going to organise a mid winter overnighter with about 4 to 6 hours ride each way. It would be a great way for people that have never tried motorcycle touring to give it a go and I will organise a propper itinary and probably take a car trailer for luggage / mishaps if that would encourage more folks on smaller bikes to come along.

Cheers

[elle-f]

I'm pretty sure its open on Sundays Trudes. Not sure what the prices are like, might be quite expensive, but I dont see any reason people cant bring their own food. Might meet you guys at Rimutex if the weather conditions are good. After the Tin Hutt might ride to Martinb or something.

I class myself as a newbie of sorts, but I take responsiblitly for my own riding, and wont pass anyone. Maybe like Trudes said we have two groups, the Fast and the Slow?

BUt i am a medium rider - i dont try to keep up with those faster riders at all. i consider myself not a newbie but not experienced. I guess i class myself as somebody who loves getting out there on the motorbike

[Paul in NZ]

BUt i am a medium rider

I thought you had a radian? Honestly - I can't keep up with all these new models - a medium you say? Must be quite spiritual...

[skelstar]

I don't like to be pedantic and all PC but 'Faster/Slower' is likely to encourage aspirations in the hot-headed and immature. Theres no reason why you can't just say 'Experienced/Inexperienced' anyway. The IE get a helped/encouraged/escorted/sheparded whereas the Exp look after themselves.

[Lissa]

I don't like to be pedantic and all PC but 'Faster/Slower' is likely to encourage aspirations in the hot-headed and immature. Theres no reason why you can't just say 'Experienced/Inexperienced' anyway. The IE get a helped/encouraged/escorted/sheparded whereas the Exp look after themselves.

Whatever.... Slow, Med, fast...

I see your point. How about the Experienced look after themselves and the newbies... are looked after ie: a Leader and a Tail End Charlie. etc etc.

[James Deuce]

I don't like to be pedantic and all PC but 'Faster/Slower' is likely to encourage aspirations in the hot-headed and immature. Theres no reason why you can't just say 'Experienced/Inexperienced' anyway. The IE get a helped/encouraged/escorted/sheparded whereas the Exp look after themselves.

It's obviously a lost cause but I'm going to keep tilting at this particular windmill.

You can label it what you want but ego demands that you rate yourself a little better than you actually are.

No one, me included, is saying "thou shalt do it this way or be eternally damned."

But. It is either a group ride at a social pace, a set of groups with common destinations, or an opportunity to learn a little bit and make some sense of the billion things required to get from a to b successfully on a bike.

I'm starting to see why most motorcyclists hit a curmudgeon wall in their 40s sometime and then just ride by themselves from that point on.

If you don't set expectations of behaviour, with clearly defined repercussions if break those expectations, things will never change.

From personal experience, one's skills plateau from time to time, but your ego demands you up your expectations. It is at this point that stuff goes wrong.

Riding in groups is incredibly dangerous and requires a different mindset to going for a fang with mates you know. This is not usually apparent until you are trying to extract your front wheel from between the swingarm and rear wheel of the bike in front who suddenly stopped to make a closer inspection of the new type of reflective marker on the roadside.

[Trudes]

Ok, so are we having a "newbie ride" on Sunday? Any objections?

[Shadows]

Ok, so are we having a "newbie ride" on Sunday? Any objections?

No objections.... maybe some newbies will turn up!

[Trudes]

Hell, you never know our luck eh!:scooter:

[sels1]

No objections.... maybe some newbies will turn up!

I am trying to organise a couple....see how it goes

[Lissa]

Nope no objections Trudes. Like I said I count myself as newbish. Maybe this time will bring wrapped lollies and have a lollie scramble?? Ohh and dont let me forget to give you that money for UB's seat too!!

[Nasty]

The Grub and I are happy at the tail end ... I don't rush for no one .. and if people are happy to join me in a cruise at the back I am more than happy.

I don't like the pressure to ride fast ... I know that I can ride fast already I go along to just enjoy the ride and have a good lunch! (BTW I can't afford speeding tickets due to cage demerits gone before).

Cya there.

Nasty

[Trudes]

That's awesome sels, Mel and Nasty. Don't forget to check out the new plan for this week.:scooter:

[Paul in NZ]

That's awesome sels, Mel and Nasty. Don't forget to check out the new plan for this week.:scooter:

Oh crap - I'm useless at that finding things ting - please tell me where the new plan is? I may be allowed to come play but not sure...

[Trudes]

Oh crap - I'm useless at that finding things ting - please tell me where the new plan is? I may be allowed to come play but not sure...

haha, no probs Paul, this is from the calender events http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=1238&day=2007-4-15&

or the thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=46601

[Paul in NZ]

Thanks. Can you park out the back at the tin hut?

[elle-f]

I thought you had a radian? Honestly - I can't keep up with all these new models - a medium you say? Must be quite spiritual...

HAHA .... yes @ the medium. I ride along and guess the colour of the aura of people riding past and do readings on their lives. watch out!

[Paul in NZ]

HAHA .... yes @ the medium. I ride along and guess the colour of the aura of people riding past and do readings on their lives. watch out!

Yeah - I've done a few readings on peoples lives as they overtake me but its often a short story rather than a novel.... :innocent:

[quallman1234]

Im a newbieish, ill come again however im rather confident, but not too confident.
Unless im on that trail ride with my dad this weekend.

[Ms Piggy]

I won't be able to make it this weekend sorry, although I did enjoy tootling along on Sunday.

[merv]

quall how'd you break your headlight glass on the DT?

[Colapop]

I have no idea how experienced I am... Some corners I get right some I get wrong. I can go really fast on straight roads but any fool can do that (I've proved that) where do I get a pass mark from (or find out what it is...)?

[merv]

The answer to your question Col I'm sure comes from being able to say whether or not you were happy with your performance. You know when you've ridden smooth and fast and done it with precision. Do you always get into the right gear at the right time, not end up on the road where you weren't wanting to be (i.e stay on your side of the centre line), didn't need to brake more than you were planning to, went around the corners smoothly and not in jerky moves.

Are you always able to keep going with fast smooth flowing precision? If you can say yes, then you aren't a newbie any more, you are becoming a craftsman - simple as that.

[Trudes]

Sweet so still some keen bods. I'm going to try the Featherston Pub first as they did pretty good grub last time we were there and there's tons of parking, Tinhut will be a back up. Remember to pop your name in the calender thing if you're coming so I can tell them numbers, cheers.

[merv]

You remember Mrs KD that you'll have to kiss someone else this week as we'll be off gravel hunting. Is KD going to let you have the camera as I'll be expecting more nice photos?

[Shadows]

Thanks. Can you park out the back at the tin hut?

Why.... who have you been pissing off? :msn-wink:

Seriously though, I don't know about parking around the back but the place basically has its own side road and parking area, in full view of everybody. Somebody would have to have some really big nuts, I mean you could go ten pin bowling with them big, to try and steal/fuck with anybody's bike parked there.

If that's what you were worried about, of course.

[Colapop]

The answer to your question Col I'm sure comes from being able to say whether or not you were happy with your performance. You know when you've ridden smooth and fast and done it with precision. Do you always get into the right gear at the right time, not end up on the road where you weren't wanting to be (i.e stay on your side of the centre line), didn't need to brake more than you were planning to, went around the corners smoothly and not in jerky moves.

Are you always able to keep going with fast smooth flowing precision? if you can say yes, then you aren't a newbie any more, you are becoming a craftsman - simple as that.
Well in that case then, I'm still useless... :(

[quallman1234]

quall how'd you break your headlight glass on the DT?
Wasnt me my lovely brother dropped my bike on gravel, hasnt ridden it since.
260$ to buy a new one from japan, bugger that!!!
Bought a cheap 50$ one from a car place and going to make a small bracket to fit on the original frame probably take an hour or so once i get around to it, might do it tomorrow actually :P.
Plastic should be here in a day or so, rang richard up at tss and he's getting it sorted and also getting a O-Ring chain as a spare.
The stock chain aint too great, just a normal medium duty chain, will be ok for a while yet tho.

The DT looks really nice when its clean :P, went trail riding yesterday on a mates farm didnt have troubles keeping up with any of the other bikes.

[merv]

Quall did you know Richard from TSS and his Mrs both have DTs for the trail. Richard's has done about 75,000km now and he tells me he's just replaced the piston and rings once on it. I went to Hanmer and back with them via Rainbow Road a few years ago.

[merv]

Well in that case then, I'm still useless... :(

Nah man, not useless, just still practicing. You looked OK to me on Sunday, except for a man that lived just out of Pirinoa your route knowledge was a bit weak around Lake Wairarapa.

[quallman1234]

Quall did you know Richard from TSS and his Mrs both have DTs for the trail. Richard's has done about 75,000km now and he tells me he's just replaced the piston and rings once on it. I went to Hanmer and back with them via Rainbow Road a few years ago.

I was just going to mention Richard, great guy :), hessorted me out for everything for my DT so far, given me some great tips to enhance the fun on it :).
He changed his chain at 20,000kms to a O-Ring chain so i took his tip and am going to change it once mines pretty much buggered.
Its amazing how many km's he's got on his DT espically since its a 2 Stroke im really glad i got a DT in the end from hearing all his stories:Punk: .
He sure loves his DT :).
Mines not looking too fancy right now but should be looking nice by next sunday :), but probably still dirty.
Need to get down there again and grab a couple spare levers.
Great bikes have been around for years, i took mine to work today and got sereval hey i had one of those 15-20 Years ago ive heard this 5-6 times so far :).
Speaking of which im going to go for a spin around to my mates house on it cyas.

[Colapop]

Nah man, not useless, just still practicing. You looked OK to me on Sunday, except for a man that lived just out of Pirinoa your route knowledge was a bit weak around Lake Wairarapa.
Something to do with 20years of not having been round there... (and I'm sticking to that)

[merv]

Something to do with 20years of not having been round there... (and I'm sticking to that)

Like you stick to all the good looking chicks huh! Just don't squeeze them too hard eh, you gotta leave them breathing for the rest of us.

[Colapop]

I stick to everybody... You should know it's all about personality as you get older... :innocent:

[merv]

I stick to everybody... You should know it's all about personality as you get older... :innocent:

Yeah no worries man then I'm well ahead of you on personality then.

[Trudes]

You remember Mrs KD that you'll have to kiss someone else this week as we'll be off gravel hunting. Is KD going to let you have the camera as I'll be expecting more nice photos?

Hehe, won't be the same without you! Mr KD will be tagging along this time, so won't be too much kissing going on, and he can take some pics in your absence, but we'll all have a chip in your Honor!

[Colapop]

Alas I doubt that I'll be able to make it this week (to drool over Nigs new toy)... next time....

[merv]

We're going to be cruising the back roads and tracks around Masterton (staying 4 nights). I've said to the Mastertonites we could catch up for a drink one evening or something (prob Saturday if they are willing) but we wouldn't come down to the Sunday ride coz we want to find as much gravel and dirt as we can in daylight hours. While I've always liked the road I still have a huge affection for the backcountry remote type places to ride. We did this last year twice too staying first at Martinborough and then at Greytown so this time Masterton so we are working our way North.

Remember these pics from last year? http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=22980 the Martinborough trip and the attached one was the Greytown trip (I don't think I had time to do a thread at the time on that one as we took off to Queenstown with the dirt bikes straight after).

[Kendog]

Alas I doubt that I'll be able to make it this week (to drool over Nigs new toy)... next time....

Next time col.

[Hawkeye]

Alas I doubt that I'll be able to make it this week (to drool over Nigs new toy)... next time....

Don't worry Col, If I can make it, I'll do enough :drool: for both of us.

[merv]

Hawkeye are you big enough to hug two at a time like he does?

[quallman1234]

We're going to be cruising the back roads and tracks around Masterton (staying 4 nights). I've said to the Mastertonites we could catch up for a drink one evening or something (prob Saturday if they are willing) but we wouldn't come down to the Sunday ride coz we want to find as much gravel and dirt as we can in daylight hours. While I've always liked the road I still have a huge affection for the backcountry remote type places to ride. We did this last year twice too staying first at Martinborough and then at Greytown so this time Masterton so we are working our way North.

Remember these pics from last year? http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=22980 the Martinborough trip and the attached one was the Greytown trip (I don't think I had time to do a thread at the time on that one as we took off to Queenstown with the dirt bikes straight after).
Looks like Fun, my dad just bought a DRZ400! :).

[Hawkeye]

Hawkeye are you big enough to hug two at a time like he does?

I could try, but for some reason, I don't think I'd get away with it.
Could end up with a very sore face
:slap:

[C&C-rider]

My preference is for smaller group rides too.

... suuuuuure... especially if the smaller groups include Lissa , Elle, Ms. KD andsoonandsoforth......:lol: :lol:

[Lissa]

... suuuuuure... especially if the smaller groups include Lissa , Elle, Ms. KD andsoonandsoforth......:lol: :lol:
heehee didnt you know hes an honorary Biker Chick!!!

Merv... hopefully we can catch up. I'm busy on Thursday Night so cant make it then. Will send you a txt... I really hope the weather is good for you in the rapa.:sunny:

[merv]

Looks like Fun, my dad just bought a DRZ400! :).

That DT you got is made for the gravel roads you know.

[merv]

heehee didnt you know hes an honorary Biker Chick!!!

Merv... hopefully we can catch up. I'm busy on Thursday Night so cant make it then. Will send you a txt... I really hope the weather is good for you in the rapa.:sunny:

OK we're busy Friday night so do you reckon it could be a goer with your crew Saturday night? Not too late a night eh so you can keep up your beauty sleep before the Sunday ride. How's Ronin doing now?

[quallman1234]

That DT you got is made for the gravel roads you know.

I was quite surprised the DT isnt bad at all off road :)!.
Did some gravel riding the other day gotta get used to it, feels very very weird for someone who hasn't done much off it!
Had a great day yesterday went to a farm near Lake Ferry and went riding all over it :), had some fun on the gravel as well.
Finally riding on the dirt with my bike now :).

[Colapop]

heehee didnt you know hes an honorary Biker Chick!!!

You girls only like me hanging around coz I make you all look slim (slimmer than you already are :love: )

[merv]

You girls only like me hanging around coz I make you all look slim (slimmer than you already are :love: )

Yeah and you make me look 4 foot nothing tall too big fellah. Hasn't slimmed my waistline though.