100+ demerits

[tonys]

I've managed to aquire 90 demerits for speeding over the last (nearly) two years, the first hit of 50 was got sometime in May '05. Anyway, today I got busted at 127 on SH16 near Wellsford. Does anyone know the exact timing of when the demerits count from? If I take the full 28days to pay the fine, will that mean the demerits won't be added till after the first 50 have gone past the 2 years? What is the sequence of events from here on? Moved here from the UK 3 years ago, so don't know the system that well, in the UK, a court appearance would be required at this point. Knowing the practical, efficient 'kiwi way' I'm guessing it's all done automatically here!

[Madness]

It's the date of the ticket that counts. Make the most of the coming weeks my friend. :scooter:

[Jantar]

The demerits are added the day you pay the fine. That is when it is taken as an admission of guilt. You have 28 days to pay, and then if the fine isn't paid you will receive a reminder with a further 28 days to pay. Make sure you pay before the expiry of the reminder period or the additional penalties can add up quite rapidly.

If the total of 56 days isn't enough for your first lot of demerits to expire, then send in a letter saying you wish to have the case heard in court. You can expect an additional $130 in court costs, but by the time the case comes to court you should be able to extend the time by another couple of months.

[skidMark]

The demerits are added the day you pay the fine. That is when it is taken as an admission of guilt. You have 28 days to pay, and then if the fine isn't paid you will receive a reminder with a further 28 days to pay. Make sure you pay before the expiry of the reminder period or the additional penalties can add up quite rapidly.

If the total of 56 days isn't enough for your first lot of demerits to expire, then send in a letter saying you wish to have the case heard in court. You can expect an additional $130 in court costs, but by the time the case comes to court you should be able to extend the time by another couple of months.

as ive discovered

current debt to courts for me , paying at $25 per week

is....


$1470:gob:

[McJim]

This has been done to death.

I have a sneaky suspicion that it's the date of offence that's important. Yes we know the demerits (is that really a word?) actually hit your licence on the date of payment but their effectiveness is back-dated to the date of offence.

Therefore if you commit 100 points worth of offences within 24 months you will have to walk for some months.

Sucks that the speed limit is only 62.5 doesn't it?

Could it be that your older points were added in May but the offences actually took place in March/April?

[tonys]

Could it be that your older points were added in May but the offences actually took place in March/April


That's a point! Can't remember tbh, guess who'll be on the phone to the LTSA in the morning!

[ducatijim]

Speed limits are not much differant here to the UK, excepting the M system motorways, so, why are you having so much trouble?

[scracha]

Speed limits are not much differant here to the UK, excepting the M system motorways, so, why are you having so much trouble?

Cos the cops in the UK aren't so anally retarded and are out solving real crime. Motorways no copper would bat an eye-lid up to about 140. Normal roads 115 before they get arsey. Also, there's a LOT of motorways and dual cabbageways (basically just motorways). Finally, there's few cops on UK roads, just the wonderful speed cameras. Driving here is slooooooooow

[emaN]

geez, it's like you're me!
in late 2004 we came back from 4yrs in the UK,and got nabbed at 80mph within the first 3mths = 50pts.
back in Jan got nicked at 125, = another 35pts. told my UK mates and they just laughed at the NZ HP.

riding in the UK was great! no-one does 70, not even rozzers. A roads were wikkid, and generally in better nick than NZ's. On our first ride back in NZ, we couldn't believe how bumpy the roads were - guess we'd forgotten.


btw, 127kmh should equal 35pts, so you're ok, aren't you?

[jrandom]

The date that counts when it comes to points being added and rolling off is the date of offense, not the date of payment.

The relevant processing will be done by LTNZ once you pay the fine, or two months after the ticket was issued if you haven't paid (ie, at the point it's sent to Court for collection), but one way or the other, if you commit offenses within a two-year period that cause you to accrue 100 points, bye-bye licence. Conversely, you don't have to worry about waiting to pay the fine if the dates of the relevant offenses were more than two years apart but the points are still showing on your licence.

I know this for sure because in October last year, I escaped going over 100 points (in spite of the ginga cunt on SH16's best efforts) by 4 days grace. I had a detailed conversation with LTNZ on the subject at the time.

[McJim]

The M1 at 4am on a Sunday morning between Brent Cross and the M25 - never saw a copper on it - always went just as fast as I could.

Much cheaper than Brands Hatch track days.

Yeah - normal motorway speed was 80mph. 128kph. you never got annoyed for that speed.

If you over took on the left - you got your arse felt by the cops.
If an articulated vehicle was in the rightmost lane (the fast lane) - they got their arse felt by the cops.
If you sit in the middle lane without overtaking anyone - you got your arse felt by the cops.

With that dangerous behaviour out of the way it is feasible to have higher speeds and if someone overtook you IT WAS NOTHING PERSONAL..I still believe that people who accelerate while being overtaken should be jailed for attempted murder - but that's just me.

[White trash]

..I still believe that people who accelerate while being overtaken should be jailed for attempted murder - but that's just me.

If you got yourself a fucken GSXR it wouldn't matter........

[McJim]

If you got yourself a fucken GSXR it wouldn't matter........

True...

Who wants to buy a Honda VTR250? Makes a great coffee table/door stop...etc.:rofl:

[Ixion]

The M1 at 4am on a Sunday morning between Brent Cross and the M25 - never saw a copper on it - always went just as fast as I could.

Much cheaper than Brands Hatch track days.

Yeah - normal motorway speed was 80mph. 128kph. you never got annoyed for that speed.

If you over took on the left - you got your arse felt by the cops.
If an articulated vehicle was in the rightmost lane (the fast lane) - they got their arse felt by the cops.
If you sit in the middle lane without overtaking anyone - you got your arse felt by the cops.

With that dangerous behaviour out of the way it is feasible to have higher speeds and if someone overtook you IT WAS NOTHING PERSONAL..I still believe that people who accelerate while being overtaken should be jailed for attempted murder - but that's just me.

A veritable paradise on Earth it must be. Except --- I do remember the adventures of the erstwhile Sir Benjamin Bentley-Benz, Master of the Rolls, Lord of Via Tertius. Before your time I imagine, perhaps things have changed.

[tonys]

Speed limits are not much different here to the UK, excepting the M system motorways, so, why are you having so much trouble?

I didn't exactly have an exemplary record in the UK either! Personal best being 141mph, as recorded by Gwent(South Wales) Constabulary ( I was slowing from about 160mph at the time)

The UK isn't the riding nirvana others on this thread are making it out to be, true, much less 'in person' police presence on the roads, but WAY more cameras! Roads may be in (slightly) better nick, but much, much busier.

Cage drivers are however, much more aware of bikes, it's become to be the norm for cars to move slightly left when a bike approaches from behind.

I wouldn't go back if you paid me though!

[tonys]

btw, 127kmh should equal 35pts, so you're ok, aren't you?

90 + 35 = fcuk'd if the first 50 were pre april 05, won't know till the morning! I'm off for a smoke!

[The Pastor]

I got 75 demerits from one offence(two tickets). I do not like cops. i'll be walking when I get my fine.

[Ixion]

Is that possible. I thought there was a rule that only the single highest demerit relating to a single occasion was recorded?

[Deviant Esq]

Cage drivers are however, much more aware of bikes, it's become to be the norm for cars to move slightly left when a bike approaches from behind.
Yeah, I wish drivers in New Zealand were anywhere near as aware of bikes as drivers in the UK are. Still... ever been to Paris? Crazy stuff! There's this huge roundabout centered on the humongous Arc de Triomphe - it's what we'd consider about 6 or 7 lanes wide all the way around - but there are no road markings. It joins on to the top end of the Avenue des Champs Elysses and 3 - 4 other major roads, with a few more less major roads joining in just to keep things interesting... and interesting it is! With no road markings and that much traffic? It's total bedlam, though in an organised way as I never saw even a close call on it, just the usual Parisian honking of horns. There are a lot of bikes and scooters around Paris, but there are so many that car and bus drivers often defer to them. They can use bus and taxi lanes, and even have motorbike only lanes... but it's more that the car drivers usually know they're there.

[tonys]

Well, the first 50 demerits were put on my licence mid May 05, so I'm definitely up for a 3 month ban. Since I live way out west and work in town, should be ok to get a limited licence, had a read of the thread in the legal section, looks fairly straightforward, does anyone know if the LL can be arranged before being served with the suspension?

[scumdog]

Well, the first 50 demerits were put on my licence mid May 05, so I'm definitely up for a 3 month ban. Since I live way out west and work in town, should be ok to get a limited licence, had a read of the thread in the legal section, looks fairly straightforward, does anyone know if the LL can be arranged before being served with the suspension?

I may be proven wrong but I believe there's a 1 month stand-down period on all forms of disqualification before you can be granted a LL.

[Xtat1k]

as ive discovered

current debt to courts for me , paying at $25 per week

is....


$1470:gob:


1470 lucky for some, I avoided mine for years, i have paid about half of it off and I still owe about 4k... not something to be proud of.

[Bonez]

Driving here is slooooooooowWell I guess you know what to do about it then?

[The Pastor]

Is that possible. I thought there was a rule that only the single highest demerit relating to a single occasion was recorded?

I thought so too. Maybe they decided to give me the 25 instead of the 50 hehe

[Bruiser]

I may be proven wrong but I believe there's a 1 month stand-down period on all forms of disqualification before you can be granted a LL.

Speaking from personal experience there is no stand-down on demerit disq.

If you time it right you can have your LL application heard as they collect your license outside the court and be riding your bike home legally - depends on what your lawyer can negotiate with the cops for your limited.

The LL has to be done by a lawyer, they won't talk to mere citizens - expect to pay anything from $750 to $1500 in legal fees.

I got to ride the harley (or use the cage) over the full North Island as I'm self-employed, use the harley in all business promotions, got clients everywhere. License was from 7am to 7pm 6 days a week, Sundays walking.

And trust me, those sundays will always be the best fucking riding weather of the week!

[Ixion]

There's certainly a one month standdown on a court ordered disqualification. But , technically, the demerit thing isn't a disqualification, it's a suspension. So maybe the stand down doesn't apply to them.

[Madness]

I agree with what's been said already.

1. You're screwed
2. See a Lawyer
3. Arrange for service of notice at the court hearing
4. Include at least two vehicles on the application, if one becomes undrivable you cannot transfer the L/L to another vehicle without Judicial approval (I learn't that one the hard way)

5. Buy a good radar detector

[SPman]

Could always change countries and come back when you're legal again........
Well - it works for me......

[peasea]

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Cage drivers are however, much more aware of bikes, it's become to be the norm for cars to move slightly left when a bike approaches from behind.

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They tend to be more aware anywhere outside NZ. Automobile drivers in NZ are, frankly, fucking stupid for the most part and few know where their rear-view mirrors are or what they're for. To be able to undertake legally is insane and the sooner we get a minister of Things Relating to Sensible Motoring, the better.

[marty]

Land Transport Act 1998
Part 7 Disqualification, demerit points, licence suspension, and vehicle impoundment (s 80 to s 98)
Demerit points system



(3)If a person is convicted of 2 or more offences arising out of the same set of circumstances,—

(a)Demerit points must be recorded in relation to 1 offence only; and

(b)If those offences do not carry the same number of points, points must be recorded for the offence or 1 of the offences that carries the greatest number of points.

(4)Demerit points recorded under subsection (1) have effect on and from the date of the commission of the offence for which the points are recorded.

[marty]

s.108 Land Transport Act 1998 outlines applications/who may apply for a limited licence

[Bruiser]

There's certainly a one month standdown on a court ordered disqualification. But , technically, the demerit thing isn't a disqualification, it's a suspension. So maybe the stand down doesn't apply to them.

You're right, it is a suspension, and no stand-down applies.

[nickchilli]

I've managed to aquire 90 demerits for speeding over the last (nearly) two years, the first hit of 50 was got sometime in May '05. Anyway, today I got busted at 127 on SH16 near Wellsford. Does anyone know the exact timing of when the demerits count from? If I take the full 28days to pay the fine, will that mean the demerits won't be added till after the first 50 have gone past the 2 years? What is the sequence of events from here on? Moved here from the UK 3 years ago, so don't know the system that well, in the UK, a court appearance would be required at this point. Knowing the practical, efficient 'kiwi way' I'm guessing it's all done automatically here!

i just been on the phone to them this morning r;e similar thing they told me its the date of the ticket

[scracha]

Well I guess you know what to do about it then?
No, perhaps you could enlighten me?