Fake Triumph 150??

[disenfranchised]

Anyone got any information around the build quality on these

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=96603615&key=61266

I'm keeping an eye on the cheaper bikes out there for my partner.

[Motu]

Where does it say it's a Triumph? You are sensationalising the bike just on an assosciation with the importer.If the Triumph importer also imported KTM's,would you call them a Triumph too?

[ninjac]

Triumph don't make anything like that, so it cant be a fake Triumph.
However it does look like a copy of a Honda.

[Ixion]

The tank badge looks like a fake of the Yamaha tuning forks. But I don't see how it's a "fake Triumph", or a fake anything. The only mention of Triumph is where the advertiser says it's imported by Triumph NZ. On that basis are Hondas fake harley Davidsons cos they're sold by the Harley importers.

Looks a nice little bike, but. Though you'd have to see it in the metal to get an idea what the quality was like.

[pzkpfw]

Maybe he meant the "speed" part of the name, like "speed triple".

Who knows? Who cares? That's not what he was asking. Why the "flames"?

[JimO]

why isnt it being sold through the triumph dealer network if they import them??? i would spend the nearly 3 k on something else like a fxr150

[ferretface]

Looks to have the chinese Zongshen engine in it or something very similar...basically a honda copy engine.

[Ixion]

why isnt it being sold through the triumph dealer network if they import them??? i would spend the nearly 3 k on something else like a fxr150

Probably because it's a totally different market.

[JimO]

Probably because it's a totally different market.

is triumph NZ so hard up they have to import chinese bikes

[Motu]

There are more Chinese bikes sold in the world than Triumph - they are the importers,not the retailers.The name of the game is making money....

[disenfranchised]

Maybe he meant the "speed" part of the name, like "speed triple".

Who knows? Who cares? That's not what he was asking. Why the "flames"?

Cheers man...good to see someone reading the post properly

Yeah, I only put fake triumph 150 cause it was the shortest title I could think of.
The auction mentions triumph as the importer, and the speed 150 is indeed borrowing from the triumph naming.

As the auction clearly states the bike is made bt Keeway I'm not asking about the manufacturer...I want to know if anyone has any experience with these bikes, especially with the build quality.

I'm looking for a cheaper bike my partner can ride, and would prefer something new with warranty etc compared to a 15-20 year old bike, as neither of us are mechanically inclined.

Normally I'd steer clear of the chinese imports, but this appears to claim some sort of affiliation with triumph, which - if true - might mean the quality is better overall.

[Motu]

I think you are reading a hell of a lot into the words ''Imported by Triumph'' - but I guess that's what the advertiser intended and you fell for it.

[disenfranchised]

I think you are reading a hell of a lot into the words ''Imported by Triumph'' - but I guess that's what the advertiser intended and you fell for it.

I haven't fallen for anything....I'm asking the community at large to back up or disprove the claims made in the auction.

The engine and exhaust look pretty similar to other chinese bikes I've seen on trademe...which KB members have all screamed "stay away from"....however that was always because the metal in the frame was low quality and would apparently rust or break, and that the bolts used would often break or fall out.

Maybe this one is different??

[xwhatsit]

It's selling for $2850. You can get a Yamaha Scorpio brand new for ~$3500 or so -- might be too much, though. If not, you can still buy second-hand bikes of quite recent vintage for that money from dealerships, which will have some level of warranty. I'd be wary of saying things like `Maybe this one is different?', because how do you know?

[disenfranchised]

I'd be wary of saying things like `Maybe this one is different?', because how do you know?

That's kinda the whole point around asking!!

Ah well....probably not worth the hassle

[kensuem]

I have seen these bikes advertised in UK motorcycle mags.
Type Keeway into Google and you can find a lot of information
Also type Keeway into Trademe search,you will see they are importing the range of keeway bikes,which appear to have been arround since 1970.Dont knock them just because they are new to the market here,when the first hondas came into the UK,I can remember saying "what a heap of junk",and look at them now!

[The Stranger]

...basically a honda copy engine.

So how was it copied?
Based on looks or dimensions or does it use genuine Honda parts? Are the materials used in construction the same or of similar quality?

Realistically does a Honda copy mean anything - other than trying to mislead and to capitalise on the name? Because if it is just an attempt to capitalise on the name all you are doing by saying this is effectively perpetuating a lie.

[JimO]

simple really- get in touch with the triumph distributer/importer and ask what will the warranty and parts backup be like

[BigG]

I haven't fallen for anything....I'm asking the community at large to back up or disprove the claims made in the auction.

The engine and exhaust look pretty similar to other chinese bikes I've seen on trademe...which KB members have all screamed "stay away from"....however that was always because the metal in the frame was low quality and would apparently rust or break, and that the bolts used would often break or fall out.

Maybe this one is different??

You got to look at it this way if you spend close to 3K for these bikes, they have probably cost about 6-7 hundred to build if that, if you want to chuck it away after 1-2 years ok but you can buy something provem as a cheep Yamaha you can buy them new for no deposit, at least you have good after sales service with these bikes and parts are available if needed.
Look at the Wharehouse they recalled the bikes they were selling and buried them. RIP chinese bikes.:yes:

[ferretface]

So how was it copied?
Based on looks or dimensions or does it use genuine Honda parts? Are the materials used in construction the same or of similar quality?

Realistically does a Honda copy mean anything - other than trying to mislead and to capitalise on the name? Because if it is just an attempt to capitalise on the name all you are doing by saying this is effectively perpetuating a lie.

Couldn't tell ya. I import dirt bikes with the Zongshen engine and haven't heard of any reliability issues.

Rumor has it, the Chinese made parts for Honda and after the contract finished, they kept the casing moulds etc. Not really sure how true that is however......

[Thumper]

This thread has exposed one of the darker sides of the kiwibiker experience. Member asks, “I am interested in looking at NewBike model ABC does anyone have any experience with these as I may be interested in buying one?”. Ten members respond with negative comments without ever riding or even laying eyes on the particular bike. It seems that the pack mentality is alive and well and living in kiwibiker land. Condition them young so they can all be as anti cage, scooter, Chinese manufacturer, Asian driver, cop, etc. as the rest of us.

Anyway, enough of my rant and back on topic.

From what I understand, Triumph NZ have recognised that with no 250’s in their range, learners are establishing brand loyalties which are limiting a rider switching to Triumph once a full licence is attained. Solution is to bring in a suitable range of learner friendly 250’s from which riders can move up from (hopefully to Triumph) once they have there full.

Triumph NZ advertised their Keeway Cruiser model in KiwiRider a few months ago as a teaser. I was looking for a 250 for Mrs Thumper so as a current Triumph rider was interested in finding out more. I contacted Triumph NZ to be told that AMPS had their test bike for evaluation. A few days later I stopped in and had a look and was pleasantly surprised. Heaps of cool cruiser goodies for a very reasonable price (saddle bags, screen, floor boards, sissy bar, alarm/immobiliser, remote start, etc. for under $5K). I cannot comment on the build quality as this is not my area of expertise. What I saw looked very good.

I also discovered that KiwiRider have had the very same Keeway Cruiser on test but as of yet this test has not been published. I understand that Triumph NZ is in the process of setting up the dealer network.

To get the full story chat to Triumph NZ (keeway@triumphnz.co.nz), AMPS (to find out if they will be taking the brand on and if not, why) and KiwiRider who have tested the bike.

Keeway seems big in the UK - http://www.keewaymotor.co.uk/Home.html

Anyway, hope this helps a bit.

[TS99]

is triumph NZ so hard up they have to import chinese bikes

not as hard up as an italian manufacturer that uses jappie engines :yes:

[JimO]

not as hard up as an italian manufacturer that uses jappie engines :yes:

do you know the history of cagiva?

[crshbndct]

,when the first hondas came into the UK,I can remember saying "what a heap of junk",and look at them now!

yeah, still heaps of junk

obligatory derogatory coment towards honda per thread satisfied...

[jafar]

I don't know about the keeway as I don't have one . BUT I do have a zongcheng 200 trail bike that I brought for my daughter to learn to ride on. So far it has had approx 500k on it ,mostly my daughter , son & step son all using it to learn to ride on . To be fair the kids have done what learners always do , including drop it & generally give it a bit of a workout. I have used it on the beach & have ridden it on the road a bit as well. In fact I rode it brand new from Mt Eden Motorcycles where I brought it to Waiuku no problem .I also ride it to karotahe beach as well.
To date the bike has suffered 1 damaged indicator (kids). Fires usually 1st time & does exactly what is expected of it.
Value for money Yes

Don't knock the chinese bikes until you @ least try them.:2guns:

[jafar]

do you know the history of cagiva?

- 1950
CAGIVA – Founded by Giovanni Castiglioni was originally a company fabricating small metal components. The name of the company partially holds both the founder's initials CAstigliioni (the surname), GIovanni (the founder’s first name) as well as the first two letters of the name of the city it's based in, VArese, Italy.
- 1978
CAGIVA enters the motorcycle business: the team is made of two motorbikes painted red/silver and driven by Gianfranco Bonera and Marco Lucchinelli.

oddly their website doesn't seem to mention suzuki anywhere :innocent:

[JimO]

you missed the bit about Cagiva owning Ducati and in turn being owned by MV Augusta (you may have heard of them), the raptor was designed by Miguel Galluzzi who designed the monster after Cagiva sold Ducati they no longer had access to Ducati engines and the Suzuki TL was used instead of developing a similar Vtwin themselves. The tl develops 104 hp at the back wheel and the 1000 cc monster develops 95hp, the 900 develops 78hp