Is binning becoming more socially acceptable?

[cowboyz]

I spent quite a few years riding dirt before getting my first road bike about 3 years ago. Riding trail rides on xr200, xr400 and my aging it200 we would search out the hills where the challenge became tougher than the one before. People would fall, all the time. I would fall off about 5 times a day but every single time someone went down they had the piss taken out of them. Even in jest.

Now with road riding it seems that the attitude is that every one is going to fall off at some stage so it is acceptable part of riding to fall off. Even if there was some dumb shit going on before the bin it is more of a case of "oh well, the bike can be replaced."

Is this PR advanced 101 and no one wants to offend anyone or more of a cause of you have to fall off at some stage so it is just a part of riding?

[yungatart]

I got heaps (still getting it, actually) when I binned! I don't think its socially acceptable..and I certainly felt like right prat, when I fell off!

[James Deuce]

Is this PR advanced 101 and no one wants to offend anyone or more of a cause of you have to fall off at some stage so it is just a part of riding?

Yes it is PC rubbish, and I'm with Ixion on this one. You don't HAVE to fall off at all and it should be avoided at every opportunity.

There is also far too much abrogation of personal responsibility for falling off. To fall off you HAVE to screw up something, somewhere, somehow, even if it is just riding along in a daydream.

There are a few people who think about what happened and then describe or discuss what they think happened. This is a positive thing and means that they probably won't make that mistake again.

Of all the bins in the last 18 months there has only been ONE that is so far out of left field that it could almost be considered an Act of Dog, and that is Hitcher's STX1300 write off that was caused by an inexperienced goober throwing his borrowed automatic RAV4 into reverse while in a passing lane. Thanks to Hitcher's frankness, we all have the opportunity to avoid the cognitive dissonance that caused Hitcher to delay application of his brakes until it was too late.

One doesn't often see reversing lights in front of you on the open road.

I think you have to exercise judgment in taking the piss though, some people come out of an accident with the mental resilience to cope with ridicule. Some don't. Then there are the accidents that cause significant damage to an individual, such as IL4's accident. I hope that people have the good taste behave responsibly in that situation, but as we've seen, some people just don't GAF.

[MSTRS]

There was another thread along these lines a while ago...I said that falling off was not acceptable nor mandatory, but given enough time was likely. Jim2 is right - happens when mistakes are made, and are we not all human?

[Devil]

Yes it is PC rubbish, and I'm with Ixion on this one. You don't HAVE to fall off at all and it should be avoided at every opportunity.

There is also far too much abrogation of personal responsibility for falling off. To fall off you HAVE to screw up something, somewhere, somehow, even if it is just riding along in a daydream.

Quoted for truth.

[The Pastor]

the poll is kinda lame.

Yes it is now socailly accecptable, and it should be ridiculed at every opertuinty.


Hey look at me I fell off my bike cos I can't ride, ive only been riding 20 odd years.

although if its not your fault and you fall off (although you can always say "I should of seen that car/diesl/bananna/......) then its ok to bitch about the basterd to werkd ur bike. But I wouldnt.

[Motu]

I think people on this site just seem to over react on any small thing - when I went over the bars of my pushbike I got notes of sympathy.For fucks sake,it was as funny as hell and my own family cracked up when I told them,what's the big deal? In my 20's we kept a tally of prangs between us on the wall of my mates shed,it was no competition,just a bit of fun.

[xwhatsit]

It's more socially acceptable when you call it a `bin'.

It's called `crashing'.

[RantyDave]

Hitcher's STX1300 write off that was caused by an inexperienced goober throwing his borrowed automatic RAV4 into reverse while in a passing lane.
Holy F**K! Is this recent? Is he OK?

Dave

[Grahameeboy]

I had one 'bin' in 1985 when hit by a hit and run.

I ride with the idea of getting home. I refrain from keeping up with the Gixxers on group rides.............when thinking of overtaking, I have an 'overtaking point'....kinda like a braking point.....it's a sixth sense and when that kicks in I know that I can pass at another point so no rush..that is the beauty of bikes.....so much power but no need to rush or be silly.

The last thing I need is to get bin my bike and get injured because it would affect my ability to look after my Daughter so I often hold back on group rides and prefer to ride within myself....I am generally onlt a few minutes behind anyway.....not enough to worry about.

Bins should be left to throw your rubbish in on Sunday night.

[James Deuce]

Holy F**K! Is this recent? Is he OK?

Dave

No not recent. But it is why he has an FJR1300 now.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=30683&highlight=Hitcher+Rav4

[R6_kid]

you're all fucked. If you fall off its your fault. This is of course where it is a single person accident. I dont think its acceptable. Most people post about their crashes to get some sympathy, whether they know it or not, im pretty sure i did when i look back at the posts i have crashed. I think people find it funny to some extent when someone makes out like they are a 'fast' rider and end up dicking themselves by riding to hard (but lets face it crashing isnt funny).

It's not part of biking if you ride carefully and responsibly, but it is bound to happen sooner or later if you dont stay within your boundaries.

[cowboyz]

I had one 'bin' in 1985 when hit by a hit and run.

I ride with the idea of getting home. I refrain from keeping up with the Gixxers on group rides.............when thinking of overtaking, I have an 'overtaking point'....kinda like a braking point.....it's a sixth sense and when that kicks in I know that I can pass at another point so no rush..that is the beauty of bikes.....so much power but no need to rush or be silly.

The last thing I need is to get bin my bike and get injured because it would affect my ability to look after my Daughter so I often hold back on group rides and prefer to ride within myself....I am generally onlt a few minutes behind anyway.....not enough to worry about.

Bins should be left to throw your rubbish in on Sunday night.

good work. That is what the ashhurst rides are all about. We are a small group with a wide range of bikes and skill levels. Everyone rides at their own pace and waits at stops for others. I run middle ground and dont mind that. We have had one crash in 2 years which was a young fella who got a bit excited on a really bad corner. After making sure he was ok I gave him a bit of a hard time for throwing his bike away.

[cowboyz]

No not recent. But it is why he has an FJR1300 now.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=30683&highlight=Hitcher+Rav4

yes I remember this and it was some serious shit luck.

[R6_kid]

it might pay to clarify that a 'bin' is when you fuckup by yourself \, not when you are caused to crash due to someone pulling out, or getting involved in an 'accident'...

[Drew]

I've always thought, that all crashes could be avoided, but if and when they do happen, what's the problem?

Why would you give some one a hard time for it, to make yourself feel like a bigger person for not falling off?

Long as no body is dead, or seriously harmed, who gives a fuck, take the piss, make a joke of it, it's a natural way to deal with the fact that it could have been you. Me and friends make jokes of fatals as well half the time, it's not insensitive, it's a tool we use to keep our minds intact for continuing to ride.

THIS THREAD is the PC bullshit, crashing bikes happens, cant deal with it? Stop fuckin riding!

[Grahameeboy]

it might pay to clarify that a 'bin' is when you fuckup by yourself \, not when you are caused to crash due to someone pulling out, or getting involved in an 'accident'...

Are you being pepantic today?

[Grahameeboy]

I've always thought, that all crashes could be avoided, but if and when they do happen, what's the problem?

Why would you give some one a hard time for it, to make yourself feel like a bigger person for not falling off?

Long as no body is dead, or seriously harmed, who gives a fuck, take the piss, make a joke of it, it's a natural way to deal with the fact that it could have been you. Me and friends make jokes of fatals as well half the time, it's not insensitive, it's a tool we use to keep our minds intact for continuing to ride.

THIS THREAD is the PC bullshit, crashing bikes happens, cant deal with it? Stop fuckin riding!

Grumpy..............................:angry:

[James Deuce]

it might pay to clarify that a 'bin' is when you fuckup by yourself \, not when you are caused to crash due to someone pulling out, or getting involved in an 'accident'...

Yep and Hitcher admitted he anticipated an overtake on the RAV4 a little early and as a consequence was too close to avoid him when the RAV driver did something stupid.

He binned. It was avoidable.

[James Deuce]

I've always thought, that all crashes could be avoided, but if and when they do happen, what's the problem?

Why would you give some one a hard time for it, to make yourself feel like a bigger person for not falling off?

Long as no body is dead, or seriously harmed, who gives a fuck, take the piss, make a joke of it, it's a natural way to deal with the fact that it could have been you. Me and friends make jokes of fatals as well half the time, it's not insensitive, it's a tool we use to keep our minds intact for continuing to ride.

THIS THREAD is the PC bullshit, crashing bikes happens, cant deal with it? Stop fuckin riding!

That's the attitude that cowboyz is talking about.

Thanks for that.

There's so much in that post that makes my skin crawl, I don't know where to begin.

[Drew]

Grumpy..............................:angry:

Not at all, I just see it a little differently, I respect the opinions of others, and we all process shit our own way. Having said that, may the lord help someone who actually gives me a hard time, not in jest, about how I shouldn't have crashed, because in my view, the implication is that I'm somehow making other bikers look bad, or dangerous.

I'd fuckin psycho at whoever did it.

[James Deuce]

Having said that, may the lord help someone who actually gives me a hard time, not in jest, about how I shouldn't have crashed, because in my view, the implication is that I'm somehow making other bikers look bad, or dangerous.



It isn't about that dude.

Some of us actually like you and wouldn't mind having you around in 20 years.

[cowboyz]

nope.

It is not about felling like a bigger person cause I didn't fall off and someone else did. It is about what is becoming acceptable. Falling off is not acceptable in the groups that I ride in. Neither is dropping in on the inside or bragging about how quick you are and how slow others are. It is the group that has naturally built out of like minded people. I enjoy riding with them.
The more I read recently on kb the more (esp alkd and wellington riders - but could just be that there are more members from those areas) seems like you can go hell for leather and if you fuck it up thats ok.... as long as your wearing some gear you can just go buy/rebuild another bike. No problem...

It is the difference between racing, track riding, road racing, and touring.

I consider myself a tourer. Placing more concentration on road conditions, other traffic and the challenges that come with touring. This doesn't nessacessaraly (you know what I mean) mean that we obey the speed limits all off the time but different to pushing the limits and challenges that road racing (and in my opinion more oppourtunity for crashing) brings to the table.

[Grahameeboy]

Not at all, I just see it a little differently, I respect the opinions of others, and we all process shit our own way. Having said that, may the lord help someone who actually gives me a hard time, not in jest, about how I shouldn't have crashed, because in my view, the implication is that I'm somehow making other bikers look bad, or dangerous.

I'd fuckin psycho at whoever did it.

You bite easy.....................:yes: :innocent: :sunny: :done:

[Grahameeboy]

It isn't about that dude.

Some of us actually like you and wouldn't mind having you around in 20 years.

RIP Bruce and Daryll.........................

[oldrider]

I spent quite a few years riding dirt before getting my first road bike about 3 years ago. Riding trail rides on xr200, xr400 and my aging it200 we would search out the hills where the challenge became tougher than the one before. People would fall, all the time. I would fall off about 5 times a day but every single time someone went down they had the piss taken out of them. Even in jest.

Now with road riding it seems that the attitude is that every one is going to fall off at some stage so it is acceptable part of riding to fall off. Even if there was some dumb shit going on before the bin it is more of a case of "oh well, the bike can be replaced."

Is this PR advanced 101 and no one wants to offend anyone or more of a cause of you have to fall off at some stage so it is just a part of riding?

Option No 3 should read "shit happens" instead of (it happens)

The only place that anyone goes down intentionally is in the bedroom! :love:

Even then there are "risks"! :shit:

They say that if you aint standing on the edge you could be taking up too much room, girls risk it all the time, aren't they fantastic! :yes: Cheers John

[cowboyz]

Not at all, I just see it a little differently, I respect the opinions of others, and we all process shit our own way. Having said that, may the lord help someone who actually gives me a hard time, not in jest, about how I shouldn't have crashed, because in my view, the implication is that I'm somehow making other bikers look bad, or dangerous.

I'd fuckin psycho at whoever did it.

The following post is off the cuff and if some of the facts are a little off then too fucking bad cause I am doing it from memory (which sucks) and cant be bothered looking shit up. All in my opinion......

Right...

I have seen you on the track and you certainly know how to get your bike to go quick. No problem. I have also witnessed some pretty impressive wheelies up teh front striaght at Manfield. Enjoyed by all for sure. I also remember you posting about flipping a 400(?) (sure this was you) on the alkd/wellington(?) motorway(?).

Dont tell me your friends let you away without a beating for that trick???

[cowboyz]

Option No 3 should read "shit happens" instead of (it happens)

The only place that anyone goes down intentionally is in the bedroom! :love:

Even then there are "risks"! :shit:

They say that if you aint standing on the edge you could be taking up too much room, girls risk it all the time, aren't they fantastic! :yes: Cheers John

ok. I am officially too old or too stupid but fuck knows what you are trying to say here.

[Grahameeboy]

Option No 3 should read "shit happens" instead of (it happens)

The only place that anyone goes down intentionally is in the bedroom! :love:

Even then there are "risks"! :shit:

They say that if you aint standing on the edge you could be taking up too much room, girls risk it all the time, aren't they fantastic! :yes: Cheers John

You...you.....Old Tiger....you

[Grahameeboy]

ok. I am officially too old or too stupid but fuck knows what you are trying to say here.

I thinking 'Old Rider' is trying to pull tonight after the 'Carer's' are asleep.......

[Swoop]

I believe that the binning will become more frequent.
Whether it is "acceptable" or not is yet to be decided. We all realise that we must ride to the conditions prevalent on the road; however, having traveled some miles today and noticing a few, rather scary, trends, I feel it will happen more often.

Observations:
#1: Increased amounts of unsignposted roadworks. TWO of these occurred on corners.
#2: Quality of "road repair" after said task has been completed.
#2a: Chap on a tractor with a "rotating brush" system, who was sweeping the road and when I returned four hours later, was STILL sweeping the road without any noticeable difference in condition.
#2b: TCU (many thanks SARGE for that apt descriptive term) driving a light truck which was towing a framework which resembled a house's roof truss, attached to which were multiple brush-heads. "Sweeping" the road with this device appears to have spread the pea-gravel over a far greater area...

Driving to the conditions will entail having a camera with you at all times, simply to record the condition of the road surface for the insurance company to take a compensation claim against the District Council.

[mikey]

I have seen you on the track and you certainly know how to get your bike to go quick. No problem. I have also witnessed some pretty impressive wheelies up teh front striaght at Manfield. Enjoyed by all for sure. I also remember you posting about flipping a 400(?) (sure this was you) on the alkd/wellington(?) motorway(?).

Dont tell me your friends let you away without a beating for that trick???

drews the fukn man.
this one time racing chuck norris, up the wainui hill he did it all on the back wheel, then going down hill, did it on the front wheel. then he put 3 spark plugs back in. and did a rolling burn out all the way to the pub.
but seriously, the story with the 400 was he had ridden on one wheel back from wellington at 320kmh to the hut an was getting bored so went for slow speed wheelies doing hand stands, got it down to 5kmh, got bored of that did a rolling burn out from melling to kelson, on one wheel, when a freak accident happened and a ethiopian lepracaun child jumped out onto the road and out of safety he decided it was best to jump off back of bike, kick the kid back onto the pavement, then try jump back onto the bike, unfortunately the bike only rolled for 50m standing up on one wheel before it fell over.
if only it had gone for 52m, it may have never flipped.v all in a days owrk.

[cowboyz]

thanks for clearing that up. i knew i didnt have all the facts.

also proving my point as the extent one will go to deny responisbility...........

[Drew]

thanks for clearing that up. i knew i didnt have all the facts.

also proving my point as the extent one will go to deny responisbility...........

Na. I never tried to avoid the blame, and it was all my fault, but the road was clear, I had a helmet on, and was going slow. The risks were low, and shit happened. How was this crash not acceptable?

[Drew]

drews the fukn man.
this one time racing chuck norris, up the wainui hill he did it all on the back wheel, then going down hill, did it on the front wheel. then he put 3 spark plugs back in. and did a rolling burn out all the way to the pub.
but seriously, the story with the 400 was he had ridden on one wheel back from wellington at 320kmh to the hut an was getting bored so went for slow speed wheelies doing hand stands, got it down to 5kmh, got bored of that did a rolling burn out from melling to kelson, on one wheel, when a freak accident happened and a ethiopian lepracaun child jumped out onto the road and out of safety he decided it was best to jump off back of bike, kick the kid back onto the pavement, then try jump back onto the bike, unfortunately the bike only rolled for 50m standing up on one wheel before it fell over.
if only it had gone for 52m, it may have never flipped.v all in a days owrk.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, cant give ya bling, you musta said something funny not so long ago.

[Coyote]

All my bins have been made by me pushing the bike past it's limits. I should be ridiculed