Nosey people!

[Spyke]

Why are there so many people that like to stick their noses in other peoples businesses.

its seems in the last five years people have got really bad at it.

the last two days i took my bucket bike :scooter: (not road legal) up my street and back again (no cars down our street at midday on a weekday). because i have no other bike and i was having withdrawl symptoms from the racing on sunday.

the first day a guy at the end of the street (not my nextdoor neighbor) came out and gave me the evils (scary stuff wish i had tints), then the next day he followed me home in his cage and and gave me a blasting about the fines i would get and about how i was an idiot for riding without wof and reg (man only going up and down our street), then said he would call the cops if i did it agian. (could be looking out for me or just hates bikes)

i knew if i was caught by cops they would give me a $400 fine for no rego and warrent, but only if they caught me but now hes on their side ive got no choice but to do nothing.

why do people have to be so pc and dob people in for reasons not worth while, i mean yes if i was flying down the street at 200 with no helmet on, but i would not be here to write the post anyway.

and whats it to him if my bike doesn't have a warrent, its not like im taking it out for a road trip.

so i put it to you guys why do people have to be nosy and ruin peoples fun???

EDIT: just to let people know this is the first thing i have ever done that has annoyed anyone in our street.

[Ixion]

Cos they're old. Old people always want to stop young people having fun. It's sort of like people are born with a certain amount of fun, and when they've used it all up they go through a sort of "fun menopause" and get all dry and withered and crabby and miserable.

The little known secret is that the body's store of fun is replenished by bike riding. Though I must admit it doesn't seem to wrok in all cases.

[skidMark]

cus they are losers once my neighbour had a go at me because as i was changing mufflers i gave my bike a blip on the thorttle....he comes over blah blah blah, even standard it's too noisy blah blah blah...left the can on for the day....next morning leave for work......bop bop bop bop....**no muffler at all** ** just a plate partly covering the zorst for some backpressure**....leave the streeet bwarrrrrrppp...19k rpm...everytime i would come home chop it down through the gears...at 18 or 19 thou rpm... get ot the bottom of my uphill drive rev the snot out of it to get it up....

did this for four days, then put the muffler back on....

never ever complained again since.

some people are just cunt's , he had a go once before, oh this used to be a nice neighbourhood, ive been here all my life hes been there 3 years...if you want peace and quiet go live on the moon, not in fucking suburbia....WANKERS

bloodey hippy has a solar panel on his roof too, and a mazda 2 bwahahahaha

[Virago]

I guess that riding on a public road without insurance makes it everyone's problem?

[Ixion]

He is still covered by ACC as are any third parties. I ride every day on the roads without insurance.

[Spyke]

I guess that riding on a public road without insurance makes it everyone's problem?
i can see where your coming from but down our street theres hardly any cars to worry about.

[Spyke]

i'm sure the time he followed me home he was waiting at the window for me.

the funny thing is, is that when dad rode it down the road today he did nothing.

[rudolph]

Some slut in her car at the lights saw I had no REG or WOF and she sed she was going to ring the cops right away, I let fly with all the @#()@$)*@)(*$ in the world and she went through the red light to get away. Hhahaha fucking dum bitch

[Spyke]

in my mind i was thinking of using a few coarse words to say then backed off when i realised he knows where i live now.

but i think when i get a road legal bike i will sit out by his house revving me bike till hes annoyed to my satisfaction.

[rudolph]

Rip down his letter box and do that every time he gets a new one

[Mr. Peanut]

some people are just cunt's , he had a go once before, oh this used to be a nice neighbourhood...

You seem to provoke this reaction in a few people Mark, I recall a sunny Thames day and a neighbor of mine saying much the same thing.

[Timber020]

I support the guy giving you a blast, your the one using a race bike twice in two days on a neighbourhood street. I guess if you missed hunting for a while youd shoot off some 12 gauge off to. Put it on a trailer and take it to the track, industrial area or to a road where you cant accidently run down someones child or piss people off who you have to live with. (says he who was always testing his racebike on the open road when he was younger and stupider). All your doing is giving bike riders a bad name, and turning your neighbours against you.

This guy might seem like a big hassle to you, but hes probably also the neighbour who notices when suspicious people case the road looking for bikes to nick, actually looks down the road when someone yells, screams or an alarm goes off. And would probably help you out if you were in trouble. He cares enough to be proactive when he sees something wrong, more guys like him would probably make this country safer for all.

Dont shit where you eat,and certainly dont shit there twice!

[Virago]

.....but i think when i get a road legal bike i will sit out by his house revving me bike till hes annoyed to my satisfaction.


Rip down his letter box and do that every time he gets a new one

You guys should live next door to each other - a match made in heaven....

[Macktheknife]

I support the guy giving you a blast, your the one using a race bike twice in two days on a neighbourhood street. I guess if you missed hunting for a while youd shoot off some 12 gauge off to. Put it on a trailer and take it to the track, industrial area or to a road where you cant accidently run down someones child or piss people off who you have to live with. (says he who was always testing his racebike on the open road when he was younger and stupider). All your doing is giving bike riders a bad name, and turning your neighbours against you.

This guy might seem like a big hassle to you, but hes probably also the neighbour who notices when suspicious people case the road looking for bikes to nick, actually looks down the road when someone yells, screams or an alarm goes off. And would probably help you out if you were in trouble. He cares enough to be proactive when he sees something wrong, more guys like him would probably make this country safer for all.

Dont shit where you eat,and certainly dont shit there twice!

Actually, good advice!
Try a little bit of understanding and sucking up, he might be the guy that stops people from stealing your bike in future.
Of course he could also be the miserable dried wanker that Ixion suggested.

[skidMark]

You seem to provoke this reaction in a few people Mark, I recall a sunny Thames day and a neighbor of mine saying much the same thing.

i couldn't figure out why eh,

hes calling mine a weedeater, and it was a 4 stroke inline four, and yet your nsr is apparently not a line trimmer.

[peasea]

(could be looking out for me or just hates bikes)

so i put it to you guys why do people have to be nosy and ruin peoples fun???

That guy sounds like the cop who ticketed me at the northern end of Johnstons Hill on Easter Monday; He just hates bikes, especially if you're on one that might look like something he'd like to own. Either way you're certainly not allowed any fun on one.

As for your neighbour's sticky beak impersonation; ask him what the problem is. You can explain that you only run the bike now and then to keep things oiled and "have I disturbed you in some way? Can we work this out?"

There are always three sides to a story; yours, mine and the truth. (which is still availabe from all 'good' booksellers and tobacconists.)

If a polite approach doesn't work get to work on his tyres!

[peasea]

Why are there so many people that like to stick their noses in other peoples businesses.

The last two days i took my bucket bike :scooter: (not road legal) up my street and back again (no cars down our street at midday on a weekday). because i have no other bike and i was having withdrawl symptoms from the racing on sunday.

the first day a guy at the end of the street came out and gave me the evils (scary stuff wish i had tints), then the next day he followed me home in his cage and and gave me a blasting about the fines i would get and about how i was an idiot for riding without wof and reg (man only going up and down our street), then said he would call the cops if i did it agian. (could be looking out for me or just hates bikes)

Try "fuck off" and see what happens. It's blunt, to the point and may well get the desired result. I've suggested being polite elsewhere, to hell with that, neighbours are almost always wankers, right?

[JimO]

He is still covered by ACC as are any third parties. I ride every day on the roads without insurance.

bad boy bad boy what you gonna do when you hit a car perhaps a newish merc or beamer or even a japper when they hold out their hand for repair $$$$ insurance companys never give up chasing money. or some other uninsured genius totals your bike and says fuck off i got no money???

[Timber020]

99% of the population is going to side with your neighbour. Go see him, explain why you did it, introduce yourself properly and maybe appoligise. The world is to small to make enemies with your neightbours, yet apart from selfish pride youve only got things to gain by smoothing things over.

[MSTRS]

99% of the population is going to side with your neighbour. Go see him, explain why you did it, introduce yourself properly and maybe appoligise. The world is to small to make enemies with your neightbours, yet apart from selfish pride youve only got things to gain by smoothing things over.

Nah, don't agree with that, not 99% (yet). But the world is increasingly full of intolerant fuckwits who believe that their 'rights' take precedence, and there is no negotiating with them. We live next to one and when it became obvious to him that we would NOT be bullied by him, he left us alone.
WanaB - up the street and back is pretty harmless, but it might pay to wait until this prick goes out?

[oldrider]

Cos they're old. Old people always want to stop young people having fun. It's sort of like people are born with a certain amount of fun, and when they've used it all up they go through a sort of "fun menopause" and get all dry and withered and crabby and miserable.

The little known secret is that the body's store of fun is replenished by bike riding. Though I must admit it doesn't seem to wrok in all cases.

1.) Speak for yourself! :shutup:

2.) Totally agree with you! :yes: John.

[Ixion]

The corollary argument , which some may already have noted, is that aging is actually due to depletion of the body's store of fun-factor. Since bike riding replenishes those stores, it follows that bikers do not actually grow old. They just acquire years, but keep having fun.

[oldrider]

I support the guy giving you a blast, your the one using a race bike twice in two days on a neighbourhood street. I guess if you missed hunting for a while youd shoot off some 12 gauge off to. Put it on a trailer and take it to the track, industrial area or to a road where you cant accidently run down someones child or piss people off who you have to live with. (says he who was always testing his racebike on the open road when he was younger and stupider). All your doing is giving bike riders a bad name, and turning your neighbours against you.

This guy might seem like a big hassle to you, but hes probably also the neighbour who notices when suspicious people case the road looking for bikes to nick, actually looks down the road when someone yells, screams or an alarm goes off. And would probably help you out if you were in trouble. He cares enough to be proactive when he sees something wrong, more guys like him would probably make this country safer for all.

Dont shit where you eat,and certainly dont shit there twice!

At the risk of identifying that I have used up my lifes "fun" allocation: :shit:

Wanna B biker, there are some good replies to your question on your thread, think about them.

It's not always about spoiling your fun, sometimes there are huge consequences that you can't see yet, that they have experienced doing just the same things in the past.

Learn from the mistakes of others, you haven't got time to make them all yourself! Cheers John.

[Spyke]

Well i will probably have to leave it to the track now, but its only once a month.

does anyone know if there is a bucket meet at taupo or somewhere closer.

and im still to get a race license and on the mnz site the registration is for last year would someone beable to guide to what to do.



the last thing i really want is people down my street getting cut at me for a little fun.

just something really funny after he told me off, me and a mate thought it would be fun to tow each other on a wooden gokart behind a scooter (not fast probably 20k-25k),

my mate on the scooter was going to fast into the corner (no brakes on gokart) ,the gokart started to fishtale and i couldn't get it back in control and came off getting some nice gravel rash and straching my new fulface helmet. that made me more mad at the guy even though it wasn't his fault.

[jafar]

you could try registering the race bike, that way the local nazi's can't do anything about you going for a squirt.
if that doesn't work take the bike to a place you can use it without pissing people off.

[Spyke]

thanks guys for all these thoughts to ponder.

it is good that people do pass their wisdom to the young.

but life isn't life if you can't experience atleast something fun,

mum doesnt like the idea of me riding but dad was a rider back in the days and wants to get a vtr now, ive caught the but. i told mum the other day that when i go for a ride i would rap myself in bubblewrap to be safe. she doesn't see the fun involved in biking, and didn't think the joke was funny.

[Virago]

Nah, don't agree with that, not 99% (yet). But the world is increasingly full of intolerant fuckwits who believe that their 'rights' take precedence.......

I appreciate your sentiments, but unfortunately there are a few people that don't realise that is a two-way argument, and that noisy neighbours are the worst offenders.

The "I have a right to ride my noisy bike up and down the street past your house", clashes with the neighbour's right to a bit of piece and quiet. If the neighbour voices concern, then he is the "intolerant fuckwit".

Our neighbours have caused us lots of problems over the years. Long-term unemployed, they strenuously defend their right to party all night, sleep all day. It gets a bit much sometimes, so I become the "intolerant fuckwit" on occasion.

Their latest "right" is to park their car outside with doors and windows open, and play the car stereo at full (distortion) level, so that they can listen to it in the house. Even with our house closed up, we can't listen to music or watch TV.

Respect and tolerance is a two way process. Unfortunately people like Wana B Rider and Rudolph are incapable of grasping such a concept.

[Spyke]

you could try registering the race bike, that way the local nazi's can't do anything about you going for a squirt.
if that doesn't work take the bike to a place you can use it without pissing people off.
i probably would have to spend a hell of alot to get it registered,

when i do get the money i will have to get a road bike (nice gb250 on tardme)
but in the mean time i will have to take the bike up country out of the way of pesky people or maybe be pillion if thats ok on one of the weekend rides in napier .

[Ixion]

Well, that would be true if the OP were belting up and down the street all day long, or every day.

But his (OP's) implication was that it was only twice. And only once each day.

Moreover, the complainant is not reported as complaining about noise, merely the lack of WoF and rego. Which is not really his business.

I agree with you about prolonged noise. And especially the "rage all day sleep all night" people.

[Spyke]

I appreciate your sentiments, but unfortunately there are a few people that don't realise that is a two-way argument, and that noisy neighbours are the worst offenders.

The "I have a right to ride my noisy bike up and down the street past your house", clashes with the neighbour's right to a bit of piece and quiet. If the neighbour voices concern, then he is the "intolerant fuckwit".

Our neighbours have caused us lots of problems over the years. Long-term unemployed, they strenuously defend their right to party all night, sleep all day. It gets a bit much sometimes, so I become the "intolerant fuckwit" on occasion.

Their latest "right" is to park their car outside with doors and windows open, and play the car stereo at full (distortion) level, so that they can listen to it in the house. Even with our house closed up, we can't listen to music or watch TV.

Respect and tolerance is a two way process. Unfortunately people like Wana B Rider and Rudolph are incapable of grasping such a concept.
i can see it from his side, that yes i might be loud and that i could be annoying him, to be honest i thought when i did it that most people were going to be at work. but maybe he works nights. plus i was only planning to do it these two days because ithought i might annoy people.

[iwilde]

99% of the population is going to side with your neighbour. Go see him, explain why you did it, introduce yourself properly and maybe appoligise. The world is to small to make enemies with your neightbours, yet apart from selfish pride youve only got things to gain by smoothing things over.

Agree 100%. Go talk to him at a better time, he may be a shift worker trying to catch some sleep during the day. You also might find out a suitable time to test your bike. Communication is a lost art these days, I blame it on txting, emailing, playstation and bloody computers (ironic, I know).

[SwanTiger]

I had this problem with neighbours when I was younger as well, and still do on the odd occasion. However I'm over 6 ft and 100 kg's with fire arms and a reputation for delivering sage revenge to those who invade my life.

Communication is indeed a lost art, but to communicate effectively you have more than the limited medium of language - you also have violence and the raw emotion of FEAR.

War has been declared and by rights of an unspoken unity you are drafted as a soldier to battle the ever present enemy - the NOSEY FUCKEN NEIGHBOUR !!

Stand tall my comrade, fight proud and persist with victory, your actions today will in future make it easier for our children and childrens children to exercise their right of enjoying pure and honest FUN without the burden of foresight and social responsibility.

Do us proud, son.

[SwanTiger]

And what's this shit about insurance?

You don't worry about that sort of nonsense until your middle aged and so riddled with lifes insecurities that you try to cacoon yourself in a padded room of insurances, family trusts, policies and all that other senseless bullshit.

To incorrectly quote a quote: "The present time is the only thing you'll ever own, not the past or the future."

[Beemer]

in my mind i was thinking of using a few coarse words to say then backed off when i realised he knows where i live now.

but i think when i get a road legal bike i will sit out by his house revving me bike till hes annoyed to my satisfaction.

Gee, and I hope when you gain a bit of responsibility (if that ever happens) and buy a house, some arsehole like you ruins their peace and quiet. If you want to do things that could potentially annoy your neighbours, expect them to not be impressed! And when you fall off, also expect them NOT to help you up again.

[KATWYN]

so i put it to you guys why do people have to be nosy and ruin peoples fun???

Yes, one incident with me, was going for a run with my dog on the beach. He was off the lead under my control, on a dog friendly beach (confirmed to me by dog control afterwards btw) - I was loving running along the beach destressing as one does on the beach after work.

and this old man with a carpet rat dressed in a little tarten jacket, hooked into me stating this rule and that rule and how much this fine and that fine will be...anyway...it got worse, but we won't go there (irrelevent)

He ruined my time on the beach afterwards thats for sure

Out of curiousity I asked dog control about the incident - she said the guy was just being a twaat and actually had no idea what he was talking about.

She (dog control officer) also has a similar type of dog to mine and said she was on the beach once walking her dog minding her own business and some random "do gooder" lady comes up to her and read her the riot act about the local dog control laws etc etc and the dog control officer said she took great delight telling the stirrer to butt out of her business and did she know she WAS actually the districts dog control officer ! :laugh: good job I reakon

[Paul in NZ]

Nah, don't agree with that, not 99% (yet). But the world is increasingly full of intolerant fuckwits who believe that their 'rights' take precedence, and there is no negotiating with them. ?

Ya know - I'll bet thats what the neighbour that complained thinks as well...

[SwanTiger]

Gee, and I hope when you gain a bit of responsibility (if that ever happens) and buy a house, some arsehole like you ruins their peace and quiet.
The young fella does not need to learn responsibility, the neighbour in question needs to learn some tollerance.

Everybody has the right to live how they see fit, however excessive or consistent disruption is considered abuse of this right.

I can go and mow my lawns which takes 1 - 2 hours on a ride on, and it is quite noisy. The neighbours accept this, as they have to mow their lawns at some stage, which takes a similar length of time.

The lawns don't get mowed every day, usually once a week or every fortnight.

That is tollerance.

A kid on his bike wanting to have fun is reasonable, if he goes up and down the road a couple of times, spending no more than 10 - 20 minutes doing so that's perfectly acceptable.

A couple of "laps of the block" to get the "fix" is fine, once or twice a week.

To spend 1 - 2 hours every day is not.

Our neighbours up the back have 2 or 3 parties a month (on the weekends) with a few friends out on the deck, having a BBQ, laughs and loud talking, etc. They usually go for 4 - 6 hours. They obviously enjoy themselves and it's their way of finding entertainment and satisfaction in life.

That's reasonable, I get sick of the occasionaly loud outburst of laughter or talking but you live with it.

Now, 2 or 3 parties a WEEK would be a different story, or a party every night is even worse.

Making sense? Yes of course it makes sense.

The world is fucked. Then again, what can you expect from a species who can't tolerate the colour of someone elses skin let alone their chosen lifestyle.

[pritch]

Neighbour of mine used to own dirt track bikes and would on occasion test his latest tuning effort up the road and back. I was reasonably sympathetic but apparently not everybody else was.

He learned the hard way that he could only have one run up and down the hill, if he did a second one the HP car had time to arrive...

[Spyke]

The young fella does not need to learn responsibility, the neighbour in question needs to learn some tollerance.

Everybody has the right to live how they see fit, however excessive or consistent disruption is considered abuse of this right.

I can go and mow my lawns which takes 1 - 2 hours on a ride on, and it is quite noisy. The neighbours accept this, as they have to mow their lawns at some stage, which takes a similar length of time.

The lawns don't get mowed every day, usually once a week or every fortnight.

That is tollerance.

A kid on his bike wanting to have fun is reasonable, if he goes up and down the road a couple of times, spending no more than 10 - 20 minutes doing so that's perfectly acceptable.

A couple of "laps of the block" to get the "fix" is fine, once or twice a week.

To spend 1 - 2 hours every day is not.

Our neighbours up the back have 2 or 3 parties a month (on the weekends) with a few friends out on the deck, having a BBQ, laughs and loud talking, etc. They usually go for 4 - 6 hours. They obviously enjoy themselves and it's their way of finding entertainment and satisfaction in life.

That's reasonable, I get sick of the occasionaly loud outburst of laughter or talking but you live with it.

Now, 2 or 3 parties a WEEK would be a different story, or a party every night is even worse.

Making sense? Yes of course it makes sense.

The world is fucked. Then again, what can you expect from a species who can't tolerate the colour of someone elses skin let alone their chosen lifestyle.
thats exactly what i think, its not like i kept going up and down the road non-stop it was only up and down once.

my bike would make less noise than a boy racers car that goes past.

i don't see this guy target them or chase them down the road.

[Chrislost]

Why are there so many people that like to stick their noses in other peoples businesses.

its seems in the last five years people have got really bad at it.

the last two days i took my bucket bike :scooter: (not road legal) up my street and back again (no cars down our street at midday on a weekday). because i have no other bike and i was having withdrawl symptoms from the racing on sunday.

the first day a guy at the end of the street came out and gave me the evils (scary stuff wish i had tints), then the next day he followed me home in his cage and and gave me a blasting about the fines i would get and about how i was an idiot for riding without wof and reg (man only going up and down our street), then said he would call the cops if i did it agian. (could be looking out for me or just hates bikes)

i knew if i was caught by cops they would give me a $400 fine for no rego and warrent, but only if they caught me but now hes on their side ive got no choice but to do nothing.

why do people have to be so pc and dob people in for reasons not worth while, i mean yes if i was flying down the street at 200 with no helmet on, but i would not be here to write the post anyway.

and whats it to him if my bike doesn't have a warrent, its not like im taking it out for a road trip.

so i put it to you guys why do people have to be nosy and ruin peoples fun???

look on the bright side, torch his car slash his tyres and throw fireworks at his house, jsut be careful not to leave anything that links back to you (footprints and fingerprints included)
then ride up and down the street to your hearts content.

nothing to it really...

[Spyke]

look on the bright side, torch his car slash his tyres and throw fireworks at his house, jsut be careful not to leave anything that links back to you (footprints and fingerprints included)
then ride up and down the street to your hearts content.

nothing to it really...
i would like to paint his letterbox pink and put nnzga (national new zealand gay association) on it. :yes:

[JimO]

i would like to paint his letterbox pink and put nnzga (national new zealand gay association) on it. :yes:

maby next time he just gives you a fucken good hiding because thats how he has a good time, because thats what its all about having fun, fuck everybody else eh!!!

[JimO]

And what's this shit about insurance?

You don't worry about that sort of nonsense until your middle aged and so riddled with lifes insecurities that you try to cacoon yourself in a padded room of insurances, family trusts, policies and all that other senseless bullshit.

To incorrectly quote a quote: "The present time is the only thing you'll ever own, not the past or the future."

yea i can just see your post ......some prick totaled my bike today and he doesnt have insurance buts thats ok because....the present time is the only thing you will ever own, not the past or the future.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

[Toaster]

My WOF is hidden behind the plate... never had anyone query it. I figure that if I like riding then the WOF and REG need to be paid up so ACC can cover the hospital bills when some numpty knocks us off our rides because they were texting and didn't see us.

[toycollector10]

New Zealand is a nation of DOBBERS. Doesn't matter what it is, they'll dob 'ya in. You will get it where you work, live and play. Get used to it.

[Spyke]

i wish that people would just think before stiking there nose into other peoples things, would the guy like it if i came and told him that his pool fence was ten centermeters too short and that he would have to raise it or i would ring the council and then the council would tell him he has to raise it or they would drain his pool for the safety of the children that could get over the fence and drown.

[SwanTiger]

yea i can just see your post ......some prick totaled my bike today and he doesnt have insurance buts thats ok because....the present time is the only thing you will ever own, not the past or the future.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
Okay Mr. Old Grumpy Fart (actually, you're more the perfect example of what same would call "The Joneses") you took my post a little too seriously, but who really cares!

If you think insurance can put an honest value on your life, if I came to you in person and offered you $10 million dollars in cash, after tax, in exchange for your entire life, everything you currently own, house, vehicles, personal items, etc. All you have to do is walk away with your family and the clothes on your back $10 million richer. Would you do it?

You see I couldn't do that, because I don't put a monetary value on anything personal and to me insurance does that. It has it's application in some business scenarios however personally, the best approach is to financially secure yourself instead of using a scam (insurance) to sooth and calm your insecurities.

Anyway, keep your opinion(s), looks like they're all you'll ever own.

[JimO]

Okay Mr. Old Grumpy Fart (actually, you're more the perfect example of what same would call "The Joneses") you took my post a little too seriously, but who really cares!

If you think insurance can put an honest value on your life, if I came to you in person and offered you $10 million dollars in cash, after tax, in exchange for your entire life, everything you currently own, house, vehicles, personal items, etc. All you have to do is walk away with your family and the clothes on your back $10 million richer. Would you do it?

You see I couldn't do that, because I don't put a monetary value on anything personal and to me insurance does that. It has it's application in some business scenarios however personally, the best approach is to financially secure yourself instead of using a scam (insurance) to sooth and calm your insecurities.

Anyway, keep your opinion(s), looks like they're all you'll ever own.
what ever spins your wheels chum................P

[Ixion]

I make it my business to make sure that no-one DOES total my bike. And that I do not damage their cars etc.

So far, it's worked well for nearly half a century.

If it should fail in the future (sometimes shit happens no matter what you do), the accumulated half century of premiums saved will amply cover any probably expense. And leave a good bit to spare.

You are also assuming that "having insurance" means a certainty of reimbursment. My observation is that this is far from certain. Insurance companies are the biggest crooks unhung. They will wriggle out of their liabilitieswhenever possible.

[JimO]

i wish that people would just think before stiking there nose into other peoples things, would the guy like it if i came and told him that his pool fence was ten centermeters too short and that he would have to raise it or i would ring the council and then the council would tell him he has to raise it or they would drain his pool for the safety of the children that could get over the fence and drown.

the difference is the pool is on his property, you were riding on a public street you and mr swantiger desirve each other so when you run into his bike/car he will have himself covered because he doesnt need the insurance companys scamming him, because he is far to clever for that

[JimO]

I make it my business to make sure that no-one DOES total my bike. And that I do not damage their cars etc.

So far, it's worked well for nearly half a century.
If it should fail in the future (sometimes shit happens no matter what you do), the accumulated half century of premiums saved will amply cover any probably expense. And leave a good bit to spare.

You are also assuming that "having insurance" means a certainty of reimbursment. My observation is that this is far from certain. Insurance companies are the biggest crooks unhung. They will wriggle out of their liabilitieswhenever possible.
thats great for you but you Tbone a new merc the damage could easy run to 30 grand have you got that put aside??
i have never had a problem with insurance companys, but that may be just me, recently i have done some work on a firedamaged house, the owners put hot ashes into the wheelie bin and that set the garage and side of the house on fire total damage around 90 grand, the owners would be in their 40s and have probably been paying house insurance for perhaps 20 years how much in premium would they have paid ??? enough to repair the house ...doubt it

[Wasp]

i wish that people would just think before stiking there nose into other peoples things, would the guy like it if i came and told him that his pool fence was ten centermeters too short and that he would have to raise it or i would ring the council and then the council would tell him he has to raise it or they would drain his pool for the safety of the children that could get over the fence and drown.
if his fence is indeed 10cm too short then go for it, wankers like him need a taste of their own medicine - if not find something else

failing that make a complaint and get noise control to go knock on his door and wake him up at 3am :D

[Madness]

Rip up his lawn, knobblies are best, Be sure to do it in the middle of the night whilst he's sleeping & don't allow yourself to be identified.

Old bastards like him love their lawns, aye Jimjim?

[SwanTiger]

what ever spins your wheels chum................P
Ixion has established a very valid point.

I own a number of vehicles and have done so over the years, none have been insured. I estimate I've saved between $15,000 and $20,000 in insurance so far.

I spend between 30 and 40 hours solid on the road each week and have had my license for approximately three years.

So yes, my wheels are spinning.

[Ixion]

thats great for you but you Tbone a new merc the damage could easy run to 30 grand have you got that put aside??
i have never had a problem with insurance companys, but that may be just me, recently i have done some work on a firedamaged house, the owners put hot ashes into the wheelie bin and that set the garage and side of the house on fire total damage around 90 grand, the owners would be in their 40s and have probably been paying house insurance for perhaps 20 years how much in premium would they have paid ??? enough to repair the house ...doubt it

Which is why I DO have insurance on the house. We were talking about vehicles. A house is too big a sum for an individual to self insure. But, Housing NZ do self insure. They don't have insurance in their houses. Because they can cover the cost if the worst happens.

If the worst happened and I pranged that Merc, I could cover it. But, given that it's very unlikely to happen and even less likely that I would be liable (that's my job, to make sure I'm not), the fact that I would have saved a lot more than 30K (inflation adjusted) over the fifty years, makes it well worthwhile.

Of course, it only works if you have the self discipline necessary not to crash every year or so.

[SwanTiger]

the difference is the pool is on his property, you were riding on a public street you and mr swantiger desirve each other so when you run into his bike/car he will have himself covered because he doesnt need the insurance companys scamming him, because he is far to clever for that
Go and invest in some safe Government bonds and don't forget to button up your HIVIZ vest before you saddle your bike so you can ride down and make your monthly insurance payment.


thats great for you but you Tbone a new merc the damage could easy run to 30 grand have you got that put aside??
Most of the cars on NZ's roads are old shit heaps, the chances of SEEING a new merc let alone T-Boning one (or ANY car for that matter) are pretty slim.

Why not be original and say "T-bone a new Ferrari driven by Helen Clarks lesbian lovers sisters cousins neice".

[SwanTiger]

Anyway - each to their own.

I like your choice of bike jimjim. Some call it the poor mans Italian, but it's engineering excellence. Ask Frosty.

[ZeroIndex]

Why are there so many people that like to stick their noses in other peoples businesses.

its seems in the last five years people have got really bad at it.

the last two days i took my bucket bike :scooter: (not road legal) up my street and back again (no cars down our street at midday on a weekday). because i have no other bike and i was having withdrawl symptoms from the racing on sunday.

the first day a guy at the end of the street came out and gave me the evils (scary stuff wish i had tints), then the next day he followed me home in his cage and and gave me a blasting about the fines i would get and about how i was an idiot for riding without wof and reg (man only going up and down our street), then said he would call the cops if i did it agian. (could be looking out for me or just hates bikes)

i knew if i was caught by cops they would give me a $400 fine for no rego and warrent, but only if they caught me but now hes on their side ive got no choice but to do nothing.

why do people have to be so pc and dob people in for reasons not worth while, i mean yes if i was flying down the street at 200 with no helmet on, but i would not be here to write the post anyway.

and whats it to him if my bike doesn't have a warrent, its not like im taking it out for a road trip.

so i put it to you guys why do people have to be nosy and ruin peoples fun???

If you run him over with your bike and break his jaw, he'll have a problem speaking to the police from A&E... :rockon:

[JimO]

Ixion has established a very valid point.

I own a number of vehicles and have done so over the years, none have been insured. I estimate I've saved between $15,000 and $20,000 in insurance so far.

I spend between 30 and 40 hours solid on the road each week and have had my license for approximately three years.

So yes, my wheels are spinning.

wow 3 years, 30 to 40 hrs a week on the road, what a special person you are.

[JimO]

Anyway - each to their own.

I like your choice of bike jimjim. Some call it the poor mans Italian, but it's engineering excellence. Ask Frosty.

so what do you ride

[JimO]

[QUOTE=SwanTiger;1024012]
Most of the cars on NZ's roads are old shit heaps, the chances of SEEING a new merc let alone T-Boning one (or ANY car for that matter) are pretty slim.

QUOTE]

really ...there are lots on the roads in Dunedin, mind you there are fuck all maoris down here to steal them

[Grahameeboy]

You should not ride a bucket bike up and down the road. Was probably a little noisy.

Whats your view on this Mr Wana Be Spice Girl..

Guy is parked in a disabled parking bay. I have my Daughter in her wheelchair. I politley tell him that he should not be there, point to the sign.....he calls me an arsehole.......complaining that people should mind their own business is just saying that you are doing something wrong and don't like being told.

Please grow up.

[disenfranchised]

Some slut in her car at the lights saw I had no REG or WOF and she sed she was going to ring the cops right away, I let fly with all the @#()@$)*@)(*$ in the world and she went through the red light to get away. Hhahaha fucking dum bitch

How does that work??
My rego is on my swingarm, and I'm pretty sure it would be obscured by the muffler from anyone in a car, and my warrant is in a little plastic clip under the side of the tail...which would be completely invisible to someone looking at the bike causually.

How could someone ina car look at a bike and "see" that there's no rego/warrant

Even if it's not as extreme placement as mine (and I sometimes wonder if mine are legal...but that's where they were when I bought it...cheers Hyosung) they could just be on the other side of the bike and out of view etc..

[yungatart]

We have one of "those" neighbours too, complains at our parties - 3 in 7 years!!, our stereo is too loud, he doesn't like our music, hXc playing the drums and on and on it goes.
However he has never complained at Mstrs testing bikes on the road - buckets x3, hXc's bike when it was put back together.
Go figure! Maybe it was the letter I left in his letter box, explaining the joys of tolerance between neighbours.....or maybe he decided he just wasn't going to win!
Go talk to your neighbour, explain your position politely and ask if he has any suggestions on how you could both resolve the issue. Good luck!

[KATWYN]

You should not ride a bucket bike up and down the road. Was probably a little noisy.

Whats your view on this Mr Wana Be Spice Girl..

Guy is parked in a disabled parking bay. I have my Daughter in her wheelchair. I politley tell him that he should not be there, point to the sign.....he calls me an arsehole.......complaining that people should mind their own business is just saying that you are doing something wrong and don't like being told.

Please grow up.

Yea, but the above comment situation is definitely where someone needs to have the riot act read to them. It's more than just creating a nuisense for others.

Even if you are absolutely desperate and in a hurry, reserved car parks are a great big NO NO for anyone that doesn't qualify.

[Dooly]

Fuck neighbours, go country, make all the noise you like then.

[Grahameeboy]

Yea, but the above comment situation is definitely where someone needs to have the riot act read to them. It's more than just creating a nuisense for others.

Even if you are absolutely desperate and in a hurry, reserved car parks are a great big NO NO for anyone that doesn't qualify.

You would be surprised how many offenders give me abuse and come up with excuses.........believe it or not NZers are the worst offenders.....a survey discovered that 50% of cars were offenders.

I guess I am just making the point that a nuisance is a nuisance

I have had youngsters parked outside at night with stereo blaring out and that is a nuisance...do it outside your own house I tell them and I get the ususal 'get a life'..........party's I can live with as they are rare and I may want one one day.

If I had seen Wanabe and he was hooning, I would have said something and not because I am a grumpy sod......

[loftyk3]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's intolerant bastards..

[Grahameeboy]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's intolerant bastards..

So not having a Father contributes you think?

I guess if people are not considerate to others......then they should not complain when someone has the guts to say something.

[ceebie13]

Fuck neighbours, go country, make all the noise you like then.

Nah! I'm not really into country music, mate. :shutup:

[Beemer]

Fuck neighbours, go country, make all the noise you like then.

Fine if you have squillions of acres, otherwise fuck off - we moved to the country to get some peace and quiet, away from morons like this guy, so we don't want all the tossers moving to the country and thinking we will put up with their shit! We live around farmers, who get up early and go to bed early so they don't want to be blasted by anyone's stereo - and neither do we!

And for all of you preaching the line that this old guy should be more tolerant - how about practising what you preach? The bike shouldn't have been on the road in the first place, end of story.

[Virago]

.........And for all of you preaching the line that this old guy should be more tolerant - how about practising what you preach? The bike shouldn't have been on the road in the first place, end of story.

Exactly.

The intolerant attitude of the those incensed by perceived intolerance is hilarious. "How dare the neighbour be so unreasonable? Smash his mailbox, burn his house down, steal his women and rape his horses, etc etc".

Get a grip guys.

Bear in mind that in a conflict like this, there are two sides to the story. We've heard one side.....

[ZeroIndex]

Exactly.

The intolerant attitude of the those incensed by perceived intolerance is hilarious. "How dare the neighbour be so unreasonable? Smash his mailbox, burn his house down, steal his women and rape his horses, etc etc".

Get a grip guys.

Bear in mind that in a conflict like this, there are two sides to the story. We've heard one side.....

be different... never post again, leave the counter on 999... just kidding, post once more and you're on your first 1000 posts :) :rockon:

[Patrick]

Their latest "right" is to park their car outside with doors and windows open, and play the car stereo at full (distortion) level, so that they can listen to it in the house. Even with our house closed up, we can't listen to music or watch TV.



Bwahahahaha

Exercise your right to squirt salty water into the offensive car stereo while they are inside, unseen, of course... or better still, lay a log on the drivers seat, preferably if it is night time....

1 x log... very cheap.
The look on your face when they hop in the car, not noticing it... awesome...
The realisation of what they just sat in... damn priceless.....

[KATWYN]

Bwahahahaha

Exercise your right to squirt salty water into the offensive car stereo while they are inside, unseen, of course... or better still, lay a log on the drivers seat, preferably if it is night time....

1 x log... very cheap.
The look on your face when they hop in the car, not noticing it... awesome...
The realisation of what they just sat in... damn priceless.....


:sick: Remind me not to p*** you off anytime soon.

[MSTRS]

:sick: Remind me not to p*** you off anytime soon.

Poop???? .

[Roj]

And what's this shit about insurance?

You don't worry about that sort of nonsense until your middle aged and so riddled with lifes insecurities that you try to cacoon yourself in a padded room of insurances, family trusts, policies and all that other senseless bullshit.

To incorrectly quote a quote: "The present time is the only thing you'll ever own, not the past or the future."

insurance is about taking responsibility, if I make a mistake and damage someone elses pride n' joy, the money I pay for insurance covers the cost, I would like to be able to expect the return is true, but knowning there are those who chose not to carry insurance, I do, that means if someone else causes damage to my pride n' joy, I don't have to front up with the money to sort it out, having dealt with a few of these things over the years, I see it has good sense, and I have had insurnace since I was a teenager...

[JimO]

mr tiger probably doesnt have insurance because they wont insure him because of a DIC am i close?????

[Beemer]

mr tiger probably doesnt have insurance because they wont insure him because of a DIC am i close?????

Dumb Idiotic Cunt?

[SwanTiger]

insurance is about taking responsibility, if I make a mistake and damage someone elses pride n' joy, the money I pay for insurance covers the cost, I would like to be able to expect the return is true, but knowning there are those who chose not to carry insurance, I do, that means if someone else causes damage to my pride n' joy, I don't have to front up with the money to sort it out, having dealt with a few of these things over the years, I see it has good sense, and I have had insurnace since I was a teenager...
If I happen to make a mistake and prang someone elses vehicle I will pay for the damage. It is as simple as that.


mr tiger probably doesnt have insurance because they wont insure him because of a DIC am i close?????
No I could quite easily get personal insurance and no I've never been done for DIC, both of my businesses are insured to the hilt because it is practical and we can rape the insurance companies. Just yesterday one of my guys dinged one of the trucks, needs new LHS lights and passenger door.

As I mentioned in my previous post, which was mostly in jest mind you, insurance has an application in a business sense because a business is generally it's own entity and likely to have employees.

When I'm on the road, it's just me and I can take responsibility for my actions.

Anyway - enough bantering, jimjim you obivously have your own opinion and that's great, but in reality I don't give a shit because I'll never choose to associate with you on any level. I think that I've put my point across and I think all you've done is attack it from multiple angles without making much of a point.

How I live works for me, perhaps in time it will change as my needs and wants change. How you live is fine by me too - but I've still got my opinions.

[MikeyG]

Are there "day-only" wof's and rego's in nz. In the UK you can get a wof and rego for your race bike, all it needs is a brake light and horn (I think) - no headlight or indicators required. With a day wof and rego you can ride your bike from half hour after sunrise to half hour before sunset.

These would be good here. It woukd mean you could ride your race bike or motocrosser to the track instead of having to trailer it, and would let you go up the street, etc on it.

They have the same thing in Aussie for bikes over a certain age called a classic licence.

Can insure for road use as well with oneof these regos.

[Spyke]

Are there "day-only" wof's and rego's in nz. In the UK you can get a wof and rego for your race bike, all it needs is a brake light and horn (I think) - no headlight or indicators required. With a day wof and rego you can ride your bike from half hour after sunrise to half hour before sunset.

These would be good here. It woukd mean you could ride your race bike or motocrosser to the track instead of having to trailer it, and would let you go up the street, etc on it.

They have the same thing in Aussie for bikes over a certain age called a classic licence.

Can insure for road use as well with oneof these regos.
this would be a good idea, except i don't think the government would be bothered getting it up and running.

but still that would be awsome to be able to legalise your race bike for a day and do what you want with it.

[JimO]

this would be a good idea, except i don't think the government would be bothered getting it up and running.

but still that would be awsome to be able to legalise your race bike for a day and do what you want with it.

why cant it be road legal any way, and you still race it if its not in good enough condition to ride on the road legally it probably shoudnt be on the track

[yungatart]

why cant it be road legal any way, and you still race it if its not in good enough condition to ride on the road legally it probably shoudnt be on the track

It's a bucket racer, stripped down to buggery, everything that can come off, has.

[scumdog]

.


Most of the cars on NZ's roads are old shit heaps, the chances of SEEING a new merc let alone T-Boning one (or ANY car for that matter) are pretty slim.
.

I've a 'shitty old Thunderbird' - T-bone THAT and you will be eating your next six months worth of meals through a drinking straw if you're uninsured........

And oh, should somebody persistently ride like a dick on noisy bike without consideration to others they might just find a shitload of dishwashing dtergent on the road .....I know of such people near here who would do this.

[NordieBoy]

just something really funny after he told me off, me and a mate thought it would be fun to tow each other on a wooden gokart behind a scooter (not fast probably 20k-25k),

my mate on the scooter was going to fast into the corner (no brakes on gokart) ,the gokart started to fishtale and i couldn't get it back in control and came off getting some nice gravel rash and straching my new fulface helmet. that made me more mad at the guy even though it wasn't his fault.

Roller blades behind a 125cc scooter is fun too :D

Vibrates worse than a thumper without a counterbalancer.

[crshbndct]

there are a lot of shitt cars on the road...

but there are also a lot of shiny new commodores and falcons etc.

a small ding costs $1000 to fix because panel beaters go bananas when there is a insurance job being done (their insurance not yours)

[Sanx]

And what's this shit about insurance?

You don't worry about that sort of nonsense until your middle aged and so riddled with lifes insecurities that you try to cacoon yourself in a padded room of insurances, family trusts, policies and all that other senseless bullshit.

Damn. Never realised I was middle-aged already. I just cry quietly when I see payments for bike insurance, car insurance, health insurance, life insurance and income protection insurance go out my account every month.

You might call it senseless bullshit, but in the event of an accident, I want to know that I can either get my shit fixed and back on the road pronto without having to worry about getting the money of some uninsured scrote or - should I not be around any longer - that my nearest and dearest don't suffer as a result.

It's not that I'm insecure - it's because I like a relatively peaceful life. Insurance is one thing that can help.

[Spyke]

why cant it be road legal any way, and you still race it if its not in good enough condition to ride on the road legally it probably shoudnt be on the track
like yungatart said it is stripped down to buggery it doesn't use a battery or anything no lights nada. very hard to make road legal. it has the essentuals on so it doesn't fall apart and do you really think i would race a bike that i don't think is fit to be ridden?

[JimO]

It's a bucket racer, stripped down to buggery, everything that can come off, has.

then he has no right to be on the road with it, if he was riding about on a mini chopper you would all be calling for his blood because he is givving motorcyclists a bad name:done:

[JimO]

like yungatart said it is stripped down to buggery it doesn't use a battery or anything no lights nada. very hard to make road legal. it has the essentuals on so it doesn't fall apart and do you really think i would race a bike that i don't think is fit to be ridden?

reread your post regarding getting the bike

(1) slack in the head of the frame

(2) rear tyre is to big

(3) neighbours wont put up with it


do you have a drivers licence???

can YOU afford to pay for damage to other road users, the other posters who dont have insurance obviously have thousands of dollars put away on the off chance they have a accident ......do you

[JimO]

I don't give a shit because I'll never choose to associate with you on any level.

that works for me as well

[Spyke]

is that the same as saying guys that don't have a licence but still ride big bikes shouldn't be on the road riding around even though they have been riding for 20 years. where as i went up and down my street twice to get the thrill of the ride, its not like a guy i saw a little while ago wearing no helmet and only socks on a mini chopper when he was riding homef rom work one night.

[JimO]

well do you have a licence or not its not a hard question

[fireliv]

Its a difficult one, and I see oth side. Young enough to see the fun, but old enough to know better. Track bikes are for the track, road legal are for the road. Simple as that really

[Spyke]

tyre has been changed, hes not my neighbor, i have a licence and if i was to hit some one i would be paying them back, no cars on the street any way so i wouldnt hit them, but on the off chance i would pay them back.

[JimO]

tyre has been changed, hes not my neighbor, i have a licence and if i was to hit some one i would be paying them back, no cars on the street any way so i wouldnt hit them, but on the off chance i would pay them back.

you would pay them back ??? $5.00 a week have you any idea how much it costs to fix a modern car, a young guy clipped the rear bumper on my last hilux at a compulsary stop no paint damage, no broken lights, replacement bumper $1500 how long will that take you to pay off

[Spyke]

yonks does that satify you, i can see your side i've seen it the whole time, and of course i can see my side and i can see if i was older i could do what i want and the guy wouldn't say any thing.

can you get insurance on a bucket racer might be good to look into.

i must say your a good debater and one day would love to meet you in person and go for a ride or debate.

green rep sent for being the best debater on KB

ps when i go for a ride with you one day i will have insurance you've taught me good jimjim.

[JimO]

good on ya mate , i was young once so i know what its like and im not anti you having a good time but looking at it from the grand old age of 46 i can see the bear traps waiting for you as well. Have a good time racing your bike:rockon:

[Spyke]

thanks jimjim hopefully oneday i will grow up, mind you i have a while to go im only 15.

how long will it be before i grow up? any idea from personal experience

i might even sell the race bike and get a road bike, when i can afford it so i don't have to break any laws.

[JimO]

thanks jimjim hopefully oneday i will grow up, mind you i have a while to go im only 15.

how long will it be before i grow up? any idea from personal experience

i might even sell the race bike and get a road bike, when i can afford it so i don't have to break any laws.

at least another 30 years:Punk: :Punk:

[KATWYN]

thanks jimjim hopefully oneday i will grow up, mind you i have a while to go im only 15.



15???
Good on you for asking for and listening to advice in here!!

[Spyke]

thanks guys

i think most people on here have a heap more experience than me and i do like to listen to what other people have to say, one thing in my life i have learnt that my dad doesn't know everything about anything!

hopefully in thirty years i will have growen up enough to ride a thou bike or they might be electric by then.

[Sanx]

And oh, should somebody persistently ride like a dick on noisy bike without consideration to others they might just find a shitload of dishwashing dtergent on the road .....I know of such people near here who would do this.

Here, ladies and gentlemen, we have police officer advocating that the general public take the law into their own hands, that the general public commit acts that not only endanger the life and safety of the dick on a noisy bike, but any other party on two wheels who rides over that bit of road before the next rainfall.

Sheer genius.

[Titanium]

You were riding down the road on your .. non road legal, non rego, non wof . . .. bike, bucket or what ever ...

A road where you have checked there is nothing around ....

Out of no where ... a ball rolls out in to the middle of the road ... followed by a small child .... worst case .. you hit / kill the kid .... Because accidents just happen, that is why they are called accidents.

You have farked your life (end up in jail being a$$ raped every night), the kids life, the kids parents life .... .

You riding on the road in the above way is everybodys farken business.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Spyke]

i see your 2cents clearly and now know not to endanger anyones life by taking my illeagle bike down the road.

would i still go to jail if i killed someone on a street leagle bike? or would that be covered because it was leagle?

[Sanx]

Whether the bike was legal or not would probably make very little difference if you were to kill another road user. What the courts would take into consideration is whether the bike was inherently dangerous and that you knowingly rode it on the road in that state.

So, if the bike wasn't road-legal (no lights, etc) but would pass any scrutineering for any race meeting going, it probably wouldn't be an issue. If it was road-legal, but the front brakes were farked, and you rode it regardless, the condition of the bike would be taken into account, even if the machine had a current rego and WOF.

[Ixion]

Are there "day-only" wof's and rego's in nz. In the UK you can get a wof and rego for your race bike, all it needs is a brake light and horn (I think) - no headlight or indicators required. With a day wof and rego you can ride your bike from half hour after sunrise to half hour before sunset.
.

Yes, but only for veteran or vintage bikes (pre 1931)



...
And oh, should somebody persistently ride like a dick on noisy bike without consideration to others they might just find a shitload of dishwashing dtergent on the road .....I know of such people near here who would do this.

Oh, for Gawds sake, give the kid a break. He rode up the road TWICE.Not persistently.

Shit, didn't you drive the neighbours bats when you were 15? Yes you bloody well did, stop fibbing.

Jeez. How do you people get so bloody OLD.

Yeah, he's an antisocial, irresponsible, selfish, thoughless young idiot. Just like we all were at that age. STOP FIBBING. You were so too. Me , I'm still trying to get back there.


Shit , if he lived near me, I'd take the zorst of ffwabbitt, n go challenge him to a drag up and down his street, just to piss off all the withered up oldies in the street. My main worry is he'd refuse the challenge, cos kids nowdays are a bunch of pussies.

[Spyke]

thanks ixion, i'd give it a go, anything for a laugh, i think i would be left in the dust.


its not all about winning :sweatdrop.

[scumdog]

Here, ladies and gentlemen, we have police officer advocating that the general public take the law into their own hands, that the general public commit acts that not only endanger the life and safety of the dick on a noisy bike, but any other party on two wheels who rides over that bit of road before the next rainfall.

Sheer genius.

And here we have a n00b on KB who takes everything they read on KB as gospel and hasn't heard of trolling.......

Sheer amatuer.

[Krusti]

Don't think shifting to the country will be any different...

We live 20km from Rotorua on an awesome motorcycle friendly road. In the last month I have probably been out on the Zed about 5 or 6 times.

Recieved a phone call from a 'friend' who lives about 10 kms away. Was spoken to by a local on my road who lives about 2 km away. I ride past his gate each time I go out. He informed this 'friend' that they should tell me to slow down or he will make a formal complaint about my riding. whooooooo!

Stupid part is that we have many riders who come down our road but as I am probably the only one who is known to ride then it was ME!

1... Don't complain if you're not man enough to speak to me face to face.

2... Get your facts straight.

3....All riders welcome to travel up our road, call in for a coffee even, hehe.

Round a bout complaints like this just make me want to go riding at 2 am. Then again I'm not like that..true :yes:

Some people just believe that thier life is more important.

Will just have to live with the....'Was that guy on his orange bike' folks. Although buggered if I know how he could tell on the nights I went out. :innocent:

Finally I have backed off a little because who needs this kind of crap. I suspect though that it may not be enough.

[Sanx]

And here we have a n00b on KB who takes everything they read on KB as gospel and hasn't heard of trolling.......

Sheer amatuer.

Always nice to be able to retrospectively declare your own comments as troll-bait, isn't it.

As I can mine. Except it's blatantly not true in both cases.

[SwanTiger]

This is a good time to tell the "Australian and the Maori joke".

An Australian came over to visit his kiwi friend in Auckland, they decided to go for a stroll along the Auckland viaduct and came across a Maori fishing from the warf. Next to him was a bucket of crabs, observingly the Australian noticed that one crab was about to climb out.

Hastly he approached the Maori and mentioned about the crab and asked "aren't you worried that the crabs will get out and into the ocean?" to which the Maori replied "Nah bro, these are kiwi crabs! when one climbs to the top the rest will pull him back down".

And, from the school of philosophy, our thought for today is:


Bread for myself is a material question. Bread for my neighbour is a
spiritual one.

- Nicholas Berdyaev
(1874 -1948)
Russian philosopher and theologian

[NordieBoy]

You were riding down the road on your .. road legal, rego'd, wof'd . . .. bike, bucket or what ever ...

A road where you have checked there is nothing around ....

Out of no where ... a ball rolls out in to the middle of the road ... followed by a small child .... worst case .. you hit / kill the kid .... Because accidents just happen, that is why they are called accidents.

You have farked your life (end up in jail being a$$ raped every night), the kids life, the kids parents life .... .

You riding on the road in the above way is everybodys farken business.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Still the same...

[KATWYN]

And here we have a n00b on KB who takes everything they read on KB as gospel and hasn't heard of trolling.......

Sheer amatuer.

I've always wondered what trolling was. Still do really......

Maybe someone may be so kind as to put me in the picture of what a troll is. Maybe I am a troll but don't know it yet....yikes

[JimO]

This is a good time to tell the "Australian and the Maori joke".

An Australian came over to visit his kiwi friend in Auckland, they decided to go for a stroll along the Auckland viaduct and came across a Maori fishing from the warf. Next to him was a bucket of crabs, observingly the Australian noticed that one crab was about to climb out.

Hastly he approached the Maori and mentioned about the crab and asked "aren't you worried that the crabs will get out and into the ocean?" to which the Maori replied "Nah bro, these are kiwi crabs! when one climbs to the top the rest will pull him back down".

:
i would hardly consider a inexperienced 15 year old riding a unwarranted, unregistred, uninsured bike on a public road "climbing to the top" perhaps where you live but not on this planet

[yungatart]

i would hardly consider a inexperienced 15 year old riding a unwarranted, unregistred, uninsured bike on a public road "climbing to the top" perhaps where you live but not on this planet

Hmmm, but we all have to start somewhere, eh?

[JimO]

Hmmm, but we all have to start somewhere, eh?

yes we do but there is a time and a place and the place aint on a public road

[Titanium]

Still the same...


Not quite .....

If it was as you misquoted me as saying, odds are you would not go to jail and be A$$ raped every night.

All the other stuff would be the same.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes, but only for veteran or vintage bikes (pre 1931)


Oh, for Gawds sake, give the kid a break. He rode up the road TWICE.Not persistently.

Twice more than he should have done.............whoops, I have never run a red light before..sorry I crashed into a motorcyclist......always a first time eh?

Shit, didn't you drive the neighbours bats when you were 15? Yes you bloody well did, stop fibbing.

Pink Bats??

Jeez. How do you people get so bloody OLD.

They grow up Ixion...............

Shit , if he lived near me, I'd take the zorst of ffwabbitt, n go challenge him to a drag up and down his street, just to piss off all the withered up oldies in the street. My main worry is he'd refuse the challenge, cos kids nowdays are a bunch of pussies.

If he was like me he would just smile and keep his breath....

..............................

[mstriumph]

..................

The "I have a right to ride my noisy bike up and down the street past your house", clashes with the neighbour's right to a bit of piece and quiet. If the neighbour voices concern, then he is the "intolerant fuckwit"................

i freely admit to being an intolerant fuckwittess in those circumstances

come ride up and down my fenceline, fella, and we will debate the situation

"your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins"

[Ixion]

Not quite .....

If it was as you misquoted me as saying, odds are you would not go to jail and be A$$ raped every night.

All the other stuff would be the same.

WoF is probably irrelevant in that scenario, rego certainly so. If it was a genuine accident, not exceeding speed limit, taking all proper care etc, and the poor bairn just hurled himself into the road, there is little reason to suppose it would end up with a gaol term WoF , rego or no. You might have an uncomfortable time explaining it to the police, mind you. And cop a lot of flak.

If it were shown that the bike had no brakes, and that a bike with proper effective brakes could have stopped in time, that's another matter. Ditto if the rider were grossly speeding (speed dangerous level, that's causing death by dangerous/careless/reckless etc)

But there is nothing I recall here that says the bucket wasn't roadworthy. That's another thing to no WoF. Nor anything to say the OP was speeding (though I wouldn't care to swear he wasn't , mind)

Never can understand why people get so holier than thou about rego. It's just a tax. Same sort of deal as a parking fee. Sure if you don't have a current rego, and you get pinged , pay the fine and don't complain. But there's no moral or ethical issue in it at all.

[Oscar]

cus they are losers once my neighbour had a go at me because as i was changing mufflers i gave my bike a blip on the thorttle....he comes over blah blah blah, even standard it's too noisy blah blah blah...left the can on for the day....next morning leave for work......bop bop bop bop....**no muffler at all** ** just a plate partly covering the zorst for some backpressure**....leave the streeet bwarrrrrrppp...19k rpm...everytime i would come home chop it down through the gears...at 18 or 19 thou rpm... get ot the bottom of my uphill drive rev the snot out of it to get it up....

did this for four days, then put the muffler back on....

never ever complained again since.

some people are just cunt's , he had a go once before, oh this used to be a nice neighbourhood, ive been here all my life hes been there 3 years...if you want peace and quiet go live on the moon, not in fucking suburbia....WANKERS

bloodey hippy has a solar panel on his roof too, and a mazda 2 bwahahahaha

Some people are cunts?
If you were my neighbour I'd kick your arse.
You're the sort of wanker that give bikes a bad rap.

[Grahameeboy]

Never can understand why people get so holier than thou about rego. It's just a tax. Same sort of deal as a parking fee. Sure if you don't have a current rego, and you get pinged , pay the fine and don't complain. But there's no moral or ethical issue in it at all.

Moral - It pays the ACC which helps people.
Ethical - Guess it is a legal requirement.

[Ixion]

Moral - It pays the ACC which helps people.
Ethical - Guess it is a legal requirement.

As to ACC - if Mr W takes his bucket out on Sunday to the bucket-place and races it round and round , and crashes, he is covered by ACC. Exact same deal as if he crashed riding it up the road. But, on Sunday noone is going to ask him to pay rego, no requirement to do so. Therefore by your argument, is he not equally immoral riding it on the track , on Sunday, withut a rego?

As to ethics, it is a legal requirement. The law has little relevance to ethics and vice versa. Justice has somewhat more, but law and justice walk down opposite sides of the street , only accasionally encountering each other, usually by accident.

[Big Dave]

It's not new. 40 years ago I used to get hassled by old farts for riding my mini bike.

Just do the biker thing and tell em to 'get ^&@%ed' and ride somewhere else.

[SwanTiger]

It's not new. 40 years ago I used to get hassled by old farts for riding my mini bike.

Just do the biker thing and tell em to 'get ^&@%ed' and ride somewhere else.

Beautifully put Dave.

[scumdog]

As to ACC - if Mr W takes his bucket out on Sunday to the bucket-place and races it round and round , and crashes, he is covered by ACC. Exact same deal as if he crashed riding it up the road. But, on Sunday noone is going to ask him to pay rego, no requirement to do so. Therefore by your argument, is he not equally immoral riding it on the track , on Sunday, withut a rego?

As to ethics, it is a legal requirement. The law has little relevance to ethics and vice versa. Justice has somewhat more, but law and justice walk down opposite sides of the street , only accasionally encountering each other, usually by accident.

No rego = $200
No WOF = $200
No lic plate = $200
No bike licence $400

where do you want me to stop?

[Ixion]

Not with you. He doesn't need any of that at the bucket place. Noone's disputing he's breaking the law riding it up the street. And if he gets caught by the cops, he must take the rap.

But none of that is a matter of morality or ethic . Assuming the vehicle is roadworthy, and he is a competant rider.

I've had wofs and regos expire on me many a time. With several vehicles its hard to keep up with the damn things. If I get caught with no wof/rego I'll pay the fine without a gripe. But I don't see any moral or ethical issue in it.

[Big Dave]

where do you want me to stop?

Stewart Island

[scumdog]

Stewart Island

Whew! Thank God for that - the poor bugger couldn't afford much more than that!!

[scumdog]

Not with you. He doesn't need any of that at the bucket place. Noone's disputing he's breaking the law riding it up the street. And if he gets caught by the cops, he must take the rap.

But none of that is a matter of morality or ethic . Assuming the vehicle is roadworthy, and he is a competant rider.

I've had wofs and regos expire on me many a time. With several vehicles its hard to keep up with the damn things. If I get caught with no wof/rego I'll pay the fine without a gripe. But I don't see any moral or ethical issue in it.


Morals and ethics?? nobody is arguing about those - but if the law says you need them? well best you have them.

And as far as 'roadworthy' goes - and 'competent' goes' ?
I guess a WOF and a motorbike licnece would help a bit eh???'

Still, I suppose y'all would feel I was a tad biased, given my job an' all...

[JimO]

No rego = $200
No WOF = $200
No lic plate = $200
No bike licence $400

where do you want me to stop?

im shure ixon will pay his fine for him seeing as he has had all his insurance premiums tucked away under the mattress for the last 50 years

[Grahameeboy]

As to ACC - if Mr W takes his bucket out on Sunday to the bucket-place and races it round and round , and crashes, he is covered by ACC. Exact same deal as if he crashed riding it up the road. But, on Sunday noone is going to ask him to pay rego, no requirement to do so. Therefore by your argument, is he not equally immoral riding it on the track , on Sunday, withut a rego?

Disagree because you are getting something for nothing when others obey the Law and pay REGO and you not paying means less money in coffers to help people............now you will argue the ACC has enough fund but not the point.

As to ethics, it is a legal requirement. The law has little relevance to ethics and vice versa. Justice has somewhat more, but law and justice walk down opposite sides of the street , only accasionally encountering each other, usually by accident.

Ethics (from the Ancient Greek ἠθικός ēthikos, the adjective of ἤθος ēthos "custom, habit"), a major branch of philosophy, is the study of values and customs of a person or group. It covers the analysis and employment of concepts such as right and wrong, good and evil, and responsibility. It is divided into three primary areas: meta-ethics (the study of the concept of ethics), normative ethics (the study of how to determine ethical values), and applied ethics (the study of the use of ethical values).

Doesn't the Law deal with right and wrong.......

.......................

[Grahameeboy]

Not with you. He doesn't need any of that at the bucket place. Noone's disputing he's breaking the law riding it up the street. And if he gets caught by the cops, he must take the rap.

But none of that is a matter of morality or ethic . Assuming the vehicle is roadworthy, and he is a competant rider.

I've had wofs and regos expire on me many a time. With several vehicles its hard to keep up with the damn things. If I get caught with no wof/rego I'll pay the fine without a gripe. But I don't see any moral or ethical issue in it.

How do you know the vehicle is roadworthy..it does not have a WOF.

Competent rider riding a bike without a Rego, Wof??

Hey, I don't have a licence either but I am competent...........in my opinion.

[more_fasterer]

I guess a WOF and a motorbike licnece would help a bit eh???'

Question - would you treat an un-WOF'ed bike that is up to WOF standards differently to an un-WOF'ed bike that is not?


Wana_b, you're gonna encounter conservative people who hate nothing more than having their peace disturbed, and then want nothing more than to complain about it. Tis a common mindset in this country, unfortunately...

[Ixion]

How do you know the vehicle is roadworthy..it does not have a WOF.

Competent rider riding a bike without a Rego, Wof??

Hey, I don't have a licence either but I am competent...........in my opinion.

Twas a bucket racer. Even buckets have scrutineers. And quite a few very competant race riders don't have road licences. Moreover a vehicle can have a current WoF and NOT be roadworthy.

[Big Dave]

Twas a bucket racer. Even buckets have scrutineers. And quite a few very competant race riders don't have road licences. Moreover a vehicle can have a current WoF and NOT be roadworthy.

Now is the time to tactfully withdraw and follow my advice foisted earlier.

[glyder]

I have not been in new zealand for long
been into bikes for a long time
there are a couple of things i can not get
my head round in new zealand
1. Insurance Is Not Compulsary :- Why ??, Do Not say ACC, we have NHS in the uk. Not say UK do it right, but at least if somone hits you, you are covered.
2. Ban Mobile Phones When You Are Driving, unless you are using hands free. The number of times people have nearly hit me and when i have looked they have been using a phone.
3. Getting A NZ Driving Licence, the law states after you have been in new zealand for 12 months you must get a nz drivers licence but no one checks that you have, i know people who have been here years and still driving under there own licence.

and finally WHY DO PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND IGNORE RED LIGHTS WE MUST STOP THEM

[Ixion]

ACC is so TOTALLY nothing comparable to NHS. You clearly have no idea at all what ACC is or how it works. Or the background to the insurance laws in your own (UK) country. Maybe if you spent some time figuring out how a new country works, before demanding that it change to be exactly like the one you just came from ?

[mstriumph]

defensive Ixion

irrespective of point one, the rest of his wishlist is sensible .........

it would do a great deal to improve road safety ANYWHERE if mobile phones [and eating, drinking, playing scrabble etc] were banned whilst driving ....

not that it's gonna happen

[KATWYN]

defensive Ixion

irrespective of point one, the rest of his wishlist is sensible .........

it would do a great deal to improve road safety ANYWHERE if mobile phones [and eating, drinking, playing scrabble etc] were banned whilst driving ....

not that it's gonna happen

Playing scrabble whilst driving?? I NEVER do that :innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

Twas a bucket racer. Even buckets have scrutineers. And quite a few very competant race riders don't have road licences. Moreover a vehicle can have a current WoF and NOT be roadworthy.

Scrutineers on the day like WOF's.........but it didn't have a Wof so breaking the Law......guess the slick tyres were legal?

[Grahameeboy]

ACC is so TOTALLY nothing comparable to NHS. You clearly have no idea at all what ACC is or how it works. Or the background to the insurance laws in your own (UK) country. Maybe if you spent some time figuring out how a new country works, before demanding that it change to be exactly like the one you just came from ?

They were not demanding things change..he was just making observations which is quite common when you come to a new Country.

ACC is 'non Fault' which has it moral issues whereas in the UK you have the NHS and Insurance but if you are at fault and suffer an injury which affects your job you do not get compensated like you do under ACC (upto 80%), but you get health treatment so not a huge difference.

[Patrick]

one thing in my life i have learnt that my dad doesn't know everything about anything!



Remember these words... it is probably what your dad said about his own dad when he was that age...:sunny:

[Patrick]

Here, ladies and gentlemen, we have police officer advocating that the general public take the law into their own hands,

Huh?????? Where did he say that?????

You trolling?????

Wot E sed is there are people out there who will do this shit...

[Spyke]

the bike doesn't have slicks it has standard road tyres, the only things (quote if wrong or foprgotten anything) that wouldn't make it woffable for the road is that it doesn't have lights, indicators, horn and that it has been modified abit.

[CM2005]

wanaBRider, i ride my two stroke(very quiet standard pipe) bucket up and down my road, with numbers on it, and one guy got upset, but no one else cares. you're in the wrong, but if you're being sensible well i dunno. your call. and yeah, whoever said that guys was doing his best or something, i'd agree.

[scumdog]

Question - would you treat an un-WOF'ed bike that is up to WOF standards differently to an un-WOF'ed bike that is not?

Yes, I MAY give the rider a 'compliance' ticket if it looked O.K.

But I'm not a WOF inspector after all.

[crazyxr250rider]

Lol me and our mates roar up and down our road all day (were in rural area of course) and only been complained about once by some crazy goatmilking christians. The husband stood in the midle of the road when I was Full throttle top gear down the straight part of the road and was waving a shovel
around if I didnt swerve onto the grass it could have been very un healthy for both of us.

[sparky10]

I have not been in new zealand for long
been into bikes for a long time
there are a couple of things i can not get
my head round in new zealand
1. Insurance Is Not Compulsary :- Why ??, Do Not say ACC, we have NHS in the uk. Not say UK do it right, but at least if somone hits you, you are covered.
2. Ban Mobile Phones When You Are Driving, unless you are using hands free. The number of times people have nearly hit me and when i have looked they have been using a phone.
3. Getting A NZ Driving Licence, the law states after you have been in new zealand for 12 months you must get a nz drivers licence but no one checks that you have, i know people who have been here years and still driving under there own licence.

and finally WHY DO PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND IGNORE RED LIGHTS WE MUST STOP THEM


ACC is so TOTALLY nothing comparable to NHS. You clearly have no idea at all what ACC is or how it works. Or the background to the insurance laws in your own (UK) country. Maybe if you spent some time figuring out how a new country works, before demanding that it change to be exactly like the one you just came from ?

i agree glyder, insurance should be Compulsary, ACC dosent work, who can live on 80% of shit low wages, if someone hits u they should pay 100% i.e, insurance( it works for all other countries not in the third world)

[davereid]

I have not been in new zealand for long
been into bikes for a long time
there are a couple of things i can not get
my head round in new zealand
1. Insurance Is Not Compulsary :- Why ??, Do Not say ACC, we have NHS in the uk. Not say UK do it right, but at least if somone hits you, you are covered.
2. Ban Mobile Phones When You Are Driving, unless you are using hands free. The number of times people have nearly hit me and when i have looked they have been using a phone.
3. Getting A NZ Driving Licence, the law states after you have been in new zealand for 12 months you must get a nz drivers licence but no one checks that you have, i know people who have been here years and still driving under there own licence.

and finally WHY DO PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND IGNORE RED LIGHTS WE MUST STOP THEM

Sheesh...

We don't want compulsory insurance. Thats because we don't need it. In NZ, as you point out, ACC provides you accident cover. But it also means you can't be sued for your fuckup. Possibly a silly idea. But it means I can ride lots of bikes, and drive lots of cars, and if you want to end that then I have to disagree. Because I can insure a bike or car in NZ for a tiny fraction of the cost in the UK. Don't believe me ? go online and find a UK insurer. Fill out the on-line quote form saying you live in UK and get back to us.

Ban mobile phones ? Maybe. But then we should ban the CD player and radio too.

Red Lights ? Yep, they are chronic problems. Good luck !

[ElCoyote]

Ixion has established a very valid point.

I own a number of vehicles and have done so over the years, none have been insured. I estimate I've saved between $15,000 and $20,000 in insurance so far.

I spend between 30 and 40 hours solid on the road each week and have had my license for approximately three years.

So yes, my wheels are spinning.

Do you have health insurance?????????? :calm:

[ElCoyote]

Go and invest in some safe Government bonds and don't forget to button up your HIVIZ vest before you saddle your bike so you can ride down and make your monthly insurance payment.


Most of the cars on NZ's roads are old shit heaps, the chances of SEEING a new merc let alone T-Boning one (or ANY car for that matter) are pretty slim.

Why not be original and say "T-bone a new Ferrari driven by Helen Clarks lesbian lovers sisters cousins neice".

Ruth Dykeson doesn't own that vehicle it is still owned by Marilyn Waring, that' how she got knighted

[ElCoyote]

So not having a Father contributes you think?

I guess if people are not considerate to others......then they should not complain when someone has the guts to say something.

When the cunt that killed the girl on the beach was asked twice to "STOP" he should have realised that there was a backlash. Sadly he didn't and look at the result.

Feel free to ride your bucket up and down my street whenever you please and I will treat you like the last prick that made my walls shake when I was watching the Spanish GP and I will ride alongside you and boot you into oblivion. PM me for the address arsewipe :angry2:

[ElCoyote]

No I could quite easily get personal insurance and no I've never been done for DIC, both of my businesses are insured to the hilt because it is practical and we can rape the insurance companies. Just yesterday one of my guys dinged one of the trucks, needs new LHS lights and passenger door.
.


Your excess is no way high enough and ra[ping and pillaging insurance companies is the reason premiums go up for those who obey lifes unwritten rules but that is probably too subtle for a person or your dubious intellect. Tell me where you live and I can reciprocate in kind.:Pokey:

[Grahameeboy]

When the cunt that killed the girl on the beach was asked twice to "STOP" he should have realised that there was a backlash. Sadly he didn't and look at the result.

Feel free to ride your bucket up and down my street whenever you please and I will treat you like the last prick that made my walls shake when I was watching the Spanish GP and I will ride alongside you and boot you into oblivion. PM me for the address arsewipe :angry2:

Mmmm..I think you have looked at my comment the wrong way round as I agree with you as I was saying that it is not okay to ride a bucket bike up and down the street etc.

Let me know what areswipes you want sent to you...I current have Wiggles Wipes but know where you can obtain Poo and Friends

[ElCoyote]

I have not been in new zealand for long
been into bikes for a long time
there are a couple of things i can not get
my head round in new zealand
1. Insurance Is Not Compulsary :- Why ??,

Politicians are gutless bastards

2. Ban Mobile Phones When You Are Driving, unless you are using hands free. The number of times people have nearly hit me and when i have looked they have been using a phone.

Politicians are gutless bastards


3. Getting A NZ Driving Licence, the law states after you have been in new zealand for 12 months you must get a nz drivers licence but no one checks that you have, i know people who have been here years and still driving under there own licence.

Politicians are gutless bastards

and finally WHY DO PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND IGNORE RED LIGHTS WE MUST STOP THEM

Politicians are gutless bastards

Cannot disagree with any of those points, however, politicians are gutless bastards :msn-wink:

[Grahameeboy]

Sheesh...

We don't want compulsory insurance. Thats because we don't need it. In NZ, as you point out, ACC provides you accident cover. But it also means you can't be sued for your fuckup. Possibly a silly idea. But it means I can ride lots of bikes, and drive lots of cars, and if you want to end that then I have to disagree. Because I can insure a bike or car in NZ for a tiny fraction of the cost in the UK. Don't believe me ? go online and find a UK insurer. Fill out the on-line quote form saying you live in UK and get back to us.

Ban mobile phones ? Maybe. But then we should ban the CD player and radio too.

Red Lights ? Yep, they are chronic problems. Good luck !

The only difference between ACC and NHS is that ACC covers 80% or earnings. Why 80%. well you don't have the expense of going to work so you, lunch etc so you are saving money so 80% reflects this. It's basic 'Indemity'.

But guess Nzers would be happy not to bear any contribution if drunk at time?

Personally, if you drink and drive or drive whilst disqualified or have no licence you should not get any contribution towards earnings and just get cover for medical treatment...sounds harsh but back to making people more accountable.

Insurance is necessary. You can still sue so why would having compulsory Insurance change the right to sue? Compulsory Insurance would make NZ's more accountable which is a cultural problem and needs to be changed.

Funny how we are happy to pay ACC levies and consider this Insurance yet don't agree with having compulsory vehicle insurance when we screw up? Lets not worry about the poor innocent bugger eh? Back to accoutability again.

Mobile phones are totally different to Audio systems as they are way more hands free than a mobile phone and less of a constant distraction.

[Ixion]

The only difference between ACC and NHS is that ACC covers 80% or earnings. Why 80%. well you don't have the expense of going to work so you, lunch etc so you are saving money so 80% reflects this. It's basic 'Indemity'.

,,.

What absolute nonsense. There is no correlation between NHS and ACC at all. The British NHS system is a free(ish) public health system, covering hospital, GP and secialist medical services, and medicines. It has an absoluetly exact counterpart in our DHBs . Which provide hospital, GP and specialist medical services, and medicines. DHB=NHS.

The ACC scheme has NO Pomgolian counterpart. Does not exist. ACC=No equivalent at all.

ACC provides as noted 80% of pre injury earning. Even if the accident was your own fault. It also provides free rehabilitation services, appliances, social rehabilitation (home help etc), retraining, and medical treatment above and beyond that covered by the DHBs (or the NHS) . Unlike commercial insurance schemes ACC is a no fault scheme. So there is no need, as there is in other countries, to endure long and expensive court cases before receiving compensation . And maybe then losing anyway and just being left with a huge lawyers bill.

ACC is vastly superior to the insurance schemes of less enlightened countries. A measure of this is that, although there is absolutely nothing to stop anyone insurinng themselves (as in the UK) very few do.

I can never understand why people should leave their own country and come to another, only to immediately set to whining and moaning and demand that their new abode should change itself to be the same in every way as the one they left. This is not Pomgolia. We do things differently. They are better. If you do not like the way things are done here, go back to dear old Blighty.

[lb99]

[rant] why the fuck do people who walk past my house feel the need to have a good old nose though my livingroom windows, and the get shitty when I tell em to fuck off and myob, jesus I can only imagine what would happen if idecid to clean my rifle on the couch with the curtains open.........

[scracha]

medicines. It has an absoluetly exact counterpart in our DHBs . Which provide hospital, GP and specialist medical services, and medicines. DHB=NHS.

So you mean I shouldn't be paying for visits to the doctor or dentist over here? Woopee. Where do I get my refund.




The ACC scheme has NO Pomgolian counterpart. Does not exist. ACC=No equivalent at all.

99% true. There is an uninsured loss recovery scheme in the UK that from memory covers 90% of damages caused by illegal uninsured arseholes.




ACC provides as noted 80% of pre injury earning. Even if the accident was your own fault. It also provides free rehabilitation services, appliances, social rehabilitation (home help etc), retraining, and medical treatment above and beyond that covered by the DHBs (or the NHS) .

But the point is...if an accident isn't my fault then why the hell should take a 20% wage drop. I've been paying my ACC for a couple of years....I've still to get a straight answer form them as to how much they'd pay me should I get injured.



ACC is vastly superior to the insurance schemes of less enlightened countries. A measure of this is that, although there is absolutely nothing to stop anyone insurinng themselves (as in the UK) very few do.

Sure...in other "less enlightened" countries people actually get a fair payout when some dipshit driver wrecks their vehicle and/or fucks up their life. Also makes people more responsible for their actions if someone else (ACC) isn't bailing them out.

ACC is just a big fuckin drain on hard working New Zealanders and of little help to scores of genuine claimants.




If you do not like the way things are done here, go back to dear old Blighty.
With all due respect Ixion...there's nothing wrong with trying to improve the country you choose to live in....especially if it's just common sense things that most kiwi's agree with such as actually locking up repeat drink drivers and throwing away the key. NZ would be waaaaaay further down the OECD list were it not for us whining immigrants. We're not refugees. We've earned the right to be here and we pay our taxes. So if you don't like that then maybe you should fuck off to dear old blighty or take it up with these arseholes in the beehive?

[Grahameeboy]

What absolute nonsense. There is no correlation between NHS and ACC at all. The British NHS system is a free(ish) public health system, covering hospital, GP and secialist medical services, and medicines. It has an absoluetly exact counterpart in our DHBs . Which provide hospital, GP and specialist medical services, and medicines. DHB=NHS.

ACC is just a form of Tax. Taxes are higher in UK so overall ACC is no more freeless than NHS.

Dhb's collect payment from ACC Tax just like the NHS does from the Govt via taxes.

Health Care is Health Care which ever way you break in up into depts. It all amounts to the same so apart from the 'Earnings' the cover available to NZers is the same in the UK.

The ACC scheme has NO Pomgolian counterpart. Does not exist. ACC=No equivalent at all.

Agree there is not 'Title' equivalent, however, the overall Health service provisions are equal.

ACC provides as noted 80% of pre injury earning. Even if the accident was your own fault. It also provides free rehabilitation services, appliances, social rehabilitation (home help etc), retraining, and medical treatment above and beyond that covered by the DHBs (or the NHS) . Unlike commercial insurance schemes ACC is a no fault scheme. So there is no need, as there is in other countries, to endure long and expensive court cases before receiving compensation . And maybe then losing anyway and just being left with a huge lawyers bill.

In the UK you get free rehab, appliances etc provided by taxes. Don't have to wait for Court cases to be concluded. The Woolf Report in UK has sped up Court Cases and has actually enabled earlier conclusions as liability has to be agreed within 3 months as well as early medical reports.

ACC is vastly superior to the insurance schemes of less enlightened countries. A measure of this is that, although there is absolutely nothing to stop anyone insurinng themselves (as in the UK) very few do.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Personally I thing that a system which pays someone for serious negligence as examples mentioned in previous post, is not ethical. Plus ACC provides better hassle free provisions for someone who drinks and drives than is does for someone born with a disability which is not the case in the UK.

I can never understand why people should leave their own country and come to another, only to immediately set to whining and moaning and demand that their new abode should change itself to be the same in every way as the one they left. This is not Pomgolia. We do things differently. They are better. If you do not like the way things are done here, go back to dear old Blighty.

Not me Ixion, however, just contributing debate. I believe that compulsory vehicle damage insurance is important because it encourages accountability. On the other hand ACC only covers injury and there is no provision for dependants of someone who is killed by a negligent driver but freely helps the drunk driver get back on their feet etc, get 80% of their wages which the dePendants do not get.

To be honest compulsory seat belts in the UK has driven injury compensation claims through the roof with whiplash claims being the Lawyers bread and butter. Dodgy claims becoming common. You are looking at GBP4,000 just for the pain and suffering, then you have loss of amenity etc so your average whiplash claim comes up around the GBP10,000 with costs.

Go back to old blighty is outdated Ixion and fortunately us POM's know this is not Pomgolia and it is sad to think that you consider us so fickle to think like this over ACC.


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[Grahameeboy]

So you mean I shouldn't be paying for visits to the doctor or dentist over here? Woopee. Where do I get my refund.



99% true. There is an uninsured loss recovery scheme in the UK that from memory covers 90% of damages caused by illegal uninsured arseholes.



But the point is...if an accident isn't my fault then why the hell should take a 20% wage drop. I've been paying my ACC for a couple of years....I've still to get a straight answer form them as to how much they'd pay me should I get injured.


Sure...in other "less enlightened" countries people actually get a fair payout when some dipshit driver wrecks their vehicle and/or fucks up their life. Also makes people more responsible for their actions if someone else (ACC) isn't bailing them out.

ACC is just a big fuckin drain on hard working New Zealanders and of little help to scores of genuine claimants.



With all due respect Ixion...there's nothing wrong with trying to improve the country you choose to live in....especially if it's just common sense things that most kiwi's agree with such as actually locking up repeat drink drivers and throwing away the key. NZ would be waaaaaay further down the OECD list were it not for us whining immigrants. We're not refugees. We've earned the right to be here and we pay our taxes. So if you don't like that then maybe you should fuck off to dear old blighty or take it up with these arseholes in the beehive?

+1.........................

[Grahameeboy]

Good old ACC, covers the biker but who pays the funeral expenses..........in the UK this would be covered..........just a small example.

Now if the deceased had been a Father with 2 kids, so dependants, who covers that.....ACC? Nop. Govt? Nop. Insurance? Yes

[Spyke]

When the cunt that killed the girl on the beach was asked twice to "STOP" he should have realised that there was a backlash. Sadly he didn't and look at the result.

Feel free to ride your bucket up and down my street whenever you please and I will treat you like the last prick that made my walls shake when I was watching the Spanish GP and I will ride alongside you and boot you into oblivion. PM me for the address arsewipe :angry2:

How smart can you be riding at night with no lights on! plus at a busy time like new years on a beach where there are no guides to show people where to ride and walk.

i'd like to see my old bucket rattle your walls, sadly it would need a fart can attached and i'm not into that kind of crap :yawn:.

[Ixion]

Good old ACC, covers the biker but who pays the funeral expenses..........in the UK this would be covered..........just a small example.

Now if the deceased had been a Father with 2 kids, so dependants, who covers that.....ACC? Nop. Govt? Nop. Insurance? Yes

Your ignorance is lamentable. As the lass died from an accident, ACC will cover funeral costs. If the decesaed had been a father, ACC benefits are payable to the surviving partner and children.

I suggets you actually read what ACC is and what it does. Your undertsanding of it is totally flawed . The legislation is here (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-set=pal_statutes&clientid=612761218&viewtype=contents&jd=a1986-006%2fs.22-ss.3).

(Incidentally it is very unlikely that the biker will be eligable for any ACC payment. Why do you suppose he would be ?)

EDIT : I've simplified it for you.


69Entitlements provided under this Act
(1)The entitlements provided under this Act are—
(a)rehabilitation, comprising treatment, social rehabilitation, and vocational rehabilitation:
(b)first week compensation:
(c)weekly compensation:
(d)lump sum compensation for permanent impairment:
(e)funeral grants, survivors' grants, weekly compensation for the spouse [or partner], children and other dependants of a deceased claimant, and child care payments.
(2)The entitlements provided under this Act also include the entitlements referred to in Parts 10 and 11.



I also omitted earlier the lump sum comensation (up to $100000 ). In addition to all the rest.

[Ixion]

But the point is...if an accident isn't my fault then why the hell should take a 20% wage drop. I've been paying my ACC for a couple of years....I've still to get a straight answer form them as to how much they'd pay me should I get injured.




And if you wish to you are totally at liberty to take out insurance to cover the other 20% (or any other percentage I guess) . Just as you would have to in the UK. If you are too lazy, cheap or unmotivated to do so (and bear in mind in your Arcadian UK you would have no choice but to), then that is YOUR decision. Don't whine and whinge to us because you can't be bothered to sort yoruself out. Self responsibility, eh what.

[The Stranger]

EDIT: just to let people know this is the first thing i have ever done that has annoyed anyone in our street.

You're just not trying hard enough then.

[Grahameeboy]

Your ignorance is lamentable. As the lass died from an accident, ACC will cover funeral costs. If the decesaed had been a father, ACC benefits are payable to the surviving partner and children.

I suggets you actually read what ACC is and what it does. Your undertsanding of it is totally flawed . The legislation is here (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-set=pal_statutes&clientid=612761218&viewtype=contents&jd=a1986-006%2fs.22-ss.3).

(Incidentally it is very unlikely that the biker will be eligable for any ACC payment. Why do you suppose he would be ?)

EDIT : I've simplified it for you.


I also omitted earlier the lump sum comensation (up to $100000 ). In addition to all the rest.

Fair enough I was not aware of that so that puts things in a different light for me although Ixion you could be more polite in your manner of explanation which to be honest seems to escape you in debate.

Debate is a education tool :yes:

[Grahameeboy]

And if you wish to you are totally at liberty to take out insurance to cover the other 20% (or any other percentage I guess) . Just as you would have to in the UK. If you are too lazy, cheap or unmotivated to do so (and bear in mind in your Arcadian UK you would have no choice but to), then that is YOUR decision. Don't whine and whinge to us because you can't be bothered to sort yoruself out. Self responsibility, eh what.

Geeze Ixion, he was just raising a point and you hurl into one.....

[Badcat]

cus they are losers once my neighbour had a go at me because as i was changing mufflers i gave my bike a blip on the thorttle....he comes over blah blah blah, even standard it's too noisy blah blah blah...left the can on for the day....next morning leave for work......bop bop bop bop....**no muffler at all** ** just a plate partly covering the zorst for some backpressure**....leave the streeet bwarrrrrrppp...19k rpm...everytime i would come home chop it down through the gears...at 18 or 19 thou rpm... get ot the bottom of my uphill drive rev the snot out of it to get it up....

did this for four days, then put the muffler back on....

never ever complained again since.

some people are just cunt's ,
...if you want peace and quiet go live on the moon, not in fucking suburbia....WANKERS

you're right skidmark.
some people are just cunts.

[scracha]

And if you wish to you are totally at liberty to take out insurance to cover the other 20% (or any other percentage I guess) . Just as you would have to in the UK.

No...THEIR compulsory insurance would pay my 100%...not mine (as I wouldn't be at fault).



If you are too lazy, cheap or unmotivated to do so (and bear in mind in your Arcadian UK you would have no choice but to), then that is YOUR decision. Don't whine and whinge to us because you can't be bothered to sort yoruself out. Self responsibility, eh what.
Eh? I've to sort myself out? It's my fault if another driver is too lazy, cheap and unmotivated to take out third party insurance to cover their actions? In my arcadian UK I'm only compelled to take third party insurance. In my arcadian UK I only NEED to take out third party insurance as I don't realistically have to worry about being left out of pocket by some uninsured fucktard and losing 20% of my earnings.

I don't actually believe in comprehensive insurance...if I'm stupid enough to crash my vehicle or hurt myself then I should pay for it. Plus it makes me a lot more careful. However, I'm no so arrogant to believe I'll never smack into someone's supercar or cause others injury so I take the precaution of 3rd party insurance.

[Grahameeboy]

No...THEIR compulsory insurance would pay my 100%...not mine (as I wouldn't be at fault).

Eh? I've to sort myself out? It's my fault if another driver is too lazy, cheap and unmotivated to take out third party insurance to cover their actions? In my arcadian UK I'm only compelled to take third party insurance. In my arcadian UK I only NEED to take out third party insurance as I don't realistically have to worry about being left out of pocket by some uninsured fucktard and losing 20% of my earnings.

I don't actually believe in comprehensive insurance...if I'm stupid enough to crash my vehicle or hurt myself then I should pay for it. Plus it makes me a lot more careful. However, I'm no so arrogant to believe I'll never smack into someone's supercar or cause others injury so I take the precaution of 3rd party insurance.

That's right, coming from the UK we have learned accountability which is my only gripe with ACC.

Never understood how in NZ you can break the Law ie drink and drive yet still be given the red carpet treatment (Legislated by Govt) if you screw up. If ACC took extreme circumstances like this into account when considering claims, maybe, and I guess it is a big maybe, potential offenders may think twice.

Trubs is that NZ want to have self accountability which is why they complain about the Anti-Smacking Laws etc when they don't realise that they need to be legislated.

Thats me in the poo now....:whocares:

[Oscar]

That's right, coming from the UK we have learned accountability which is my only gripe with ACC.

Never understood how in NZ you can break the Law ie drink and drive yet still be given the red carpet treatment (Legislated by Govt) if you screw up. If ACC took extreme circumstances like this into account when considering claims, maybe, and I guess it is a big maybe, potential offenders may think twice.

Trubs is that NZ want to have self accountability which is why they complain about the Anti-Smacking Laws etc when they don't realise that they need to be legislated.

Thats me in the poo now....:whocares:


The whole point of ACC is that it's "no fault".
As soon as you start attributing blame, you get the lawyers involved.

[scracha]

I can never understand why people should leave their own country and come to another, only to immediately set to whining and moaning and demand that their new abode should change itself to be the same in every way as the one they left.

So I presume you're typing this from your whare then Ixion? :first:

[Grahameeboy]

The whole point of ACC is that it's "no fault".
As soon as you start attributing blame, you get the lawyers involved.

I know but that is what is part of the problem which is where the accountability comes in.

A country that pays for someone stupid enough to drink and drive and break the Law when they spend money on anti-drink drive campaigns but then will happily spend $$$''s paying someone who ignores the campaign has to look at itself.

Like I said a lot of people moaned about the anti-smacking law because it was a waste of time etc and was telling them what to do yet the same people advocate ACC paying for drink drivers.

As you know disability is my boat. A drunk driver who is crippled gets a mobility van whether they are able to drive it or not. I had to find $25,000 to by a mobility van because Nats, who was born disabled, cannot drive it so I do not get help...go figure.

You may say it's different depts, however, ACC. Income Tax is just tax to the Govt so at end of day the Banker is the Govt.

Drink Driving / Unlicensed Drivers / Disqualified Drivers doesn't require Lawyers as the facts speak for themselves.

It is 'Accident' Insurance but the above are pre-meditated. That is the difference.

[scumdog]

Sheesh...

We don't want compulsory insurance. Thats because we don't need it. In NZ, as you point out, ACC provides you accident cover. But it also means you can't be sued for your fuckup. . Good luck !
Fuckin' arse!

So my $30,000+ bike gets totalled and ACC pays?:shit::no:

"I don't think so Tim"

The insurance company of the 'innocent party' wil sue your arse off.:yes:

[davereid]

Quite right.. I was refering to personal injury not your vehicle.

But even with regard to vehicle insurance, making third part cover compulsory has the effect of making comprehesive cover very expensive. If you were to do a comparison, you may find its currently cheaper to voluntarily get full cover in NZ, than 3rd party is in countries where insurance is compulsory.

So if you only own one vehicle, and you are sure you will always be in the right, compulsory 3rd party is a good idea. But if you own several, it may not be that wonderful !

Plus, of course ACC covers even the unregistered for personal injury. Compulsory insurance is a bit like complusory rego, wofs etc. Not everyone bothers.

[Pixie]

Cos they're old. Old people always want to stop young people having fun. It's sort of like people are born with a certain amount of fun, and when they've used it all up they go through a sort of "fun menopause" and get all dry and withered and crabby and miserable.

The little known secret is that the body's store of fun is replenished by bike riding. Though I must admit it doesn't seem to wrok in all cases.

This is common to many mammals.
Ever noticed how calves, lambs,puppies etc. play when they are young and rarely when they are old?

[Ixion]

...
As you know disability is my boat. A drunk driver who is crippled gets a mobility van whether they are able to drive it or not. I had to find $25,000 to by a mobility van because Nats, who was born disabled, cannot drive it so I do not get help...go figure.

You may say it's different depts, however, ACC. Income Tax is just tax to the Govt so at end of day the Banker is the Govt.

...

That is a valid complaint. There is no equitable justification for the invidious distinction between those disabled as a result of an accident and those disable due to other causes.

And, in fact, Sir Owen Woodhouse, the architect of the ACC sheme, intended that stage two should extend the scheme to non-accident disability. And the original 1972 act made provision for that.

And subsequent governments prepared to implement it. And almost made it.



The “Third Woodhouse Report” was prepared by the Law Commission when Sir Owen Woodhouse was its president. In its report “Personal Injury, Prevention and Recovery”, the Law Commission recommended an end to the “inequality of luck” which flows from providing cover for those who suffer personal injury by accident, but not to those who are disabled by sickness or disease.



The Government appointed a working party under the chairmanship of Sir Kenneth Keith, then of the Law Commission, to further develop the policy of extending ACC cover to sickness. The Government’s intention to expand the scope of cover was announced in the 1989 Budget. The legislation to implement the Government’s policy was introduced as the Rehabilitation and Incapacity Bill 1990. That Bill was never enacted.

Never made it because it was knobbled by the 1990 National government , another little deed that the NZ public can thank them for, and those who support the original intention have not been able to restore that commitment.

If Labour had won the 1990 election, Natalie's condition would be covered under ACC. A much fairer situation. Sad, as usual greed triumphed over fairness.

[Grahameeboy]

That is a valid complaint. There is no equitable justification for the invidious distinction between those disabled as a result of an accident and those disable due to other causes.

And, in fact, Sir Owen Woodhouse, the architect of the ACC sheme, intended that stage two should extend the scheme to non-accident disability. And the original 1972 act made provision for that.

And subsequent governments prepared to implement it. And almost made it.



Never made it because it was knobbled by the 1990 National government , another little deed that the NZ public can thank them for, and those who support the original intention have not been able to restore that commitment.

If Labour had won the 1990 election, Natalie's condition would be covered under ACC. A much fairer situation. Sad, as usual greed triumphed over fairness.

Well the van is the main issue. I may still have had trubs getting the wheelchair as it was an age thing and ACC with all it's rules may not be any better.

[Ixion]

ACC pay conversion costs or provide specialised vehicles for claimants.

[skidMark]

aahahaah somebody red repped me for a post in this thread from april bwahahahahahha