NZ Police sex changes.

[Dafe]

This Country is turning to Shit! The Government's SHIT! Now, The Police Force is just plain SHIT!

What ever happened to the New Zealand that constituted assets like pride, dignity, teamwork, loyalty and safety?

It wasn't so long ago that this country was respectable and that the NZ Police force were even respectable.

So where exactly is this Labour Government leading the people of New Zealand?

Now.......... The latest ammendment to our NZ Police,
Sex Changed Police!

http://www.stuff.co.nz//4034779a11.html

I'm sorry - But in my eyes - The NZ Police have just lost all credibility.
I don't care if it's only one individual - Fact is, It's a Police wide lack of standards. To hell with Political Correctness.
Take some pride and have the balls to reject the Freaks! Have some Credibility!

[James Deuce]

There's a lot of stuff in your world that shouldn't be, isn't there Dafe?

[Donor]

So, anyone that has a sex change op and isn't a cop... that's okay, and they can perform any function in society without prejudice...

But, if someone who is a cop has the op, then the entire force is going to hell in a handbasket?

I don't follow...

[Mr. Peanut]

Sounds like a brave guy. What's the problem? It's only sexuality.

[Dafe]

For sure - Kawasakis, Hondas and Yamahas!

[James Deuce]

Can I add scooters to that?

[Dafe]

So, anyone that has a sex change op and isn't a cop... that's okay, and they can perform any function in society without prejudice...

But, if someone who is a cop has the op, then the entire force is going to hell in a handbasket?

I don't follow...



I'm not expecting you to understand. Thats the problem with this country.
Too many people have no understanding! and vote Labour.

[Big Dave]

I'm sorry - But in my eyes - The NZ Police have just lost all credibility.

They must be gutted.
Next time they are dealing with some fucked out P head gangster or violent pissed idiot vomiting on them I hope they remember it.

[candor]

One way to dodge Police rape allegations. When the top cop said he needed all the girlies in the force to help restore peoples faith I did not think he expected this amount of enthusiasm from the ranks. Thats BRAVE, and lets not forget that pollies led the way with Georgie.

[sels1]

Sounds like a brave guy. What's the problem? It's only sexuality.

Yeah....does it make one think... or just re-arrange ones prejudges....?

[Skyryder]

I'm not expecting you to understand. Thats the problem with this country.
Too many people have no understanding! and vote Labour.

No the problem with this country is that there are too many people who believe that their values are the 'correct' values and all other values are the 'politicaly correct' ones. I agree that too many people have no understanding, no understanding of other values, other than their own.

Skyryder

[Dafe]

They must be gutted.
Next time they are dealing with some fucked out P head gangster or violent pissed idiot vomiting on them I hope they remember it.

I just hope Sarahs breast implants don't get too damaged in a scuffle. The reconstruction could end up costing you and me a fair bit.

[Big Dave]

I just hope Sarahs breast implants don't get too damaged in a scuffle. The reconstruction could end up costing you and me a fair bit.

;-) Not to metion the mascara!

[Dafe]

No the problem with this country is that there are too many people who believe that their values are the 'correct' values and all other values are the 'politicaly correct' ones. I agree that too many people have no understanding, no understanding of other values, other than their own.

Skyryder

Clearly, I'm a minority here. Proud of it too.

Because the majority vote clearly has this country heading their direction.

[Madness]

Calm down Dafe, it's not like it's a real Police Officer

Lurajud, a strategic traffic group officer, had gender-reassignment surgery in Phuket, Thailand, three weeks ago.
It's assigned as a Revenue Collector.


"Now I can go on and lead the life I was always meant to have," Lurajud, 48, told Sunday News after dismounting from a powerful Suzuki motorcycle at her Halswell home.
Confusion with sexuality, typical Suzuki owner...:dodge:

[Skyryder]

Clearly, I'm a minority here. Proud of it too.

Because the majority vote clearly has this country heading their direction.

I'll put it another way. You no doubt expect the Police to act within the law. And yet you to seem to be proclaiming that if a policeman has a sex change that should be sufficient for him/her to be dismissed from their employment. That's how I interpreted your post, that amonst other things. Don't you think that they are entitled to the same protection of employment law as you are? So what are you proud of? Being a minority or am I missing something here.

Skyryder

[Dafe]

Calm down Dafe, it's not like it's a real Police Officer

"Now I can go on and lead the life I was always meant to have," Lurajud, 48, told Sunday News after dismounting from a powerful Suzuki motorcycle at her Halswell home.


Confusion with sexuality, typical Suzuki owner...:dodge:

Bwahahaha!

Ironic that his/her dismounting of his/her manhood is sentenced along side a dismounting of a suzuki.

I notice the reporter said "powerful suzuki motorcycle".

Must have been a ZZR1100 owner observing the Suzuki FXR150.

[Ixion]

Goodness. The opportunities to take the mickey out of any Christchurch cops who stop someone for a wee chat in the next few months.

Not something I'm madly enthused about in general, but it's legal and I can't see why any distinction should be made for cops.

[SixPackBack]

....................

[Grahameeboy]

Clearly, I'm a minority here. Proud of it too.

Because the majority vote clearly has this country heading their direction.

Welcome to the real world Dafe:yes:

[Big Dave]

Goodness. The opportunities to take the mickey out of any Christchurch cops who stop someone for a wee chat in the next few months.

Show me your licence - show me your tits...mate.

[Grahameeboy]

Show me your licence - show me your tits...mate.

He ain't got either has he??:gob: :scooter:

[Skyryder]

Goodness. The opportunities to take the mickey out of any Christchurch cops who stop someone for a wee chat in the next few months.

Not something I'm madly enthused about in general, but it's legal and I can't see why any distinction should be made for cops.



Yes I can see someone taking the piss out of ??.

Do you stand or do squat
Go now less or go a lot

(Chorus) reply

I use to go and go a lot
But now I find it's less and less
It does take longer with my dress
And if there is a que, no prob.
I am now 'ambidextrous.'


Skyryder

[phaedrus]

nope, can't see a problem here. I just think it's a shame it took her so long to come to the conclusion.

[Dafe]

I'll put it another way. You no doubt expect the Police to act within the law.

Skyryder

No I don't. Where there is a corrupt government, I'd expect corruption within it's departments.


And yet you to seem to be proclaiming that if a policeman has a sex change that should be sufficient for him/her to be dismissed from their employment. That's how I interpreted your post

Skyryder

No I'm not proclaiming that. I'm stating that the standards are dropping. To the point that I don't think the word "standards" is applicable.

Gone are the height requirements.
Gone are the entry standards. (Now with failed recruits being passed, provided they undergo remedial training in the future).
The physical requirements are even dropping.

The defence force no longer has a run test for it's personnel. It's now a walk test!

And now we have sex changing........


That's how I interpreted your post, that amonst other things.
Skyryder

My post is infact directed at the Standards, not the individuals.


Don't you think that they are entitled to the same protection of employment law as you are?
Skyryder

I'm fulltime employed.

However, My employment laws heavily breach NZ employment laws. As a result, my personnal employment laws don't provide me any ground to stand on.


So what are you proud of? Being a minority or am I missing something here.

Skyryder

I'm simply proud to be in the minority. The minority will remain just that. Because this government has no intention or method to preventing the emigration of this countries most highly educated citizens.
We continue to emigrate 600 educated/working NZ'ers a week to Australia, whilst Labour replaces them with predominantly unskilled, beneficiaires and refugees.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes I can see someone taking the piss out of ??.

Do you stand or do squat
Go now less or go a lot

(Chorus) reply

I use to go and go a lot
But now I find it's less and less
It does take longer with my dress
And if there is a que, no prob.
I am now 'ambidextrous.'


Skyryder

Ambisextrous maybe

And when I need to catch a taxi
I simply show a bit of my mufty

Just enough to get the drivers attention
So I don't have to get out my truncheon

[The Pastor]

ah the joys of a liberal nation. Now where's my shotgun.

[Grahameeboy]

Why do the police have to do a run test when they have Police cars? Can just see that it should be a requirement to carry out a Police vehicle pursuit on foot.................

So if less recruits get in because they do not pass all aspects of training then I guess there would be less Police so we get back to the same old bash that the Police do not attend to crimes because of lack of resources.

The real test of how good a Police officer is surely comes when they start doing the job, not how fit they are.

The Police need more skills than doing a run test or passing a physical test..........maybe we need more 'Thinkers' than 'Gorilla's' in the Police force....I mean you could have some geezer who passes the test with flying colours, you know, 1,000 push ups, 10k's in 10 minutes but he is a crap cop, exactly the kind you will complain about whereas the Police bashers are always complaining that some cops don't use discretion.............

[Grahameeboy]

ah the joys of a liberal nation. Now where's my shotgun.

Don't do it....call the Samaritans first buddy......you can get help........

[The Pastor]

I can get help, but I can't afford it, If you would like to help me get the help I need pm me i'll give you a bank account number.

[Grahameeboy]

I can get help, but I can't afford it, If you would like to help me get the help I need pm me i'll give you a bank account number.

Well if you can afford bullets you can surely afford the FREE call to the Samaritans..............geeze you youngsters want it on a plate don't ya......

[SixPackBack]

.................

[Dafe]

Why do the police have to do a run test when they have Police cars? Can just see that it should be a requirement to carry out a Police vehicle pursuit on foot.................

So if less recruits get in because they do not pass all aspects of training then I guess there would be less Police so we get back to the same old bash that the Police do not attend to crimes because of lack of resources.

The real test of how good a Police officer is surely comes when they start doing the job, not how fit they are.

The Police need more skills than doing a run test or passing a physical test..........maybe we need more 'Thinkers' than 'Gorilla's' in the Police force....I mean you could have some geezer who passes the test with flying colours, you know, 1,000 push ups, 10k's in 10 minutes but he is a crap cop, exactly the kind you will complain about whereas the Police bashers are always complaining that some cops don't use discretion.............

Let's face it, The Police have a job that may place them in the face of some very serious Danger. Their Physical attribute may be the difference between life and death. Therefore - Physicality has a real importance and should be promoted, the standards should not be lowered for their own sake.

In saying that, maybe Sarahs new physical attributes may result in less aggressive behaviour towards him/her? Makes one think!

Is lowering the standard the only way to combat the drop in recruiting?
Why not maintain the standard, pay better and provide a better renumeration package?

[Grahameeboy]

Sex change operations for all pleece orificers........help them get in touch with their female side.

That is a great idea Sixbelly....................

Scumdog with become Cumgirl
Patrick will become Patricialicious
....to name but a few

The Chief of Police will become the Madam of Police

The Commissioner will become the Missionary Position

Tickets will be pink

Fines will be 'In Kind'

Yes I can see a new future for the Police

[Grahameeboy]

Let's face it, The Police have a job that may place them in the face of some very serious Danger. Their Physical attribute may be the difference between life and death. Therefore - Physicality has a real importance and should be promoted, the standards should not be lowered.

Is lowering the standard the only way to combat the drop in recruiting?
Why not maintain the standard, pay better and provide a better renumeration package?

'Serious Danger'......more pay etc.....mmmm....are you in advertising...........

There has to be a balance.....even a pyhsically fit cop may not be upto dealing with a physco......like that guy a few years ago with a machette and the Police shot him.............strong trigger finger??

We have Counsellors, Social Workers who work with criminals, trouble people yet we expect the Police to provide the physical stuff......it seems to me that a passive cop is better than an aggressive cop......especially in this PC world......

[Dafe]

'Serious Danger'......more pay etc.....mmmm....are you in advertising...........

There has to be a balance.....even a pyhsically fit cop may not be upto dealing with a physco......like that guy a few years ago with a machette and the Police shot him.............strong trigger finger??

We have Counsellors, Social Workers who work with criminals, trouble people yet we expect the Police to provide the physical stuff......it seems to me that a passive cop is better than an aggressive cop......especially in this PC world......

I finally realised we had some half decent cops in this country when I heard about that New Plymouth incident.

Mate, I'd love to shake the hand of that police officer that shot that dude.

Actually, no I wouldn't - In case it's Sarah.

We need alot more hard-line approach. We need a few South African cops in this country.

[SlashWylde]

I'm not expecting you to understand. Thats the problem with this country.
Too many people have no understanding! and vote Labour.

I'd say understanding is central to this issue. i.e. know someone and understand them before you judge them. So who's lacking in understanding Dafe?

This officer isn't out there causing harm to other members of society, unlike thieves murderers and rapists. Rather, she is doing her part to protect the peace in our community. Thats very admirable.

What's more admirable is that she has found a way to be comfortable in her own skin AND return to the police force. No doubt she will face judgment and rejection from many of her colleagues. A little understanding and compassion for another human being would go a long way.

[Dafe]

This country is too PC. The police did a fine job.

Look at overseas approaches, there's no questioning the outcome overseas.
Thats how it should be here.

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/SteveIjames/articles/108529/

[Dafe]

This officer isn't out there causing harm to other members of society, unlike thieves murderers and rapists. Rather, she is doing her part to protect the peace in our community. Thats very admirable.

What's more admirable is that she has found a way to be comfortable in her own skin AND return to the police force. No doubt she will face judgment and rejection from many of her colleagues. A little understanding and compassion for another human being would go a long way.

Yep, You're right. I couldn't agree more!!!

There is no personal issue here.

[Donor]

Therefore - Physicality has a real importance and should be promoted, the standards should not be lowered for their own sake.

Sarahs physicality is the same as it was before the op.

A bit more ballast in the front, and a little less in the garage, but essentially the same strength, level of fitness etc...

How the hell is this Labours fault? Did they legislate that she should have her tackle snipped?

Whatever you're on, I don't want any... I'm happy with both eyes functioning ta...

[Dafe]

I'd say understanding is central to this issue. i.e. know someone and understand them before you judge them. So who's lacking in understanding Dafe?



As I've clearly indicated previously, this thread is actually about the Standards of the Police Force. Thats the bigger picture here.

Perhaps you lack this understanding and have jumped to conclusions far too quickly?

[Dafe]

Sarahs physicality is the same as it was before the op.

A bit more ballast in the front, and a little less in the garage, but essentially the same strength, level of fitness etc...

How the hell is this Labours fault? Did they legislate that she should have her tackle snipped?

Whatever you're on, I don't want any... I'm happy with both eyes functioning ta...

Labour policies are the drive behind NZ's political correctness.
A socialist government that is not clever in the way it deceives, it is infact aided by the fact that the average New Zealander sees/accepts only whats
on the surface.

How could you not even piece together the relationship??? OMG!

New Zealand's brain drain is really quite bad. The educated are - Sparsely here it would seem.




I actually couldn't give a hoot if Sarah was my nextdoor neighbour.

However, If the Police Comissioner lived next door, that would be a different story - I'd actually talk to him!

[Skyryder]

A socialist government that is not clever in the way it deceives, it is infact aided by the fact that the average New Zealander sees only whats on the surface.


Labour is not a socialist Government. Those that claim that it is have no undestanding of socialism. This Government operates under the umbrella of market forces. It applies legislation as a counter ballance to those that are most vunerable to it. That is not socialism.

As for New Zealanders only seeing what's on the surface I can only comment that you seem to have your head buried in the sand. In balance Kiwis are very well informed. Even those that oppose my views but there is an arrogance that you have a superior intellect than the rest of us.

Skyryder

[Dafe]

Labour is not a socialist Government.

Skyryder

I was waiting for somebody to say just that!

For that statement alone would point to the biggest fool of all!

Now, your mission if you have any balls...... Is to ring Radio Pacific talkback in the morning, and tell John Banks and the members of the political listening nation that Labour is not a Socialist Government. :rofl:

Honestly, I couldn't dream of hearing anything funnier!

[Dafe]

In balance Kiwis are very well informed. Even those that oppose my views but there is an arrogance that you have a superior intellect than the rest of us.

Skyryder

I failed 5th form school C English, 6th form English - The school wouldn't permit me to do 7th form.
My 5th form maths teacher fought to prevent me sitting SC Maths because I couldn't better than %20 in my dummy run tests.
I've failed biology, chemistry, french miserably. Too dumb to consider calculous - Couldn't even figure out how to spell it!
I went to polytech, failed that and left early to work as a furniture remover.

And somebody here thinks I'm displaying some form of intellect?

Fook me - There's someone here that's dumber than me!:gob:

[Oakie]

At 1 o'clock this morning two police officers (1 male, 1 female) came to my daughter's flat and arrested her pissed (now ex) boyfriend who had kicked in her car windscreen, smashed her bedroom window, broken two phones so the police could not be rung and left her with bruises on her head and upper body.

I couldn't give a toss about those police officers' sexuality, their race or even what rugby team they support. I'm just so glad that they got there and did what they did in a professional manner and stopped further harm to my daughter.

[Hitcher]

I'm not sure what's worse: being outted as a woman or having a doppelganger who posts pictures of himself on the web wearing a Tron suit.

[Fatjim]

Whats the bet Scumdog asks for his name to be changed.

Here's a few ideas

Ladycop
Scumbitch
outside-in
HPtwat

[Skyryder]

I was waiting for somebody to say just that!

For that statement alone would point to the biggest fool of all!

Now, your mission if you have any balls...... Is to ring Radio Pacific talkback in the morning, and tell John Banks and the members of the political listening nation that Labour is not a Socialist Government. :rofl:

Honestly, I couldn't dream of hearing anything funnier!

It's precisely because of Banks, Perigo, etc that most New Zealanders believe that Labour 'is' a socialist Government. They have a political agenda in promoting this as they both come from the opposite politcal spectrum. Banks is an ACT supporter as is Perigro in as much as their (ACT'S) political views match the Liberterianz's of which Perigro is their most prominent 'admirer.'

When you have to resort to other indaviduals to support your views it only indicates that you are unable to develope views on your own and the inability to give reasons for them.

Skyryder

[Dafe]

It's precisely because of Banks, Perigo, etc that most New Zealanders believe that Labour 'is' a socialist Government. They have a political agenda in promoting this as they both come from the opposite politcal spectrum. Banks is an ACT supporter as is Perigro in as much as their (ACT'S) political views match the Liberterianz's of which Perigro is their most prominent 'admirer.'

When you have to resort to other indaviduals to support your views it only indicates that you are unable to develope views on your own and the inability to give reasons for them.

Skyryder

Like I said - I'm really quite dumb!

I don't know why I don't support Labours immigration policies, why I don't support their ability to change laws to suit their personal needs. Why would I want them to repay election overspending when I can pay for it? It don't matter that the law has only just changed to now state that tax payer money be used for election funding/over funding. Naturally, It's gonna take alot of airbrushing for labour's advertising billboards!
Why would I want them to pay for herceptin treatment for NZ breast cancer victims (Is Sarah at risk?) when the money can be used to fund Helen to stand on the back of our Boat with her 25 strong taxpayer funded maori haka support party. Why would I want to see her stop the brain drain issue when that gives me a chance to lift myself from the bottom? I mean, Rape and murder are thriving, Why would I want that to be interviened with?
What's wrong with high speed motorcades - It's a footy nation.
High level corruption in the Police department. High level corruption in the corrections system - makes for good reading! So I'm told!
Do I care that prisoners are becoming well off by making an occassional compensation claim here or there.
Prostitution legalisation/promotion - That'll save a fair few parents needing to fork out pocket money.
Who cares if were declining on the OECD list of countries, tending toward the third world countries. Who cares if our leader falsifies artwork or documents.
So what if Helen is great friends with the communist president of Cuba, Fidel Castro, and is now opening an embassy in NZ. Taxpayers can pay for it.
Who cares that we are the only country in the world that would accept international terrorists like Zaoui. Why would I care that the government lies about the level of student debt, or breaks promises about tax relief, or even lies about the multibillion dollar debt raised by Labours Kiyoto protocol signing. Why not raise your kids the way labour want you to? Do you deserve a choice or something?

I don't care, I could go on and on. But I don't care. Coz I decided that I ain't paying the government no more - I'm taking instead! Bwahahaha!

With my previous listed credentials - You can just join them!

You're right Skyrider, I have no views. I'm too dumb to evaluate any of my own views. Can I borrow yours?

[spudchucka]

Take some pride and have the balls to reject the Freaks!

I think the freak just rejected his balls!

Its a f*#ken strange world at times.

[Ixion]

Mr Skyryder is quite correct. This government is in no way socialist. They would not know what socialism was if it bit them on the toe .

*I* am a socialist. Mr Dafe, I am your worst fear. But I am not PC. Nor are any socialists. We do however palce a high value on fairness and social justice.

[Storm]

The defence force no longer has a run test for it's personnel. It's now a walk test!



News to this particular serving soldier in Her Majesty's Army. I had to pass my run test in January, and I'll be running another in June.
Where'd you hear about the walk test?

[spudchucka]

They must be gutted.

Nope, just castrated.

[Dafe]

News to this particular serving soldier in Her Majesty's Army. I had to pass my run test in January, and I'll be running another in June.
Where'd you hear about the walk test?

From the horses mouth at Defence HQ. Keep up with the play chap!

It's now to be a Pack march in full DPM/webbing.

As is already in place at Ohakea.

Coming soon to a base/camp near you!

OK, So I didn't mention the 20KG weight............. Enjoy!!!

[Storm]

Ah shitbox- I'd rather run for a 2.4 km than walk 12km :(

[Dafe]

Ah shitbox- I'd rather run for a 2.4 km than walk 12km :(

Likewise. It's easier to bowl on up, do a reasonable paced jog and shit, shower and shave before you even knew you left. Now, it's just gonna take you ages to do something easy!

12KM walk? You've been checking up on my stories! Where'd you hear that?

[Daffyd]

Why do the police have to do a run test when they have Police cars? Can just see that it should be a requirement to carry out a Police vehicle pursuit on foot.................

So if less recruits get in because they do not pass all aspects of training then I guess there would be less Police so we get back to the same old bash that the Police do not attend to crimes because of lack of resources.

The real test of how good a Police officer is surely comes when they start doing the job, not how fit they are.

The Police need more skills than doing a run test or passing a physical test..........maybe we need more 'Thinkers' than 'Gorilla's' in the Police force....I mean you could have some geezer who passes the test with flying colours, you know, 1,000 push ups, 10k's in 10 minutes but he is a crap cop, exactly the kind you will complain about whereas the Police bashers are always complaining that some cops don't use discretion.............

Talking about Police sitting in their cars. What about the fatso they kept showing on the news about the Virginia Tech shooting. So fat he could hardly get out of his own way. He looked as though he was going to have a heart attack. Looked like the first time he'd ever run!

[Dafe]

Talking about Police sitting in their cars. What about the fatso they kept showing on the news about the Virginia Tech shooting. So fat he could hardly get out of his own way. He looked as though he was going to have a heart attack. Looked like the first time he'd ever run!

I didn't know we held an exchange programme with the US. Don't discriminate now!!!

[oldrider]

New Zealand "is" a Socialist country, the populace is majority socialist thinking, all of the major political parties on offer are socialist.

They are all left of center. (Including ACT, IMHO)

Look up any definition of Socialism for yourselves and see if it fits.

You can have any colour government you like in NZ as long as it's socialist!

A bit like Henry Fords Model T, any colour you like as long as it's black!

As for the Police Officer changing his sex, it has nothing to do with anyone else, not even his employers, except to change his personal records accordingly.

They employ male and female officers so he/she is still within the scope for the job.

I do object to it being paid for by the taxpayers though, (if it was) it was his/her "choice", not mine or yours!

Good luck to her, life must be tough to have to face up to something like that!

There but for the grace of God, go I. :shit: So they say! :innocent: Cheers John.

[Dafe]

I do object to it being paid for by the taxpayers though, (if it was) it was his/her "choice", not mine or yours!



There but for the grace of God, go I. :shit: So they say! :innocent: Cheers John.

I don't know who covered the costs, but I'd imagine if it affected Sarah's ability to concentrate properly on her job, then funding would be available to her.

After all, the Labour Government pays for Prisoners to undergo sex changes, along with their own occassional MP's operations.

As long as you're requiring sexual natured medical attention and you're not a working class tax payer requiring life saving medical treatment, then you should be eligable for government funding.

[Ixion]

New Zealand "is" a Socialist country, the populace is majority socialist thinking, all of the major political parties on offer are socialist.

They are all left of center. (Including ACT, IMHO)

Look up any definition of Socialism for yourselves and see if it fits.

You can have any colour government you like in NZ as long as it's socialist!

A bit like Henry Fords Model T, any colour you like as long as it's black!

..



1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


Well, (1) an (2) certainly don't suit NZ. Show me any current political party that advocates collective or state ownership of the means of production and distribution.

And to accept (3) we would have to accept that NZ is not a capitalist society, which would infer that almost every country on earth was socialist, which seems manifestly incorrect.

The classic litmus test for a socialist government is that it advocates, and acts on, the principle of state or communal ownership of the means of production , distribution and exchange. No major NZ party supports this. Noone is going to nationalise Air NZ or Telecom.

[Madness]

You guys need to get out & ride more often, Dafe especially.

[xwhatsit]

The educated are - Sparsely here it would seem.


Yeah, I can see that :innocent:

Your reaction to this quite un-newsworthy piece of information seems to be a mix of two of your prejudices -- the current `authority' presiding over you (combination of the government currently in power and the police), and you also seem to have a powerful fear of homosexuality. Combine the two and your old-world ultra-conservative brain seems to have overheated. There's very little you've posted in this thread which has actually made much sense to me.

You speak of a drop in standards. How, in this particular case (not interested in the rest of the bullshit), has this reflected on a drop in standards? What standards, that should be there in your view, is she failing?

[Dafe]

or

1) This labour government is promoting Chinese trade relations.
The government's trade policies is forcing many NZ companies into offshore production. The government makes these decisions themselves and companies are put in a position whereby they participate or face certain company closure.
That is governmental administration directly affecting this countries production and goods distribution.

2) Private Property - How many other countries in the world allow any other nationailty to purchase their land? How many other governments are selling off their national forests/assets to offshore investors? Even the commercial buildings. The way of the future is fast not becoming the 1/4 acre dream.
The private property is infact quickly dissapearing offshore.
When I think of a society in which means of production are owned/controlled by the state, I think how New Zealand companies are forced into Labours asian trade sectors. If the government takes a good third of a companies money in taxes, they as good as own a third.

3) Unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
Would that be anything like New Zealands taxpayers receiving no government assisted medical treatment for things like the Herceptin drug.
Whereas the government will pay medical charges for sex changes to non tax paying prisoners?

From the comments you listed, I see a trend towards Socialism. No we are not hardcore, yet. We are defvinately facing down that path now.

We have a government that alters laws at it's own will.
Even alters laws against the will of %80 plus of the nation.
This government is not a government for the people. They're in it for their own profitability.

[oldrider]

Well, (1) an (2) certainly don't suit NZ. Show me any current political party that advocates collective or state ownership of the means of production and distribution.

And to accept (3) we would have to accept that NZ is not a capitalist society, which would infer that almost every country on earth was socialist, which seems manifestly incorrect.

The classic litmus test for a socialist government is that it advocates, and acts on, the principle of state or communal ownership of the means of production , distribution and exchange. No major NZ party supports this. Noone is going to nationalise Air NZ or Telecom.

So many men, so many opinions, I believe that they are all tinkering and delving in the those things because that is what the voters want and that is the direction that the political opportunists of NZ will give them, by degree.

That is why I believe New Zealand is a Socialist country, State control and interference is everywhere, if it moves tax it, if still moves legislate against it, control, control, rules, rules bloody rules!

I value my freedom and the right to choose as long as I am not harming or affecting anyone else, that is why I like riding motorcycles! :ride: John

[Swoop]

Two questions please?

#1. Are there differing standards of fitness test for males and females to be accepted into the police? (If so, which did the person attempt???)

#2. If assigned to motorcycle duty, will the person be required to ride sidesaddle?

[Dafe]

Yeah, I can see that :innocent:

Your reaction to this quite un-newsworthy piece of information seems to be a mix of two of your prejudices -- the current `authority' presiding over you (combination of the government currently in power and the police), and you also seem to have a powerful fear of homosexuality. Combine the two and your old-world ultra-conservative brain seems to have overheated. There's very little you've posted in this thread which has actually made much sense to me.

You speak of a drop in standards. How, in this particular case (not interested in the rest of the bullshit), has this reflected on a drop in standards? What standards, that should be there in your view, is she failing?

Considering the fact that my work colleague is very out there and I spend most hours of the day enjoying his company, I'd say you've put the round into the chamber backwards buddy!

I'm speaking standards from 10-20 years ago. When we had a nation that was respectful and proud. When murders & rapes was a rarity not a common daily occurance. When people could leave front doors open all night.

I've clearly mentioned this twice previously. The issue here is not personal.
It's not about "Sarah". It's about one standard dropping after another.
The Height, Pre-entrance tests, physical tests, personal presentation, now sexual gender changings which previously would have been unacceptable.

Sure we are seeing the current generation lightening up in many aspects, but with it comes increased corruption, crime and death. All of which just become acceptable in such a society as todays.

I hate the way the education system, promotes equalness, The New Zealand education approach is the opposite to Australias.
In Australia they promote striving ahead, standing out above the rest and winning.
In New Zealand, It is not PC to make one child feel lesser than another, so such behaviour is not promoted in such ways.
Seems to me like a perfect policy for breeding a nation of followers.

[Ixion]

or

1) This labour government is promoting Chinese trade relations.
The government's trade policies is forcing many NZ companies into offshore production. The government makes these decisions themselves and companies are put in a position whereby they participate or face certain company closure.
That is governmental administration directly affecting this countries production and goods distribution.


This would be absolute anathema to a Socialist government. The first Labour government (which was vaguely socialist) made it law that anyone wanting to sell in NZ must manufacture in NZ (more or less - I simplify). No way would a Socialist government allow NZ jobs to be lost overseas.


2) Private Property - How many other countries in the world allow any other nationailty to purchase their land? How many other governments are selling off their national forests/assets to offshore investors? Even the commercial buildings. The way of the future is fast not becoming the 1/4 acre dream.
The private property is infact quickly dissapearing offshore.
When I think of a society in which means of production are owned/controlled by the state, I think how New Zealand companies are forced into Labours asian trade sectors. If the government takes a good third of a companies money in taxes, they as good as own a third.

Socialism has no problem with private property, so long as it is PRIVATE. Your stuff. That doesn't extend to big foreign corporations. So far from a Socialist government allowing foreigners to buy our lands, forests, buildings, they would in fact compulsarily nationalise all those already owned off shore and return them to Kiwi ownership (whether the present "owners" should be compensated is a matter of argument.)



3) Unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
Would that be anything like New Zealands taxpayers receiving no government assisted medical treatment for things like the Herceptin drug.
Whereas the government will pay medical charges for sex changes to non tax paying prisoners?


Your example doesn't seem very relevant. The question of pay in relation to work is not a central tenet of socialism. In general most socialists subscribe to a model that maintains the principle that those who work harder, or whose work is more valuable should be paid more. But consider that such differentials should not be so great as to promote a class society where there are rich and poor. I'm not sure if you approve of pay differentials or not. If someone works overtime , should they not be paid extra? If someone studies to acquire an extra useful skill, should that not be acknowledged?



From the comments you listed, I see a trend towards Socialism. No we are not hardcore, yet. We are defvinately facing down that path now.

We have a government that alters laws at it's own will.
Even alters laws against the will of %80 plus of the nation.
This government is not a government for the people. They're in it for their own profitability.

Your own examples show a government that is certainly NOT socialist. Surely this is manifestly explicit in your own statement "the government --- is in it for their own profitability" . How can that possibly be equated with socialism? It is the direct opposite.

[Dafe]

This would be absolute anathema to a Socialist government. The first Labour government (which was vaguely socialist) made it law that anyone wanting to sell in NZ must manufacture in NZ (more or less - I simplify). No way would a Socialist government allow NZ jobs to be lost overseas.



It is the previous labour governments members that are rubbishing the current labour government.

[xwhatsit]

Considering the fact that my work colleague is very out there and I spend most hours of the day enjoying his company, I'd say you've put the round into the chamber backwards buddy!

I'm speaking standards from 10-20 years ago. When we had a nation that was respectful and proud. When murders & rapes was a rarity not a common daily occurance. When people could leave front doors open all night.

I've clearly mentioned this twice previously. The issue here is not personal.
It's not about "Sarah". It's about one standard dropping after another.
The Height, Pre-entrance tests, physical tests, personal presentation, now sexual gender changings which previously would have been unacceptable.

Sure we are seeing the current generation lightening up in many aspects, but with it comes increased corruption, crime and death. All of which just become acceptable in such a society as todays.

I hate the way the education system, promotes equalness, The New Zealand education approach is the opposite to Australias.
In Australia they promote striving ahead, standing out above the rest and winning.
In New Zealand, It is not PC to make one child feel lesser than another, so such behaviour is not promoted in such ways.
Seems to me like a perfect policy for breeding a nation of followers.

Whoah whoah whoah. No, it is about Sarah. That's where you brought the issue up. I know it's not personal, but you are opposed to sex changes in the police force.

That's quite a bold and antiquated statement to make. Explain your reasoning why sex changes should be banned for police officers.

[Dafe]

Your own examples show a government that is certainly NOT socialist. Surely this is manifestly explicit in your own statement "the government --- is in it for their own profitability" . How can that possibly be equated with socialism? It is the direct opposite.

My statements are that we are looking down a path of socialist ways. I even clearly stated that we are not hardcore socialist. That we are trending the socialist way. That's not to say that the government will suddenly distribute any earnings evenly to you or me. There are simply socialist trends falling into place.

[Dafe]

Whoah whoah whoah. No, it is about Sarah. That's where you brought the issue up. I know it's not personal, but you are opposed to sex changes in the police force.

That's quite a bold and antiquated statement to make. Explain your reasoning why sex changes should be banned for police officers.


This Country is turning to Shit! The Government's SHIT! Now, The Police Force is just plain SHIT!

What ever happened to the New Zealand that constituted assets like pride, dignity, teamwork, loyalty and safety?

It wasn't so long ago that this country was respectable and that the NZ Police force were even respectable.

So where exactly is this Labour Government leading the people of New Zealand?

Now.......... The latest ammendment to our NZ Police,
Sex Changed Police!

http://www.stuff.co.nz//4034779a11.html

I'm sorry - But in my eyes - The NZ Police have just lost all credibility.
I don't care if it's only one individual - Fact is, It's a Police wide lack of standards. To hell with Political Correctness.
Take some pride and have the balls to reject the Freaks! Have some Credibility!

This is from the first post!

See where it says - I don't care if it's only one individual - Fact is, It's a Police wide lack of standards?

Well in this is thread I'm strangely enough discussing the drop in Police standards over the years. As has been everybody else.

Are you taking some sort of personal offence to this thread?

I'm actually more interested in the fact that - The police are under alot of public attention due to many recent sexual allegations.
The next thing I hear is this! What happened to "Rickards stood down!" etc?

[Ixion]

It is the previous labour governments members that are rubbishing the current labour government.

First labour government. 1935. Neither the previous nor the present labour governments were socialist.

[Grahameeboy]

I'm speaking standards from 10-20 years ago. When we had a nation that was respectful and proud. When murders & rapes was a rarity not a common daily occurance. When people could leave front doors open all night.

Are murders / rape a common daily experience? I leave my back door open at night.

I've clearly mentioned this twice previously. The issue here is not personal.
It's not about "Sarah". It's about one standard dropping after another.
The Height, Pre-entrance tests, physical tests, personal presentation, now sexual gender changings which previously would have been unacceptable.

Does not being acceptable 10-20 years ago mean that it should still be unacceptable?

Sure we are seeing the current generation lightening up in many aspects, but with it comes increased corruption, crime and death. All of which just become acceptable in such a society as todays.

Mmmm..corruption, crime and death was a daily sport in the Roman times.....it was acceptable then. Maybe it is just the way of things?

I hate the way the education system, promotes equalness, The New Zealand education approach is the opposite to Australias.
In Australia they promote striving ahead, standing out above the rest and winning.
In New Zealand, It is not PC to make one child feel lesser than another, so such behaviour is not promoted in such ways.
Seems to me like a perfect policy for breeding a nation of followers.

Is equalness standing still?


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[Grahameeboy]

This is from the first post!

See where it says - I don't care if it's only one individual - Fact is, It's a Police wide lack of standards?

Well in this is thread I'm strangely enough discussing the drop in Police standards over the years. As has been everybody else.

Are you taking some sort of personal offence to this thread?

I'm actually more interested in the fact that - The police are under alot of public attention due to many recent sexual allegations.
The next thing I hear is this! What happened to "Rickards stood down!" etc?


Right, now you said standards have dropped compared with 10-20 years ago ......the rape allegations arose during that time, not recently so have standards really dropped?

[Grahameeboy]

I failed 5th form school C English, 6th form English - The school wouldn't permit me to do 7th form.
My 5th form maths teacher fought to prevent me sitting SC Maths because I couldn't better than %20 in my dummy run tests.
I've failed biology, chemistry, french miserably. Too dumb to consider calculous - Couldn't even figure out how to spell it!
I went to polytech, failed that and left early to work as a furniture remover.

And somebody here thinks I'm displaying some form of intellect?

Fook me - There's someone here that's dumber than me!:gob:

Is that the brain drain you were talking about earlier?

[xwhatsit]

This is from the first post!

See where it says - I don't care if it's only one individual - Fact is, It's a Police wide lack of standards?

Well in this is thread I'm strangely enough discussing the drop in Police standards over the years. As has been everybody else.

Are you taking some sort of personal offence to this thread?

I'm actually more interested in the fact that - The police are under alot of public attention due to many recent sexual allegations.
The next thing I hear is this! What happened to "Rickards stood down!" etc?

You haven't answered my question. Explain to me why you think it should be not allowed for a police officer to have a sex change.

[Shadows]

You haven't answered my question. Explain to me why you think it should be not allowed for a police officer to have a sex change.

Because weirdos like that are likely to do depraved things with the doughnuts - and their work mates have to eat the fucking things! That would not be healthy and it would be worthy of an OSH investigation.

[Finn]

Great post Dafe. The repsonses don't surprise me which I guess supports the brain drain problem facing NZ.

[Forest]

I just want to say that I applaud this guy (girl) for going to Thailand and getting the surgery privately.

I'm impressed that he (she) was prepared to put his (her) own money in, rather than relying on the public health system.

[Finn]

I'm impressed that he (she) was prepared to put his (her) own money in, rather than relying on the public health system.

People with cancer can't rely on the public health system either.

[scumdog]

This is from the first post!

See where it says - I don't care if it's only one individual - Fact is, It's a Police wide lack of standards??

What 'standard' has been dropped to let this person into the Police???

As far as I'm concerned I would work alongside 'her', as long as a person can do the job as required I don't care if they're gay, had a gender change or whatever - I don't even need to know about it.

BTW, how DO you find out? - "I say old chap, you had the chop or some sort of Litchfield-lifter or anything?"


OH, and for those concerned about my hypothetical post sex change name?

It would be the same.:yes:

What would YOURS be?

Sheesh, afer the last two lines I see a relegation of this thread to PD - and going by some of the earlier posts it should be there already.

[KLOWN]

aslong as the taxpayers didn't pay for it who gives a fuck. the police force IS turning to shit and the labour government IS to blame but I don't care if the cops a he-she, a transexual, a faggot, a lesbian, a shemale, a cross dresser what the fuck they will still do thier job.

[SixPackBack]

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[limbimtimwim]

or

1) This labour government is promoting Chinese trade relations.
The government's trade policies is forcing many NZ companies into offshore production. The government makes these decisions themselves and companies are put in a position whereby they participate or face certain company closure.
That is governmental administration directly affecting this countries production and goods distribution.Every country on earth is under same pressure. Our labour is, on the global scale, very expensive. You can't blame NZ companies moving production offshore to remain competitive on the labour government.

Would you have them do something to devalue the dollar so much that our motorcycles became impossible to afford but NZ could keep pumping out some manufactured good?

Not saying I agree with it, it's a shame for sure. No, I don't think we should have any trade relations at all with China.

[Grahameeboy]

Every country on earth is under same pressure. Our labour is, on the global scale, very expensive. You can't blame NZ companies moving production offshore to remain competitive on the labour government.

Would you have them do something to devalue the dollar so much that our motorcycles became impossible to afford but NZ could keep pumping out some manufactured good?

Not saying I agree with it, it's a shame for sure. No, I don't think we should have any trade relations at all with China.


So I guess we should not trade with America then........where do you draw the line.

I don't have a major problem with trading with China. It is the Govt not the businesses that is the issue..........I don't believe that buy goods from a Chinese business is saying we support what the Govt are doing.

[Grahameeboy]

People with cancer can't rely on the public health system either.

Yes they can........and consider that cancer is in some cases self inflicted....smokers being a prime example..........which does not help the Health System....

[Finn]

Yes they can........and consider that cancer is in some cases self inflicted....smokers being a prime example..........which does not help the Health System....

No they can't. Believe me.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm not expecting you to understand. Thats the problem with this country.
Too many people have no understanding! and vote Labour.

Exactly - we need to get rid of all the people with little or no understanding - not enough understanding people I reckon...

erm..

hang on a minute...

[Grahameeboy]

No they can't. Believe me.

Geeze boy you are such a pessimist..............maybe you talk from personal experience and I am sorry for that, however, no health system is gonna help everyone.....like the Police cannot etc but some cancers are potentially avoidable.....smoking, skin cancer etc and if less people smoked and did not slap on would this reduce the queues you are referring too? I know it's another debate in itself..........

Before hopsitals it was just down to natural selection.............we are still very lucky.

[Grahameeboy]

Exactly - we need to get rid of all the people with little or no understanding - not enough understanding people I reckon...

erm..

hang on a minute...

Sorry, I don't understand your point.................

[Paul in NZ]

Sorry, I don't understand your point.................


Right - thats you on the list then....:Punk:

[roogazza]

I finally realised we had some half decent cops in this country when I heard about that New Plymouth incident.

Mate, I'd love to shake the hand of that police officer that shot that dude.

Actually, no I wouldn't - In case it's Sarah.

We need alot more hard-line approach. We need a few South African cops in this country.

Yeah we have a few gay ones ! giveus' a kiss , and I'll tell ya who ! Gaz.

[Grahameeboy]

Right - thats you on the list then....:Punk:

Bugger.....................:bye:

[idb]

.....I'm simply proud to be in the minority. ......

Yeah me too.............I want to be in the minority with everyone else!!!

[scumdog]

Can I feel your tits scummella?

Only if you show me your snatch first.

Oh, wait, you ARE one.

Duh.

[Patrick]

I actually couldn't give a hoot if Sarah was my nextdoor neighbour.

However, If the Police Comissioner lived next door, that would be a different story - I'd actually talk to him!

Hmmmm... scared she might wanna jump your bones if you talk to her?????? You may rate yourself a little high there fella...

[Fatjim]

Thats right SBK and Scumdog, go ahead and hijack the thread.

[doc]

Yes they can........and consider that cancer is in some cases self inflicted....smokers being a prime example..........which does not help the Health System....Sorry have to disagree with you on that one. From what I understand. If the taxes on tobacco and liquor, were spent on the problems they caused, the health system, would be a far greater system than we have at present. Sort of like if petrol taxes were spent on the roads etc. What do they do with all these taxes, when we pay so much and have all these problems.

[SixPackBack]

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[Skyryder]

Thats right SBK and Scumdog, go ahead and hijack the thread.



And I'm not doshing out for it's recovery.

Skyryder

[Forest]

Sorry have to disagree with you on that one. From what I understand. If the taxes on tobacco and liquor, were spent on the problems they caused, the health system, would be a far greater system than we have at present. Sort of like if petrol taxes were spent on the roads etc. What do they do with all these taxes, when we pay so much and have all these problems.

That's a common misconception. The taxes collected on alcohol and cigarettes are considerably less than the costs incurred by their consumption.